Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, iainmac said: People won't be sitting in a safe standing section surely? Kind of defeats the purpose - more of a safety requirement. What about European competition? Edit. Apologies already answered Edited February 13, 2019 by Sir Gio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: What about European competition? Edit. Apologies already answered The whole section will be seated in that case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanthejambo Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 33 minutes ago, troonmaroon said: Why not? EG lower section N would be fine if we closed just the top row of that section. That said, I thought it was that our stand is too steep for the 'safe standing'. But perhaps these new style seats are allowed on slightly steeper stands... People to the side of N May have their view restricted down the wing. Also cannot see leaving rows empty as viable. The only reason to choose these seats rather than the ones Celtic use is to make sure everyone can see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdannyb Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Boab said: They are ! Hannover, for instance, 5,700 fans stand in an area of 3,000 rail seats. https://www.dw.com/en/safe-standing-how-does-it-work-in-germany/a-47328501 http://www.fsf.org.uk/campaigns/standing/what-does-standing-look-like/ Edited February 13, 2019 by kingdannyb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Folk still trotting out the lies about Lower N blocking folks views, aye? Sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCR Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 49 minutes ago, troonmaroon said: Why not? EG lower section N would be fine if we closed just the top row of that section. That said, I thought it was that our stand is too steep for the 'safe standing'. But perhaps these new style seats are allowed on slightly steeper stands... I am assured by a Motherwell fan I know that you can’t see the goal below you in certain parts of the Roseburn if everyone is standing. He is a bit of a short arse mind. Edited February 13, 2019 by JCR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: Folk still trotting out the lies about Lower N blocking folks views, aye? Sound. Oh no not again... not another one of your Section N 'wobbles'? Hopefully we've got it covered this time... With a bit of luck if caught early you may not go into full meltdown mode again. Edited February 13, 2019 by been here before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Toggie88 said: It looks as if they're only in for a demonstration. One row has two seats, the other has three. Also, they look like they're wider than normal seats (that section is currently four wide). Might lose a little capacity by putting them in. Of course, all of this is just from looking at two pictures. I could be wrong, but regardless would love standing back at Tynie. I used to love standing when I was younger. Now I'm much older I think I'd prefer my own seat. Anyway safe standing will never be close to standing at the back of The Shed. How I miss those days :sob: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viva hate Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 41 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: Folk still trotting out the lies about Lower N blocking folks views, aye? Sound. Folk still trotting out lies about Lower N not blocking folks views aye? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolkeith Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 35 minutes ago, JCR said: I am assured by a Motherwell fan I know that you can’t see the goal below you in certain parts of the Roseburn if everyone is standing. He is a bit of a short arse mind. Quite ironic coming from a Motherwell fan. They’re away stand is awful from this point of view. Ideally safe standing in sections G and N. And lower Gorgie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 This again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, viva hate said: Folk still trotting out lies about Lower N not blocking folks views aye? Looks like the steward is a greater obstruction. Should do away with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I am still not sure if this is worthwhile Safe standing has to have the same space as a seat, so it can be converted, and you will still have a ‘seat’ number, meaning you will have this spot you can’ move from. Not the same aa actual, proper standing areas, where you can move about, and jump about, like a dafty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick James Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Don't think European games is a problem. Haven't been to a proper European tie in a stadium with standing, but I've been to the Veltins Arena many times and I couldn't imagine the Nordkurve having temporary seating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Locky said: Don't think European games is a problem. Haven't been to a proper European tie in a stadium with standing, but I've been to the Veltins Arena many times and I couldn't imagine the Nordkurve having temporary seating. I think they have fold down seats iirc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radio Ga Ga Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 If safe standing were to come off, can’t see it being the Gorgie as this is where a good number of our hospitality sit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick James Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Radio Ga Ga said: If safe standing were to come off, can’t see it being the Gorgie as this is where a good number of our hospitality sit? Sure there will be far more scope for hospitality when the main stand is finally completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radio Ga Ga Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Locky said: Sure there will be far more scope for hospitality when the main stand is finally completed. There are no plans to close the Gorgie Suite, it will still be the ‘main’ hospitality offering going forward. It’s where the match sponsor will continue to be hosted. (Source, Hearts Commercial Dept.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 33 minutes ago, Radio Ga Ga said: If safe standing were to come off, can’t see it being the Gorgie as this is where a good number of our hospitality sit? Surely if the lower Gorgie was safe standing it wouldn't affect the upper sections. Same for the Roseburn. The lower sections of the Wheatfield and the Main stand would be more problematic due to disabled areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radio Ga Ga Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 28 minutes ago, luckydug said: Surely if the lower Gorgie was safe standing it wouldn't affect the upper sections. Same for the Roseburn. The lower sections of the Wheatfield and the Main stand would be more problematic due to disabled areas. Ah, my bad. I thought the poster suggesting the Gorgie meant the whole stand as safe standing and not just the lower... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjack Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Ribble said: Then they'll need to buy a ticket for a seated section, the safe standing seats are locked in place. Safe standing also allows for more fans than seats e.g 3 people standing for every 2 seated so you wouldn't actually have an allocated seat to sit in! Pretty sure that the SFA or SPFL stated that it is a 1 to 1 ratio unlike in Germany where I think its 1.7 standing to every 1 seated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His name is Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, kingdannyb said: Hannover, for instance, 5,700 fans stand in an area of 3,000 rail seats. https://www.dw.com/en/safe-standing-how-does-it-work-in-germany/a-47328501 http://www.fsf.org.uk/campaigns/standing/what-does-standing-look-like/ This is why I thought the EPL would be all over it. It looks like they are slowly coming round but needs to be legally agreed down there first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, viva hate said: Folk still trotting out lies about Lower N not blocking folks views aye? I'd be seething if that was my seat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanthejambo Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, luckydug said: Surely if the lower Gorgie was safe standing it wouldn't affect the upper sections. Same for the Roseburn. The lower sections of the Wheatfield and the Main stand would be more problematic due to disabled areas. It does affect the upper sections, particularly the first couple of rows. However if these seats were installed in an entire stand eg Gorgie, it would allow the club to create standing areas and increase/decrease this depending on demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffy Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I’ve been to games in Germany where they just have terracing not safe standing and they are open for European games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdannyb Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 But the SPFL think they can run football better than the Germans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth to Paisley Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 7 hours ago, Jodami said: You can only use safe standing in domestic games, all European matches must be all seated. I think it is ridiculous quite honestly but that is the UEFA and FIFA ruling. That's my understanding as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, kingdannyb said: But the SPFL think they can run football better than the Germans. The can, and have been very successfully for years. Spoiler Sorry, thought you said ruin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tott Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Stick all the front enclosures to safe standing for a season. Its people standing up ffs,most of us are quite good at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 38 minutes ago, Tott said: Stick all the front enclosures to safe standing for a season. Its people standing up ffs,most of us are quite good at it. Where do you suggest the ambulant disabled supporters go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tott Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Dunks said: Where do you suggest the ambulant disabled supporters go? Ask ann,didnt she sign off on this stadium? Lower level standing is so steep,would it obsruct the view from the level concourse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, Tott said: Ask ann,didnt she sign off on this stadium? Lower level standing is so steep,would it obsruct the view from the level concourse? Yes - it obstructs it now. Fine when folk are seated though, as per stadium design Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tott Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Dunks said: Yes - it obstructs it now. Fine when folk are seated though, as per stadium design Its football though.. as pish and dull as were under levein now and again fans will stand up...probably once every 5 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalstonjambo Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 15 hours ago, Ribble said: It's not legally restricted to 1:1 ratio, but where clubs struggle to increase capacity through safe standing is both on the depth of each row and also the width of exits. Our stands will have all been designed to allow for the safe coming and going of the seated capacity. Increasing capacity may mean that we'd also need to widen the vomitories and potentially increase things like toilet numbers too. That's not true in Scotland according to everything that has ever been written on the subject. It has to be 1:1 ratio. Was widely reported in the media at the time? You need to have seats legally for European games, so everyone would get a ticket with a standing area which would have a seat against it for European games. That is part of the issue that Budge raised. It would cost more than seated, for no increase in attendance. This is part of the reason why in my view should be a one off FOH project or something like that. I'd be all for it, but every time this chat comes up on here people talk about it increasing attendances, which patently isn't true given the regulation. I'd love to have it, and personally i'd pay a bit more to stand. But i'm 99.9% sure from all we've read on it that it has to be a 1:1 ratio in Scotland. I cannot talk for Germany/Austria, but i also seem to remember Celtic mentioning this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 6 hours ago, Dunks said: Where do you suggest the ambulant disabled supporters go? The pub. Far more fun and constructive way of spending an afternoon than watching Levein's Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 I doubt there is suitable appetite amongst our support to have the whole Gorgie stand standing. I get that a few folk want it, fair enough. But i'd be stunned if 2-3k would want it and actually want to be there for every game and crucially PAY to be there. Standing up for a whole game V Livi in January on a Wednesday night for example. I know it's not for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sarah O said: Standing up for a whole game V Livi in January on a Wednesday night for example. You're probably right about the general appetite for it, but a cold midweek in January is exactly the time I want to be standing up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: You're probably right about the general appetite for it, but a cold midweek in January is exactly the time I want to be standing up! Nah, I like a good slouch in my padded seat cowered over my Bovril. Should the game be dull, catch up on some Z's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 19 hours ago, XB52 said: According to a poster of another football site, Kilmarnock are looking to bring this in. Would like the whole of section G made safe standing as it wouldn't spoil the view for anyone in other sections. Can't understand the idea that the steepness of the stand rules this out as people are standing in there already and everyone stands at some points during the game. Having a rail in front of every fan makes it a lot safer than the current seats Kilmarnock would be better off improving their playing surface surely.....! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Why don't we just do it the other way round? Section N upper safe standing and lower seated? Add in G if enough demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, ericb said: Why don't we just do it the other way round? Section N upper safe standing and lower seated? Add in G if enough demand. Because lower sections P and S perhaps would have their view of the near touch line blocked by all the folk standing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil D. Corners Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sarah O said: Because lower sections P and S perhaps would have their view of the near touch line blocked by all the folk standing? Mark the seats as restricted view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Just now, Phil D. Corners said: Mark the seats as restricted view. That would be mental in my opinion. 2 sections of restricted view seats (probably having to sell them cheaper) so 1 section can stand? No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil D. Corners Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sarah O said: That would be mental in my opinion. 2 sections of restricted view seats (probably having to sell them cheaper) so 1 section can stand? No thanks. I don’t think we would need to discount 2 full sections. Maybe just a couple seats at the end of each row. I can’t think how it would look if I’m honest. But I would put the standing section in the Georgie stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 24 minutes ago, Sarah O said: Because lower sections P and S perhaps would have their view of the near touch line blocked by all the folk standing? What are P and S Lower looking at if N Upper is restricting their view? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Section Q said: Kilmarnock would be better off improving their playing surface surely.....! They are replacing their pitch this summer, another plastic one though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 43 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: What are P and S Lower looking at if N Upper is restricting their view? Just what I was thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, XB52 said: They are replacing their pitch this summer, another plastic one though Controversial maybe but all teams in our top division should play on grass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Sarah O said: Because lower sections P and S perhaps would have their view of the near touch line blocked by all the folk standing? Nope, I've read that back four times and don't understand. How can someones view be blocked by someone standing behind them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 7 hours ago, Phil Dunphy said: What are P and S Lower looking at if N Upper is restricting their view? I'm talking about the lower sections Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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