Injuries woes continues

[OmiyaHearts]

27 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

I think Naismith will make a difference ; he's a leader on the pitch , he has vast experience and he is the only creative player at the club. 

 

I agree the team/squad is poor but as much as I don't (and never did) want CL at the helm, he was never going to make a huge impact on last year's dire bunch.  For all that Naismith is missed it's really unbelievable that CL has persisted with a team selection that is just awful and will not win football games. The Leeds analogy is interesting. they had to make the best of what resources they did have - which CL hasn't. Incredible that he persists with McLean (not a dig at the player) who can't head a ball, can't run  but is expected to get on the end of aimless balls into the box.  I just don't accept that is the best CL can do with what he has at his disposal. If it is,  the youngsters must be hopeless because the current incumbents are awful. 

I agree, he's failed completely to get a decent team performance without Naismith.  We'll see soon enough whether it is down to Naisy or not. I'm not so sure it was. 

 

It's easy to manage a team when everything is going well, you truly earn your corn when you're up against it. I think in that respect, Levein has failed miserably.

[Pasquale for King]

49 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Re Souttar I do recall CL saying that they were going to give him rest and time to see if his hip problem cleared up rather than have to go for the operation.

 

It seemed to be ok until the issue in his last game for Scotland but maybe in hindsight he should have had the op at the end of last season although I am not 100% sure the injuries are linked.

Indeed they might not be linked but it’s likely as it’s the same area. It’s another strange injury that’s maybe not been dealt with properly. 

[Pasquale for King]

4 minutes ago, Barack said:

I'm more interested in the part I highlighted. 

 

Can you elaborate?

I did? Either they over egged how long they were going to be out or they miscalculated? How much more explanation do you want?  What reasons do you think five players miraculously recovered, faith healing?

[soonbe110]

5 hours ago, wavydavy said:

 

Oh the irony. Maybe he could have had some better options in the reserves. We may have some decent potential with Cochrane and McDonald but we don't seem to have too many decent Centre Backs coming through that I am aware of.

 

Baur is out on loan and I think the jury is still out on whether he will make the grade. Gajda is still very raw and Hamilton is rather small for a CB.

 

So yes we have been very unlucky with injuries but we still seem to be lacking for cover in this area.

Cochrane has been injured for most of this season. 

[Pasquale for King]

5 minutes ago, Barack said:

Did you? Seems like you answered the question, with more questions.

 

Mis-diagnosis. Is this something that's inherently a Hearts issue? Does it happen at, oh, I dunno...the NHS, for example?

 

 

Embellishment.  

 

In your opinion, who is embellishing, and for what purpose? 

 

Physiology and genetics.

 

Have you heard of these?

 

If I, an out of shape 38 year old, tears his hamstring from the bone. Will I recover faster than a 33 year old professional sportsman? Assuming I have the same level of physiotherapy as said sportsman.

 

If little Rudi, breaks his hip. Will he recover quicker than Old Mrs. Budge from down the road, who broke her hip last week?

 

No faith healers allowed mind...

Yes if Berra or Djoum hurt themselves they will heal quicker than a non sports person, the same time as a 21 yo Souttar for example or would he heal quicker? Was that taken into consideration when they said they were our for so long. Either the medical team or CL were wrong, did we not feel better about the injuries when they came back sooner than expected. 

Last season we played Mitchell with an injury until he broke down, CL said he was fit for the weekend and he was the taken back to Utd and operated on before our next game.Can you explain that?

I was told on here that medical professionals don’t make mistakes all the time, I think we both know that’s nonsense.

[soonbe110]

4 hours ago, Sir Gio said:

Leeds United have had the worst injury crisis in UK football. They sit top of their league 

We would have coped with the injuries as well if our player wage-bill was £24m and our co-owner pumped in £15m this year. Pretty unfair comparison to be honest. 

[DH1986]

1 hour ago, spirt of 98 said:

Just a thought correct me if I am wrong but did our squad do some old school training on the Gullane beach pre season?

 

could this old school method have contributed to the injuries. 

 

Guess what ive no idea the answer but am just putting it out there. 

 

Disclaimer I am no expert but this just popped in my head when I read a comment about the medical team looking at why we have suffered so many injuries. 

 

Half of the injured list weren’t at the club when CL took them to Gullane.

[Pasquale for King]

2 minutes ago, Barack said:

Bottom part first. Who told you that? They're correct. Medical professionals don't make mistakes all the time. For the most part. Otherwise, they'd be plumbing sewers, & not conducting complex surgeries on a daily basis. They're fallible however. Like you, or I.

 

Unless, of course. your surname's Shipman, or work at the Maternity Ward at Shrewesbury...

 

Back to the top part. Is there a medical specialist at the club. For each injury? Or, as is most likely...a physio, head physio, sports science director & the club doctor? We'll go with option 2. It's easier.

 

Take Mitchell's case...ok. In fact, take Uche's case while we're at it. Firstly, these are grown professional sportsmen, who know their own bodies, & how they feel within themselves, more than any doctor. 

 

Here's Mitchell's own assesment:  "I had a good spell here last season and I feel like I've got unfinished business because I got a little injury."

 

As it turned out, a torn meniscus. Painful, but on first look at Hearts, coupled with Mitchell obviously feeling he could play...Hearts (CL & Team) went with that, I suspect. Only when had returned to Man Utd, for a specialist to look at, was it discovered. These things happen. Not quite JFK. 

 

Uche. Felt fine, played. Minute fracture that X-ray never picked up on 1st go. It's happened to me. I never thought it was a miracle, that the 2nd opinion of an orthopaedic doctor found the issue, and the first doctor decided to not tell me how bad my fracture was really. Rather it was seen & fixed.

 

As it was, it healed a week earlier than I was advised. Miraculous? Nah.

 

Your use of the word "embellishment" unless you were searching for a different word, is the one I take issue with. As you've put above:

"did we not feel better about the injuries when they came back sooner than expected." 

 

That, coupled with the earlier highlighted post, gives off the impression you want to say something about a particular person(s) in the medical department. Now, given you apparently know someone who works for Hearts(I can assume not the medical side?...as you'd be ripping your mate. All one big team remember.) I'll go with that you're taking snippets from said friend.

 

You're then either coming on here to give wild unsubstantiated hyperbolic claims, with little to no medically verifiable claims against Hearts. Or, your mate is giving his opinions, and you're doing the same by passing them on as hyperbolic rhetorical, and accusatory posts.

 

Hearts want to make us feel as warm and fuzzy, so are going to shave off a few weeks estimate of a professional's medically recommended recovery time...mmmhmm.

 

I'll let you retract embellishment if you like. 

As I got my mate in trouble with the club I don’t ask him about stuff anymore, I feel bad enough about opening my big mouth and discussing it.

As I’ve been answering quite a few posts today I may have used the wrong term, thanks for allowing me to take it back (sanctimonious like your avatar eh) but I’m happy with it.

I don’t have any knowledge of any of the names of anyone in that department, it’s their boss who doesn’t seem to think there’s a problem or won’t look into it.

Mitchell walked off the park right in front of me looking totally frustrated leaving us with 10 men against St Johnstone for ten minutes,why was he taken to Manchester for a scan if everything was ok?

Uches injury was diagnosed by the physio, was she ignored until a specialist was consulted eventually. If they can’t diagnose injuries and we have to pay for scans, either get rid of them and hire others or send the players for Scans quicker.

Im totally frustrated at the number of injuries we have suffered since we came out of administration, way above the average and it can’t possibly be down to bad luck.

[deejtee]

16 minutes ago, Barack said:

Bottom part first. Who told you that? They're correct. Medical professionals don't make mistakes all the time. For the most part. Otherwise, they'd be plumbing sewers, & not conducting complex surgeries on a daily basis. They're fallible however. Like you, or I.

 

Unless, of course. your surname's Shipman, or work at the Maternity Ward at Shrewesbury...

 

Back to the top part. Is there a medical specialist at the club. For each injury? Or, as is most likely...a physio, head physio, sports science director & the club doctor? We'll go with option 2. It's easier.

 

Take Mitchell's case...ok. In fact, take Uche's case while we're at it. Firstly, these are grown professional sportsmen, who know their own bodies, & how they feel within themselves, more than any doctor. 

 

Here's Mitchell's own assesment:  "I had a good spell here last season and I feel like I've got unfinished business because I got a little injury."

 

As it turned out, a torn meniscus. Painful, but on first look at Hearts, coupled with Mitchell obviously feeling he could play...Hearts (CL & Team) went with that, I suspect. Only when had returned to Man Utd, for a specialist to look at, was it discovered. These things happen. Not quite JFK. 

 

Uche. Felt fine, played. Minute fracture that X-ray never picked up on 1st go. It's happened to me. I never thought it was a miracle, that the 2nd opinion of an orthopaedic doctor found the issue, and the first doctor decided to not tell me how bad my fracture was really. Rather it was seen & fixed.

 

As it was, it healed a week earlier than I was advised. Miraculous? Nah.

 

Your use of the word "embellishment" unless you were searching for a different word, is the one I take issue with. As you've put above:

"did we not feel better about the injuries when they came back sooner than expected." 

 

That, coupled with the earlier highlighted post, gives off the impression you want to say something about a particular person(s) in the medical department. Now, given you apparently know someone who works for Hearts(I can assume not the medical side?...as you'd be ripping your mate. All one big team remember.) I'll go with that you're taking snippets from said friend.

 

You're then either coming on here to give wild unsubstantiated hyperbolic claims, with little to no medically verifiable claims against Hearts. Or, your mate is giving his opinions, and you're doing the same by passing them on as hyperbolic rhetorical, and accusatory posts.

 

Hearts want to make us feel as warm and fuzzy, so are going to shave off a few weeks estimate of a professional's medically recommended recovery time...mmmhmm.

 

I'll let you retract embellishment if you like. 

It was probably me, and I am in an infinitely better position to judge it than the person you are replying to. I wouldn't waste time debating the issue with him as it is a pointless exercise.

[deejtee]

1 minute ago, Barack said:

I've no problem debating with him. I don't agree with his points, and I've tried to answer his points as best as I can. 

 

Is what it is.

 

I should stop with the relatively serious posts though. People will talk.

 

 

 

They already are ! Waiting rooms across the country are discussing the thread.

[deejtee]

6 minutes ago, Barack said:

Hopefully they heal on time.

Cured by xmas causing relatives to rush out and buy xmas presents they had not budgeted for after erroneous poor prognosis given by duff medics.

[maroonlegions]

5 hours ago, andy65 said:

zar

I am not too pessimistic we’ve been absolutely ravaged with injury which in turn breaks any flow in the team and I believe is now seriously affecting the players that are fit ,belief and performance . I think we will have a strong finish to the season but we may struggle for a wee while yet and after the break, realistically we may be looking at 4th/5th place finish which after our start is very disappointing .

Maybe its just the tactics , like playing players out of position, Diojum out wide.

 

Some team sections have been bazzaar  and some signings have been questionable??

 

Were does the buck lie with the above.

Edited December 17, 2018 by maroonlegions

[maroonlegions]

Harry should be starting, begaars belief he is not

Edited December 17, 2018 by maroonlegions

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

2 hours ago, soonbe110 said:

We would have coped with the injuries as well if our player wage-bill was £24m and our co-owner pumped in £15m this year. Pretty unfair comparison to be honest. 

Its not. Bielsa has basically signed very little. He prefers to coach players over months. 

He is refusing help in January preference to coach and build using under 23 players accustomed to his style of play. Budget irrelevant in comparison to those around him 

[OTT]

10 hours ago, Cruyff Turn said:

Put Haring to Centerhalf. He’s toiling as well, can barely run but we need better distribution from defence so that might be a plus. Keep Smith at right back. Or a back 3 of Berra, Haring and Smith. 

Can’t afford to concede height against Aberdeen with the 2 giants at centerhalf and that big Cosgrove laddie upfront. 

 

I think a back 5 of Godinho Smith Haring Berra Mitchell gives us a solid base. It doesn't do much to solve the goal scoring issue we seem to be having but certainly those 3 at CB seems to me to be the best selection we have. 

[soonbe110]

8 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Its not. Bielsa has basically signed very little. He prefers to coach players over months. 

He is refusing help in January preference to coach and build using under 23 players accustomed to his style of play. Budget irrelevant in comparison to those around him 

He has used 28 players so far this season, we have used 27. With a budget four times our size you would expect them to be able to cope with injuries due to a much higher quality squad. The injuries we have suffered have been particular to key players and positions.we have lost four Centre-backs to medium to long term injuries. We are now play8ng our fifth choice, do you think our budget stretches to six or seven Centre-backs? It’s a position that you don’t play 16-18 year-olds in Scottish football. Biels’s injuries seem  pretty spread over the team. Don’t think he is refusing funds in January, don’t  think there’s any left

[soonbe110]

2 hours ago, DH1986 said:

 

Half of the injured list weren’t at the club when CL took them to Gullane.

Don’t let facts get in the way!! 

[soonbe110]

56 minutes ago, maroonlegions said:

Harry should be starting, begaars belief he is not

He can’t start if he is not fit. Since August he has generally been injured or re overnight from injury. Taken off injured again today. It’s been clear in the few minutes he has had this season that he’s not fully fit. He hasnt  looked fully fit in a couple of reserve games I have watched. 

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

13 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

He has used 28 players so far this season, we have used 27. With a budget four times our size you would expect them to be able to cope with injuries due to a much higher quality squad. The injuries we have suffered have been particular to key players and positions.we have lost four Centre-backs to medium to long term injuries. We are now play8ng our fifth choice, do you think our budget stretches to six or seven Centre-backs? It’s a position that you don’t play 16-18 year-olds in Scottish football. Biels’s injuries seem  pretty spread over the team. Don’t think he is refusing funds in January, don’t  think there’s any left

The average age might be more interesting. You have to take into account the comparative budgets he is against the volume of football they have played. 

There's funding in January he doesn't want it. Leeds like Hearts have been relatively untouched in midfield. Likewise they have had a keeper under performing.

I think you should look a lot closer at the Leeds injuries.  I am well up on it. Yorkshire Evening Post and Edinburgh Evening News are my daily diet  

 

[soonbe110]

I agree they have struggled with injuries up front but defensively and particularly in midfield they have been relatively injury free. Keeper and  back four have played about 75% of league games. Midfield, the same four have played just about every game. Pretty solid base. Something we haven’t had. 

[bobskeldon]

13 hours ago, OTT said:

 

I think a back 5 of Godinho Smith Haring Berra Mitchell gives us a solid base. It doesn't do much to solve the goal scoring issue we seem to be having but certainly those 3 at CB seems to me to be the best selection we have. 

Not a "solid base" if 2 or 3 of the 5 are not fit for purpose!

[salvo69]

I used to play through injury and remember pulling up in the warm up before a game but because there was competition for places. I felt I could play through it as nobody will accept a slight injury will rule you out but the manager doesn’t know you are injured, if they did you wouldn’t play

[Victorian]

The injuries have had a pretty devastating impact on us.    Firstly losing our two most important strikers severely handicapped our style of play.   Our ability to dominate periods of play through sustained offensive threat.     Secondly the never ending series of defence unit changes.    Levein has had to firefight at every turn in order to accomodate a formation based of those available.

 

You cannot expect to sustain any form throughout so many enforced changes and players playing with injuries.    We're paying the price of it.     We'll be better placed after the break but the damage has been done and may get worse before we get a chance to regroup.

 

I'm already at the point of this season being a write-off and next season being more important.

[Bazzas right boot]

19 hours ago, soonbe110 said:

We would have coped with the injuries as well if our player wage-bill was £24m and our co-owner pumped in £15m this year. Pretty unfair comparison to be honest. 

 

 

Aye and are they not about £100m in debt. 

 

Gambling all for promotion. 

 

Some folk on here  are bonkers. 

[Hagar the Horrible]

Uche apart, most of our injuries have been on either hybrid or 4g pitches,  can we blame the surface?????

 

Uche should that keeper be given a ban for the horrendous tackle Johnathon Sutherland????

[Bazzas right boot]

28 minutes ago, Victorian said:

The injuries have had a pretty devastating impact on us.    Firstly losing our two most important strikers severely handicapped our style of play.   Our ability to dominate periods of play through sustained offensive threat.     Secondly the never ending series of defence unit changes.    Levein has had to firefight at every turn in order to accomodate a formation based of those available.

 

You cannot expect to sustain any form throughout so many enforced changes and players playing with injuries.    We're paying the price of it.     We'll be better placed after the break but the damage has been done and may get worse before we get a chance to regroup.

 

I'm already at the point of this season being a write-off and next season being more important.

 

 

Agree. Accept last part. 

 

At least third is still up for grabs and the sc, despite our poor form. 

 

Plenty to play for. 

[johnthomas]

18 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

As it can’t possibly be down to bad luck.

Really !

2 first pick centre halves get injured (one on international duty) .

We sign good replacements both get injured .

Injuries , apart from possibly Souttars , are ones that could (and do) happen to players all the time .

Unfortunately (!) these events have ripped the heart out of our defence twice now and we haven't got to the winter break .

You think it can't POSSIBLY be down to bad luck !

 

[Victorian]

13 minutes ago, WeeChuck'sHeed said:

 

 

Agree. Accept last part. 

 

At least third is still up for grabs and the sc, despite our poor form. 

 

Plenty to play for. 

 

Yes there is but when you look at the table,  as had become possible from very early on,   much better than 3rd was a wholly realistic possibility.

 

This league always looked very open.    We had a tremendous start and looked in a good place.    But we've taken an absolute hammering.    

[Bazzas right boot]

26 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Yes there is but when you look at the table,  as had become possible from very early on,   much better than 3rd was a wholly realistic possibility.

 

This league always looked very open.    We had a tremendous start and looked in a good place.    But we've taken an absolute hammering.    

 

 

Yip, I said in December I'd take wins v Hamilton and Motherwell, anything else would be a bonus. 

I felt this after accepting Clare and Wighton were not going to replace Naismith and ulche. 

 

However, I didn't expect rangers, Aberdeen and cekotic to drop points, only really Killie have kept up any momentum. 

This has still left the league wide open. 

 

Hibs play us and rangers. 

Rangers still to play celtic 

All before the break. 

Aberdeen play us

 

In the next round of fixtures, with our players back we repeat the first round of fixtures soon after that. 

 

I've not given up hope of a good season yet, although the odds are celtic could be a bit clear if they win the games in hand and beat rangers, leaving 3rd and maybe 2nd the realistic finish. 

 

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Uche just posted a video on his Instagram of him training with the moon boot off.  Hopefully that means we'll see him sooner rather than later.

[Pasquale for King]

3 hours ago, johnthomas said:

Really !

2 first pick centre halves get injured (one on international duty) .

We sign good replacements both get injured .

Injuries , apart from possibly Souttars , are ones that could (and do) happen to players all the time .

Unfortunately (!) these events have ripped the heart out of our defence twice now and we haven't got to the winter break .

You think it can't POSSIBLY be down to bad luck !

 

No when it happens consistently every season for 4.5 years (not so much before that) I think the hard luck story needs to be forgotten about and more research done into it.

We had 40 injuries out of a 42 man playing squad last season, the average is 25 out of 35. So far we’ve missed Smith/Godhino/Brandon/Souttar/Berra/Dunne/Dikamona/Garruccio/Djoum/Ikpeazu/Naismith/Cochrane/Lafferty and Haring needs an operation. Bad luck?

By  the way Souttar had a hip injury that we struggled to deal with at the end of last season, rest was the cure apparently. We then push him to be involved in the International scene before he’s ready ( he was awful in the game he got injured and red carded in) and his hip muscle tears . Are these injuries connected? Just bad luck?

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Bob Loblaw said:

Uche just posted a video on his Instagram of him training with the moon boot off.  Hopefully that means we'll see him sooner rather than later.

Yeah just saw, great to see. The big guys attitude is spot on and it would be great if it rubs off on a few others.

[Pasquale for King]

22 hours ago, deejtee said:

It was probably me, and I am in an infinitely better position to judge it than the person you are replying to. I wouldn't waste time debating the issue with him as it is a pointless exercise.

No it wasn’t you, don’t flatter yourself.

[innerjambo]

So Wighton was injured in training last Thursday, and Cochrane came off injured yesterday. It's like an injury conveyor belt.

[spirt of 98]

On 17/12/2018 at 15:46, DH1986 said:

 

Half of the injured list weren’t at the club when CL took them to Gullane.

Ah ok 

[Paolo]

5 hours ago, Hagar the Horrible said:

Uche apart, most of our injuries have been on either hybrid or 4g pitches,  can we blame the surface?????

 

Uche should that keeper be given a ban for the horrendous tackle Johnathon Sutherland????

Not sure we can.  Other teams have not had the same issues.  

 

We we also play on them, when we train 

[deejtee]

4 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

No it wasn’t you, don’t flatter yourself.

Must have been me as well.then. I don't regard contradicting an obsessional person like yourself as flattering myself. Just defending the medical profession from your continual ill informed rants. You are the type who think they know quite a lot about something and carry on despite being contradicted by people who know more, including your naming a retired GP and being critical of him in a public forum from  behind the posting name you use. I think most can see you have a strong dislike for medical professionals so I hope your sports scientist chum can diagnose and treat you and yours, although when they can't I am sure you will take a chance with a medical opinion. ??

[Pasquale for King]

46 minutes ago, deejtee said:

Must have been me as well.then. I don't regard contradicting an obsessional person like yourself as flattering myself. Just defending the medical profession from your continual ill informed rants. You are the type who think they know quite a lot about something and carry on despite being contradicted by people who know more, including your naming a retired GP and being critical of him in a public forum from  behind the posting name you use. I think most can see you have a strong dislike for medical professionals so I hope your sports scientist chum can diagnose and treat you and yours, although when they can't I am sure you will take a chance with a medical opinion. ??

Who said you and Obama know more than I do, you know nothing of my knowledge and Uber estimate your own by what I can see.

Again your memory fails you, I have a nephew who is a qualified sports scientist and a UEFA A licence coach who probably knows more you than do. I have a workmate who works at Hearts who I got into trouble with the club by opening my big mouth. 

The GP is still practising unfortunately.

As for the last part where you try to insinuate that I’m in need of some sort of medical professional help, that’s the kind of criticism you would only say on social media and not to my face, something you are still slating me for. Best to do what you said you were going to do up there and follow your pals lead and not reply.

[deejtee]

3 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Who said you and Obama know more than I do, you know nothing of my knowledge and Uber estimate your own by what I can see.

Again your memory fails you, I have a nephew who is a qualified sports scientist and a UEFA A licence coach who probably knows more you than do. I have a workmate who works at Hearts who I got into trouble with the club by opening my big mouth. 

The GP is still practising unfortunately.

As for the last part where you try to insinuate that I’m in need of some sort of medical professional help, that’s the kind of criticism you would only say on social media and not to my face, something you are still slating me for. Best to do what you said you were going to do up there and follow your pals lead and not reply.

Where do I insinuate that you at this time need medical help?

You miss the point entirely, not wholly surprising, about being critical of a GP you have named behind the safety of the forum. 

I would imagine 40 years of medical practice means I am in a position of knowing more medically than you  or your nephew and involvement in the appraisal and revalidation process and errors and complications meetings  means I unquestionably know more than you do about error rates.  

I am wholly disinterested in meeting you face to face.

I find your persistent criticism of the medical profession  tiresome and the point I was making is that at some point now or in the future you will need to ditch that and  seek medical  or paramedical advice,  as everyone does, and the people involved will, as always with anyone, perform their best.

[Pasquale for King]

1 minute ago, deejtee said:

Where do I insinuate that you at this time need medical help?

You miss the point entirely, not wholly surprising, about being critical of a GP you have named behind the safety of the forum. 

I would imagine 40 years of medical practice means I am in a position of knowing more medically than you  or your nephew and involvement in the appraisal and revalidation process and errors and complications meetings  means I unquestionably know more than you do about error rates.  

I am wholly disinterested in meeting you face to face.

I find your persistent criticism of the medical profession  tiresome and the point I was making is that at some point now or in the future you will need to ditch that and  seek medical  or paramedical advice,  as everyone does, and the people involved will, as always with anyone, perform their best.

So you know more about sports science and football than a UEFA licence coach, because you have 40 years of medical experience? It’s a slightly different thing is it not?

Do you know about surgery too  or have inside knowledge of what’s happened at Riccarton in certain situations? 

I have no particular dislike of the medical profession, that doesn’t  stop me criticising them if necessary and accepting their failing even if it’s unintentional. 

Apologies if your statement led me to believe you were saying I needed help because of what I’ve said on this forum.

 

[deejtee]

16 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

So you know more about sports science and football than a UEFA licence coach, because you have 40 years of medical experience? It’s a slightly different thing is it not?

Do you know about surgery too  or have inside knowledge of what’s happened at Riccarton in certain situations? 

I have no particular dislike of the medical profession, that doesn’t  stop me criticising them if necessary and accepting their failing even if it’s unintentional. 

Apologies if your statement led me to believe you were saying I needed help because of what I’ve said on this forum.

 

We will have to agree to differ on some of this.

My reaction was to your observation that medics make loads of mistakes. Some time ago I suggested that some mistakes are made and people learn from these. Also that some "mistakes" are within the limits of current technology rather than error and it is not unusual for complex cases to require time and more than one opinion.

I assume that your nephew is part of a team with respect for the other staff and hopefully they all work together well.

As regards surgery in my 40 years I have had dealings with most aspects of surgery and am familiar with the need for tertiary referrals for certain cases. 

I would strongly suggest that you avoid naming a doctor and criticising them unless you wish to make a formal complaint against them.

Anyway have a good xmas and hopefully we are all on the side of wanting success for the team that I have followed  for a lot more than 40 years.

[Pasquale for King]

9 minutes ago, deejtee said:

We will have to agree to differ on some of this.

My reaction was to your observation that medics make loads of mistakes. Some time ago I suggested that some mistakes are made and people learn from these. Also that some "mistakes" are within the limits of current technology rather than error and it is not unusual for complex cases to require time and more than one opinion.

I assume that your nephew is part of a team with respect for the other staff and hopefully they all work together well.

As regards surgery in my 40 years I have had dealings with most aspects of surgery and am familiar with the need for tertiary referrals for certain cases. 

I would strongly suggest that you avoid naming a doctor and criticising them unless you wish to make a formal complaint against them.

Anyway have a good xmas and hopefully we are all on the side of wanting success for the team that I have followed  for a lot more than 40 years.

All of that is taken on board. Yes I think we all want success for the club, we have both seen worse times than this in the last 45 years most definitely. Have a good Xmas.

[deejtee]

21 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

All of that is taken on board. Yes I think we all want success for the club, we have both seen worse times than this in the last 45 years most definitely. Have a good Xmas.

Common link of being Hearts fans wins the day?

[Baxfee]

Uche has his boot off!!! 

[Guest]

Has there been a documented case of someone turning up at a surgery and booing? If not, I think - after reading this thread - it’s only a matter of time.

 

”My granny could have done that incision...” etc