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3 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

Has Biden caught him in Pennsylvania ? 

 

No, but it will be close.  Biden is behind by 187,000.  There are 860,000 votes to be counted.  Biden needs 61% of those to win.  About half of those votes are in area in either Pittsburgh or Philadelphia where he is currently scoring between 58 and 79%.  That might be enough, though personally I think it won't.

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15 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

I calculated 464K, and I saw 400K in a report on ABC News a couple of minutes ago.  Any idea where they're from or if they're on the day or absentee ballots?

 

Also, in PA, it's being reported that the biggest blocks of votes to be counted are from Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, and are likely to break heavily for the Democrats, but I have no idea how accurate that is.


Not sure on Arizona, just know they’re expected to break towards Trump.

 

Right now Pennsylvania seems the best bet for Biden to get over the line with some knowledgeable people thinking it could end up Biden +2 in the end.


Still not a done deal.

 

 

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Biden is now 37,400 behind in Georgia, with about 255,000 left to count.  He needs those to break 57-43 in his favour.  A tall order, but it's not over yet.

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13 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

Biden is now 37,400 behind in Georgia, with about 255,000 left to count.  He needs those to break 57-43 in his favour.  A tall order, but it's not over yet.

 

That's according to ABC.  But now NBC reporting that there's only about 100K to count, in which case you can scrap the above.

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3 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

That's according to ABC.  But now NBC reporting that there's only about 100K to count, in which case you can scrap the above.

 

Yup, Guardian has 100k too. 31,306 margin.

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10 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Yup, Guardian has 100k too. 31,306 margin.

 

My guess before I go to bed.  Trump by 17,000.  I also think he'll just hold his lead in PA.  And don't forget that AZ is back in play.  :peepwall:

 

Now I'm away.  :byebye:

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When you watch the advertisements on the US channels through the firestick, it doesn't surprise me that Trump Polls so well. It's off the scale and if that happens here you'd be like. 

:wtf:

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Just now, ri Alban said:

When you watch the advertisements on the US channels through the firestick, it doesn't surprise me that Trump Polls so well. It's off the scale and if that happened here you'd be like. 

:wtf:

 

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20 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

So is Arizona going Red now.Just read on Twitter it is swing Trump's way

No chance. 

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Just now, ri Alban said:

No chance. 

I should stay away from Twitter Biden has already won it.

 

Was at work with no news and had a look on Twitter and it is just folk on the wind up 

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8 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

I should stay away from Twitter Biden has already won it.

 

Was at work with no news and had a look on Twitter and it is just folk on the wind up 

Trump was 60% in the last phase, but it's now into Democrat territory.

Georgia is down to 20 odd thousand and closing, but I don't think it'll flip. 

 

Pen(Yes, I can't spell it :D) state hopefully won't be needed. 

 

 

 

And a wee message from the Green bay area for Donald. 

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A bit of a novice question but I switched of from it last night at the back of 9 thinking Biden had it, turned back on today and don't seem so sure has Trump come back into it ? (may never have been out of it )

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4 hours ago, Justin Z said:

 

350+, winning Texas by at least 2%.

Such a shame that Sanders wasn't the candidate. He could have been the man to bring America back to some sort of sanity and would have been a huge force for peace in Palestine. I also agree that he would have wiped the floor with trump in the debates while Biden hardly laid a glove on that idiot. But they are where they are, the only real hope is Biden is only there as a space filler until a decent candidate comes forward for 4 years time

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27 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Such a shame that Sanders wasn't the candidate. He could have been the man to bring America back to some sort of sanity and would have been a huge force for peace in Palestine. I also agree that he would have wiped the floor with trump in the debates while Biden hardly laid a glove on that idiot. But they are where they are, the only real hope is Biden is only there as a space filler until a decent candidate comes forward for 4 years time

His VP will be up on 8 years, if not him. 

Give them a chance before you condemn them. 

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29 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Such a shame that Sanders wasn't the candidate. He could have been the man to bring America back to some sort of sanity and would have been a huge force for peace in Palestine. I also agree that he would have wiped the floor with trump in the debates while Biden hardly laid a glove on that idiot. But they are where they are, the only real hope is Biden is only there as a space filler until a decent candidate comes forward for 4 years time


Not a chance Sanders would have beaten trump. Too many in America are scared of socialism, for some reason 

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1 hour ago, XB52 said:

Such a shame that Sanders wasn't the candidate. He could have been the man to bring America back to some sort of sanity and would have been a huge force for peace in Palestine. I also agree that he would have wiped the floor with trump in the debates while Biden hardly laid a glove on that idiot. But they are where they are, the only real hope is Biden is only there as a space filler until a decent candidate comes forward for 4 years time


I don’t understand this thinking behind Bernie winning easily. He’s the UK version of Corbyn. What kind of sanity? Marching around the world ****ing shit up? 
 

In such a polarised political scene the debates were pointless as everyone had made up their minds. 
 

The Democrats desperately need to take a look at themselves and understand voters needs. 

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1 minute ago, steve123 said:

Expert on CNN saying he expects the later batches to come in will be less Republican.


 

FTFY.

 

Expect a further narrowing but whether it’s enough we’ll need to wait and see.

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2 minutes ago, And he’s not praying! said:


 

FTFY.

 

Expect a further narrowing but whether it’s enough we’ll need to wait and see.

yea it is going to be tight thats for sure.

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50 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

Respect for these people sitting there counting. Must be tedious.
 

 

 

Imagine counting the Pennsylvania vote only for Trump to request a recount. You'd cry

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7 hours ago, JFK-1 said:

The Republicans post Trump may strive to be as little like him as possible. The majority may attempt to present themselves as having always been opposed to him.

 

You're already seeing it happening with Republicans' responses to his "stop counting" rants. The likes of McConnell wouldn't have spoke out against his conspiracy rants like that a couple of days ago. His getting re-elected and seeing the writing on the wall for Trump means he, and others, are setting themselves up for the post-Trump era.

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17 minutes ago, Gone said:

 

Imagine counting the Pennsylvania vote only for Trump to request a recount. You'd cry

 

Nothing new, he's been making millions cry for years. Time for him to weep. CNN think Biden may take Georgia. That would see him tearing out his combover and turning a brighter shade of orange.

 

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3 minutes ago, fancy a brew said:

Fox news has called Arizona for Trump, but it might have been premature as they didn't take the angels from Africa into account.

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Not play out to the end when she says

 

'The angels from Africa and South America and God himself says the sound of victory will be confirmed by sending money to.........we need at least 10 million dollars'

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Maybe America has given up being an example or leader to the world.

 

Every despot in the world from Egypt to Belarus and Iran to Russia will love Trump saying there is voter fraud. 

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Right, so what did we miss overnight?

Alt-right, armed militia have been marching in the streets in cities around the country, and they forced their way into vote-counting centres in Michigan and Arizona, causing one in Arizona to be evacuated?

 

And what's that? After an entire summer of 90+% peaceful protests (with most that turned violent thanks to white supremacist agitation) being constantly assaulted by mitilarised cops with tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets and batons, the police stood around and watched while they stormed these buildings, never made a move towards any of these folks, and there have been zero reported arrests for these incidents? The president didn't send any federal shock troops to any of these demonstrations, either, including the one where they attempted to storm a government building, and instead is planning to send armed guards to observe vote counting?

 

So what you're saying is it was just yet another typical night in America then. Got it.

 

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3 hours ago, XB52 said:

Such a shame that Sanders wasn't the candidate. He could have been the man to bring America back to some sort of sanity and would have been a huge force for peace in Palestine. I also agree that he would have wiped the floor with trump in the debates while Biden hardly laid a glove on that idiot. But they are where they are, the only real hope is Biden is only there as a space filler until a decent candidate comes forward for 4 years time

Very true . Sanders is a great politician but “ too left “ for many Americans that stomach . 

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16 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

Right, so what did we miss overnight?

Alt-right, armed militia have been marching in the streets in cities around the country, and they forced their way into vote-counting centres in Michigan and Arizona, causing one in Arizona to be evacuated?

 

And what's that? After an entire summer of 90+% peaceful protests (with most that turned violent thanks to white supremacist agitation) being constantly assaulted by mitilarised cops with tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets and batons, the police stood around and watched while they stormed these buildings, never made a move towards any of these folks, and there have been zero reported arrests for these incidents? The president didn't send any federal shock troops to any of these demonstrations, either, including the one where they attempted to storm a government building, and instead is planning to send armed guards to observe vote counting?

 

So what you're saying is it was just yet another typical night in America then. Got it.

 

 

Am I right in reading you're back in chilly Jockland, JZ?

 

You should just forget about America, mate. All this fretting and rustling of your own jimmies isn't healthy. You'll do yourself a mischief. Just accept that your former homeland is dead to you now and move on.

 

Let go of your anger. Adopt the ostrich approach. Engage in a hearty dose of cognitive dissonance. Drink whisky and strong domestc ale. The world will still be a shitshow but you'll feel a whole lot better 

 

 

Edit. And pump bursds with big chebs and sloppy ladyboxes.

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1 hour ago, Des Lynam said:


I don’t understand this thinking behind Bernie winning easily. He’s the UK version of Corbyn. What kind of sanity? Marching around the world ****ing shit up?

 

These are two different countries you're talking about. No one in America is the UK version of anything.

1 hour ago, Des Lynam said:

In such a polarised political scene the debates were pointless as everyone had made up their minds.

 

No, they had not. The largest voting bloc in the US remains independents, not registered to either major party.

 

1 hour ago, Des Lynam said:

The Democrats desperately need to take a look at themselves and understand voters needs. 

 

This is absolutely spot on. They haven't done that for decades.

 

2 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Not a chance Sanders would have beaten trump. Too many in America are scared of socialism, for some reason 

 

100% chance, and Trump and the right-wing media branded Biden a socialist anyway.

 

Meanwhile, Florida which voted Trump voted for a $15 minimum wage, blood-red Republican Mississippi legalised marijuana, Colorado approved paid family leave, passing even in some counties that voted heavily for Trump. 89% of candidates backed by the Democratic Socialists of America won their races. 72% of people in a Fox News poll reported they were in favour of government-run healthcare.

 

Basically, any policy Sanders championed, if it got put to a vote during the same election people were voting for Trump, the policy won. Even where people voted for Trump.

 

Bernie would have strolled this.

 

3 hours ago, XB52 said:

Such a shame that Sanders wasn't the candidate. But they are where they are, the only real hope is Biden is only there as a space filler until a decent candidate comes forward for 4 years time

 

I am 100% sure the only lesson the Democrats have learned from all this, despite all the evidence, is that they need to move even further right—whilst already being further right than the GOP were under Reagan.

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Just now, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Am I right in reading you're back in chilly Jockland, JZ?

 

You should just forget about America, mate. All this fretting and rustling of your own jimmies isn't healthy. You'll do yourself a mischief. Just accept that your former homeland is dead to you now and move on.

 

Let go of your anger. Adopt the ostrich approach. Engage in a hearty dose of cognitive dissonance. Drink whisky and strong domestc ale. The world will still be a shitshow but you'll feel a whole lot better 

 

I am, and chilly Jockland is suiting me just fine. :biggrin2:

 

You are of course right, pal, especially the ostrich part. Maybe I'll find the zen to do that. Really, really doubt it. :thumbsup: At least until I've firmed up a place here permanently.

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3 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Reckon any of the States are holding out, Nelmsdee style, to be the one to announce and be the one that tips either guy over 270 ECVs?

 

It backfires on traditionally Republican states to be the one to do this. 

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4 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

I am 100% sure the only lesson the Democrats have learned from all this, despite all the evidence, is that they need to move even further right—whilst already being further right than the GOP were under Reagan.

 

The main lesson is the longstanding one of reaching out to all communities. Feet on the ground everywhere. Something the Trump campaign has done better probably helping explain a better than expected result. 

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8 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

These are two different countries you're talking about. No one in America is the UK version of anything.

 

No, they had not. The largest voting bloc in the US remains independents, not registered to either major party.

 

 

This is absolutely spot on. They haven't done that for decades.

 

 

100% chance, and Trump and the right-wing media branded Biden a socialist anyway.

 

Meanwhile, Florida which voted Trump voted for a $15 minimum wage, blood-red Republican Mississippi legalised marijuana, Colorado approved paid family leave, passing even in some counties that voted heavily for Trump. 89% of candidates backed by the Democratic Socialists of America won their races. 72% of people in a Fox News poll reported they were in favour of government-run healthcare.

 

Basically, any policy Sanders championed, if it got put to a vote during the same election people were voting for Trump, the policy won. Even where people voted for Trump.

 

Bernie would have strolled this.

 

 

I am 100% sure the only lesson the Democrats have learned from all this, despite all the evidence, is that they need to move even further right—whilst already being further right than the GOP were under Reagan.


Interesting thoughts and worth taking on board. I don’t agree though. I think Trump would have beaten him.

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