Phil Dunphy Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, August Landmesser said: No, there probably won't be a protest - which in itself is depressing. However, if there was one, I don't see how it could tangibly harm Hearts - we don't have strict liability in Scotland, and (as far as I remember) we've never been punished as a club in the past for fans chucking things onto the pitch before (flares, coins, pies etc.) Has there ever been a case of Hearts supporters publicly encouraging each other to throw tennis balls into the field of play with the express intent to delay kick off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Boab said: You're right about them not noticing but I think, then, people will do what they did yesterday which is not go ! I think we're realistic enough to admit things will not change in the way football is run these days but it is a bit sad to see a stand not even a quarter full. When the allocation is taken up, there will be a lot of told you so's and what's the problem etc but what can people do but say ram it, i'll watch it at home ? What the “boycotters” seem to forget is that, by not going, someone else will take the ticket. The allocation will be sold and Hearts will get the money for the gate receipts and they won’t be that bothered. Those who’re proudly telling us that they intend to watch it in the house will notice that they’re not at the game. No-one else will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Boab said: Sorry, why ? Erm because more Hearts fans wouldn't be able to watch a live match involving their team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Phil Dunphy said: What the “boycotters” seem to forget is that, by not going, someone else will take the ticket. The allocation will be sold and Hearts will get the money for the gate receipts and they won’t be that bothered. Those who’re proudly telling us that they intend to watch it in the house will notice that they’re not at the game. No-one else will. That's all they can do though. I don't think they are proud about anything...more pissed off that a game of this stature being played at a daft time on a Monday night. Hearts will be a bit out of pocket, as will Thistle because gate receipts will be down for this game. I'm pretty sure of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Maroon Sailor said: Erm because more Hearts fans wouldn't be able to watch a live match involving their team So what's the answer ? Show every Hearts away game live ? I suppose you probably can given all manner of streams etc these days but it means the match experience is a thing of the past. Ach, i'm bumping my gums I suppose but I don't like the way football is changing. Call it old age !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: Has there ever been a case of Hearts supporters publicly encouraging each other to throw tennis balls into the field of play with the express intent to delay kick off? Fairly certain that the Scottish Cup competition regulations don't cover 'fan conspiracy to delay the kick-off'. I could be wrong though, the SFA is a massively bureaucratic collection of jobsworths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Boab said: So what's the answer ? Show every Hearts away game live ? I suppose you probably can given all manner of streams etc these days but it means the match experience is a thing of the past. Ach, i'm bumping my gums I suppose but I don't like the way football is changing. Call it old age !! The match day experience is still there - just different All seater stadiums has seen to that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Maroon Sailor said: The match day experience is still there - just different All seater stadiums has seen to that Of course, mate. I've read your past posts and you've been going to see the Hearts before me. If this tie was 30-40 years ago, we'd both be there with bells on, with a few thousand others, watching it on a Sat afternoon with no TV. Just need to suck it up ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, Boab said: That's all they can do though. I don't think they are proud about anything...more pissed off that a game of this stature being played at a daft time on a Monday night. Hearts will be a bit out of pocket, as will Thistle because gate receipts will be down for this game. I'm pretty sure of that. From the home support, I’d agree. But the Hearts end will sell out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: From the home support, I’d agree. But the Hearts end will sell out. Aye, but we halve the gate ! Sorry to be picky but we will be out of pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, August Landmesser said: Fairly certain that the Scottish Cup competition regulations don't cover 'fan conspiracy to delay the kick-off'. I could be wrong though, the SFA is a massively bureaucratic collection of jobsworths Clubs are held responsible for the actions of their supporters. While one missile from the supporters is likely to be chalked up as one arsehole with too much drink in him, a potential 2,000 tennis balls being chucked onto the park will result in some sort of disciplinary action against the club. Of that you could be certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Boab said: Aye, but we halve the gate ! Sorry to be picky but we will be out of pocket. And that’s just the way it is. I know how the gate receipts work in Scottish Cup ties. If Hearts supporters are that concerned about Hearts being left out of pocket, buy a ticket for the home end too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: Clubs are held responsible for the actions of their supporters. While one missile from the supporters is likely to be chalked up as one arsehole with too much drink in him, a potential 2,000 tennis balls being chucked onto the park will result in some sort of disciplinary action against the club. Of that you could be certain. Cool. I guess the SFA are still dotting the I's and crossing the T's on Hibs' disciplinary action for the 2016 cup final. Can't rush these things after all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: And that’s just the way it is. I know how the gate receipts work in Scottish Cup ties. If Hearts supporters are that concerned about Hearts being left out of pocket, buy a ticket for the home end too. Ha, aye, mate, like that'll happen. I'm not that concerned. If Hearts are a wee bit out of pocket, it lies at the door of TV running the game, with the clubs consent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 22 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: Clubs are held responsible for the actions of their supporters. While one missile from the supporters is likely to be chalked up as one arsehole with too much drink in him, a potential 2,000 tennis balls being chucked onto the park will result in some sort of disciplinary action against the club. Of that you could be certain. Odd that theory. There wont be 2000 people to chuck them, crowd akin to Motherwell yesterday I reckon. If its only 20k a game now, it does seem to be a self defeating deal this one. Reconciled myself that TV deal is a TV deal and the only way you can change that is by not going, so the clubs refuse the pitiful offer next time round. Painful night of listening to McLeod and Dodds it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Odd that theory. There wont be 2000 people to chuck them, crowd akin to Motherwell yesterday I reckon. If its only 20k a game now, it does seem to be a self defeating deal this one. Reconciled myself that TV deal is a TV deal and the only way you can change that is by not going, so the clubs refuse the pitiful offer next time round. Painful night of listening to McLeod and Dodds it is We’ll shift our allocation. Of that, I’m fairly certain. 19 minutes ago, Boab said: Ha, aye, mate, like that'll happen. I'm not that concerned. If Hearts are a wee bit out of pocket, it lies at the door of TV running the game, with the clubs consent. Can’t be that bothered about Hearts being out of pocket then ??♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 24 minutes ago, August Landmesser said: Cool. I guess the SFA are still dotting the I's and crossing the T's on Hibs' disciplinary action for the 2016 cup final. Can't rush these things after all! I don’t think any right minded individual believes that Hibs and Rangers shouldn’t have been punished for that day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Odd that theory. There wont be 2000 people to chuck them, crowd akin to Motherwell yesterday I reckon. If its only 20k a game now, it does seem to be a self defeating deal this one. Reconciled myself that TV deal is a TV deal and the only way you can change that is by not going, so the clubs refuse the pitiful offer next time round. Painful night of listening to McLeod and Dodds it is Not having a go at the OP but if this particular protest were to go ahead, a couple of Wimbledon ballboys would have it under control in seconds. I do think our allocation will be close to sold out mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Phil Dunphy said: I don’t think any right minded individual believes that Hibs and Rangers shouldn’t have been punished for that day. Well, quite. But neither of them were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Phil Dunphy said: We’ll shift our allocation. Of that, I’m fairly certain. Can’t be that bothered about Hearts being out of pocket then ??♂️ Not sure myself. I hope we do, but its not such an appealing fixture all of a sudden, even on the telly. Tell me why....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 45 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: The match day experience is still there - just different All seater stadiums has seen to that Aye the great expearience of sitting in rush hour traffic but no doubt that never entered the minds of the folk that Be lucky to get 6000 at this game which would have been a 10000 sell out on the saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: We’ll shift our allocation. Of that, I’m fairly certain. Can’t be that bothered about Hearts being out of pocket then ??♂️ Hearts being out of pocket will be none of my doing. Don't be obtuse. You're better than that. I never suggested Hearts fans buy up home tickets to offset the loss ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, August Landmesser said: Well, quite. But neither of them were. No, they weren’t. But, in Scottish football, whataboutery doesn’t work. 2 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Not sure myself. I hope we do, but its not such an appealing fixture all of a sudden, even on the telly. Tell me why....... Because of the nature of the game. A Scottish Cup quarter final will bring a decent enough crowd. I can’t see why we wouldn’t shift the 2,000 of them. We’ll most certainly see a bigger crowd than we did yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Phil Dunphy said: No, they weren’t. But, in Scottish football, whataboutery doesn’t work. It wasn't whataboutery - it was an illustration of precedent; supporters of two clubs disrupted a game (causing a lot more damage to the stadium and pitch than a handful of tennis balls would) in the SFA's premier cup competition, and neither club was punished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: Aye the great expearience of sitting in rush hour traffic but no doubt that never entered the minds of the folk that Be lucky to get 6000 at this game which would have been a 10000 sell out on the saturday. That would mean 8,000 Partick fans in attendance. Don't know if there's 8,000 Partick fans in existence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: No, they weren’t. But, in Scottish football, whataboutery doesn’t work. Because of the nature of the game. A Scottish Cup quarter final will bring a decent enough crowd. I can’t see why we wouldn’t shift the 2,000 of them. We’ll most certainly see a bigger crowd than we did yesterday. Of course we will. We'll sell this out no problem, and there's likely to be a decent turn out from Partick given the pricing and the fact they're on a bit of a roll and will fancy their chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rudolf said: That would mean 8,000 Partick fans in attendance. Don't know if there's 8,000 Partick fans in existence. I think, although impossible to verify, that if the game had a better KO, Thistle may have accommodated more Hearts fans. All ifs, buts and maybes now of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Boab said: I think, although impossible to verify, that if the game had a better KO, Thistle may have accommodated more Hearts fans. All ifs, buts and maybes now of course. True, but they would have to have given us another full stand. I'd say that's unlikely as they will fancy their chances of getting to a semi final and want as big a support as possible behind them, not the other way about. Anyway, as you say we'll never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Rudolf said: True, but they would have to have given us another full stand. I'd say that's unlikely as they will fancy their chances of getting to a semi final and want as big a support as possible behind them, not the other way about. Anyway, as you say we'll never know. Only an opinion but if the demand from us was there, i'm sure they would have looked at giving us the end stand as well and housed their fans in the Jackie Husband ( 6500 ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, Boab said: Only an opinion but if the demand from us was there, i'm sure they would have looked at giving us the end stand as well and housed their fans in the Jackie Husband ( 6500 ). Don't know what their end stand holds but say it's 1,800 at £15 a pop, that's £27,000 split 50/50 £13,500 each. Not a lot of cash to give up a big part of home advantage, especially when you compare it to what they could make in the Semi Final. Anyway, hopefully we get a win and the Hearts fans that go through have a great night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Rudolf said: Don't know what their end stand holds but say it's 1,800 at £15 a pop, that's £27,000 split 50/50 £13,500 each. Not a lot of cash to give up a big part of home advantage, especially when you compare it to what they could make in the Semi Final. Anyway, hopefully we get a win and the Hearts fans that go through have a great night. Yip. Cup QF. 4pm liquid dinner in the West End. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Boab said: Yip. Cup QF. 4pm liquid dinner in the West End. ? We'll be starting at 1pm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 50 minutes ago, Rudolf said: We'll be starting at 1pm You won't be able to bite a tennis ball never mind throw one ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonsgotop Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 wonder how many Man Utd fans will be in London for tonights cup tie and whether they'll be protesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 25 minutes ago, maroonsgotop said: wonder how many Man Utd fans will be in London for tonights cup tie and whether they'll be protesting There'll be thousands of them there, only 10 minutes on the tube for most of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 A protest because a match is on a Monday night.////simply a joke Our club signed a deal, knew it would involve Monday night times and brings in far more money than before Lets face it we are hardly subject to this on a regular basis and it could impact on the team Get your yellow jacket on, travel over to France and protest there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Boab said: You won't be able to bite a tennis ball never mind throw one ! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambocub Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 On 18/02/2019 at 18:10, maroonsgotop said: wonder how many Man Utd fans will be in London for tonights cup tie and whether they'll be protesting No sure how many were in London but was a banner up in their end about it last night. Having a go at the fa and Monday night cup fixtures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Most watched domestic football match this season was the Chelsea Man Utd FA cup tie last night. Nearly 10 million tuned in MNF not all that bad then. There's a market for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 On 18/02/2019 at 19:34, CJGJ said: A protest because a match is on a Monday night.////simply a joke Our club signed a deal, knew it would involve Monday night times and brings in far more money than before Lets face it we are hardly subject to this on a regular basis and it could impact on the team Get your yellow jacket on, travel over to France and protest there You obviously didn't read the article that mentions it's 20k for a Tv match in the cup. Well worth it. Make it to the final a whopping 80k off TV. Sold Down River Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Most watched domestic football match this season was the Chelsea Man Utd FA cup tie last night. Nearly 10 million tuned in MNF not all that bad then. There's a market for it BBC mainstream. This game is on a channel that doesn't even exist today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: BBC mainstream. This game is on a channel that doesn't even exist today What's that got to do with my post and the apparent appetite for MNF ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 On 18/02/2019 at 19:34, CJGJ said: A protest because a match is on a Monday night.////simply a joke Our club signed a deal, knew it would involve Monday night times and brings in far more money than before Lets face it we are hardly subject to this on a regular basis and it could impact on the team Get your yellow jacket on, travel over to France and protest there I like to see the figures for that, mate. There seems to be views to the contrary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, Maroon Sailor said: What's that got to do with my post and the apparent appetite for MNF ? This has been covered already, has it not ? Trying to compare English Football, with all the riches down there, and our game is, frankly, ridiculous. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Boab said: This has been covered already, has it not ? Trying to compare English Football, with all the riches down there, and our game is, frankly, ridiculous. Sorry. I didn't compare - people on here were manking about MNF. Probably the same people who watched the match last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: You obviously didn't read the article that mentions it's 20k for a Tv match in the cup. Well worth it. Make it to the final a whopping 80k off TV. Sold Down River It’s £32k for each club and higher prize money for each round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: I didn't compare - people on here were manking about MNF. Probably the same people who watched the match last night You're right.....because no comparison can be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Boab said: You're right.....because no comparison can be made. When they are it's always with English football, never with Irish or Welsh football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7628mm Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 On 18/02/2019 at 15:49, Phil Dunphy said: Clubs are held responsible for the actions of their supporters. While one missile from the supporters is likely to be chalked up as one arsehole with too much drink in him, a potential 2,000 tennis balls being chucked onto the park will result in some sort of disciplinary action against the club. Of that you could be certain. I think you may be wrong with the bit I have highlighted in BOLD. The clubs of the SPFL have pretty much to a "man" rejected "strict liability" so are not accountable for the actions of their or the visiting supporters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 48 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: You obviously didn't read the article that mentions it's 20k for a Tv match in the cup. Well worth it. Make it to the final a whopping 80k off TV. Sold Down River You clearly have not red the details of the deal Far more money coming into Scottish Football That is a fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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