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29 minutes ago, Perth to Paisley said:

If you sat down would you be looking atctge game through the cross rail?

 

 

Only if you can see through the persons in front. 

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13 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

Possibly. 

 

People won't be sitting in a safe standing section surely? Kind of defeats the purpose - more of a safety requirement. 

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6 minutes ago, iainmac said:

 

People won't be sitting in a safe standing section surely? Kind of defeats the purpose - more of a safety requirement. 

Exactly. 

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According to a poster of another football site, Kilmarnock are looking to bring this in. Would like the whole of section G made safe standing as it wouldn't spoil the view for anyone in other sections. Can't understand the idea that the steepness of the stand rules this out as people are standing in there already and everyone stands at some points during the game. Having a rail in front of every fan makes it a lot safer than the current seats

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58 minutes ago, Notts1874 said:

 

 

 

We'll never get the old terraces back but standing with something to lean on is a decent compromise, fingers crossed

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7 minutes ago, XB52 said:

According to a poster of another football site, Kilmarnock are looking to bring this in. Would like the whole of section G made safe standing as it wouldn't spoil the view for anyone in other sections. Can't understand the idea that the steepness of the stand rules this out as people are standing in there already and everyone stands at some points during the game. Having a rail in front of every fan makes it a lot safer than the current seats

 

Pop that into N and G Lower for testing. 

 

Everyone knows about standing in N anyway. 

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It looks as if they're only in for a demonstration. One row has two seats, the other has three. 

 

Also, they look like they're wider than normal seats (that section is currently four wide). Might lose a little capacity by putting them in.  

 

Of course, all of this is just from looking at two pictures. I could be wrong, but regardless would love standing back at Tynie. 

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Won't affect me seating in Section C, but would really like this to go through, for sections N and G, if they want it, many do and shouldn't be punished for wanting to stand.

 

Especially as there is never any action taken against those who stand right through the game in the away stands when full.

 

Has any official action ever been taken against clubs, where their supporters or opposition  stood, during significant portions of a game?

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1 hour ago, Notts1874 said:

 

 

 

Seems odd to have the seat stick out like that rather than be flat inside the barrier when shut,  the same as at Parkhead.

 

 

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Good to see that we are always looking at things like this. You get the feeling there is always something going on in the background at Hearts at the moment. ?

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5 minutes ago, Deans Jambo said:

Seems odd to have the seat stick out like that rather than be flat inside the barrier when shut,  the same as at Parkhead.

 

 

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Now you mention it... I agree. 

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1 hour ago, Perth to Paisley said:

If you sat down would you be looking atctge game through the cross rail?

 

 

36 minutes ago, kila said:

Looks interesting, almost like a high chair

 

So if someone wants to sit, they will be at the same height as those standing next to them

 

Good idea

 

Why would people be sitting or wanting to sit in a safe standing area? 

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6 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

 

Why would people be sitting or wanting to sit in a safe standing area? 

 

Because they prefer to stand but maybe cant do it for 2 hours?

 

Because they go with someone who likes to stand?

 

Gives an alternative.

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13 minutes ago, Deans Jambo said:

Seems odd to have the seat stick out like that rather than be flat inside the barrier when shut,  the same as at Parkhead.

 

 

It may be a case of being cheaper as you can use the old seats and backs, you'd just need the frame ? 

Just guessing to be fair

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14 minutes ago, Deans Jambo said:

Seems odd to have the seat stick out like that rather than be flat inside the barrier when shut,  the same as at Parkhead.

 

 

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They look like they would be incredibly uncomfortable to actually have to sit on, and look like flat backs with relatively flat seats, that will meet at a solid 90 degree angle.  Designed for standing first, and seating last.

 

The ones in the pictures from Tynecastle at least look moulded enough to be a bit comfier. 

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Looks like all the JKB engineers who told us that safe standing couldn't be fitted at tynie were wrong. 

 

I believe its only a matter of time  before it's installed at tynie 

 

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12 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

 

Why would people be sitting or wanting to sit in a safe standing area? 

 

Have to agree. It’s either or. 

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1 minute ago, tian447 said:

 

They look like they would be incredibly uncomfortable to actually have to sit on, and look like flat backs with relatively flat seats, that will meet at a solid 90 degree angle.  Designed for standing first, and seating last.

 

The ones in the pictures from Tynecastle at least look moulded enough to be a bit comfier. 

 

It's only to conform with UEFA regulations, if a hooped demon of my acquaintance is to be believed. No one ever sits on them and he said when they were first introduced and playing a Euro tie at Parkhead, the seats would be unlocked. All they did, rascals that they are, was to jam a bit of card etc into the side of the seat to keep it in the upright position. 

This could all be bollocks but he was quite adamant !

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16 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

Why would people be sitting or wanting to sit in a safe standing area? 

 

Just gives options I suppose.

 

Rather than a section being purely standing, it lets those decide and keeps heads all at the same height.

 

Imagine the entire Gorgie stand being that sort of seating :glorious:

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27 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

 

Why would people be sitting or wanting to sit in a safe standing area? 

You can only use safe standing in domestic games, all European matches must be all seated. I think it is ridiculous quite honestly but that is the UEFA and FIFA ruling. 

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34 minutes ago, Deans Jambo said:

Seems odd to have the seat stick out like that rather than be flat inside the barrier when shut,  the same as at Parkhead.

 

Does say a new style, and from the pics it looks like the back of the seat rises towards the bottom of the back rather than hinging at the same point, possibly to enable the seat to be higher to bring line of sight above the barrier so folk can actually see when sitting at european games!.

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Would be great to see at Tynecastle. Always found it disappointing that when the new stand was being rebuilt there was no scope for discussion from the club at introducing some sort of safe standing, it’s seemed to be unilaterally ruled out by AB in one of her statements.

 

im at that stage now where I’m quite happy sitting personally but would like to see safe standing elsewhere particularly G or N, and safe standing helps enable atmosphere without compromising safety or the views of others who can know to avoid a standing section if they prefer to sit 

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1 hour ago, iainmac said:

 

People won't be sitting in a safe standing section surely? Kind of defeats the purpose - more of a safety requirement. 

All seated at European games I believe. 

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44 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

 

Why would people be sitting or wanting to sit in a safe standing area? 

 

Perhaps the person usually stands and has a season ticket there but half way through the season suffers an injury meaning they can't do so for certain games.

 

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Bazzas right boot

Money wasted. 

 

Could "of" used this money to boost the women's team. 

 

Dissapionted in wasting money with no return, tbh. 

 

 

 

 

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I want safe-standing in the whole of the Gorgie Stand, but those look so ugly.

This is what we have in Linz, Austria:

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22 minutes ago, Ribble said:

 

Does say a new style, and from the pics it looks like the back of the seat rises towards the bottom of the back rather than hinging at the same point, possibly to enable the seat to be higher to bring line of sight above the barrier so folk can actually see when sitting at european games!.

Looking at them again it does seem that they've been purposely designed for our steeper gradient stands. More like a bar stool, as you say for a better line of sight when required to be sat on.

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55 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

 

Why would people be sitting or wanting to sit in a safe standing area? 

 

I think safe standing isn't allowed in European games. Sure I read somewhere that the German teams that have safe standing have to convert it to all-seater for their European matches.

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5 minutes ago, Homme said:

Folk might want a seat at half time etc. 

 

Then they'll need to buy a ticket for a seated section, the safe standing seats are locked in place.

 

Safe standing also allows for more fans than seats e.g 3 people standing for every 2 seated so you wouldn't actually have an allocated seat to sit in!

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This means we can replace all the pink faded seats with the seats leaving section G, and we have some spares for when the rodents break some in the roseburn. We can still charge them to be “replaced” and we get safe standing! 

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Just now, Ribble said:

 

Then they'll need to buy a ticket for a seated section, the safe standing seats are locked in place.

 

Safe standing also allows for more fans than seats e.g 3 people standing for every 2 seated so you wouldn't actually have an allocated seat to sit in!

I thought the regs were strictly 1 person 1 seat (even though locked away)? 

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IMO you cannot have safe standing in any 1 section in Tynecastle as there are always people whose view would be affected. It would have to be a whole stand, hence this type of seat to give people a choice. Same would apply to most grounds in Scotland 

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11 minutes ago, Homme said:

I thought the regs were strictly 1 person 1 seat (even though locked away)? 

 

It's not legally restricted to 1:1 ratio, but where clubs struggle to increase capacity through safe standing is both on the depth of each row and also the width of exits. Our stands will have all been designed to allow for the safe coming and going of the seated capacity. Increasing capacity may mean that we'd also need to widen the vomitories and potentially increase things like toilet numbers too.

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28 minutes ago, alanthejambo said:

IMO you cannot have safe standing in any 1 section in Tynecastle as there are always people whose view would be affected. It would have to be a whole stand, hence this type of seat to give people a choice. Same would apply to most grounds in Scotland 

 

Why not? EG lower section N would be fine if we closed just the top row of that section. That said, I thought it was that our stand is too steep for the 'safe standing'. But perhaps these new style seats are allowed on slightly steeper stands... 

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