Emiliano Sala (NHC) - merged

[ShedBoy]

Not to be a conspiracy theorist. But it is possible to switch the transponder off. And go ‘missing’. I take it he received his 10% signing on fee?.........

Edited January 25, 2019 by ShedBoy

[Thumper]

10 hours ago, Taffin said:

 

 

Don't speak that either ????

 

You don't speak MH370?

[DETTY29]

A bit in Mail in Sunday about how the transfer was conducted.

 

Cardiff likely to lose out c.£15m.

 

Sala's transfer fee covered by by insurance but all add ons including let's face it, snouts in the trough fees, not.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-6661473/Emiliano-Sala-pawn-sordid-transfer-shames-football.html

 

Edited February 3, 2019 by DETTY29

[Kendoll]

3 hours ago, DETTY29 said:

A bit in Mail in Sunday about how the transfer was conducted.

 

Cardiff likely to lose out c.£15m.

 

Sala's transfer fee covered by by insurance but all add ons including let's face it, snouts in the trough fees, not.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-6661473/Emiliano-Sala-pawn-sordid-transfer-shames-football.html

 

Just an aside, that article says that Waldemar Kita owns a penis enlargement company. Is this a real thing? I thought it was just clickbait to steal personal information?? 

 

Asking for a friend of course. 

 

But actually, is that a real thing? 

[Jammy T]

Agents are scum.

 

Is Willie McKay Scottish?

[...a bit disco]

20 minutes ago, Jammy T said:

Agents are scum.

 

Is Willie McKay Scottish?

 

Apparently so.

 

Shady af if his wiki page is anything to go by.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_McKay

[OTT]

40 minutes ago, ...a bit disco said:

 

Apparently so.

 

Shady af if his wiki page is anything to go by.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_McKay

 

Saw his laddies are at Cardiff. The one that plays striker failed at airdrieonians and both of them get a move to Cardiff, seems like their dad is getting them moves they frankly don't deserve. 

[Dean Winchester]

Plane has been found

 

https://news.sky.com/story/emiliano-sala-missing-premier-league-footballers-plane-found-11627529

[Homme]

As above. Wreckage has been found in the sea bed. 

 

Some closure for the family I hope. 

 

Also, only found due to the donations of players, fans and the whole football family to resume the search. Just a game after all. 

Edited February 3, 2019 by Homme

[Phil Dunphy]

38 minutes ago, Homme said:

As above. Wreckage has been found in the sea bed. 

 

Some closure for the family I hope. 

 

Also, only found due to the donations of players, fans and the whole football family to resume the search. Just a game after all. 

 

I hope that any leftover money will go to the family of the pilot.

[Morgan]

33 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said:

 

I hope that any leftover money will go to the family of the pilot.

Yes Phil, good point. ?

 

Why, just because we are on a football site, should non-footballing folk be forgotten about?

 

Well said man.

[Better call Saul]

Do small planes have black boxes ? 

[Rabbie_Burns]

15 minutes ago, Ferris Bueller said:

Do small planes have black boxes ? 

 

Not by legal requirement though it should have a transponder fitted

[Des Lynam]

9 hours ago, Phil Dunphy said:

 

I hope that any leftover money will go to the family of the pilot.

 

Well said Phil. 

 

The demonisation of the pilot by some unsavoury elements of the press have been shameful. 

[OTT]

9 hours ago, Phil Dunphy said:

 

I hope that any leftover money will go to the family of the pilot.

 

Yeah good point. Its very easy to overlook the pilot in all of this. 

 

Given the resources Cardiff and Nantes have I wonder if some sort of benefit game preseason could be held to help both families out.

[Taffin]

20 minutes ago, Des Lynam said:

 

Well said Phil. 

 

The demonisation of the pilot by some unsavoury elements of the press have been shameful. 

 

By the sounds of it, a lot of the blame has to lie with him so not sure it's entirely unfair.

[William H. Bonney]

A body has been spotted in the wreckage. 

[iantjambo]

6 hours ago, Rabbie_Burns said:

 

Not by legal requirement though it should have a transponder fitted

 

Aren't all planes meant to be equipped with flight data recorders?

 

If not, they should.

[Footballfirst]

28 minutes ago, Dino Velvet said:

A body has been spotted in the wreckage. 

Confirmed in the latest AAIB report

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/aaib-investigation-into-the-loss-of-aircraft-n264db

 

Update 3: 4 February 2019

Having identified a priority search area last week, the AAIB agreed a search strategy with Blue Water Recoveries Ltd to maximise the chance of locating the aircraft wreckage.

The AAIB commissioned specialist vessel Geo Ocean III and Blue Water Recoveries Ltd commissioned FPV Morven and the search area was divided between the vessels. Both vessels began their search on the morning of Sunday 3 February.

Early in the search, the Morven identified an object of interest on the seabed using its side-scan sonar equipment. It cleared the immediate area for the Geo Ocean III to use its underwater remotely operated vehicle (ROV) to survey the area of the seabed in which the object was located. Based on analysis of ROV video footage, the AAIB investigators on board the vessel concluded that the object is wreckage from the missing Piper Malibu aircraft, registration N264DB.

The ROV carried out a further search of the area overnight, but did not identify any additional pieces of wreckage.

Tragically, in video footage from the ROV, one occupant is visible amidst the wreckage. The AAIB is now considering the next steps, in consultation with the families of the pilot and passenger, and the police.

The image shows the rear left side of the fuselage including part of the aircraft registration.

We intend to publish an interim report within one month of the accident occurring.

[Maroon Sailor]

I hope both bodies are in the wreckage for the sake of both families

[Morgan]

5 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said:

I hope both bodies are in the wreckage for the sake of both families

? For sure.

[Maroon Sailor]

1 minute ago, Morgan said:

? For sure.

 

Good chance as the plane has not broken up by the look of it

 

 

[Rabbie_Burns]

27 minutes ago, iantjambo said:

 

Aren't all planes meant to be equipped with flight data recorders?

 

If not, they should.

 

Far as I'm aware all fare paying passenger carrying planes do require to have them installed but not the case with private / light aircraft. Apart from the obvious expense these bits of kit are also punitively heavy making them unatractrive prospects for smaller planes

[Mikey1874]

This story might not be all it seems. 

 

Do Nantes think Cardiff are trying to get out of paying? Or did a standard debt recovery letter issued get taken out of context?

 

 

[upgotheheads]

On 04/02/2019 at 12:47, Rabbie_Burns said:

 

Far as I'm aware all fare paying passenger carrying planes do require to have them installed but not the case with private / light aircraft. Apart from the obvious expense these bits of kit are also punitively heavy making them unatractrive prospects for smaller planes

It will depend on the weight and capacity of the aircraft, and the air operators certificate of the company. I'd be surprised if this aircraft and operator required one.

 

[Shanks]

22 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

This story might not be all it seems. 

 

Do Nantes think Cardiff are trying to get out of paying? Or did a standard debt recovery letter issued get taken out of context?

 

 

 

Don't see what Nantes have done wrong here.  Bit of a non-story really

[OTT]

Terrible situation for Nantes but thats the reality of the situation for them. Don't think anyone can or should blame them. I wonder whats going to happen with his contract - is it voided now?

[frankblack]

5 minutes ago, OTT said:

Terrible situation for Nantes but thats the reality of the situation for them. Don't think anyone can or should blame them. I wonder whats going to happen with his contract - is it voided now?

 

Looks like lawyers are going to make a mint here on both sides resolving this.

[Bauld]

I imagine this will end up something along the lines of Cardiff pay Nantes what they are due and Cardiff will/should have insurance in place to then recover the fee.

[Mikey1874]

2 minutes ago, Bauld said:

I imagine this will end up something along the lines of Cardiff pay Nantes what they are due and Cardiff will/should have insurance in place to then recover the fee.

 

Or Cardiff get out of paying anything if contract wasn't written properly. 

[Unknown user]

2 minutes ago, Bauld said:

I imagine this will end up something along the lines of Cardiff pay Nantes what they are due and Cardiff will/should have insurance in place to then recover the fee.

I read that it'll cost Cardiff 30 million in transfer fees and agents fees, but they only have 15 million of insurance. 

 

Nantes' payments are spread over three years, 50% of it will go to his former club, bordeaux IIRC.

[NANOJAMBO]

On 04/02/2019 at 12:47, Rabbie_Burns said:

 

Far as I'm aware all fare paying passenger carrying planes do require to have them installed but not the case with private / light aircraft. Apart from the obvious expense these bits of kit are also punitively heavy making them unatractrive prospects for smaller planes

I've been in two light planes, both single engines. You simply wouldn't get in the cockpit with a parachute on and there was nowhere to store one just in case. 

[Alva-Jambo]

Death traps over water.   Cardiff just unfortunate  I assume they must pay up.   I hope they insure their players against death or serious injury. Maybe to say,  2 or 3 million.  I don't know though

 

[Alva-Jambo]

why would the contract be voided?  I cannot see it

 

[Spellczech]

2 hours ago, OTT said:

Terrible situation for Nantes but thats the reality of the situation for them. Don't think anyone can or should blame them. I wonder whats going to happen with his contract - is it voided now?

Seems odd that they are pushing for the money so soon - guessing it increases pressure on Cardiff as the death is still in the news. Seems Cardiff don't even have 30 days payment terms! 

[Cruyff Turn]

I thought Nantes chairman is quite disgusting demanding payment for a dead man who’s body is lying in a plane at the bottom of the sea. 

Let the guy be recovered and returned to his family in Argentina and then discuss it quietly and respectfully. 

I’m sure Cardiff will tell them to jog on anyway as I think whoever hired that death trap will be liable and I’m not even sure if all paperwork was fully completed. 

Whatever way it goes I’m sure it’ll set a precedent in some form. 

[Swanny17]

2 hours ago, Alva-Jambo said:

why would the contract be voided?  I cannot see it

 

 

It’s unlikely to be fulfilled in fairness....

[Mikey1874]

The body has now been recovered from wreckage. Still to be identified. 

Edited February 6, 2019 by Mikey1874

[chubby1973]

Just been confirmed the body is sala's

[Mikey1874]

3 minutes ago, chubby1973 said:

Just been confirmed the body is sala's

 

 

 

[siegementality]

2 minutes ago, Barack said:

Pilot lost at sea then.

 

Shame for the family not to have a burial.

 

 

It’s all very, very sad.

[mutchy1]

Rip sala

[Ibrahim Tall]

On 06/02/2019 at 21:55, Cruyff Turn said:

I thought Nantes chairman is quite disgusting demanding payment for a dead man who’s body is lying in a plane at the bottom of the sea. 

Let the guy be recovered and returned to his family in Argentina and then discuss it quietly and respectfully. 

I’m sure Cardiff will tell them to jog on anyway as I think whoever hired that death trap will be liable and I’m not even sure if all paperwork was fully completed. 

Whatever way it goes I’m sure it’ll set a precedent in some form. 

 

Cardiff wouldn't have a leg to stand on telling Nantes to 'jog on' though. 

He was a Cardiff player when he died, everything was signed and he'd been announced. He was only back in France to say goodbye and the plane was nothing to do with Nantes either. 

Yes they can probably claim back the money in insurance or compensation from elsewhere but Nantes will still need to be paid by Cardiff.(& Bordeaux by Nantes)

[Mikey1874]

59 minutes ago, Ibrahim Tall said:

 

Cardiff wouldn't have a leg to stand on telling Nantes to 'jog on' though. 

He was a Cardiff player when he died, everything was signed and he'd been announced. He was only back in France to say goodbye and the plane was nothing to do with Nantes either. 

Yes they can probably claim back the money in insurance or compensation from elsewhere but Nantes will still need to be paid by Cardiff.(& Bordeaux by Nantes)

 

If the contract is worded correctly. Who knows what clauses and possible gets outs might be in it. Cardiff seem to think it is worth checking. 

[Cruyff Turn]

2 hours ago, Ibrahim Tall said:

 

Cardiff wouldn't have a leg to stand on telling Nantes to 'jog on' though. 

He was a Cardiff player when he died, everything was signed and he'd been announced. He was only back in France to say goodbye and the plane was nothing to do with Nantes either. 

Yes they can probably claim back the money in insurance or compensation from elsewhere but Nantes will still need to be paid by Cardiff.(& Bordeaux by Nantes)

Nah, I don’t think Cardiff will pay anything, this will end up in court.

 

Whoever is found to be “negligent in ‘their’ Duty of Care” towards Sala will be liable to pay to the transfer fee, to pay Cardiff for the loss of their asset and liable to Sala’s family for the loss of a loved one. Not just the 15million.

[kirkierobroy]

Will surely end up in court but it would be good if Nantes could desist from saying 'Geez the money' and Cardiff could desist from saying 'Naw' until sometime after the lad is buried.

[132goals1958]

Maybe it is the eternal optimist in me ( I know life doesn't work like this) but what a gesture it would be if the two top tiers in France and England -20 teams apiece would donate £375000 each to resolve the issue. Alternatively FIFA ,UEFA release some funds as a humane gesture  --------but on reflection I need to come back out of cloud cuckoo land. 

 

[Unknown user]

2 hours ago, Cruyff Turn said:

Nah, I don’t think Cardiff will pay anything, this will end up in court.

 

Whoever is found to be “negligent in ‘their’ Duty of Care” towards Sala will be liable to pay to the transfer fee, to pay Cardiff for the loss of their asset and liable to Sala’s family for the loss of a loved one. Not just the 15million.

Transfer fees are generally activated by the transfer of registration. Assuming his registration was transferred to Cardiff they don't have a leg to stand on, anything that happened after the transfer has no legal bearing on whether the agreed fee is due.

 

Cardiff suing someone is a separate issue, maybe they can and maybe they can't, but in the meantime they're due Nantes the agreed transfer fee.

[Cruyff Turn]

24 minutes ago, Smithee said:

Transfer fees are generally activated by the transfer of registration. Assuming his registration was transferred to Cardiff they don't have a leg to stand on, anything that happened after the transfer has no legal bearing on whether the agreed fee is due.

 

Cardiff suing someone is a separate issue, maybe they can and maybe they can't, but in the meantime they're due Nantes the agreed transfer fee.

I’m not to sure it’s as black and white as that Smithee as this is the first time anything like this has potentially happened.

 

If you bought a house and the day you were handed the keys it fell down? 

 

Or if you bought a car and the minute you drove out of the showroom the wheels fell off? 

 

Would you be paying for that asset?

 

After all Sala was an asset and Cardiff never received that asset. Nantes the seller are of course due payment and will receive it without a doubt but whether that payment comes from Cardiff, transfer agreed or not is debatable. 

 

Insurance companies won’t pay out until there is an investigation into who was responsible. 

 

If it were a complete accident and not down to pilot error or due to the plane being in a state of disrepair or whatever, then Cardiff will probably have to pay.

 

But until then I’m sure this will be in the hands of lawyers. 

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, Cruyff Turn said:

I’m not to sure it’s as black and white as that Smithee as this is the first time anything like this has potentially happened.

 

If you bought a house and the day you were handed the keys it fell down? 

 

Or if you bought a car and the minute you drove out of the showroom the wheels fell off? 

 

Would you be paying for that asset?

 

After all Sala was an asset and Cardiff never received that asset. Nantes the seller are of course due payment and will receive it without a doubt but whether that payment comes from Cardiff, transfer agreed or not is debatable. 

 

Insurance companies won’t pay out until there is an investigation into who was responsible. 

 

If it were a complete accident and not down to pilot error or due to the plane being in a state of disrepair or whatever, then Cardiff will probably have to pay.

 

But until then I’m sure this will be in the hands of lawyers. 

The asset is actually his registration, if they received that then they'll need to pay. The car and house analogies don't really work, if there were faults hidden you'd probably have a claim, if it was just bad luck it's your bad luck as the new owner. 

 

What happens after the transfer of registration is none of Nantes' business, the transaction was completed as agreed and they're due payment. 

 

We'll see how it transpires of course but I'd be very surprised if things didn't pan out this way