iantjambo Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) Not looking good at all does it? Even if he and the pilot survive a crash into the channel, you can’t imagine they would survive very long in the freezing water. Hopefully some good news comes out. I’m very sceptical though unfortunately Edited January 22, 2019 by iantjambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 33 minutes ago, Jambo_in_Hamilton said: not really appropriate Ye it wasn't at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman1874 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, rudi must stay said: Ye it wasn't at all Surely some sort of sick joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampden Demolition Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 Now updated to ‘missing, presumed dead’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsalldothebeattie Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, Hampden Demolition said: Now updated to ‘missing, presumed dead’. Hardly surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotter Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 5 hours ago, Sir Gio said: I believe they are meant to be safer, they can work with propellers even if the engine fails, or so I was told when I went on one to Wick. Luckily for me I got a calm day Not entirely true, in the event that the engine fails you 'feather' the propeller so that it doesn't cause excessive drag as the air hits it. Feathering basically means rotating the propeller blades so that they are side on to the oncoming air, thus presenting the smallest possible cross-sectional area. As long as you were moving forward fast enough when the engine failed, the wings provide enough lift to allow you to glide for a while and find somewhere to set it down. Compare and contrast with a helicopter. As the blades also provide the lift as well as forward motion, in the event of an engine failure you want the air coming through them as you drop to keep them spinning and keep you in the air. That's why helicopter rotors are designed to 'decouple' from the driveshaft and plane engines aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, trotter said: Not entirely true, in the event that the engine fails you 'feather' the propeller so that it doesn't cause excessive drag as the air hits it. Feathering basically means rotating the propeller blades so that they are side on to the oncoming air, thus presenting the smallest possible cross-sectional area. As long as you were moving forward fast enough when the engine failed, the wings provide enough lift to allow you to glide for a while and find somewhere to set it down. Compare and contrast with a helicopter. As the blades also provide the lift as well as forward motion, in the event of an engine failure you want the air coming through them as you drop to keep them spinning and keep you in the air. That's why helicopter rotors are designed to 'decouple' from the driveshaft and plane engines aren't. I was happy to believe the guy that told me before I got on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavropol Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Awful news and thoughts with his family. Crazy to think life can just end that quickly.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotter Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 8 hours ago, Sir Gio said: I was happy to believe the guy that told me before I got on Sorry to collapse your beliefs system ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsalldothebeattie Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 It’s come out, he may have been joking with friends, he may have known what was happening, but he sent a voice recorded message on WhatsApp saying “he’s on a plane that looks like it’s about to fall apart” before going on to say he was scared and has been claimed he sent a message to a former team mate saying “if you don’t find me you know what happened” Imagine knowing what was coming and not being able to do anything about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braminho Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Poor sod, what a thought ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crete Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Thinking of his family and friends at this sad time . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 21 hours ago, Sir Gio said: Frankie Dettori would probably agree with you. Private planes/helicopters, don't think I would ever do it to be honest. Me either, nothing to do with the financial constraints, just don't fancy it. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, Sir Gio said: I was happy to believe the guy that told me before I got on Still a lot safer that helicopter. As Trotter said, you can keep a small plane in the air if you're going fast enough when the engine fails. You've no chance in a helicopter. I've been on a helicopter once (although multiple stops) and the door came open half-way through the flight (my knee knocked the lever out of place), didn't come all the way home but all of sudden heard a loud 'sssshhhhhh' sound. I actually thought the back rotor had gone, turned around to have a look and could just see sky and then the ground between the my door and the rest of the helicopter. Pilot told me to just grab the handle and hold in place until we landed. As far as incidents on helicopters go, it probably wasn't even registerable and everyone else (bar one person) on board was pretty calm about it but I was like Father Ted in that airplane episode afterwards. On this story, it's absolutely heart wrenching and terribly unlucky. Hopefully we find out fairly quickly what happened, I've not read everything but seems like there's a lot of unknowns at the moment. Was there any mayday calls? Seems strange that Sala is able to send Whatsapp messages about perceived issues with the plane but the first alert of something going wrong appears to be when the aircraft went missing from radar. Edited January 23, 2019 by Toggie88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudiHMFC Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Toggie88 said: Still a lot safer that helicopter. As Trotter said, you can keep a small plane in the air if you're going fast enough when the engine fails. You've no chance in a helicopter. I've been on a helicopter once (although multiple stops) and the door came open half-way through the flight (my knee knocked the lever out of place), didn't come all the way home but all of sudden heard a loud 'sssshhhhhh' sound. I actually thought the back rotor had gone, turned around to have a look and could just see sky and then the ground between the my door and the rest of the helicopter. Pilot told me to just grab the handle and hold in place until we landed. As far as incidents on helicopters go, it probably wasn't even registerable and everyone else (bar one person) on board was pretty calm about it but I was like Father Ted in that airplane episode afterwards. On this story, it's absolutely heart wrenching and terribly unlucky. Hopefully we find out fairly quickly what happened, I've not read everything but seems like there's a lot of unknowns at the moment. Was there any mayday calls? Seems strange that Sala is able to send Whatsapp messages about perceived issues with the plane but the first alert of something going wrong appears to be when the aircraft went missing from radar. The pilot made a call asking to descend before the plane vanished apparently. Could have been he got disorientated in bad weather or maybe the plane was giving him faulty information due to parts of the plane icing over. I've heard that's happened before in other plane crashes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 minute ago, RudiHMFC said: The pilot made a call asking to descend before the plane vanished apparently. Could have been he got disorientated in bad weather or maybe the plane was giving him faulty information due to parts of the plane icing over. I've heard that's happened before in other plane crashes. Ah - hadn't seen that. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 38 minutes ago, Toggie88 said: Still a lot safer that helicopter. As Trotter said, you can keep a small plane in the air if you're going fast enough when the engine fails. You've no chance in a helicopter. I've been on a helicopter once (although multiple stops) and the door came open half-way through the flight (my knee knocked the lever out of place), didn't come all the way home but all of sudden heard a loud 'sssshhhhhh' sound. I actually thought the back rotor had gone, turned around to have a look and could just see sky and then the ground between the my door and the rest of the helicopter. Pilot told me to just grab the handle and hold in place until we landed. As far as incidents on helicopters go, it probably wasn't even registerable and everyone else (bar one person) on board was pretty calm about it but I was like Father Ted in that airplane episode afterwards. On this story, it's absolutely heart wrenching and terribly unlucky. Hopefully we find out fairly quickly what happened, I've not read everything but seems like there's a lot of unknowns at the moment. Was there any mayday calls? Seems strange that Sala is able to send Whatsapp messages about perceived issues with the plane but the first alert of something going wrong appears to be when the aircraft went missing from radar. Sala said in his message, "I'm in a plane that is falling apart". Makes it worse, they had a fair idea they were in a lot of trouble. I am no aviation expert as is obvious from the thread, but the lack of communication from 2500ft, gives me the impression that there would have been catastrophic failure at that point. Sadly all you can hope for now, it was quick for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Sala said in his message, "I'm in a plane that is falling apart". Makes it worse, they had a fair idea they were in a lot of trouble. I am no aviation expert as is obvious from the thread, but the lack of communication from 2500ft, gives me the impression that there would have been catastrophic failure at that point. Sadly all you can hope for now, it was quick for them. The fact that he flew FROM Cardiff previously in the same plane and commented on its decrepit state is chilling. BIG questions to be answered about who, why was this plane/pilot/company used. If it's because it was the likes of the cheapest quote, well!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Sala said in his message, "I'm in a plane that is falling apart". Makes it worse, they had a fair idea they were in a lot of trouble. I am no aviation expert as is obvious from the thread, but the lack of communication from 2500ft, gives me the impression that there would have been catastrophic failure at that point. Sadly all you can hope for now, it was quick for them. He seemed very calm in the message (though I don't speak French) from the tone of his voice. It sounded to me like he had sent it prior to take off, which I read somewhere they made multiple attempts at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsalldothebeattie Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Taffin said: He seemed very calm in the message (though I don't speak French) from the tone of his voice. It sounded to me like he had sent it prior to take off, which I read somewhere they made multiple attempts at. Saw the same think it said it took 3 or 4 attempts which is worrying in itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 29 minutes ago, colinmaroon said: The fact that he flew FROM Cardiff previously in the same plane and commented on its decrepit state is chilling. BIG questions to be answered about who, why was this plane/pilot/company used. If it's because it was the likes of the cheapest quote, well!!! Seems he hired it himself, according to Cardiff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsalldothebeattie Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Just seen a bit saying his ex girlfriend tweeted but deleted a message saying she doesn’t believe this was an accident and it’s down to the football mafia. Strange thing to tweet. Makes you think he was into something dodgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Poor bugger, I hope they at least find his body so his family can have a proper send off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masonic Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, letsalldothebeattie said: Just seen a bit saying his ex girlfriend tweeted but deleted a message saying she doesn’t believe this was an accident and it’s down to the football mafia. Strange thing to tweet. Makes you think he was into something dodgy links? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsalldothebeattie Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Masonic said: links? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/8259934/emiliano-sala-girlfriend-football-mafia-plane-crash/amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masonic Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 minute ago, letsalldothebeattie said: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/8259934/emiliano-sala-girlfriend-football-mafia-plane-crash/amp/ thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 hours ago, letsalldothebeattie said: Saw the same think it said it took 3 or 4 attempts which is worrying in itself Yeh, really sad. Strikes me he didn't have much confidence in the flight long before it went off radar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 3 hours ago, letsalldothebeattie said: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/8259934/emiliano-sala-girlfriend-football-mafia-plane-crash/amp/ She's got really short legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 It's amazing how tabloids manage to work loads of pictures of a burd in a bikini to every story that happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 The search has now been concluded. Nothing found, unfortunately. Tragic event Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) On 22/01/2019 at 11:28, Sir Gio said: I believe they are meant to be safer, they can work with propellers even if the engine fails, or so I was told when I went on one to Wick. Luckily for me I got a calm day I know a few folk have already commented to you on this but thought you might enioy this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/49701-private-planes-safety.html Edited January 24, 2019 by AlphonseCapone Changed horrific link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muppetboy Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 This story defies belief. It's one of those incidents that is a struggle to comprehend and process. Listened to his whatsapp voice message and was welling up. Absolute tragedy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 It would be a small consolation if they found him and the pilot but that’s looking increasingly unlikely. Poor guy, taken in his prime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 3 hours ago, AlphonseCapone said: I know a few folk have already commented to you on this but thought you might enioy this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/49701-private-planes-safety.html Sponsored article by Amtrak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Cruyff Turn said: It would be a small consolation if they found him and the pilot but that’s looking increasingly unlikely. Poor guy, taken in his prime. Are they suggesting he will never be found? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny17 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 A very tragic situation, and I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I can’t understand why a PL player would be flying in such a small aircraft instead of getting a 1st class seat with BA to Bristol. We may never know unfortunately. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 19 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Are they suggesting he will never be found? No they haven’t although if a plane crashes in the sea, it’s unlikely that they’ll find anyone. They might even be looking in the wrong place just like that MH17 that disappeared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 38 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Are they suggesting he will never be found? It's a tiny aircraft sitting at the bottom of the sea. Very unlikely to be found now unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Swanny17 said: A very tragic situation, and I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I can’t understand why a PL player would be flying in such a small aircraft instead of getting a 1st class seat with BA to Bristol. We may never know unfortunately. ? It was his agent Mark McKay that organised the flight but denies owning the plane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said: No they haven’t although if a plane crashes in the sea, it’s unlikely that they’ll find anyone. They might even be looking in the wrong place just like that MH17 that disappeared. 5 minutes ago, DC_92 said: It's a tiny aircraft sitting at the bottom of the sea. Very unlikely to be found now unfortunately. That's incredibly sad. Thought there might be something more obvious than the Malaysian flight and a smaller defined search area. Any chance they would wash up at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Sir Gio said: That's incredibly sad. Thought there might be something more obvious than the Malaysian flight and a smaller defined search area. Any chance they would wash up at all? Commercial aircraft like MH370 are fitted with black boxes which keep transmitting provided they survive the crash, so there was some hope there. This plane won't have anything like that unfortunately. I suppose it's possible they could wash up somewhere if they were thrown from the plane, although I'm not sure how likely that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, DC_92 said: Commercial aircraft like MH370 are fitted with black boxes which keep transmitting provided they survive the crash, so there was some hope there. This plane won't have anything like that unfortunately. I suppose it's possible they could wash up somewhere if they were thrown from the plane, although I'm not sure how likely that is. Not knowing surely the hardest thing. Terribly sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimosavi Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Unbelievable We all know how cold its been of late. Even if by some miracle they survived the plane crash then in that sea, in this weather you'd need to found within hours. Its been 4 days and nobody even if alive, nobody could survive those conditions, i just hope they find the bodies for closure and a full investigation is underway. These small planes and helicopters are death traps in adverse weather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Not knowing surely the hardest thing. Terribly sad That’s the worst part. Brutal. Good player as well, might have kept Cardiff up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, kimosavi said: Unbelievable We all know how cold its been of late. Even if by some miracle they survived the plane crash then in that sea, in this weather you'd need to found within hours. Its been 4 days and nobody even if alive, nobody could survive those conditions, i just hope they find the bodies for closure and a full investigation is underway. These small planes and helicopters are death traps in adverse weather In these waters at this time of year you are talking minutes before your body shuts down. If your unconscious or badly injured then who knows. Killed on impact? It’s a sad fact you hit the water then you are as good as dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedBoy Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 The whole thing is an absolute cluster. Flying at night having allegedly taking 4 attempts to take off??? Mental. WTF was the pilot thinking of? Single engine aircraft, icy conditions, potential for icing on wings and fuel icing, probably hence why he asked to descend rapidly. Both men should’ve been wearing immersion suits as its single engine and a 2 man life raft should’ve been on board.Them’s the rules ??? a crying shame. If only he’d listened to Ken Choo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 On 23/01/2019 at 10:00, Taffin said: He seemed very calm in the message (though I don't speak French) from the tone of his voice. It sounded to me like he had sent it prior to take off, which I read somewhere they made multiple attempts at. The message was in Spanish. 9 hours ago, Cruyff Turn said: No they haven’t although if a plane crashes in the sea, it’s unlikely that they’ll find anyone. They might even be looking in the wrong place just like that MH17 that disappeared. You mean MH370. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 It took 50 years to find a USAF plane that crashed in the channel. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-46624382 And that was a Hercules, the plane Sala was in was only a fraction of the size. Given it seems to have sunk completely without trace it could be a really long time before they find anything unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Thumper said: The message was in Spanish. You mean MH370. Don't speak that either ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 This is a really tragedy, but there are also parts of them story that are intriguing (perhaps not the right word). I read that that the pilot was joking on social media how he was a bit ‘rusty’ with thiw type of landing equipment on board. A strange thing to boast about. Now there is an investigation to see if the pilot was paid, as his licence did not allow him to be paid to carry a passenger. We we also heard the bizarre comments from his ex girlfriend. Then his sister has alluded to something going on, but said now was not the time to go further. I also found his agent’s comments odd. Did he really say neither he or his family owned the plane or had a financial interest in it? Was this ever suggested? Easy to say now, but if I was that scared, I do not think I would have travelled. Nevertheless, a real tragedy. A young man has almost certainly lost his life, as has the pilot. The lack of 100% certainly must be awful for the families too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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