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I P Knightley
1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

Seen a few folks on TV going on about 'she was only 15', yeh true but not all 15 year olds are the same, some are way way smarter than some 20-25 yr olds, and by all accounts she was really quite clever at school, straight A's seemingly, it is also known that she spent quite some time researching ISIS on the internet and it was mentioned today that it was her who organised the travel arrangements for the 3 of them.  So she knew exactly what she was getting herself into long before she ever went anywhere near Syria.

 

Sure she was only 15 when she went to Syria, but she doesn't come across as some silly wee girl, no not this one.

Sounds a wee bit Gary Glittery.

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luckyBatistuta
52 minutes ago, Cade said:

There are some fecking scary attitudes on show in this thread.

 

 

 

That might be Cade, but not nearly as scary as hers.

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The Frenchman Returns

Although I was no angel in my late teens and at times was a complete and utter arse, I paid the price for my behaviour and my life was moulded by my youthful actions.

 

so whereas I have a bit of sympathy for her naivety, she has so far shown no contrition. Until she does I can see no reason, pregnant or not, for allowing her into the UK. 

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Jambo-Jimbo
14 minutes ago, I P Knightley said:

Sounds a wee bit Gary Glittery.

 

Really, can't see it myself how a smart 15 year old reminds you of Gary Glitter.

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Phil Dunphy

Whilst I agree she only wants to come back for the healthcare she and her unborn child, she could prove to be useful for intelligence purposes. 

 

Once she was interrogated, she should face a jail term and have the child taken off her. Does she seem like a good role model for a child growing up? I don’t think so. Give the child a chance at a life free from the baggage it’s mother will bring. 

 

No remorse? No forgiveness. 

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jake
4 hours ago, Smithee said:

It's tough, part of me wants to throw an arm round someone who ****ed up their life at age 15, who's seen decapitated heads and lost 2 kids by 19 and now seems to be in teenage bluster mode - "no of course I don't regret the decision that made my life so very shitty"

But, the other side is completely understandable too, you can't declare war on the society you grew up in and expect it to welcome you back with open arms.

 

Should she be treated as a victim, a minor who was groomed into radicalism, or as an enemy?

She should as all returning UK citizens who joined Isis be treated foremost as a criminal.

They were part of a murderous killing cult .

And we exported these murderers.

The Syrian people sufferered and still suffer from their terror which was a form of real evil.

We owe it to them to serve justice.

 

It's the least we can  do.

 

In this particular case I'd hope we can turn this kid around.

A 15 year old in that environment didn't stand a chance.

 

As for any children born to UK citizens some of them will already be radicalized and will have been traumatised.

 

On a wider note our efforts should  be to rebuild and help the people of that region.

There is still the original issue of Assad.

And many other players .

The whole thing reeked imo.

But I've posted plenty on that.

 

Anyway my fear is that stories like this direct people's anger at a young lassie(somewhat deserved) and the real story is forgotten.

 

 

 

 

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milky_26

why doesnt she go to the netherlands with her terrorist husband

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redjambo

Despite me being a liberal by most definitions of the term, I say No too. She made her choice. She appears to be showing no remorse. I also wouldn't be happy about having someone in this country going around who isn't fazed when she sees severed heads in a bin.

 

We also have to show folk in the future that you must be responsible for your actions. If you decide to feck off to another country and live among and support mass murderers then you can't expect us to welcome you back. Or, if we do, you will 100% be held accountable for your crimes.

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Jambo-Jimbo
15 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

why doesnt she go to the netherlands with her terrorist husband

 

Apparently he's been captured, don't know by who or where he is being held.

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Mikey1874
30 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

why doesnt she go to the netherlands with her terrorist husband

 

He's in Syria

 

Most probably heading for trial and execution 

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XB52
5 hours ago, gjcc said:

If a 15 year old who got over there, realised they’d made a huge mistake, I’d welcome them back. 

 

But for someone to show no regret, in fact the opposite four years later, they can **** right off. Nobody will be able to determine her intentions if she was to return. 

 

Im in London until Sunday so if they could please hold off until then I’d appreciate it. 

more or less where I am. What I have seen is she has no remorse at all and simply wants to come back for the health care for her unborn child. Sorry, you fly with the crows etc.

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Seymour M Hersh
5 hours ago, John Findlay said:

That's been done 3 times at the least.

 

Exactly they say she fled after her husband surrendered but what about the other forty husbands?

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Seymour M Hersh
2 hours ago, Barack said:

Life sentence, & the child put up for adoption.

 

Save it from its mother's radicalised, unrepentant behaviour.

 

Why should we pay the cost of her incarceration?

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Barack
2 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Why should we pay the cost of her incarceration?

It's not up to us.

 

We have currently a whole raft of serial killers, terrorists & paedophiles, inhabiting our holiday camps, that are masquerading as prisons. We're paying for them. One more going to tip the balance? The European Court won't be helping her as of next month. So, if she returns, she should be arrested in line with anti-terror legislation.

 

She's a citizen of the U.K., regardless of my thoughts on her. She should be tried, and, if proven, convicted subject to our laws.

 

 

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Seymour M Hersh
2 minutes ago, Barack said:

It's not up to us.

 

We have currently a whole raft of serial killers, terrorists & paedophiles, inhabiting our holiday camps, that are masquerading as prisons. We're paying for them. One more going to tip the balance? The European Court won't be helping her as of next month. So, if she returns, she should be arrested in line with anti-terror legislation.

 

She's a citizen of the U.K., regardless of my thoughts on her. She should be tried, and, if proven, convicted subject to our laws.

 

 

 

She should be tried in Syria or wherever else she plied her terrorist trade. Not for running away from him in the UK.

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Victorian
1 minute ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

She should be tried in Syria or wherever else she plied her terrorist trade. Not for running away from him in the UK.

 

She committed a criminal offence in UK law by going to Syria to support a proscribed group.    She may have committed criminal offences in international law.    It is entirely appropriate to prosecute her in the UK.     The trouble would come via the extremists in the human rights lobby,   who would be all over this like a rash.    Demands for her to be bailed.    Protests at any custodial sentence,   etc.

 

In an ideal world she could be allowed back in and interned without trial while she is deradicalised beyond any possible risk and/or re-radicalisation.    Child removed to care without any possibility of being returned.

 

Aint gonna happen of course.

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Barack
12 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

She should be tried in Syria or wherever else she plied her terrorist trade. Not for running away from him in the UK.

Running away from whom? The Dutch husband? He's been captured by all accounts. 

 

It's fairly apparent she's wanting to use the NHS and its benefits, under her legal rights as a citizen. Do I agree with that...of course not. However, I bear no ill-will to her unborn child. I think that matter will be taken out of her hands anyway, by the Courts & Social Services.

 

She's not guaranteed to return. Though, I suspect she will. The Netherlands might want to try her, with her being married to the Dutch bloke. They might even want to take the child into care themselves. Who knows. So, there's not much point getting worked up about her for now, until the Government decide one way or another. My view, is straightforward on it if she does. 

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Seymour M Hersh
Just now, Barack said:

Running away from whom? The Dutch husband? He's been captured by all accounts. 

 

It's fairly apparent she's wanting to use the NHS and it's benefits, under her legal rights as a citizen. Do I agree with that...of course not. However, I bear no ill-will to her unborn child. I think that matter will be taken out of her hands anyway, by the Courts & Social Services.

 

She's not guaranteed to return. Though, I suspect she will. The Netherlands might want to try her, with her being married to the Dutch bloke. They might even want to take the child into care themselves. Who knows. So, there's not much point getting worked up about her for now, until the Government decide one way or another. My view, is straightforward on it if she does. 

 

Sorry that was running away from home.

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Irufushi
6 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

Let the bitch rot there. 

 

Pretty much this. **** her. 

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JamboX2

Let her back. Rehabilitation is what she needs and de-radicalisation. 

 

She was 15 when she went. A child.

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Victorian

Her family's lawyer is at it already.    He says her 'do not regret it' attitude is false because she is in danger from other ISIS people in the humanitarian camp.   That she is somehow saying what needs said to stay safe.     He says she should be taken to a place of safety to see what she says whilst supposedly not in danger.

 

In other words,   he wants a chance to coach her to say what needs said to facilitate her return.

 

At it.    **** right off.     

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Mikey1874
11 minutes ago, JamboX2 said:

Let her back. Rehabilitation is what she needs and de-radicalisation. 

 

She was 15 when she went. A child.

 

After she's been tried for any offences in Syria. 

 

Might be a very long prison sentence. 

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Mikey1874
5 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Her family's lawyer is at it already.    He says her 'do not regret it' attitude is false because she is in danger from other ISIS people in the humanitarian camp.   That she is somehow saying what needs said to stay safe.     He says she should be taken to a place of safety to see what she says whilst supposedly not in danger.

 

In other words,   he wants a chance to coach her to say what needs said to facilitate her return.

 

At it.    **** right off.     

 

He said it is safe for British to go in and get her but not safe for her to be there.

 

A bit confused. 

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Victorian
5 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

He said it is safe for British to go in and get her but not safe for her to be there.

 

A bit confused. 

 

Indeed.  At it.   But to be expected.    He seemed to suggest safety in the area based on the fact that there are journalists there.    :rofl:

 

 

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milky_26
3 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Indeed.  At it.   But to be expected.    He seemed to suggest safety in the area based on the fact that there are journalists there.    :rofl:

 

 

someone should suggest to him that he goes and gets her

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Barack
3 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Indeed.  At it.   But to be expected.    He seemed to suggest safety in the area based on the fact that there are journalists there.    :rofl:

 

 

I expect he's taken a wee trip out to visit her?🤔

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JamboX2
19 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

After she's been tried for any offences in Syria. 

 

Might be a very long prison sentence. 

 

Indeed. Are there allegations she has committed any crimes? 

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i8hibsh
4 hours ago, Cade said:

There are some fecking scary attitudes on show in this thread.

 

 

 

 

Really?  In what way?

 

I have to say, so far I am completely surprised by some people but in a good way.

 

 

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Victorian

Expect some kind of half-assed efforts made by some organisation such as Reprieve or perhaps a charity to remove her.     Maybe even a 'contractor' hired via a crowd funding exercise.     Once back in Europe and in verifiable safety,   the pressure to increase for her return to the UK.

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The Mighty Thor

She was 15. 

WTF were her parents doing?

 

IMO She should be handed over to the Syrians to be tried and, if guilty, punished in accordance with their laws. 

As for returning to the UK? Not a chance. 

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i8hibsh

She will end up getting special treatment  - it is so obvious.

 

There are many desperate pregnant girls in the UK as it is.

 

**** her,  I could not give even a modicum of a **** about this girl.  I don’t care for her well being, nothing.  Her baby well that is a different story (of course) but what do we do? We are not a charity case.  Plenty people in desperate situations on these shores as I type.  Help them first.

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Mikey1874
25 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Indeed.  At it.   But to be expected.    He seemed to suggest safety in the area based on the fact that there are journalists there.    :rofl:

 

 

 

When journalists often go to the most dangerous places. 

 

Syria is still very dangerous. 

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Mikey1874
15 minutes ago, JamboX2 said:

 

Indeed. Are there allegations she has committed any crimes? 

 

Depends. Being in ISIS is a criminal offence here. 

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Victorian
Just now, Mikey1874 said:

 

When journalists often go to the most dangerous places. 

 

Syria is still very dangerous. 

 

Exactly.   I think ISIS murdered a few journalists.      With their familiar brand of graphic religious piety.

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Mikey1874
18 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

She was 15. 

WTF were her parents doing?

 

IMO She should be handed over to the Syrians to be tried and, if guilty, punished in accordance with their laws. 

As for returning to the UK? Not a chance. 

 

Dad is accused of being radical Islamist ISIS type. 

 

To be fair though the pull of helping fellow Muslims being bombed by the Syrian government did encourage a lot of people to follow ISIS. Some decent people too. 

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Mikey1874
18 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Expect some kind of half-assed efforts made by some organisation such as Reprieve or perhaps a charity to remove her.     Maybe even a 'contractor' hired via a crowd funding exercise.     Once back in Europe and in verifiable safety,   the pressure to increase for her return to the UK.

 

They have no chance getting her.

 

It's a well organised set up in Syria because of how dangerous it is. 

 

Eventually it's a Syrian resettlement camp, Britain or some other deal like they did with Guantanamo for some ie volunteer countries. 

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fabienleclerq

Iirc those who went to fight with Isis had their citizenship removed (i.e the men) so why are the woman who basically facilitate the fighting any different?

 

I think if she had any remorse there could be a case for letting her return. She doesn't and basically if Isis weren't losing she wouldn't be wanting back home. 

 

I feel for her kid but unless it's adopted then it will grow up and more than likely share her values and opinions of the UK/Christians or whatever else she hates.

 

She should be telt to **** right off and made an example of.

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Dagger Is Back

Delighted to see the vast majority saying no.

 

No remorse? No regrets?

 

Should never be allowed to set foot in this country ever again, or her offspring.

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luckyBatistuta
3 hours ago, Irufushi said:

 

Pretty much this. **** her. 

 

Well said Iru

 

2 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

She was 15. 

WTF were her parents doing?

 

IMO She should be handed over to the Syrians to be tried and, if guilty, punished in accordance with their laws. 

As for returning to the UK? Not a chance. 

 

I’ll have a guess at...pretending they knew absolutely nothing about anything.

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Jambo_Gaz

Remove her citizenship. 

 

Never let her step foot in the UK ever again. 

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Jambo-Jimbo

One of the Dad's was on Sky News, basically saying that they pose no threat, they made a mistake etc etc etc.

They then played the tape to him and the look on his face was quite telling, it was oh for fecks sake and then shaking his head in hands.

He was there defending them and this one is virtually putting the noose around her own neck so to speak.

 

A Sky News data poll shows that 76% of the those surveyed think she should not be allowed back into the UK.

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Dusk_Till_Dawn

Loads of right-on people will be arguing for her to be let back in. Only point of concern is her baby, which we should be worried about.

 

as for her, it would be good if she was left with no passport and nowhere to go

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Rousset1

If she had suffered the same fate as her two friends this debate would not be required.

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Jambo-Jimbo
Just now, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Loads of right-on people will be arguing for her to be let back in. Only point of concern is her baby, which we should be worried about.

 

as for her, it would be good if she was left with no passport and nowhere to go

 

Yasmin Alibhai Brown making a complete arse of herself (IMO) on Sky News, basically toeing the line that the girl is the victim, she was only 15 and didn't know what she was doing, whilst completely ignoring the facts that she had carried out research for many weeks and knew full well what ISIS was like, traveled to Syria willingly to become a 'jihadi bride' at the age of 15, and that this 'victim' isn't fazed about seeing severed heads in the bins nor that she regrets going to Syria in the first place to become a 'jihadi bride'.

 

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fabienleclerq
7 hours ago, Cade said:

There are some fecking scary attitudes on show in this thread.

 

 

 

And what's your attitude towards her situation?

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JamboX2
4 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Depends. Being in ISIS is a criminal offence here. 

 

Was more meaning murder etc. But point taken.

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Zico
9 hours ago, Boris said:

You can't just strip a person of their nationality/citizenship.  If they had dual nationality, then perhaps there is a case, but if you are British, and British alone, what do you then become?

 

And where do you draw the line?  What crimes could amount to loss of citizenship?

You absolutely can take their citizenship comrade. You’re getting confused with making them stateless (I’d advocate that too but the UN might frown in our direction if we did that). I’d prefer worse but this is a family forum. And the latter is, of course, far more mercy than enjoyed by the Yazidis, Shia Turkmen etc. 

 

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J.T.F.Robertson
2 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Yasmin Alibhai Brown making a complete arse of herself (IMO) on Sky News, basically toeing the line that the girl is the victim, she was only 15 and didn't know what she was doing, whilst completely ignoring the facts that she had carried out research for many weeks and knew full well what ISIS was like, traveled to Syria willingly to become a 'jihadi bride' at the age of 15, and that this 'victim' isn't fazed about seeing severed heads in the bins nor that she regrets going to Syria in the first place to become a 'jihadi bride'.

 

 

Just a bit of youthful rebellion. (bit like Pattie Hearst)

In my day it manifested itself in sympathy for the Socialist Workers' Party and the Black Panthers. (to name a couple)

She's obviously grown out of it. :whistling:

 

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John Findlay

Only 15. That's only a year away from getting to vote nowadays.

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