part_time_jambo Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Kilmarnock and Hibs both criticising the review system this week. Hearts have done it recently too, and Aberdeen and Rangers when it suits them. There is obviously something wrong with the system that needs addressed. It appears to be too selective in what incidents are picked for review, leaving it open to accusations of bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Agreed. Corrupt. No transparency at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Perfect system for deflecting away criticism from the diabolical refereeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Artful Dodger said: Perfect system for deflecting away criticism from the diabolical and bent refereeing. Slight amendment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 one good thing about what dempster has said is the bit about trial by sportscene “Trial by Sportscene? Absolutely, no one is going to convince me otherwise. That is exactly what it is, as well as still photography Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Like every other possible innovation, VAR, fourth officials, assistants behind the goal, panels, compliance officers, appeals etc, etc, etc... it’s completely pointless until the referees can be trusted to officiate every game without fear nor favour. These are all good innovations but if they are applied to a biased, corrupt or incompetent system, then they aren’t going to change anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Corrupt to the core and not even trying to hide it. Only one team benefits and that is Celtic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Compliance officer? Another name for being fecked over by the GBC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynecastle Valhalla Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 GLASGOW scum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 With no evidence to back myself up, I don't see it as a problem with the compliance officer, I see it is a problem with the panel which they use to review the incidents once they have been referred by the compliance officer. It should consist of professional referees or referee supervisors of high standing from outside this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) The laws of the game should be getting applied correctly and consistently at each game, by the referee and linesmen appointed. The requirement for a compliance officer is an open admission that the referees/linesmen being appointed can't or won't apply the rules correctly and consistently. Every time the compliance officer has to take action it means the referee and his assistants failed to apply the laws of the game and it is they that should be punished/removed. If, however, it is determined that the compliance officer only became involved because of pressure from one of the OF then is the point to say football should be wound up as a sport. Edited February 16, 2019 by portobellojambo1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, redjambo said: With no evidence to back myself up, I don't see it as a problem with the compliance officer, I see it is a problem with the panel which they use to review the incidents once they have been referred by the compliance officer. It should consist of professional referees or referee supervisors of high standing from outside this country. If the Referee does his job properly then there is no reason to review anything. Edited February 16, 2019 by Artful Dodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Just now, Artful Dodger said: If the Referee does his job properly and there is no reason to review anything. Even the best referees can't see everything and make mistakes. There's always room for retrospective action on incorrect or missed decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, redjambo said: Even the best referees can't see everything and make mistakes. There's always room for retrospective action on incorrect or missed decisions. That's why they have linesman, nobody has a problem with the odd mistake. We're not taking about the odd mistake here, we're taking about nearly every game in the SPFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Artful Dodger said: That's why they have linesman, nobody has a problem with the odd mistake. We're not taking about the odd mistake here, we're taking about nearly every game in the SPFL. That's why we need professional referees and VAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, redjambo said: That's why we need professional referees and VAR. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Artful Dodger said: Agreed. Damn, I was hoping for a good argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 I like the idea of the compliance officer, the problem is that it seems totally random what incidents get brought up. As others said, trial by sportscene seems to be the norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 58 minutes ago, Homme said: Corrupt to the core and not even trying to hide it. Only one team benefits and that is Celtic. Simply not true. This is about both sides of the old firm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWL Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 It will stay simply because it benefits both halves of the Old Firm. Just look at the blatant inconsistencies; Naismith boots Brown in the knackers, 2 game ban, Morelos boots Brown in the knackers (along with another couple of kick outs), no action taken. They don't even try to hide it and we have no avenue for any questioning of the failure to apply the same rules to each particular incident. If Craig says anything, he is hit with a ban, meanwhile other managers allude to the flaws in the procedure without actually mentioning any specific incident. We really need a decent journalist to step up to the mark and get a hold of whichever suit is in charge at the SFA these days and lay before him the obvious differences in the way each incident is treated. Unfortunately, as the MSM are so far up the Old Firms sphincter (apart from maybe Tom English), there is more chance of doing origami with fecking clingfilm than this happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 hour ago, redjambo said: With no evidence to back myself up, I don't see it as a problem with the compliance officer, I see it is a problem with the panel which they use to review the incidents once they have been referred by the compliance officer. It should consist of professional referees or referee supervisors of high standing from outside this country. Its horribly self-policing so we just sit here suspecting its made up of old firm lackeys. 1 hour ago, XB52 said: I like the idea of the compliance officer, the problem is that it seems totally random what incidents get brought up. As others said, trial by sportscene seems to be the norm. The number of times serious incidents are ignored entirely only to focus on something more innocuous rips my knitting. That show feels little more than part of the same system, which is Glasgow and old firm favouring at every turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave Hearts Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Root cause of the problem is that referees do not referee the game to the rules. They appear to interpret the rules to suit their own views/perspective. This creates inconsistencies in their decision making and causes them to be lenient on certain players/teams and pernickety on giving fouls against other players/teams. Example of this is how Morales plays the game and get away with offences, and how Uche is treated such as he slips and ref gives a foul against him or a defender has both arms around him and foul given to defender cause he can’t stop Uche. If referees applied the rules correctly and consistently, then there would be no need for post game refereeing. The root cause and fault of current crisis has solely been created by the referees themselves. And they are the ones that can solve the problems by acting fairly and without bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
part_time_jambo Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Brave Hearts said: Root cause of the problem is that referees do not referee the game to the rules. They appear to interpret the rules to suit their own views/perspective. This creates inconsistencies in their decision making and causes them to be lenient on certain players/teams and pernickety on giving fouls against other players/teams. Example of this is how Morales plays the game and get away with offences, and how Uche is treated such as he slips and ref gives a foul against him or a defender has both arms around him and foul given to defender cause he can’t stop Uche. If referees applied the rules correctly and consistently, then there would be no need for post game refereeing. The root cause and fault of current crisis has solely been created by the referees themselves. And they are the ones that can solve the problems by acting fairly and without bias. Couldn't have been Uche. The real Uche would have shrugged his shoulders and sent the guy flying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave Hearts Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, part_time_jambo said: Couldn't have been Uche. The real Uche would have shrugged his shoulders and sent the guy flying. Both incidents were in the first few minutes of Uche comeback as sub against Livi. He got a foul awarded to him in his first touch then every single interaction afterwards he was penalised regardless that he was the one being impeded or fouled or, as I say, even when he slipped !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Jambof3tornado said: Simply not true. This is about both sides of the old firm. Not seen Rangers get much in the way of favours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 17 minutes ago, Homme said: Not seen Rangers get much in the way of favours. morelos beginning of the season. morelos not being cited for incidents in OF game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfhearts Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 It's a woman never played the game, what do we expect probably a liewell puppet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 38 minutes ago, milky_26 said: morelos beginning of the season. morelos not being cited for incidents in OF game or pulled up for behaviour at tynecastle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, i wish jj was my dad said: or pulled up for behaviour at tynecastle tbf i could have mentioned most games he has played in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Homme said: Not seen Rangers get much in the way of favours. The offside goal at Tynie this season surely a favour from the linesman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 hour ago, milky_26 said: morelos beginning of the season. morelos not being cited for incidents in OF game OK. So they've got off with some. So have all teams I'll bet. Rangers have had the most citations of all teams. Celtic absolutely none. Not one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 46 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said: The offside goal at Tynie this season surely a favour from the linesman? Nothing to do with the compliance officer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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