Dunne out for 6 weeks

[Mikey1874]

57 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Not allowed to ask that I’m afraid , nothing to see here move along.

 

 

Why not

 

You being wide?

[Jamhammer]

1 hour ago, i8hibsh said:

So we are still going with just 'bad luck" then?

 

You know or suspect different?

[i8hibsh]

2 minutes ago, Jamhammer said:

You know or suspect different?

 

 

Highly suspect.

[Jamhammer]

The only injury I'm aware of which hasn't actually occurred during a game is Dunne's. Don't see how the club can be blamed unless, as is entirely possible some folk know better than me

[davemclaren]

2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Highly suspect.

Based on what? 

[Mikey1874]

I think the team is getting stuck in and maybe it is more of a risk when you are prepared to put your body on the line. 

 

Just bad luck though. 

[karipidis]

12 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

Based on what? 

I’m guessing all the injuries. Think it’s not unreasonable to be suspicious of the methods, seems to be injury after injury. 

[davemclaren]

Just now, karipidis said:

I’m guessing all the injuries. Think it’s not unreasonable to be suspicious of the methods, seems to be injury after injury. 

Even though most of them occurred during matches and different grounds? I’ll wait for I8 to come up with the average injury rate and standard deviations before I’ll suspect anything other than randomness. ?

[the general]

As has already been said he was injured in a tackle in a training session

It's disappointing but pretty much unavoidable 

[Pasquale for King]

34 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

I think we had several last season but I can’t remember their names. ?

Smith-Brown, Mitchell, Naismith now Dunne. Forgot about Adao. Hope that helps ??‍♂️??.

[Ministry of Football]

Dunne has been outstanding for Hearts and I think we have helped him as well. 

 

On the plus front, CH, is a position we seem to have put an awful lot of planning into. 

[Pasquale for King]

41 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

 

Why not

 

You being wide?

I’m always wide, literally and metaphorically.

It seems that anyone asking about injuries, querying the medical department or CL is akin being a moon howler. 

For instance, why was Uche played at Ibrox when he clearly had a problem with his Left foot ( not the foot he challenged Carson with which was said was the cause of his injury).

Why was Naismith still on the pitch at 3 nil away to Dundee, after playing two games for Scotland one of which was a meaningless international friendly, to then get a knee knock and allowed to play on before being subbed and then lasting 7 minutes of the semi final days later.

Edited December 3, 2018 by Pasquale for King

[soonbe110]

2 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Confirmed by him being on crutches yesterday 

Crutches can mean anything from two weeks to 9 months. 

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said:

I’m always wide, literally and metaphorically.

It seems that anyone asking about injuries, querying the medical department or CL is akin being a moon howler.

 

We have access to very highly qualified sports scientists, both at the club and from HW.

 

None of us has that kind of understanding of an athlete's body and enough information to actually hold an informed opinion. Sometimes you have to trust that the experts know what they're talking about, more than any of us certainly.

 

So you can question away, but there's no answer anyone can give you that will satisfy, so it seems pretty pointless and negative.

[Mikey1874]

11 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

I’m always wide, literally and metaphorically.

It seems that anyone asking about injuries, querying the medical department or CL is akin being a moon howler. 

For instance, why was Uche played at Ibrox when he clearly had a problem with his Left foot ( not the foot he challenged Carson with which was said was the cause of his injury).

Why was Naismith still on the pitch at 3 nil away to Dundee, after playing two games for Scotland one of which was a meaningless international friendly, to then get a knee knock and allowed to play on before being subbed and then lasting 7 minutes of the semi final days later.

 

That's hindsight 

 

We may have an issue if this is Naismith at the start of being injury prone. Souttar too. 

 

Uche was interesting. I don't think he could have predicted Carson would attack the ball so recklessly but he was brave going into the tackle. But I do know these are hard injuries to diagnose. It was caught fairly quickly. Took 2 years before David Templeton was properly diagnosed and that was Rangers. 

[Pasquale for King]

3 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

We have access to very highly qualified sports scientists, both at the club and from HW.

 

None of us has that kind of understanding of an athlete's body and enough information to actually hold an informed opinion. Sometimes you have to trust that the experts know what they're talking about, more than any of us certainly.

 

So you can question away, but there's no answer anyone can give you that will satisfy, so it seems pretty pointless and negative.

The last time I questioned this I was told we don’t have the best of sports science and technology at all. Apparently the SFA didn’t spend as much on that department as the others and we send players to England to be scanned.

[Pasquale for King]

1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

That's hindsight 

 

We may have an issue if this is Naismith at the start of being injury prone. Souttar too. 

 

Uche was interesting. I don't think he could have predicted Carson would attack the ball so recklessly but he was brave going into the tackle. But I do know these are hard injuries to diagnose. It was caught fairly quickly. Took 2 years before David Templeton was properly diagnosed and that was Rangers. 

How can you say it was caught quickly, it took 5 weeks and he trained and played a game in that time, perhaps worsening the injury meaning more time out? Who cares about Rangers this is about our injuries and their frequency .

[Mikey1874]

Just now, Pasquale for King said:

How can you say it was caught quickly, it took 5 weeks and he trained and played a game in that time, perhaps worsening the injury meaning more time out? Who cares about Rangers this is about our injuries and their frequency .

 

You need to look at the wider picture 

 

Some injuries are hard to diagnose 

 

 

[SUTOL]

1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

You need to look at the wider picture 

 

Some injuries are hard to diagnose 

 

 

 

The Uche injury was discussed in another thread and a Dr* put forward his professional opinion of the injury and diagnosis of it. 

Basically it is very hard to diagnose correctly as it is a fracture that only show when the bone/foot is under stress. 

Or something like that.

 

 

 

* his user name suggests he's a Dr and from some of his other posts you get the impression he is one. 

[SUTOL]

2 hours ago, Cruyff Turn said:

 

From the same search which I found interesting. 

http://trainingground.guru/articles/wright-phenomenal-injury-improvement-down-to-benitez

 

 

 

Interesting, as you say. But scant details of why other than Newcastle have a lot of staff. 

 

 

[Pasquale for King]

11 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

You need to look at the wider picture 

 

Some injuries are hard to diagnose 

 

 

The physio diagnosed it, was she ignored? It was when he was sent to England and he was diagnosed that he then got the operation, maybe that should’ve happened before he was allowed to train and play with the injury would you agree?

[Mikey1874]

9 minutes ago, SUTOL said:

 

The Uche injury was discussed in another thread and a Dr* put forward his professional opinion of the injury and diagnosis of it. 

Basically it is very hard to diagnose correctly as it is a fracture that only show when the bone/foot is under stress. 

Or something like that.

 

 

 

* his user name suggests he's a Dr and from some of his other posts you get the impression he is one. 

 

Just now, Pasquale for King said:

The physio diagnosed it, was she ignored? It was when he was sent to England and he was diagnosed that he then got the operation, maybe that should’ve happened before he was allowed to train and play with the injury would you agree?

 

 

See above

[Pasquale for King]

10 minutes ago, SUTOL said:

 

The Uche injury was discussed in another thread and a Dr* put forward his professional opinion of the injury and diagnosis of it. 

Basically it is very hard to diagnose correctly as it is a fracture that only show when the bone/foot is under stress. 

Or something like that.

 

 

 

* his user name suggests he's a Dr and from some of his other posts you get the impression he is one. 

I don’t think he is, it would be unprofessional to call yourself that.

[davemclaren]

42 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Smith-Brown, Mitchell, Naismith now Dunne. Forgot about Adao. Hope that helps ??‍♂️??.

Connor Randall wasn’t though. Loan players tend not to have mytch first team experience so I imagine injury rate is higher. 

[davemclaren]

4 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

I don’t think he is, it would be unprofessional to call yourself that.

Why? 

[King prawn]

5 hours ago, Gashauskis9 said:

This.  

 

I’m sorry, usually very positive about our players even the limited ones but this guy is an imposter.  Comes across as a genuinely lovely bloke who loves being here, but that’s not enough for me.

 

He cant control a ball, can’t tackle anyone below the waist, can’t head a ball and can’t pass a ball.  He seems to think his long diagonal rocket passes are effective (worked once in about 10 games).  Surely Petkov or Baur is a better option or even Hughes?

 

This is my biggest issue with him. Never looks confident when meeting the ball like Berra or Dunne do and when he does get a head to it, the ball goes straight upwards, more often than not on the edge of our area. 

[SUTOL]

18 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

I don’t think he is, it would be unprofessional to call yourself that.

 

You may be correct, but from his explanation of the injury and the treatment as well as other threads where he has put forward opinion and other things he has spoken about he is either taking his 'persona' to extreme levels or he has some medical knowledge, IMHO.  

 

 

[Unknown user]

45 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

The last time I questioned this I was told we don’t have the best of sports science and technology at all. Apparently the SFA didn’t spend as much on that department as the others and we send players to England to be scanned.

What's the sfa got to do with it?

[Pasquale for King]

48 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

Why? 

I’m sure he said he wasn’t 

[Pasquale for King]

26 minutes ago, Smithee said:

What's the sfa got to do with it?

I mistakenly thought they helped pay for it and it was them that skimped on the facilities, turns out it came from the Scottish Government, HW and Sport Scotlabd. The SFA are just

partners amongst others.

Anything to say the other stuff? No? Didn’t think so.

[Pasquale for King]

38 minutes ago, SUTOL said:

 

You may be correct, but from his explanation of the injury and the treatment as well as other threads where he has put forward opinion and other things he has spoken about he is either taking his 'persona' to extreme levels or he has some medical knowledge, IMHO.  

 

 

Fair enough, anyone can google an injury though. I thought he said he

wasnt.

[Pasquale for King]

57 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

Connor Randall wasn’t though. Loan players tend not to have mytch first team experience so I imagine injury rate is higher. 

Smith-Brown had a year in the Netherlands without much problem, could be a correlation between the two though. 

[SUTOL]

5 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

 I thought he said he wasnt.

 

 

Which one, there's at least two of them? 

 

?

 

 

/

[Pasquale for King]

2 minutes ago, SUTOL said:

 

 

Which one, there's at least two of them? 

 

?

 

 

/

Dr Rob is the one I’m on about? Did you mention two or just say “he” all the time ????

Edited December 3, 2018 by Pasquale for King

[Marvin]

7 hours ago, Dannie Boy said:

   You've have to laugh! We have no luck what so ever. When will this disaster of injuries ever end? Vanacek will arrive play 20 mins score two goals and then be injured for 6 months

 

If this happens then you should be banned from the forum. In fact ban him just for tempting fate.

 

[Unknown user]

17 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

I mistakenly thought they helped pay for it and it was them that skimped on the facilities, turns out it came from the Scottish Government, HW and Sport Scotlabd. The SFA are just

partners amongst others.

Anything to say the other stuff? No? Didn’t think so.

 

 

As I said, we don't just employ sports science professionals ourselves, we also have access to sports scientists that a university with an income of 220+ million PA chooses as expert enough to teach the subject.

 

They know their stuff. 

Edited December 3, 2018 by Smithee

[SUTOL]

15 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Dr Rob is the one I’m on about? Did you mention two or just say “he” all the time ????

 

I never mentioned which one and it's not the one you are talking about. 

But I'm now not sure which one mentioned the Uche injury!  

?

 

 

On that, goodnight.  ?

[i8hibsh]

3 hours ago, davemclaren said:

Based on what? 

 

 

The conveyor belt of injuries

[SUTOL]

2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

The conveyor belt of injuries

 

 

What do you think it is then, rather than bad luck?

[Pasquale for King]

59 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

 

As I said, we don't just employ sports science professionals ourselves, we also have access to sports scientists that a university with an income of 220+ million PA chooses as expert enough to teach the subject.

 

They know their stuff. 

No doubt they do but has that prevented or stopped our horrendous run of injuries since

we came out of administration? My nephew has a sports science degree, is a UEFA A licence football coach and a season ticket holder. He reckons most are contact injuries that can’t be helped. I’m more worried about the diagnosis of injuries that everyone spoke at length about last time. Uches problems, Mitchell playing with an injury last season then CL saying he’d be fit for the weekend, then being operated on after being checked by Man Utd staff, Smith-Browns problems, Naismith playing on with an injury then lasting 7 minutes at Murrayfield. If the facilitator are so good why do they go down south to see specialists? As I said they didn’t spend as much on that side as they could’ve. 

[1971fozzy]

We’ve been so unlucky. Couldn’t write it the last year. I’ve no doubt if we had our full squad we’d still be top

[Unknown user]

5 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

No doubt they do but has that prevented or stopped our horrendous run of injuries since

we came out of administration? My nephew has a sports science degree, is a UEFA A licence football coach and a season ticket holder. He reckons most are contact injuries that can’t be helped. I’m more worried about the diagnosis of injuries that everyone spoke at length about last time. Uches problems, Mitchell playing with an injury last season then CL saying he’d be fit for the weekend, then being operated on after being checked by Man Utd staff, Smith-Browns problems, Naismith playing on with an injury then lasting 7 minutes at Murrayfield. If the facilitator are so good why do they go down south to see specialists? As I said they didn’t spend as much on that side as they could’ve. 

You're talking about two different things though, a sports science department wouldn't be expected to have the medical facilities and personnel that medical practices do. Even the biggest clubs have to send players to medical specialists, I've personally seen an ajax player sitting in a private waiting room in an amsterdam hospital.

 

I worked in tech support for medical diagnostic instruments, it would cost literally millions to have the equipment needed for full diagnoses. Even just an instrument for analysing pets' blood is in the hundreds of thousands, and they're not deemed accurate enough for human use. No one expects Hearts to have that kind of machinery lying around waiting for injuries, so referrals are the only answer. 

 

Things like Uche's injury are hard to diagnose - if you expect pain for two weeks and it's still sore after three, you investigate and refer, but there's no way of knowing there's a deeper rooted problem than what the evidence originally suggested until further evidence, like it not getting better, presents itself.

[deejtee]

14 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

No doubt they do but has that prevented or stopped our horrendous run of injuries since

we came out of administration? My nephew has a sports science degree, is a UEFA A licence football coach and a season ticket holder. He reckons most are contact injuries that can’t be helped. I’m more worried about the diagnosis of injuries that everyone spoke at length about last time. Uches problems, Mitchell playing with an injury last season then CL saying he’d be fit for the weekend, then being operated on after being checked by Man Utd staff, Smith-Browns problems, Naismith playing on with an injury then lasting 7 minutes at Murrayfield. If the facilitator are so good why do they go down south to see specialists? As I said they didn’t spend as much on that side as they could’ve. 

OMG this again!!

In response to unprofessional to mention being medical I don't agree. Many may choose not to.

As regards "going down south" I see absolutely no problem with that. With unusual injuries (or illnesses) further specialist advice or treatment can be required. Scotland is a small country and using international level medical expertise is an option. If Uche needed that level of expertise to diagnose and treat his injury we should be glad the club arranged it.

[i wish jj was my dad]

1 minute ago, Smithee said:

You're talking about two different things though, a sports science department wouldn't be expected to have the medical facilities and personnel that medical practices do. Even the biggest clubs have to send players to medical specialists, I've personally seen an ajax player sitting in a private waiting room in an amsterdam hospital.

 

I worked in tech support for medical diagnostic instruments, it would cost literally millions to have the equipment needed for full diagnoses. Even just an instrument for analysing pets' blood is in the hundreds of thousands, and they're not deemed accurate enough for human use. No one expects Hearts to have that kind of machinery lying around waiting for injuries, so referrals are the only answer. 

 

Things like Uche's injury are hard to diagnose - if you expect pain for two weeks and it's still sore after three, you investigate and refer, but there's no way of knowing there's a deeper rooted problem than what the evidence originally suggested until further evidence, like it not getting better, presents itself.

Stop it Smithee. Just accept it is the fault of the physio, doctors, coaches & Levein that we've had a bad run of injuries. 

 

Won't be long before it is accepted as fact that Levein kicks the players when he eventually does appear at training.

[soonbe110]

1 minute ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

Stop it Smithee. Just accept it is the fault of the physio, doctors, coaches & Levein that we've had a bad run of injuries. 

 

Won't be long before it is accepted as fact that Levein kicks the players when he eventually does appear at training.

Every Thursday between 9.30 and 10.15 I heard. 

[Pasquale for King]

3 minutes ago, Smithee said:

You're talking about two different things though, a sports science department wouldn't be expected to have the medical facilities and personnel that medical practices do. Even the biggest clubs have to send players to medical specialists, I've personally seen an ajax player sitting in a private waiting room in an amsterdam hospital.

 

I worked in tech support for medical diagnostic instruments, it would cost literally millions to have the equipment needed for full diagnoses. Even just an instrument for analysing pets' blood is in the hundreds of thousands, and they're not deemed accurate enough for human use. No one expects Hearts to have that kind of machinery lying around waiting for injuries, so referrals are the only answer. 

 

Things like Uche's injury are hard to diagnose - if you expect pain for two weeks and it's still sore after three, you investigate and refer, but there's no way of knowing there's a deeper rooted problem than what the evidence originally suggested until further evidence, like it not getting better, presents itself.

Fair enough so it’s not the best facilities in the medical department, is that not what I’ve said a few times now?

The physio diagnosed it and he was sent to a specialist after being allowed to train and play, that might’ve made it worse. So we have great sports science facilities and SS but not medical employees, any defence of the other injuries I’ve mentioned?

[soonbe110]

Anyone heard anything concrete re how serious injury to Dunne is? OP said 6 weeks. I heard at game  yesterday that it’s possibly serious enough to end his loan and season. 

[Dagger Is Back]

4 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

He did it twice, I was right behind him when he did it and a quarterback couldn’t have found Smith where he was positioned, far to far up the pitch. I think we’ve seen how average quite a few of the squad,and how they can’t step up,without our best players beside them.

 

Yip was not a clever pass to play. Smith didn’t help him by being too far up the park.

 

 

[CJGJ]

2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Fair enough so it’s not the best facilities in the medical department, is that not what I’ve said a few times now?

The physio diagnosed it and he was sent to a specialist after being allowed to train and play, that might’ve made it worse. So we have great sports science facilities and SS but not medical employees, any defence of the other injuries I’ve mentioned?

What a sad little post 

 

 

[Pasquale for King]

10 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

Stop it Smithee. Just accept it is the fault of the physio, doctors, coaches & Levein that we've had a bad run of injuries. 

 

Won't be long before it is accepted as fact that Levein kicks the players when he eventually does appear at training.

I don’t really care if there is someone to blame for these injuries as most are contact injuries, but if there’s any priblmen with the Training/diagnosis /treatment then it has to be sorted out. Do you think it’s just bad luck?