wattie exploited Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 just watched the saint johnstone game and for most of the game our midfield can,t even make more than 3 passes for most of the game they just seemed to be hitting either long balls or just passing to no one , other thing we still are not creating anything in way of goal chances apart from crosses which I think we should be expecting more from the midfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzabic Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Two things... We've been doing this all season, we just scored more goals before. Our midfield were not at fault today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB GIN Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I think it’s because we don’t play any width too congested at times Need to use all the pitch it’s basics you get taught this at schoolboy level Not enjoying watching hearts the now the football is awful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Did the midfield not score two this evening? It's the lapses in concentration in defence I'm more concerned about tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattie exploited Posted December 5, 2018 Author Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, cruzabic said: Two things... We've been doing this all season, we just scored more goals before. Our midfield were not at fault today. I never said they were art fault just our lack of passing ability is pretty bad and I think they are better than what they are showing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 One paced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 It's all down to the officials allegedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 4 centre mids in a midfield 4 won’t win you many games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattie exploited Posted December 5, 2018 Author Share Posted December 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, heartsfc_fan said: Did the midfield not score two this evening? It's the lapses in concentration in defence I'm more concerned about tbh. I was talking about the lack of being able to make more than at least 3 passes forward with out given the ball away the two goals came from crosses and they were great headers ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Gambo said: It's all down to the officials allegedly. You’re such a tit. The team are struggling......the confidence has been drained after losing almost half a team and dropping points. This isn’t CL’s fault. When we are back to full strength we will turn the corner again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, Gambo said: It's all down to the officials allegedly. I'm not stalking you it's just that you are spouting pish on just about every thread I open. Take a week or so off for your own and our sakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, DH1986 said: You’re such a tit. The team are struggling......the confidence has been drained after losing almost half a team and dropping points. This isn’t CL’s fault. When we are back to full strength we will turn the corner again. I never said it was his fault. It is his job though to work with what he has and not just when he has got his best 11. Since when did Levein become the only manager that can't be questioned on how the team are doing/performing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastSideJambo Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, Clerry Jambo said: One paced That's the one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, graygo said: I'm not stalking you it's just that you are spouting pish on just about every thread I open. Take a week or so off for your own and our sakes. I was only repeating what a few ate saying in the match thread. I take it you have said the same to them? So I take it you think the officials were good tonight as my comment that they were poor is pish according to you? I take it you thought we played well tonight as my comment (and many others)that we we were poor is pish according to you? Edited December 5, 2018 by Gambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Cockade Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Haring was good Djoum should be pushed up right behind the striker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Gambo said: I never said it was his fault. It is his job though to work with what he has and not just when he has got his best 11. Since when did Levein become the only manager that can't be questioned on how the team are doing/performing? We are just going to have to accept that until we get all the injured guys back we’re in for a tough ride. CL created a team that was sitting top, scoring goals freely and playing some great stuff plus looked solid at the back. When you lose the core reasons we were doing all the above it’s unrealistic to expect the same. At this moment in time we cannot have a conveyor belt of ready made players all of the quality of the ones who are missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 27 minutes ago, Gambo said: It's all down to the officials allegedly. Haring was completely and utterly neutered tonight by the referee. When your best midfielder is closed out of the game by the ref it makes it exceptionally difficult to control the midfield. You’re biased but not blind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts00 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Width and pace. Width and pace. Let’s all say it together and keep repeating it until it is fixed. Width and pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jammy T said: Haring was completely and utterly neutered tonight by the referee. When your best midfielder is closed out of the game by the ref it makes it exceptionally difficult to control the midfield. You’re biased but not blind. How does that work when I said the ref had a howler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts00 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 But yes I too am sick of this 4 central midfielders in midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, Gambo said: I was only repeating what a few ate saying in the match thread. I take it you have said the same to them? So I take it you think the officials were good tonight as my comment that they were poor is pish according to you? I take it you thought we played well tonight as my comment (and many others)that we we were poor is pish according to you? More pish, seriously log off or visit the shed for a wee while. Yes some others have said the same as you, but not nearly as often. No we weren't great tonight, absolutely nobody has said we were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, graygo said: More pish, seriously log off or visit the shed for a wee while. Yes some others have said the same as you, but not nearly as often. No we weren't great tonight, absolutely nobody has said we were. I was only REPLYING to folk who can't handle me saying we were poor tonight. You(&many others) think the same that we were poor(not great was your words) but want to have a go at me instead of those having a go at me for stating the truth. Many others have said the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, Gambo said: How does that work when I said the ref had a howler? The ref in having a howler (or blinder if you are the SPFL) prevented our main midfielder exerting control on the game, as he did for a lot of the first 10 games, thus having a significant impact on how we played. That is how it works. Comprendez? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Gambo said: I was only REPLYING to folk who can't handle me saying we were poor tonight. You(&many others) think the same that we were poor(not great was your words) but want to have a go at me instead of those having a go at me for stating the truth. Many others have said the same. Then do us all a favour and either don't reply or at least say that you have already given your views on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 24 minutes ago, The White Cockade said: Haring was good Djoum should be pushed up right behind the striker Think that is his most effective position. When he played there with big Bjorn he was excellent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, graygo said: Then do us all a favour and either don't reply or at least say that you have already given your views on it. Give him a break - he’s been waiting weeks to get on this roll.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, Jammy T said: Haring was completely and utterly neutered tonight by the referee. When your best midfielder is closed out of the game by the ref it makes it exceptionally difficult to control the midfield. You’re biased but not blind. Ludicrous reffing toward him , no idea why he booked him then told them to take the corner again. Then if that was a penalty had to be a red. Even though no one in the universe other than Dallas and ill guess a few fuds on here thought it was a pen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Jammy T said: Give him a break - he’s been waiting weeks to get on this roll.... For whats its worth first half i thought we were decent but deliberate with the ball rather than fast and crisp (guessing a lot to do with confidence there) second half was even both teams half chances looked comfortable then when he gave the pen its like the bottom fell out. Game went flat , atmosphere went flat we lost composure as if we were just expecting it to go 3-2 and hoofing it to try and save 2-2 which I never felt was in doubt. We were comfy despite Godinho and Mitchells defensive frailties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicTs Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) Haring has been our best midfielder this season. He wasn't even brought to the club to play in the midfield which I think says a lot about the standard and quality of the players who were earmarked to play there. We are generally ponderous, slow to move the ball and lack creativity. Lee has had several good games but is never going to be good enough week in week out to string together performances where he is a stand out. Edwards was quickly shipped out. Cochrane has contributed nothing and Mulraney looks a strange signing out of his depth. Djoum is the great polarizing enigma who should be a key player for Hearts but rarely is. Morrison has shown glimpses of promise and appears to have a great attitude but his final ball and lack of any goals is a huge concern moving forward. Bozanic looks distinctly average against anything but the bottom few sides. I won't even comment on the abysmal Amankwaa other than to say his appearance for 80 minutes of a semi-final with 30,000 Hearts fans in attendance has to be one of the worst managerial decisions in many many years. All in all this is what our midfield is, you will struggle to get any consistency from any of that little lot. We have been hurt badly both defensively and up front but we are seriously lacking pace, players who an make things happen and the necessary quality in midfield. The signings have been distinctly average. Edited December 5, 2018 by magicTs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartmussel Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, loveofthegame said: 4 centre mids in a midfield 4 won’t win you many games Correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazajmbo Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Lee needs dropped. Wouldn't even give him a slot on the bench at the moment. Get Harry some game time in his legs. Dump Sean Clare to the reserves until he sorts his performances out aswell. Bozanic & Djoum are impressing lately. Haring needs his operation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartmussel Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Sadly think they are just sitting back and thinking(like most of us)things will be fine when Naismith comes back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 21 minutes ago, dazajmbo said: Lee needs dropped. Wouldn't even give him a slot on the bench at the moment. Get Harry some game time in his legs. Dump Sean Clare to the reserves until he sorts his performances out aswell. Bozanic & Djoum are impressing lately. Haring needs his operation. Agree with u to a certain extent but I'm quite pissed of with cochrane atm after he came out with his dream game would be to play for rangers in the champions league in his most recent interview rangers dropped him to focus on gilmour lad needs to get his head screwed on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattie exploited Posted December 6, 2018 Author Share Posted December 6, 2018 50 minutes ago, dazajmbo said: Lee needs dropped. Wouldn't even give him a slot on the bench at the moment. Get Harry some game time in his legs. Dump Sean Clare to the reserves until he sorts his performances out aswell. Bozanic & Djoum are impressing lately. Haring needs his operation. out off all the midfield players tonight Djoum was the best of the lot still can,t see anything good from Clare from all the hype about him !!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambali Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 2 hours ago, heartsfc_fan said: Did the midfield not score two this evening? It's the lapses in concentration in defence I'm more concerned about tbh. Two wing/full backs who are poor defensively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 IMO it's the lack of passing options that makes our midfield seem laboured. You can't under estimate the running off the ball that the likes of Naismith does and even Mclean when he has the right support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonJambo Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 10 hours ago, EastSideJambo said: That's the one Agreed. There was no zip nor accuracy last night. No intelligent off the ball runs and too many punts to No one from defence. And the ref was incompetent. Were missing Soapys runs through the middle and Naismiths guidance, intelligence and creativity. Mitchell should bring more of an attacking option, as a winger but never at LB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelly Terraces Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 We have virtually zero pace, too little aggression & lack anyone who can drive us forward. Slower than a week in the jail & just as boring to watch. Football from the 1970s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Our midfielders are amazing. It is the refs and injuries to our 2 best strikers and 2 best defenders that are at fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 11 hours ago, DH1986 said: You’re such a tit. The team are struggling......the confidence has been drained after losing almost half a team and dropping points. This isn’t CL’s fault. When we are back to full strength we will turn the corner again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 There must be some way we can blame Djoum... maybe call him lazy or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottg71 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Pedestrian at times. No pace or width. Full backs poor. Wighton never a lone striker. Obviously injuries and obscene refereeing contributing massively but still in the mix for European place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastSideJambo Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 9 hours ago, dazajmbo said: Lee needs dropped. Wouldn't even give him a slot on the bench at the moment. Get Harry some game time in his legs. Dump Sean Clare to the reserves until he sorts his performances out aswell. Bozanic & Djoum are impressing lately. Haring needs his operation. I can see Olly Lee make a fairly quick return to England That lack of gears is frightening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastSideJambo Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 17 minutes ago, TypoonJambo said: Agreed. There was no zip nor accuracy last night. No intelligent off the ball runs and too many punts to No one from defence. And the ref was incompetent. Were missing Soapys runs through the middle and Naismiths guidance, intelligence and creativity. Mitchell should bring more of an attacking option, as a winger but never at LB. This is now largely a squad that Levein has assembled It's missing so many components to make us a dangerous and effective side. Naismith will make a difference for sure but the areas where we are devoid of not only quality, but also urgency, will remain Goodness knows what kind of service we have in mind for Vanecek come January. 4 central mids will create no shortage of opportunities hopefully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB GIN Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 11 hours ago, hearts00 said: Width and pace. Width and pace. Let’s all say it together and keep repeating it until it is fixed. Width and pace. There is people on this forum will disagree with that Slow and congested midfield is the way to play with one up top apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 It’s the way we set up away from home, we’ve played the same way away from home for years. Look to hit a striker early and have the midfield support and compete for knock downs. Happy to bypass the midfield to gain the yards with long balls. It’s eye watering stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It should have been ten Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 11 hours ago, Gambo said: It's all down to the officials allegedly. GTF 11 hours ago, DH1986 said: You’re such a tit. The team are struggling......the confidence has been drained after losing almost half a team and dropping points. This isn’t CL’s fault. When we are back to full strength we will turn the corner again. Spot on with ALL of that ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastSideJambo Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, busby1985 said: It’s the way we set up away from home, we’ve played the same way away from home for years. Look to hit a striker early and have the midfield support and compete for knock downs. Happy to bypass the midfield to gain the yards with long balls. It’s eye watering stuff. Part of the early season run involved narrow wins at Kilmarnock and Motherwell that weren't especially convincing. We got a few breaks early on that we haven't enjoyed in more recent times I'm still a bit baffled how Levein could see this as the strongest squad he's overseen in his time at Hearts. He is stating that we are having a tough time right now and he's right. But he's never tried to vary it. Yes there have been some personnel changes but they've been largely like for like We've assembled a squad of fairly ordinary run of the mill types, interspersed with quality like Naismith and Berra. Sadly neither of these lads are getting any younger. We've spent money on Clare and Wighton and barring a fairly miraculous upturn for both, they appear signings that will add little I can see another huge squad overhaul next summer. Quite a number who were recruited in the summer will be shipped out and another batch will arrive. The result is more than likely to be the same mixed bag Hearts fan support the club financially to a level that's incomparable in Scotland. There is a real danger that we are being short changed by what is happening at first team level I have a feeling that Burns will play central midfield next season beside Cochrane and Haring. I'd be putting Cochrane out on loan in January to assist his readiness for next season. I can see attributes in Burns that are similar to an extent with John McGinn. He appears to have that hard running combative style. We need energy and dig in the middle of the park Edited December 6, 2018 by EastSideJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Confidence, lack of width and lack of movement up front. Easy to see. We have no strikers capable of running the channels, we are very static up front. Width, we could maybe use Morrison and Mitchell more, but neither are consistent. Confidence, we need a win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 30 minutes ago, EastSideJambo said: This is now largely a squad that Levein has assembled It's missing so many components to make us a dangerous and effective side. Naismith will make a difference for sure but the areas where we are devoid of not only quality, but also urgency, will remain Goodness knows what kind of service we have in mind for Vanecek come January. 4 central mids will create no shortage of opportunities hopefully All I get from you is- You are happy when we are doing poorly, let's you crack on with your CL stuff. You'll be gutted if we finish in top 3. Your bleating across multiple threads really is tiresome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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