Cade Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 A few days ago, 44 Indian Army personnel were killed in a suicide bomb attack in the Indian controlled portion of Kashmir. India has openly blamed Pakistan for the attack and is ramping up the rhetoric. Both nations have recalled their ambassadors to each other. Both nations are deploying more troops to the region and have ramped up security measures. India has also removed the security details from the Kashmir nationalist separatist leaders. Could we see yet another war between India and Pakistan? Indian general election is due this year between april/may. Imran Khan has only just been elected as Pakistan PM and may want to stamp his authority on the nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 A no deal Brexit, two potential trading partners at war. What could possibly go wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, All roads lead to Gorgie said: A no deal Brexit, two potential trading partners at war. What could possibly go wrong! Not to mention nuclear armed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: Not to mention nuclear armed. There has been plenty bluff and bluster between the two in the past but you never know. Perish the thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 more Indian troops killed last night in a gun battle as they tried to apprehend the cell responsible for the convoy bombing. This could get out of hand very quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better call Saul Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Why can't hey just be friends like we are with our neighbours !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 India now diverting rivers and pushing ahead with dam building projects to deny Pakistan access to water in the region, in defiance of a 1960 treaty to share water from the Indus river. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 18/02/2019 at 13:20, Ferris Bueller said: Why can't hey just be friends like we are with our neighbours !! Both of them want to concentrate on the poverty areas in their nations, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Harry Potter said: Both of them want to concentrate on the poverty areas in their nations, Spot on, Potter. For all of the good stuff that comes out of the sub continent, the grinding poverty of millions of it's inhabitants remains, unfortunately, one of it's defining features. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 Same logic says that the UK should be combating record levels of child poverty and food bank use rather than building aircraft carriers and new nukes but hey ho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 27 minutes ago, Cade said: Same logic says that the UK should be combating record levels of child poverty and food bank use rather than building aircraft carriers and new nukes but hey ho Our arms industry is a massive exporter and revenue generator. A huge contributor to our engineering and shipbuilding industry. We bomb other folks kids to feed our own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 59 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Our arms industry is a massive exporter and revenue generator. A huge contributor to our engineering and shipbuilding industry. We bomb other folks kids to feed our own. That’s the dilemma for us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 We won't hear about it after Brexit. The internet and TV will be aff due to no electricity. So don't worry, chaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said: Spot on, Potter. For all of the good stuff that comes out of the sub continent, the grinding poverty of millions of it's inhabitants remains, unfortunately, one of it's defining features. Maybe we should give them some of their wealth back. Who partitioned India again. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 45 minutes ago, Gorgiewave said: We won't hear about it after Brexit. The internet and TV will be aff due to no electricity. So don't worry, chaps. Must be a huge worry for Spain- that when the UK govt cuts of the Hispanic subsidy, Spain can no longer afford electricity and the likes. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Must be a huge worry for Spain- that when the UK govt cuts of the Hispanic subsidy, Spain can no longer afford electricity and the likes. Good luck! Anything is possible in the EU. Nothing is possible outside it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 46 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Maybe we should give them some of their wealth back. Who partitioned India again. ? We? Were you there? I wasn't. I also don't have any of their wealth, although I wouldn't mind some of it. Those nukes and space programs can't come cheap. Jinnah and Nehru were complicit in the disaster that was partition too. And don't get me started on that Saville Gandhi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 The British Empire unified all of India (for better or worse), provided a common language, standardised laws and built some astounding infrastructure along the way. But we did steal vast amounts of wealth, destroyed thousands of years of laws and traditions, brutally suppressed the people and made a total erse of the partition/independence thing. So, as with every post-colonial nations, it's swings and roundabouts. Indian space programme IS cheap. They got a probe to Mars for a total of $73million USD. Their entire space programme only has a budget of $1.2billion. The government owned semi-private space agency has an annual turnover of around $260 million, and growing each year, so the space programme will pay for itself eventually. Poverty in India is falling sharply as the nation modernises and GDP continues to rocket. During the colonial era, tens of millions of Indians died or starvation and poverty so we can't take any kind of moral high ground on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cade said: The British Empire unified all of India (for better or worse), provided a common language, standardised laws and built some astounding infrastructure along the way. But we did steal vast amounts of wealth, destroyed thousands of years of laws and traditions, brutally suppressed the people and made a total erse of the partition/independence thing. So, as with every post-colonial nations, it's swings and roundabouts. Indian space programme IS cheap. They got a probe to Mars for a total of $73million USD. Their entire space programme only has a budget of $1.2billion. The government owned semi-private space agency has an annual turnover of around $260 million, and growing each year, so the space programme will pay for itself eventually. Poverty in India is falling sharply as the nation modernises and GDP continues to rocket. During the colonial era, tens of millions of Indians died or starvation and poverty so we can't take any kind of moral high ground on this one. Free trade there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Cade said: During the colonial era, tens of millions of Indians died or starvation and poverty so we can't take any kind of moral high ground on this one. Our own country wasn't much fun for the underclasses during the colonial era either. I'm also aware that there's no moral high ground to be taken in this sorry affair, but it does tickle me how ri ausseh can't help shoehorning a Britain bashing angle into at least one post per thread. Lovable scamp that he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 26, 2019 Author Share Posted February 26, 2019 India launches overnight air strikes over the border, sending 12 mirage jets to bomb what it claims were militant training camps. Pakistan says they chased the aircraft off only 4 miles over the border and that they dumped their payload in an unoccupied forest. This is the first aerial bombing operation since the 1971 Indian/Pakistan war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Make <insert your choice of country here> Great Again! And so this petty squabbling human race of ours continues on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cade Posted February 26, 2019 Author Share Posted February 26, 2019 Reports coming through of Indian and Pakistani ground troops exchanging fire in several places along the disputed Kashmir border(s). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 On 18/02/2019 at 11:21, AlphonseCapone said: Not to mention nuclear armed. Free movement, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) Anyway, back to the Kashmir crisis and the sabre-rattling that hopefully will stay just that, although I imagine there will be some limited casualties on both sides before common sense prevails. In the old days, the major powers would be purposefully working behind the scenes talking to both countries, getting them to calm the heck down, but I'm not sure that sort of behind-the-scenes diplomacy is afforded the same importance these days. Edited February 27, 2019 by redjambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 minute ago, redjambo said: That's really kind of you BoD but I'm a lone wolf at heart. Unless you really need a friend of course. Anyway, back to the Kashmir crisis and the sabre-rattling that hopefully will stay just that, although I imagine there will be some limited casualties on both sides before common sense prevails. In the old days, the major powers would be purposefully working behind the scenes talking to both countries, getting them to calm the heck down, but I'm not sure that sort of behind-the-scenes diplomacy is afforded the same importance these days. Seems those days are long in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Re diplomacy... I'm sure the major nations in the region, China, Russia, will be keeping a very keen eye on this situation, especially as we have a nuclear scenario. I love India, have been several times to different places, Chennai, Kochi and all over Goa. The people are wonderful. The crushing levels of poverty are somewhat difficult to witness though. I once asked a very mild mannered Indian gent his opinion of Pakistan. Not one word of it is fit to type here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab87 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Escalating further. Pakistan claims to have shot down an IAF jet, and has a pilot in custody. All airspace over Pakistan closed to commercial traffic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, Rab87 said: Escalating further. Pakistan claims to have shot down an IAF jet, and has a pilot in custody. All airspace over Pakistan closed to commercial traffic. Deffo a sensible move closing the airspace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William H. Bonney Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 34 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: Deffo a sensible move closing the airspace. Bit shite for the birds though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, Dino Velvet said: Bit shite for the birds though. more amusing than it should have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab87 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Quote INDIA CONFIRMS FIGHTER JET LOST AFTER BATTLE WITH PAK AIRCRAFT, PILOT MISSING -- FOREIGN MINISTRY SPOKESMAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Pakistan convening their Nuclear Command Authority. Duck and cover, chaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 I read this novel a few years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Fire_(novel) Eek...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Салатные палочки Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Interestingly there was a programme on the new BBC Scotland last night about David Robertson who is currently the manager of Real Kashmir FC and is basically living and coaching in a war zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Salad Fingers said: Interestingly there was a programme on the new BBC Scotland last night about David Robertson who is currently the manager of Real Kashmir FC and is basically living and coaching in a war zone. Reminds him of his time in Govan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 Pakistan shoots down two Indian jets, claims it has captured both pilots. One pilot has certainly been captured as he appeared on TV. India also shot down a Pakistani jet during the dogfight. That's quite an escalation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab87 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 36 minutes ago, Cade said: Pakistan shoots down two Indian jets, claims it has captured both pilots. One pilot has certainly been captured as he appeared on TV. India also shot down a Pakistani jet during the dogfight. That's quite an escalation. It also provides a path to de-escalation, Pakistan have quite a bit of leverage now. However, it could easily go the other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 2, 2019 Author Share Posted March 2, 2019 Both sides are shelling villages on opposite sides of the border the border with artillery now. 2 Pakistani soldiers and at least 6 civilians (2 Pakistani, 4 Indian) confirmed dead so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 On 27/02/2019 at 07:01, Rab87 said: It also provides a path to de-escalation, Pakistan have quite a bit of leverage now. However, it could easily go the other way. Indian pilot released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 5, 2019 Author Share Posted March 5, 2019 Pakistan intercepts and chases off an Indian submarine. Sporadic shelling and gunfire across the border is still ongoing too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 6, 2019 Author Share Posted March 6, 2019 Indian opposition release satellite image showing that the militant camp that the Indian government claimed had been destroyed by their bombing run is, in fact, intact and undamaged. Trying to embarrass the government in the run up to the Indian General Election in a month's time? Will the Indian Government be provoked into launching another attack to make sure they hit the target this time? Will this then further increase the violence in the region? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted August 5, 2019 Author Share Posted August 5, 2019 (edited) India moving to abolish the act giving the Kashmir region autonomy and formally annexe it, splitting it into a couple of smaller provinces. 8,000 extra troops have been brought into the region and Kashmiri government politicians have all been placed under house arrest. Internet and phone lines have been cut, schools closed and tourists and pilgrims evacuated. Edited August 5, 2019 by Cade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 Pray for David Robertson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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