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Has Trump managed yet to emulate his predecessor ?

Libya once Africas most developed nation now has slave markets.

Come on Donald call yourself a tyrant?

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7 hours ago, jake said:

Has Trump managed yet to emulate his predecessor ?

Libya once Africas most developed nation now has slave markets.

Come on Donald call yourself a tyrant?

:rofl: Bush, Clinton Bush, Reagan. But no you pick the Black guy.

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3 hours ago, ri Alban said:

:rofl: Bush, Clinton Bush, Reagan. But no you pick the Black guy.

Skin colour makes no difference to me .

But you bash on.

Just been reading about Libya.

Some mess it's been left in.

 

 

 

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Sorry Jake, I couldn't resist. ?

 

 

 

 

 

Do you know what I find a bit rich. People saying how the Queen should not have put up with Trump. I can't stand him, but at least he's an elected head of state. Unlike the Windsors.

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JimKongUno
13 hours ago, jake said:

Andrew Neil rips everyone.

 

 

He's a smug prick but he's good at what he does .

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One of the many Democrats running for President was on TV last night, he is a former Marine and saw action in Iraq and Afghanistan. He was asked about the Iran situation and commented Bolton and Trump are like the chickenhawk, he responded, I suppose you can guess who is the hawk and who is the chicken. He then went on about how he and others went on to fight after for their Country, and how Trump did not go because of his bone spurs problem. He compared Trump with John Kennedy who used his fathers money to get a clear medical so he could go to war, and how Trump used his fathers money to avoid going to war. I am sure if Trump continues his macho rhetoric about the U.S. and Iran these points will be raised by many particularly those seeking election.

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Brilliant.

I own the Red Hen restaurant that asked Sarah Sanders to leave. Resistance isn't futile.

 

In more than 4,000 painstakingly typed letters, hastily scrawled postcards, and feces-smeared notebook pages, I was branded a racist, a bigot and a hypocrite. A victim of “Trump Derangement Syndrome.” I was an idiot, or worse, and a lousy manager. Sure, I’d 86’d Sanders, but it was my business that was going down the drain.

 

Yet, as I kept opening the letters, I saw a pattern. For every hateful message, there was one of gratitude. For every angry accusation that our actions were driven by the inability to accept Hillary Clinton’s 2016 loss, there was a note of thanks from someone lamenting Trump’s rollback of protections for marginalized people. What’s more, for every wish that our business die a painful death, there was a dollar bill or a generous check or an order for a gift certificate.

 

When we opened after a 10-day hiatus, our dining room was full. In the following weeks, people who had never been to the Shenandoah Valley traveled out of their way to eat with us. Hundreds of orders for our Red Hen spice blend poured in. And the love spread far beyond our door, as supporters sent thousands of dollars in donations in our honor to our local food pantry, our domestic violence shelter and first responders.


After nearly a year, I’m happy to say that business is still good.

 

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Alabama bans all abortions unless the mother's life is at risk.

This includes products of rape or incest.

Doctors who perform abortions face 10-99 years in jail.

 

The USA is backsliding at an alarming rate.

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2 minutes ago, Cade said:

Alabama bans all abortions unless the mother's life is at risk.

This includes products of rape or incest.

Doctors who perform abortions face 10-99 years in jail.

 

The USA is backsliding at an alarming rate.

This.

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Decending day by day into a conservative religious backwater which is completely out of touch with what a modern progressive forward thinking society should be, instead of America leading the World as an example, it is instead sliding backwards into fear & persecution.

 

In other news I hear Trump is begining to lose the support of American farmers over the tariffs that the Chinese have imposted on American agricultural products, which are begining to really bite the farming industry in America.  Many now openly regret voting for the greatest deal maker in history.

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1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

Decending day by day into a conservative religious backwater which is completely out of touch with what a modern progressive forward thinking society should be, instead of America leading the World as an example, it is instead sliding backwards into fear & persecution.

 

In other news I hear Trump is begining to lose the support of American farmers over the tariffs that the Chinese have imposted on American agricultural products, which are begining to really bite the farming industry in America.  Many now openly regret voting for the greatest deal maker in history.

 

But he has promised the farmers that they will be given money out of the billions the tariffs are going to create.

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17 minutes ago, bobsharp said:

 

But he has promised the farmers that they will be given money out of the billions the tariffs are going to create.

 

He must have forgotten to tell one farmer who when interviewed, said he's expecting to make around about $100,000 loss this year, as he can't sell some of his crops as the Chinese market he did sell to has all but collapsed.

 

Last week Sky News had a report from Washington and a small exclusive bicycle maker who has seen their sales crumble to China as their bikes are too expensive now due to the tariffs, Sky also mentioned that jobs are beginning to leave America for the Far East once again due to the uncompetitiveness of American goods, Sky did not say how many jobs or what sectors they were from, just that jobs are starting to leave America again.

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Not only did he not tell a farmer that, but he is avoiding telling the American people that they will pay the tariffs when their suppliers buy from the Chinese, want example was at least $100 on a washing machine. Steven Colbert showed the list of items to be affected, one was live walruses.

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1 hour ago, bobsharp said:

Not only did he not tell a farmer that, but he is avoiding telling the American people that they will pay the tariffs when their suppliers buy from the Chinese, want example was at least $100 on a washing machine. Steven Colbert showed the list of items to be affected, one was live walruses.

 

Sky News in the Washington report did ask a few randoms on the street if they knew what the trade tariffs would mean for them, not one of them had a clue, not one of them knew that prices of goods in the shops would have to go up as a result of the actions of the greatest deal maker in history.

 

One shop owner they spoke to said that they'd been able to absorb the 10% tariff but if it went up to 25% they would have to pass that on to the consumer, I don't think the American public have a clue what is coming down the line for them, if the GDMH (Greatest Deal Maker in History) & the Chinese don't sort something out, and PDQ as well.

 

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I just had breakfast and turned on the TV to watch Trump speak at the annual Memorial for fallen police officer. It is an occasion for class, and the wrong man was certainly a mistake to be cast for the role. He spoke about the rhetoric of police haters, and criticised them strongly, he should watch his broadcasts and language about Director Wray and the memebrs of the F.B.I who after all are also law enforcement officers and his rhetoric is inciteful to a high degree.

He then of course went on about Corporal Singh and how he had escorted the family of this dead officer in a tour of the Lincoln bedroom, may have been a nice gesture but to then use the mans death as a polictical opportunity to lie again about the wall construction he has achieved and the importance of the wall. I just noted that his sparse comb over is getting as disgusted with his lies and personality and abandoning his head really fast, sorry Donbo you are showing a baldy heid.

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8 hours ago, Cade said:

Alabama bans all abortions unless the mother's life is at risk.

This includes products of rape or incest.

Doctors who perform abortions face 10-99 years in jail.

 

The USA is backsliding at an alarming rate.

 

Not quite the US, but those states that are a little bit backward in their thinking are all racing around trying to pass the most restrictive laws on abortion possible, because they know that they'll get challenged and taken all the way to the supreme court, their hope is that with the Trump appointees being more to the right that Roe v Wade may be overturned.

 

In more forward thinking states, people are horrified by the likes of Alabama and Georgia and their shitkicker, backwards looking ways.  Yesterday, the US News produced their ranking of 50 states (based on quality of life education, infrastructure, healthcare, crime and a whole load more stats).  It will come as no surprise that the bottom 10 are mainly these southern states that instead of investing money in their state spend their time trying to drag the country back into the 1800s

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Jambo-Jimbo
7 minutes ago, Craig Gordons Gloves said:

 

Not quite the US, but those states that are a little bit backward in their thinking are all racing around trying to pass the most restrictive laws on abortion possible, because they know that they'll get challenged and taken all the way to the supreme court, their hope is that with the Trump appointees being more to the right that Roe v Wade may be overturned.

 

In more forward thinking states, people are horrified by the likes of Alabama and Georgia and their shitkicker, backwards looking ways.  Yesterday, the US News produced their ranking of 50 states (based on quality of life education, infrastructure, healthcare, crime and a whole load more stats).  It will come as no surprise that the bottom 10 are mainly these southern states that instead of investing money in their state spend their time trying to drag the country back into the 1800s

 

Would it not be an own goal to challenge these laws, what I mean is that by challenging them you run the severe risk that the supreme court might overturn Roe v Wade, which would effect the whole country and is what the 'backward states' want to happen, so why play their game.

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Just now, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Would it not be an own goal to challenge these laws, what I mean is that by challenging them you run the severe risk that the supreme court might overturn Roe v Wade, which would effect the whole country and is what the 'backward states' want to happen, so why play their game.

 

It's a good question, i guess the challenges should happen because essentially you're ignoring the law.  Also, they should be challenged if only to rein in these states once more.  If it goes unchallenged, then imagine what else they'd come up with. 

 

It's highly unlikely the SC will overturn Roe VS Wade, Louisiana already tried it recently and were told no.

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9 hours ago, Cade said:

Alabama bans all abortions unless the mother's life is at risk.

This includes products of rape or incest.

Doctors who perform abortions face 10-99 years in jail.

 

The USA is backsliding at an alarming rate.

They're almost as strict as Northern Ireland's laws. 

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30 minutes ago, Barack said:

Noticed the two black senators in Alabama voted against it. All the Good 'ol boys, voting for it. Wishing it was a simpler time, like it used to be. As you say.

 

We however, have an archaic Victorian law which possibly is stricter on abortion, than even Alabama's backward thinking leaders.

 

In Nothern Ireland. The Offences Against the Persons Act 1861.

 

If they had been required to put their hand down a toilet bowl to try and get a foetus the result of an unlawful, crochet hook abortion they may think differently about voting against legal, carried out by trained professionals in clinical environment, with safety of the patient in mind type abortions. The sad fact is that for different reasons women are going to seek abortions whether legal or not.  Again it is the inability of particularly men to understand the motivations involved.

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46 minutes ago, bobsharp said:

 

If they had been required to put their hand down a toilet bowl to try and get a foetus the result of an unlawful, crochet hook abortion they may think differently about voting against legal, carried out by trained professionals in clinical environment, with safety of the patient in mind type abortions. The sad fact is that for different reasons women are going to seek abortions whether legal or not.  Again it is the inability of particularly men to understand the motivations involved.

 

There will always be unwanted pregnancies for a wide variety of reasons, and women will always want to end those unwanted pregnancies.

 

For the people who hate women having the choice of ending a pregnancy, the easiest solution it seems to me, is to prevent the pregnancy in the first place. But, incredibly, the ones who are loudest about anti-choice are also loudest in opposing birth control methods.

 

Anyway, this thread is about Trump, so I'll only say one more thing on this subject, and that is that I've met people in the USA who wish that Trump's mother had been more diligent in her birth control regimen. 

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2 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

There will always be unwanted pregnancies for a wide variety of reasons, and women will always want to end those unwanted pregnancies.

 

For the people who hate women having the choice of ending a pregnancy, the easiest solution it seems to me, is to prevent the pregnancy in the first place. But, incredibly, the ones who are loudest about anti-choice are also loudest in opposing birth control methods.

 

Anyway, this thread is about Trump, so I'll only say one more thing on this subject, and that is that I've met people in the USA who wish that Trump's mother had been more diligent in her birth control regimen. 

If this thread is about Trump then everything related to him is viable?

 

So let's talk about abortion?

When do you think one human beings rights supersede another's?

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3 hours ago, bobsharp said:

 

If they had been required to put their hand down a toilet bowl to try and get a foetus the result of an unlawful, crochet hook abortion they may think differently about voting against legal, carried out by trained professionals in clinical environment, with safety of the patient in mind type abortions. The sad fact is that for different reasons women are going to seek abortions whether legal or not.  Again it is the inability of particularly men to understand the motivations involved.

The motivations of men or women seem to outweigh the rights of children in your view Bob.

 

I'm unsure on the whole.

But it's not black and white.

 

Abortion.

It's the putting to death of a human being.

 

Does anyone disagree with that?

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1 hour ago, Cade said:

This law will not stop people getting abortions.

It will just make abortions more dangerous.

Whether people break laws should not be considered .

If you hold human rights to be important then you should hold the most vulnerable as most important.

 

No?

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And the desperation of this thread is astounding.

It's like double speak.

Liberals arguing that the most vulnerable have the least rights.

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King Of The Cat Cafe
12 minutes ago, jake said:

The motivations of men or women seem to outweigh the rights of children in your view Bob.

 

I'm unsure on the whole.

But it's not black and white.

 

Abortion.

It's the putting to death of a human being.

 

Does anyone disagree with that?

 

Yes.

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Maple Leaf
38 minutes ago, jake said:

If this thread is about Trump then everything related to him is viable?

 

So let's talk about abortion?

When do you think one human beings rights supersede another's?

 

Never.

And you're smart enough to know that the abortion question is not as simple as that, otherwise it wouldn't be a contentious issue.

 

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Maple Leaf
37 minutes ago, jake said:

The motivations of men or women seem to outweigh the rights of children in your view Bob.

 

I'm unsure on the whole.

But it's not black and white.

 

Abortion.

It's the putting to death of a human being.

 

Does anyone disagree with that?

 

Yes. Hundreds of millions of people disagree with that, including me.

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So if those who agree with abortion agree on scientific findings.

Do they agree with the death penalty?

 

There is no validation for killing a human being except for self defence.

And maybe retribution.

 

Because if you abort you kill.

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Scientific fact and not religious far right extremists such as those in the Christian belt of the US or the neo nazi muslims of the middle east show the suffering of aborted children.

 

Scientifically proven fact.

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Maple Leaf
4 minutes ago, jake said:

So if those who agree with abortion agree on scientific findings.

Do they agree with the death penalty?

 

There is no validation for killing a human being except for self defence.

And maybe retribution.

 

Because if you abort you kill.

 

There are at least two logical fallacies in that post, so you'll understand why I won't attempt to give you a reasoned response.

 

I'm sure you know what those fallacies are.

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Maple Leaf
5 minutes ago, jake said:

Scientific fact and not religious far right extremists such as those in the Christian belt of the US or the neo nazi muslims of the middle east show the suffering of aborted children.

 

Scientifically proven fact.

 

I don't understand your point, but if it's a scientifically proven fact, it should be easy for you to provide the evidence for your claim.

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5 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

There are at least two logical fallacies in that post, so you'll understand why I won't attempt to give you a reasoned response.

 

I'm sure you know what those fallacies are.

Do you agree with killing someone in self defence?

Do you agree with killing someone for revenge?

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4 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

I don't understand your point, but if it's a scientifically proven fact, it should be easy for you to provide the evidence for your claim.

Scientific fact proves the formation of many things in the foetus.

Its beyond me in these times how anyone can advocate abortion.

 

Can you show me which age a human being stops receiving human rights?

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Maple Leaf
2 minutes ago, jake said:

Do you agree with killing someone in self defence?

Do you agree with killing someone for revenge?

I don't agree with killing someone in self-defence, but I agree that it's acceptable for a person to defend himself.

 

Second question, No.

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1 minute ago, Maple Leaf said:

I don't agree with killing someone in self-defence, but I agree that it's acceptable for a person to defend himself.

 

Second question, No.

Do you agree with killing someone because its convenient?

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Maple Leaf
2 minutes ago, jake said:

Scientific fact proves the formation of many things in the foetus.

Its beyond me in these times how anyone can advocate abortion.

 

Can you show me which age a human being stops receiving human rights?

 

This is the part of your post I don't understand, and your reply doesn't make it clearer:

 

" ... religious far right extremists such as those in the Christian belt of the US or the neo nazi muslims of the middle east show the suffering of aborted children."

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2 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

This is the part of your post I don't understand, and your reply doesn't make it clearer:

 

" ... religious far right extremists such as those in the Christian belt of the US or the neo nazi muslims of the middle east show the suffering of aborted children."

Both neo fascist religions do have points.

Regardless of our own prejudice (mines I suppose being perceived as anti Muslim).

Religion imo can offer a view that is legitimate.

 

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Maple Leaf
2 minutes ago, jake said:

Do you agree with killing someone because its convenient?

No.

 

I know where you're going with this series of questions, and I can tell you that you're leading yourself into a logical dead-end. It's the tired argument of people who have an inflexible position on the subject.

 

You've mentioned the phrase 'scientific fact' a couple of times. Do you wish to discuss the scientific fact of a zygote? 

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12 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

No.

 

I know where you're going with this series of questions, and I can tell you that you're leading yourself into a logical dead-end. It's the tired argument of people who have an inflexible position on the subject.

 

You've mentioned the phrase 'scientific fact' a couple of times. Do you wish to discuss the scientific fact of a zygote? 

Yes .

Do you wish to discuss the feelings of a foetus?

 

I am not religious.

I think I'm as feminist as any man can be.

But it's a bit of a fek up when killing children is viewed as liberal.

No?

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Perhaps Jake might like to start a new thread on this subject rather than continue it here in the Trump thread.

 

It is certainly a topic that's ripe for debate and a dedicated thread will do it more justice.

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2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Perhaps Jake might like to start a new thread on this subject rather than continue it here in the Trump thread.

 

It is certainly a topic that's ripe for debate and a dedicated thread will do it more justice.

True.

But I think best not.

Although to be fair it was used by others first to make political points so maybe ask them.

 

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17 minutes ago, jake said:

And not surprisingly the question is not asked.

 

 

Are you talking to me?

 

I think it was obvious when I made the suggestion, and then you mentioned other posters, that the idea of creating a new thread also extended to them. What did you want me to do, actually pose another question and say pretty please?

 

Christ man, I wasn't referring to you in particular to have a go at you or anything. I just thought that you were quite keen to debate the topic and thought that you could get a much better debate with folk about the subject if it were in a thread of its own. Which you would. It could be a very interesting debate.

 

 

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Maple Leaf
34 minutes ago, jake said:

Yes .

Do you wish to discuss the feelings of a foetus?

 

I am not religious.

I think I'm as feminist as any man can be.

But it's a bit of a fek up when killing children is viewed as liberal.

No?

 

If you're anti-abortion then that is impossible.

 

When did 'feelings' come into the discussion? And I'll be happy to learn about the feelings of a foetus when you are willing to discuss the feelings of a zygote, or a blastocyst or an embryo. 

 

Whether you agree or not, this is a not a discussion about Donald Trump, so we're off-topic.  Please feel free to start a thread on abortion.

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6 hours ago, jake said:

The motivations of men or women seem to outweigh the rights of children in your view Bob.

 

I'm unsure on the whole.

But it's not black and white.

 

Abortion.

It's the putting to death of a human being.

 

Does anyone disagree with that?

 

I have just got home after a lovely day in my old hometown of Osoyoos, I went there to meet a former Scots Guardsman whom I have never met but in the spirit of guardsmanship brought me from Scotland a Scots Guards Veteran ball cap. And this is the type of thing that I have experienced in my life great pleasure, and also the tragedy such as abortion on life. I think you are judging me on less than full facts, from my first sudden death as a police officer and the many that followed I have always had a respect for all life before birth or after. I am not as you suggest swayed one way or the other by the motivations of men and women, but I do know that they will be motivated by doing what they believe is best for them, and to this I refer to my original post, if it has to be done have it done clinically, not in a bedroom with some old crone sticking a foreign object into the victim and possibly killing her and the human to be. ts

 

Abortion is not simple, it is cruel to the potential mother and the unborn child, however in life there are decisions that have to be made, and the simplest one in the equation is am I ready to be a mother, if the answer is no then something has to be done, I have seen babies abandoned after birth, some adopted, but way more and way to many who were brought into the world and treated for their whole life like effluent, to be honest death may have been a mercy, harsh but true.                                                                                              

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