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merrymac
12 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said:

Scottish Football is not fit for purpose. 

Just read some of the posts above. We should not be in a position where we need to vent our spleen on the obvious corruption that’s plagued Scottish Football for years now.

And they are so far up their own a***s that they think the rest of Scottish football believe and accept it.

Unfortunately the rest of the teams are so cowed that they just suck it up and accept it,happy to receive the crumbs from their table.

Until the other teams collectively "grow a pair" nothing will ever change unfortunately.

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Coolio
3 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

And Collum saw Ryan Stevenson crunch Mcpake and did nothing (supposedly ruling out the need for the CO to intervene) but still he did iirc.

 

Excellent point.

 

However, it would appear that: -

 

"The Compliance Officer can only raise a Fast Track Notice of Complaint and take retrospective action when an on field incident, or an exceptional part of an on field incident, has been unseen by the match officials".

 

an exceptional part of an on field incident is no doubt defined as any act committed by a diddy player whilst playing for a diddy team where the Referee claims he "saw the incident but not clearly, therefore didn't administer the relevant punishment at the time".  

The outcome, via the Compliance Officer, being a suspension for said player, resulting in a loss that players services to the detriment of said diddy team's ability to compete on a level playing field in relation to the 2 Glasgow non-diddy teams who are exempt from said punishments due to the uproar that would ensue and  subsequent adverse news coverage that would result.

 

F*****g scandal of biblical proportions.

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Seymour M Hersh
1 minute ago, Coolio said:

 

Excellent point.

 

However, it would appear that: -

 

"The Compliance Officer can only raise a Fast Track Notice of Complaint and take retrospective action when an on field incident, or an exceptional part of an on field incident, has been unseen by the match officials".

 

an exceptional part of an on field incident is no doubt defined as any act committed by a diddy player whilst playing for a diddy team where the Referee claims he "saw the incident but not clearly, therefore didn't administer the relevant punishment at the time".  

The outcome, via the Compliance Officer, being a suspension for said player, resulting in a loss that players services to the detriment of said diddy team's ability to compete on a level playing field in relation to the 2 Glasgow non-diddy teams who are exempt from said punishments due to the uproar that would ensue and  subsequent adverse news coverage that would result.

 

F*****g scandal of biblical proportions.

 

More like when Mcpake, the vermin and the BBC pundits screamed bloody murder for a few days. 

 

As you say though the GFA are a complete scandal in their ru(i)ning of he game. They are so cocky about it they don't even try to hide their bias and making it up as they go along style anymore. 

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DVB

It’s a joke

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Rudolf
5 hours ago, kila said:

 

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Compliance & Disciplinary Q&A


The following Q&A will help to clarify a number of points which have been the subject of debate, discussion and, in some cases, misrepresentation in recent weeks. 

 


Can the Compliance Officer take retrospective action for on-field incidents?


The Compliance Officer can only raise a Fast Track Notice of Complaint and take retrospective action when an on field incident, or an exceptional part of an on field incident, has been unseen by the match officials.


When investigating a potential Fast Track case, the Compliance Officer does not seek any opinion on the incident from the match officials, or ask them to reconsider any decision made. This has not changed. The decision of the referee regarding facts connected with play will always be respected in line with the Laws of the Game. It is for this reason that the disciplinary rules relating to retrospective action only come into effect when an incident, or part of an incident, is unseen by the match officials.


When the match officials confirm an on field incident is unseen, the Compliance Officer seeks opinions from three independent experts. Those experts are drawn from a pool of former Category 1 referees, who are up to date with current refereeing guidelines. A Fast Track Notice of Complaint can only competently be raised when all three experts provide written evidence that the incident constituted a sending off offence.

 


How does the Claims process work?


In certain circumstances a player or a club can raise a Claim against a wrongful dismissal, mistaken identity, or wrongful caution for simulation.


A specially trained Fast Track Tribunal determines whether there has been an obvious refereeing error based on the case put forward by the player/club, a factual report by the referee, and the relevant laws of the game. Every Fast Track Tribunal includes an expert on the Laws of the Game. If it is determined that an obvious refereeing error has been made, the disciplinary action taken by the match referee can be rescinded by the Fast Track Tribunal.


It should be noted that the Compliance Officer is not involved in the Claims process. In addition, the disciplinary department itself does not make any decision on whether a sanction should be imposed, or a red card rescinded.

 


Has the system changed this season?


The rules relating to the Claims procedure and Fast Track Notices of Complaint changed for season 2018/19 following extensive consultation across the Scottish footballing family.


There was input on the proposed revisions to Section 13 of the Judicial Panel Protocol (relating to Fast Track Proceedings) from a range of different stakeholders. This included clubs, players’ representatives, the Head of Referee Operations, and the Scottish Senior Football Referees Association. All parties agreed that the revisions were appropriate and necessary.

 


What information is published?


A focussed effort has been made by to improve transparency and understanding of the disciplinary processes this season. 


The disciplinary section of the Scottish FA website makes available all of the recent determinations of the disciplinary tribunals. It also includes full written reasons for each of the cases determined by a Fast Track Tribunal. Those reasons may include excerpts from the referee’s statement. Referees are advised as part of the process that the statements provided by them are evidence, to be considered by the Tribunal.


The Judicial Panel Protocol and the Scottish FA’s Handbook are also available online.


The fully searchable disciplinary section of the website can be found here - https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/football-governance/disciplinary/disciplinary-updates/.

 


In summary


We are committed to enforcing the highest standards of behaviour and professionalism across the Scottish game.


It is our responsibility to protect match officials and the integrity of the Laws of the Game and apply our disciplinary rules with fairness and consistency. 

Utter tripe...

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gorgie rd eh11

The compliance officer in Scottish football i a f*****g joke. A cheat bowing to the old firm like every other part of Scottish football. 

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cocomac
6 hours ago, Dannie Boy said:

So Beaton seen Morelos kick and hit out 3 times but thought naw nothing in it !! They really do treat us with contempt.

So Beaton  did not apply the rules,  what is the consequence for him? 

If any of us made such errors or ignored the rules of our employers,  we would be fired !!! Why is he not even being interviewed by them about it? Given a written warning? Or disciplined in some way? 

I am really disturbed by the way the SFA are handling this. I thought the appointment of Maxi was a good thing in terms of a neutral position, knowing him, I don't believe he is making this decision. So it's down to the fans to show we will not accept cheats. If Beaton is given another game to referee then we should all have a mass protest against it. And repeat until he is fired or a proper explanation is given about his blatant poor refereeing.   Why should we pay money to watch a fair competition ruined by a chest. No action. By the SFA requires a FIFA investigation into our game. 

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Icon of Symmetry
35 minutes ago, gorgie rd eh11 said:

The compliance officer in Scottish football i a f*****g joke. A cheat bowing to the old firm like every other part of Scottish football. 

 

A racket. I’ve said as much from the very first time the position was created. Needs scrapped right now.

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part_time_jambo
14 hours ago, Koolkeith said:

So basically they’re saying it’s up to the Ref to look back and decide if he’s missed anything?  In this instance Beaton has looked back and doesn’t think they’re worth a ban. ?‍♂️

Did Beaton not say earlier this week that he didn't get the chance to give his revised opinion on the incidents after having seen them again? Not trying to defend him, because seeing and ignoring 3 seperate incidents is poor refereeing.

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Deevers

A summary of rules that really mean SFA when it comes to these arseholes dealing with either side of the Old Filth.  Why do they even bother releasing this stuff.

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Nelly Terraces

Comedy gold. They stuck it out on Twitter on a Friday night. Can imagine the response that's getting from folk on there! :laugh2:

 

I actually love the utterly shambolic & amateurish nature of 'Scottish Fitba' - genuinely is stuck in some kind of 1950s vortex - run by utter bellends out their depth who don't actually care that the game is here is unmitigated shite. Gotta hand it to them - couldn't take a blowtorch to their necks! 

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Brick Tamland

Rightly so they are taking a roasting in Twitter. 

The SFA are a shambolic and corrupt joke of an organisation, if it wasn’t for Hearts I would have zero interest in football. 

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DETTY29

Can anyone find the full written summary for Levein's case, not just the charge and eventual decision.

 

It says on the update they are available.

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kila
17 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

Can anyone find the full written summary for Levein's case, not just the charge and eventual decision.

 

It says on the update they are available.

 

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/football-governance/disciplinary/disciplinary-updates/

 

Monday 7 January 2019

Alleged Party in Breach: Craig Levein, Manager, Heart of Midlothian FC

Match: Rangers FC v Heart of Midlothian FC

Date: Sunday 2 December 2018

Competition: SPFL Premiership

Disciplinary Rule allegedly breached:

Disciplinary Rule 72 - No recognised football body, club, official, Team Official or other member of Team Staff, player or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA, shall in an interview, a ‘blog’ on the internet, on a social networking or microblogging site, or in any other manner calculated or likely to lead to publicity (i) criticise the Decision(s) and/or performance(s) of any or all match official(s) in such a way as to indicate bias or incompetence on the part of such match official; or (ii) make remarks about such match official(s) which impinge on his character. For the avoidance of doubt this Rule applies (i) whether reported to the Scottish FA by a match official for Misconduct or otherwise, and (ii) where remarks are brought to the Scottish FA’s attention, or of which the Scottish FA becomes aware, by whatever manner or means. There shall be a presumption that any material published in such manner was published in the name of and/or with the authority of the person or body bearing to have published the material.

Principal hearing date: 7 January 2019

Response date: 24 December 2018

Outcome:  Two match suspension; 1 match immediate and 1 match suspended until the 31 December 2019

 

 

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sairyinthat
17 hours ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said:

:spoton:

It's the Broons and we know who Maw and Paw is and who are the bairns.

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Rudy T

 If proof was required they think nothing through before they act it’s right there.

 

While writing that did none of them think to ask about the numerous cases where those regulations can be questioned and what the fall out would be. Talk about making things worse!

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DETTY29
43 minutes ago, kila said:

 

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/football-governance/disciplinary/disciplinary-updates/

 

Monday 7 January 2019

Alleged Party in Breach: Craig Levein, Manager, Heart of Midlothian FC

Match: Rangers FC v Heart of Midlothian FC

Date: Sunday 2 December 2018

Competition: SPFL Premiership

Disciplinary Rule allegedly breached:

Disciplinary Rule 72 - No recognised football body, club, official, Team Official or other member of Team Staff, player or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA, shall in an interview, a ‘blog’ on the internet, on a social networking or microblogging site, or in any other manner calculated or likely to lead to publicity (i) criticise the Decision(s) and/or performance(s) of any or all match official(s) in such a way as to indicate bias or incompetence on the part of such match official; or (ii) make remarks about such match official(s) which impinge on his character. For the avoidance of doubt this Rule applies (i) whether reported to the Scottish FA by a match official for Misconduct or otherwise, and (ii) where remarks are brought to the Scottish FA’s attention, or of which the Scottish FA becomes aware, by whatever manner or means. There shall be a presumption that any material published in such manner was published in the name of and/or with the authority of the person or body bearing to have published the material.

Principal hearing date: 7 January 2019

Response date: 24 December 2018

Outcome:  Two match suspension; 1 match immediate and 1 match suspended until the 31 December 2019

 

 

Sorry, thats just the charge and outcome.

 

Hope this works.  Someone managed to find the full summary of McKenna's charge and appeal.

 

 

I'd like to see what was said at Levein's meeting but Morelos' v. Aberdeen (to confirm / break the rumour the assistant ref said he actually didnt see anything, and assumed; Brown's deliberately  thuggish red card overturned v. Ross County a couple of seasons back.

 

 

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Horatio Caine
1 hour ago, kila said:

 

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/football-governance/disciplinary/disciplinary-updates/

 

Monday 7 January 2019

Alleged Party in Breach: Craig Levein, Manager, Heart of Midlothian FC

Match: Rangers FC v Heart of Midlothian FC

Date: Sunday 2 December 2018

Competition: SPFL Premiership

Disciplinary Rule allegedly breached:

Disciplinary Rule 72 - No recognised football body, club, official, Team Official or other member of Team Staff, player or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA, shall in an interview, a ‘blog’ on the internet, on a social networking or microblogging site, or in any other manner calculated or likely to lead to publicity (i) criticise the Decision(s) and/or performance(s) of any or all match official(s) in such a way as to indicate bias or incompetence on the part of such match official; or (ii) make remarks about such match official(s) which impinge on his character. For the avoidance of doubt this Rule applies (i) whether reported to the Scottish FA by a match official for Misconduct or otherwise, and (ii) where remarks are brought to the Scottish FA’s attention, or of which the Scottish FA becomes aware, by whatever manner or means. There shall be a presumption that any material published in such manner was published in the name of and/or with the authority of the person or body bearing to have published the material.

Principal hearing date: 7 January 2019

Response date: 24 December 2018

Outcome:  Two match suspension; 1 match immediate and 1 match suspended until the 31 December 2019

 

 

Why does the match i/d make it look like it was a home match for Newco?

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merrymac
2 hours ago, Horatio Caine said:

Why does the match i/d make it look like it was a home match for Newco?

  • Because it was due to their homely relationship with the officials:unsure2:

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Spellczech
5 hours ago, kila said:

 

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/football-governance/disciplinary/disciplinary-updates/

 

Monday 7 January 2019

Alleged Party in Breach: Craig Levein, Manager, Heart of Midlothian FC

Match: Rangers FC v Heart of Midlothian FC

Date: Sunday 2 December 2018

Competition: SPFL Premiership

Disciplinary Rule allegedly breached:

Disciplinary Rule 72 - No recognised football body, club, official, Team Official or other member of Team Staff, player or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA, shall in an interview, a ‘blog’ on the internet, on a social networking or microblogging site, or in any other manner calculated or likely to lead to publicity (i) criticise the Decision(s) and/or performance(s) of any or all match official(s) in such a way as to indicate bias or incompetence on the part of such match official; or (ii) make remarks about such match official(s) which impinge on his character. For the avoidance of doubt this Rule applies (i) whether reported to the Scottish FA by a match official for Misconduct or otherwise, and (ii) where remarks are brought to the Scottish FA’s attention, or of which the Scottish FA becomes aware, by whatever manner or means. There shall be a presumption that any material published in such manner was published in the name of and/or with the authority of the person or body bearing to have published the material.

Principal hearing date: 7 January 2019

Response date: 24 December 2018

Outcome:  Two match suspension; 1 match immediate and 1 match suspended until the 31 December 2019

 

 

The problem with such rules is that you have to provide a mechanism for the clubs to complain privately in no uncertain terms about officials or else there is simply no point...We KNOW there has been bias before. Blithely denying the possibility of corruption is corruption itself.

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Armageddon

Where's the set of rules for SevCo???

 

Beaton is a cheating count.

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Geoff Kilpatrick

Have the SFA demoted Beaton for seeing these incidents and doing nothing?

 

Don't worry, that's only rhetorical.

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colinmaroon
4 hours ago, Spellczech said:

The problem with such rules is that you have to provide a mechanism for the clubs to complain privately in no uncertain terms about officials or else there is simply no point...We KNOW there has been bias before. Blithely denying the possibility of corruption is corruption itself.

 

 

Now that's the truth!

 

 

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Riccarton3

I heard that 'character' Chick Young say on Sportsound that the SFA are caught between a rock and a hard place???? with demands from clubs?? and pressure??? from FIFA. I have no idea what he was talking about. He spent the rest of the time playing the 'we all see something different' card re refereeing decisions when he was reporting from wherever he was reporting. I think this was an attempt to convince that it's simple incompetence from referees. To be honest, it probably is at Championship level and below as it was today,  BUT AT THE TOP, SOMETHING STINKS.

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OTT

These rules about when the compliance officer can and cannot get involved should be beyond reproach and be intended to promote consistency and continuity in decision making. If a ref misses someone getting the heid stuck on them, thats a notice. If the ref sees it, says they saw it and did nothing, thats a notice and a demotion for the ref. Thats the only way the system works to the benefit of the game. 

 

The compliance officer (IMO) shouldn't be just about policing the players, their job should also be to maintain standards in refereeing to ensure every game (more or less) is held to the same standard and we do not have inconsistent decisions. The ref is to administrate the rules of the game, not be a factor in how the game is played.  Meet with the refs in the summer, decide what these standards are, create red lines on unacceptable conduct and hold that standard throughout the season. 

 

I hate scottish football so bloody much. 

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Ricardo Quaresma

They really think they're smart with this abstract shit

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Nelly Terraces
7 hours ago, OTT said:

These rules about when the compliance officer can and cannot get involved should be beyond reproach and be intended to promote consistency and continuity in decision making. If a ref misses someone getting the heid stuck on them, thats a notice. If the ref sees it, says they saw it and did nothing, thats a notice and a demotion for the ref. Thats the only way the system works to the benefit of the game. 

 

The compliance officer (IMO) shouldn't be just about policing the players, their job should also be to maintain standards in refereeing to ensure every game (more or less) is held to the same standard and we do not have inconsistent decisions. The ref is to administrate the rules of the game, not be a factor in how the game is played.  Meet with the refs in the summer, decide what these standards are, create red lines on unacceptable conduct and hold that standard throughout the season. 

 

I hate scottish football so bloody much. 

Totally agree. You know what's quite sad is that last line - it's the reason that I've not listened/read about a single thing to do with the game up here in the past 2 weeks & won't do so either this week. Absolutely ZERO interest in it except for Hearts, and Hearts alone.

 

Mind you, actually had the misfortune to actually turn the radio on Saturday & it just so happened to be tuned to Radio Scotland, caught about 45 seconds of the 'chat' on 'Sportsound' & it was like listening to 2 pissed up slavering weegies down the boozer.  Utterly cringetastic & kinda sums the level of everything football related in this backwater.

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Psychedelicropcircle

The real question is have heart of Midlothian officials signed up to this as a partner club ?

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The Treasurer
On ‎13‎/‎01‎/‎2019 at 04:07, Ricardo Quaresma said:

They really think they're smart with this abstract shit

When in fact they are proving the exact opposite

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Dannie Boy

The clowns and SFA erse lickers are in full flow now on radio Scotland. Cheating in full flow. Thankfully Mickey Stewart is calling them out. 

Its utterly ridiculous that we haven’t these people running the game.

 

its a comedy from the twats Daryl and Kenny. It’s maddening that weasel words and rubbish are being adopted to explain away the cheating and poor officials. 

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Dannie Boy

Oh and it’s just been acknowledged that any Tom, Dick or Mary from any background can write to the CO and ask for a review of an incident. 

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NANOJAMBO
On 13/01/2019 at 02:29, OTT said:

These rules about when the compliance officer can and cannot get involved should be beyond reproach and be intended to promote consistency and continuity in decision making. If a ref misses someone getting the heid stuck on them, thats a notice. If the ref sees it, says they saw it and did nothing, thats a notice and a demotion for the ref. Thats the only way the system works to the benefit of the game. 

 

The compliance officer (IMO) shouldn't be just about policing the players, their job should also be to maintain standards in refereeing to ensure every game (more or less) is held to the same standard and we do not have inconsistent decisions. The ref is to administrate the rules of the game, not be a factor in how the game is played.  Meet with the refs in the summer, decide what these standards are, create red lines on unacceptable conduct and hold that standard throughout the season. 

 

I hate scottish football so bloody much. 

In particular , as  bolded.

 

Great post. 

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DVB

The problem with the SFA rule is what do you do when you have a biased ref.

 

For the Hearts Rangers match the neutral commentators were going on about Morelos behaviour e.g. I think he will be in the book if he does one more foul. He then commits half a dozen more and isn’t booked. 

 

The ref described Morales as a silly boy as a reason not to punish him. The assistant referee gave Rangers fouls that the ref didn’t and missed the goal being offside despite being perfectly positioned.

 

Its all very well saying don’t call the officials biased but what do you do when they are?

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Riccarton3
1 hour ago, Dannie Boy said:

The clowns and SFA erse lickers are in full flow now on radio Scotland. Cheating in full flow. Thankfully Mickey Stewart is calling them out. 

Its utterly ridiculous that we haven’t these people running the game.

 

its a comedy from the twats Daryl and Kenny. It’s maddening that weasel words and rubbish are being adopted to explain away the cheating and poor officials. 

It occurs to me that the idea of systematic corruption is a taboo subject for broadcasters. Yet, there has been widespread corruption in football over the years in any number of countries. The idea of systematic corruption is not far fetched in a country where it appears two teams health is more important than the others. Yet broadcasters and our media do not go there.

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colinmaroon
58 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said:

It occurs to me that the idea of systematic corruption is a taboo subject for broadcasters. Yet, there has been widespread corruption in football over the years in any number of countries. The idea of systematic corruption is not far fetched in a country where it appears two teams health is more important than the others. Yet broadcasters and our media do not go there.

 

Exactly!   The chances of no corruption in that environment is next to zero.

 

"Yet broadcasters and our media do not go there." - Because they are part of it!  Pravda didn't have a look in!

 

The root cause of ALL the problems is the New, Old Firm.  The corrupt media meanwhile try and tell us that they are the ONLY thing that holds our game together and that is corruption in action.   

 

There are two reasons the media body-swerve the truth - fear or favour!

 

 

 

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7628mm
1 hour ago, Riccarton3 said:

It occurs to me that the idea of systematic corruption is a taboo subject for broadcasters. Yet, there has been widespread corruption in football over the years in any number of countries. The idea of systematic corruption is not far fetched in a country where it appears two teams health is more important than the others. Yet broadcasters and our media do not go there.

 

The latest from One of our greatest referees sometimes referred to as "Cardinal" Clark

 

Declaring loyalties 'an irrelevance'

Clark also dismissed the idea that Scottish football should follow the example in England, where referees are upfront if they support a particular club.

"It is a complete irrelevance," he added. "For anyone to suggest that a referee would work for 10 or 15 years to get to the top level of refereeing in Scotland and would then cheat the fans simply in order to give 'his team' an advantage is just nonsensical.

"No-one in their right mind would put in the time and effort, make all the sacrifices they have to do to get to that level and then display bias. I don't accept that it happens."

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46871390

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Riccarton3
13 minutes ago, 7628mm said:

 

The latest from One of our greatest referees sometimes referred to as "Cardinal" Clark

 

Declaring loyalties 'an irrelevance'

Clark also dismissed the idea that Scottish football should follow the example in England, where referees are upfront if they support a particular club.

"It is a complete irrelevance," he added. "For anyone to suggest that a referee would work for 10 or 15 years to get to the top level of refereeing in Scotland and would then cheat the fans simply in order to give 'his team' an advantage is just nonsensical.

"No-one in their right mind would put in the time and effort, make all the sacrifices they have to do to get to that level and then display bias. I don't accept that it happens."

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46871390

He is referring to referees in Scotland but there have been any number of corrupt officials all over the world. These men have reached a level, put in the time and effort and made all the sacrifices but have taken bribes. 

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Riccarton3
23 minutes ago, 7628mm said:

 

The latest from One of our greatest referees sometimes referred to as "Cardinal" Clark

 

Declaring loyalties 'an irrelevance'

Clark also dismissed the idea that Scottish football should follow the example in England, where referees are upfront if they support a particular club.

"It is a complete irrelevance," he added. "For anyone to suggest that a referee would work for 10 or 15 years to get to the top level of refereeing in Scotland and would then cheat the fans simply in order to give 'his team' an advantage is just nonsensical.

"No-one in their right mind would put in the time and effort, make all the sacrifices they have to do to get to that level and then display bias. I don't accept that it happens."

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46871390

I am not bothered about them not declaring loyalties but bothered how they referee a game. He has just been wheeled out to muddy the waters again/further. with a 'branch off' from the problems staring everyone in the face.

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Dannie Boy
1 hour ago, colinmaroon said:

 

Exactly!   The chances of no corruption in that environment is next to zero.

 

"Yet broadcasters and our media do not go there." - Because they are part of it!  Pravda didn't have a look in!

 

The root cause of ALL the problems is the New, Old Firm.  The corrupt media meanwhile try and tell us that they are the ONLY thing that holds our game together and that is corruption in action.   

 

There are two reasons the media body-swerve the truth - fear or favour!

 

 

 

 

Colin, if you remember Scottish Football,  particularly the Premiership, had increased attendances when The Rangers were shoe hornered into the bottom league over a more deserving club (whose name escapes me at the moment) The reality is Scottish Football would flourish if these unduly favoured Clubs we’re gone.

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DETTY29
8 hours ago, 7628mm said:

 

The latest from One of our greatest referees sometimes referred to as "Cardinal" Clark

 

Declaring loyalties 'an irrelevance'

Clark also dismissed the idea that Scottish football should follow the example in England, where referees are upfront if they support a particular club.

"It is a complete irrelevance," he added. "For anyone to suggest that a referee would work for 10 or 15 years to get to the top level of refereeing in Scotland and would then cheat the fans simply in order to give 'his team' an advantage is just nonsensical.

"No-one in their right mind would put in the time and effort, make all the sacrifices they have to do to get to that level and then display bias. I don't accept that it happens."

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46871390

And from the article:-

 

Instead, Whyte asks a three-person panel of former referees to review whether a sending-off offence occurred and, only where all three individuals agree that it did, will a notice of complaint be raised. "This new system, it only came in at the start of the season, it was copied pretty much from England, where I understand it has worked very well and yet somehow or other it doesn't work so well in the goldfish bowl of Scottish football," Clark told BBC Radio Scotland's Sportsound.

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Why, we all know, why?

 

Same refs that have been giving the same key players leniency over the years, are now the coppers, prosecutors, defenders, judge and jury. (Well not quite)

 

So even if a ref correctly sends someone off, a ref who would never have sent that save person in their career for the incident, over-rules, despite sending off other players correctly for similar / same incidents.

 

 

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Coolio
15 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

And from the article:-

 

Instead, Whyte asks a three-person panel of former referees to review whether a sending-off offence occurred and, only where all three individuals agree that it did, will a notice of complaint be raised. "This new system, it only came in at the start of the season, it was copied pretty much from England, where I understand it has worked very well and yet, DUE TO THE UNDUE INFLUENCE EXERTED BY THE 'OF', COMBINED WITH THE BIAS SHOWN TOWARDS THE 'OF' BY SCOTTISH FOOTBALL'S GOVERNING BODY AND OFFICIALS, it doesn't work so well in the goldfish bowl of Scottish football," Clark told BBC Radio Scotland's Sportsound.

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Why, we all know, why?

 

Same refs that have been giving the same key players leniency over the years, are now the coppers, prosecutors, defenders, judge and jury. (Well not quite)

 

So even if a ref correctly sends someone off, a ref who would never have sent that save person in their career for the incident, over-rules, despite sending off other players correctly for similar / same incidents.

 

 

 

Fixed it for Clark.

 

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colinmaroon
16 hours ago, Dannie Boy said:

 

Colin, if you remember Scottish Football,  particularly the Premiership, had increased attendances when The Rangers were shoe hornered into the bottom league over a more deserving club (whose name escapes me at the moment) The reality is Scottish Football would flourish if these unduly favoured Clubs we’re gone.

 

Love the "footnote!"

 

Psalm for the day, when He is serious, He repeats really important things - Psalm 136.

 

I've asked for Grace for this quote, which literally will be true, of course - my paraphrase:

 

"He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, nor the SFA, nor Celtic, nor old or new Rangers, for the former things have passed away.”
(Revelation 21:4 ESV)

 


 

 

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18 hours ago, 7628mm said:

 

The latest from One of our greatest referees sometimes referred to as "Cardinal" Clark

 

Declaring loyalties 'an irrelevance'

Clark also dismissed the idea that Scottish football should follow the example in England, where referees are upfront if they support a particular club.

"It is a complete irrelevance," he added. "For anyone to suggest that a referee would work for 10 or 15 years to get to the top level of refereeing in Scotland and would then cheat the fans simply in order to give 'his team' an advantage is just nonsensical.

"No-one in their right mind would put in the time and effort, make all the sacrifices they have to do to get to that level and then display bias. I don't accept that it happens."

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46871390

 

A large part of the point is that referees from a certain area with certain team preferences DON'T have to work for 10 to 15 years to get to the "top level", unless of course wee Andy Dallas was running the line at Forfar v Brechin when he was nine.

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1 hour ago, colinmaroon said:

 

Love the "footnote!"

 

Psalm for the day, when He is serious, He repeats really important things - Psalm 136.

 

I've asked for Grace for this quote, which literally will be true, of course - my paraphrase:

 

"He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, nor the SFA, nor Celtic, nor old or new Rangers, for the former things have passed away.”
(Revelation 21:4 ESV)

 


 

 

 

I'd actually really enjoy it if you always posted in *******ised psalm quotes. :lol:

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18 hours ago, 7628mm said:

 

The latest from One of our greatest referees sometimes referred to as "Cardinal" Clark

 

Declaring loyalties 'an irrelevance'

Clark also dismissed the idea that Scottish football should follow the example in England, where referees are upfront if they support a particular club.

"It is a complete irrelevance," he added. "For anyone to suggest that a referee would work for 10 or 15 years to get to the top level of refereeing in Scotland and would then cheat the fans simply in order to give 'his team' an advantage is just nonsensical.

"No-one in their right mind would put in the time and effort, make all the sacrifices they have to do to get to that level and then display bias. I don't accept that it happens."

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46871390

So is he saying English referees are more likely to cheat so have to divulge?

What a blether. Theres a reason the FA have them admit possible club affiliation.

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I'm confused by this bit too. So if they have admitted there was a mistake in a "big" game, assuming Morelos in the Sevco v Celtic game then why was no action taken against the thug by the compliance officer?

 

No talk of referees strike

Clark insisted that there had been no "groundswell" of support for a repeat of the referees strike of 2010 but admitted: "The referees are not happy, it goes without saying.

"They don't want their reputations being sullied as a result of them making a mistake in a big game.

"They recognise that has happened and, as a group, they are doing everything they can to make sure it doesn't happen again.

"They are frustrated by some of the stuff that is said in the media. They find it a bit personal and a bit over the top, but they recognise it goes with the territory and it's cyclical."

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Riccarton3

 The elephant in the room is that our referees are simply incapable of officiating old firm teams with the necessary vigour on a consistent basis so they gain assistance on top of the other advantages they already have.

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