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Uncle Buck

I thought he should great composure today. When Morelos scored and he didn’t join in the celebrations.

 

Cheating *****.

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Seymour M Hersh
1 minute ago, Uncle Buck said:

I thought he should great composure today. When Morelos scored and he didn’t join in the celebrations.

 

Cheating *****.

 

:laugh:

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Victor Meldrew

I watched on TV and was shocked by the officials' performance. I'm used to poor refereeing in Scotland, but this was on another level.

 

They'll try to fine Levein, but I hope he does what he did with McDonald in the early 2000s. Dare the SFA to try and justify the standard of refereeing.

 

I thought to myself today that we'll never be allowed to win this league. The officials will make sure of that.

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Seymour M Hersh
7 hours ago, Victor Meldrew said:

I watched on TV and was shocked by the officials' performance. I'm used to poor refereeing in Scotland, but this was on another level.

 

They'll try to fine Levein, but I hope he does what he did with McDonald in the early 2000s. Dare the SFA to try and justify the standard of refereeing.

 

I thought to myself today that we'll never be allowed to win this league. The officials will make sure of that.

 

They might but Levein cleverly brought popcorn teeth into it by repeating what he'd said when hibs were beaten at parkhead. I don't think they pulled Lennon up for his comment so can't really do Levein now (of course this being Scotland and the GFA/GPFL....).

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Locky

Madden is a self confessed ex-ST holder at Ibrox. How he's allowed near a Rangers game is beyond me.

 

Pretty sure it was he, who had to get a police escort off the pitch vs Accies last season. Guy is a truly awful referee at this level.

 

Performances like that really make you believe there's an agenda.

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Jeff
2 minutes ago, Locky said:

Madden is a self confessed ex-ST holder at Ibrox. How he's allowed near a Rangers game is beyond me.

 

Pretty sure it was he, who had to get a police escort off the pitch vs Accies last season. Guy is a truly awful referee at this level.

 

Performances like that really make you believe there's an agenda.

 

Yeah it was him. I'm pretty sure thats his first game back at Tynecastle since that shambles

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Locky
1 minute ago, Jeff said:

 

Yeah it was him. I'm pretty sure thats his first game back at Tynecastle since that shambles

Only showed will to take control of the game when a Hearts player caused a fracas. Stood and watched Morelos gesture to Hearts fans and flat out ignored it. Didn't flinch at Goldson running to the Gorgie stand to celebrate either.

 

The same Goldson who stirred up all the hype in the press might I add.

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doctor jambo

Sad thing is it's all so unnecessary . The financial gap alone should ensure easy wins for the of. They really shouldn't need the help.

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doctor jambo

And it's not incompetence - if it was we would get as many poor decisions against the of as they against us, but I'm struggling to find any fishy wins we had against them.

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Steve_Jersey_HMFC

Joke of a ref

 

morelos allowed to abuse the Gorgie (mostly families) stand again and again at first goal, Madden tells him off, he keeps doing it, no booking, second goal does it again, told off, again keeps doing it, no booking for that or the countless fouls he made 

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Back to 2005

Morelos of course was one yellow away from a suspension meaning he would miss the old firm game. I presume the media will highlight this. 

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TexasAndy

Most blatant officiating since the masonic linesman gave Rangers a Pen against us a few years back.   No wonder Scottish football is a joke.  Totally corrupt.  I include all the nodding dog pundits who completely ignore what's in front of them and spew the same old dribble.  You never hear any of them mention the scummy support spouting the 1690 song book or recruiting for the IRA.  If the OF are so obsessed with Ireland then I suggest they F off to the Irish league and leave Scotland to the rest of us.  It might not be top quality but at least it will be clear of corruption, bigotry and sectarianism.  

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crusty1984
1 hour ago, Back to 2005 said:

Morelos of course was one yellow away from a suspension meaning he would miss the old firm game. I presume the media will highlight this. 

Don’t think that’s true...of game is more than 3 weeks away 

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Hearts_fan
1 hour ago, Back to 2005 said:

Morelos of course was one yellow away from a suspension meaning he would miss the old firm game. I presume the media will highlight this. 

 

Is that right? FSS.

 

I'm not sure how much more evidence people need to see to accept that there is favouritism in the national game. 

 

It's not impartial – it's biased. 

 

The only reason Celtic and Rangers both complain about bias is the decision deficit they perceive when they compare each other. 

 

To every rational person outside the Celtic Rangers bubble, it is obvious that there is a field of gravity that pulls favourable decisions towards Celtic and Rangers generally.

 

They complain individually not because they don't get a rub of the green against all the other teams, but because overall they perceive that the other arse cheek is getting more decisions than them. 

 

To them, it doesn't matter a jot that teams like Hearts suffer. 

 

That's how they view the game, through a prism of old firm self-importance, they genuinely believe every other team is just there to provide the platform for them. To them, bad decisions against every other team outwith themselves are completely justifiable because they themselves are the "main purpose" of Scottish football – no one else matters. 

 

Hearts have to suffer the consequences of playing against protected players such as Scott Brown and Alfredo Morelos, because Hearts don't matter in their scheme of things. All that matters is that the Browns and Moreloses remain available for the next "Old Firm" game. 

 

That's what happens when a Rangers fan is put in charge of a crucial Hearts v Rangers match. 

 

Equally worse, we have to endure bent referees like Madden in other matches, such as Hearts v Motherwell etc. As soon as the results of those other matches begin to become threatening to Celtic or Rangers, the same underhand influence can be applied.

 

It's all very obvious, and it's all very sinister. 

 

How can any Hearts supporter deny that Madden was cheating yesterday?

 

We get labelled "paranoid" or "conspiracy theorists", and that's enough to wilt some Hearts fans into subservience. Faced with the prospect of the embarrassment of being called paranoid, they choose to back down, turning on their own instead, and tow the party line claiming that referees are impartial. 

 

Calling people paranoid for pointing out bias is very basic manipulation. More people should have the backbone to stand up to this. 

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VladMagic
1 minute ago, Hearts_fan said:

 

Is that right? FSS.

 

I'm not sure how much more evidence people need to see to accept that there is favouritism in the national game. 

 

It's not impartial – it's biased. 

 

The only reason Celtic and Rangers both complain about bias is the decision deficit they perceive when they compare each other. 

 

To every rational person outside the Celtic Rangers bubble, it is obvious that there is a field of gravity that pulls favourable decisions towards Celtic and Rangers generally.

 

They complain individually not because they don't get a rub of the green against all the other teams, but because overall they perceive that the other arse cheek is getting more decisions than them. 

 

To them, it doesn't matter a jot that teams like Hearts suffer. 

 

That's how they view the game, through a prism of old firm self-importance, they genuinely believe every other team is just there to provide the platform for them. To them, bad decisions against every other team outwith themselves are completely justifiable because they themselves are the "main purpose" of Scottish football – no one else matters. 

 

Hearts have to suffer the consequences of playing against protected players such as Scott Brown and Alfredo Morelos, because Hearts don't matter in their scheme of things. All that matters is that the Browns and Moreloses remain available for the next "Old Firm" game. 

 

That's what happens when a Rangers fan is put in charge of a crucial Hearts v Rangers match. 

 

Equally worse, we have to endure bent referees like Madden in other matches, such as Hearts v Motherwell etc. As soon as the results of those other matches begin to become threatening to Celtic or Rangers, the same underhand influence can be applied.

 

It's all very obvious, and it's all very sinister. 

 

How can any Hearts supporter deny that Madden was cheating yesterday?

 

We get labelled "paranoid" or "conspiracy theorists", and that's enough to wilt some Hearts fans into subservience. Faced with the prospect of the embarrassment of being called paranoid, they choose to back down, turning on their own instead, and tow the party line claiming that referees are impartial. 

 

Calling people paranoid for pointing out bias is very basic manipulation. More people should have the backbone to stand up to this. 

 

Great post. Agree with everything.

 

 

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Felix Lighter
11 hours ago, Victor Meldrew said:

I watched on TV and was shocked by the officials' performance. I'm used to poor refereeing in Scotland, but this was on another level.

 

They'll try to fine Levein, but I hope he does what he did with McDonald in the early 2000s. Dare the SFA to try and justify the standard of refereeing.

 

I thought to myself today that we'll never be allowed to win this league. The officials will make sure of that.

 

I've thought the same for years now.

I read on here often enough what if Vlad hadn't sacked Burley and meddled in team selection.The answer imo is that the outcome would've been no different.Brines, MacDonald, Underhill screwed us over in important games that season and swung it in celtics favour with willful cheating.   

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Thomaso
4 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

They might but Levein cleverly brought popcorn teeth into it by repeating what he'd said when hibs were beaten at parkhead. I don't think they pulled Lennon up for his comment so can't really do Levein now (of course this being Scotland and the GFA/GPFL....).

 

It was very clever of CL to do so.  If he does get called up before the beaks, Lennon will be his star witness!  :naughty:

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Thomaso
1 hour ago, Hearts_fan said:

 

Is that right? FSS.

 

I'm not sure how much more evidence people need to see to accept that there is favouritism in the national game. 

 

It's not impartial – it's biased. 

 

The only reason Celtic and Rangers both complain about bias is the decision deficit they perceive when they compare each other. 

 

To every rational person outside the Celtic Rangers bubble, it is obvious that there is a field of gravity that pulls favourable decisions towards Celtic and Rangers generally.

 

They complain individually not because they don't get a rub of the green against all the other teams, but because overall they perceive that the other arse cheek is getting more decisions than them. 

 

To them, it doesn't matter a jot that teams like Hearts suffer. 

 

That's how they view the game, through a prism of old firm self-importance, they genuinely believe every other team is just there to provide the platform for them. To them, bad decisions against every other team outwith themselves are completely justifiable because they themselves are the "main purpose" of Scottish football – no one else matters. 

 

Hearts have to suffer the consequences of playing against protected players such as Scott Brown and Alfredo Morelos, because Hearts don't matter in their scheme of things. All that matters is that the Browns and Moreloses remain available for the next "Old Firm" game. 

 

That's what happens when a Rangers fan is put in charge of a crucial Hearts v Rangers match. 

 

Equally worse, we have to endure bent referees like Madden in other matches, such as Hearts v Motherwell etc. As soon as the results of those other matches begin to become threatening to Celtic or Rangers, the same underhand influence can be applied.

 

It's all very obvious, and it's all very sinister. 

 

How can any Hearts supporter deny that Madden was cheating yesterday?

 

We get labelled "paranoid" or "conspiracy theorists", and that's enough to wilt some Hearts fans into subservience. Faced with the prospect of the embarrassment of being called paranoid, they choose to back down, turning on their own instead, and tow the party line claiming that referees are impartial. 

 

Calling people paranoid for pointing out bias is very basic manipulation. More people should have the backbone to stand up to this. 

 

 

You are so right!!

 

I remember after the Andy Davis grand larceny, Archie McPherson came out and said "Things even up over the course of the season".

 

He did not mean for Hearts - he was referring to the two Ugly Sisters!!

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true-jambo
2 hours ago, Thomaso said:

 

 

You are so right!!

 

I remember after the Andy Davis grand larceny, Archie McPherson came out and said "Things even up over the course of the season".

 

He did not mean for Hearts - he was referring to the two Ugly Sisters!!

I am sure later in that season, Presley was sent off at Tynecastle against Celtic. McLeish, Rangers manager at the time, made a comment of how that proved there was no old firm bias, they were both treated the same, completely missing the point of course, that it was Hearts who suffered on both occasions.

Same McLeish who, when manager of Hibs complained about how it was impossible to get a decision in Glasgow

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Jeff
4 hours ago, Hearts_fan said:

 

Is that right? FSS.

 

I'm not sure how much more evidence people need to see to accept that there is favouritism in the national game. 

 

It's not impartial – it's biased. 

 

The only reason Celtic and Rangers both complain about bias is the decision deficit they perceive when they compare each other. 

 

To every rational person outside the Celtic Rangers bubble, it is obvious that there is a field of gravity that pulls favourable decisions towards Celtic and Rangers generally.

 

They complain individually not because they don't get a rub of the green against all the other teams, but because overall they perceive that the other arse cheek is getting more decisions than them. 

 

To them, it doesn't matter a jot that teams like Hearts suffer. 

 

That's how they view the game, through a prism of old firm self-importance, they genuinely believe every other team is just there to provide the platform for them. To them, bad decisions against every other team outwith themselves are completely justifiable because they themselves are the "main purpose" of Scottish football – no one else matters. 

 

Hearts have to suffer the consequences of playing against protected players such as Scott Brown and Alfredo Morelos, because Hearts don't matter in their scheme of things. All that matters is that the Browns and Moreloses remain available for the next "Old Firm" game. 

 

That's what happens when a Rangers fan is put in charge of a crucial Hearts v Rangers match. 

 

Equally worse, we have to endure bent referees like Madden in other matches, such as Hearts v Motherwell etc. As soon as the results of those other matches begin to become threatening to Celtic or Rangers, the same underhand influence can be applied.

 

It's all very obvious, and it's all very sinister. 

 

How can any Hearts supporter deny that Madden was cheating yesterday?

 

We get labelled "paranoid" or "conspiracy theorists", and that's enough to wilt some Hearts fans into subservience. Faced with the prospect of the embarrassment of being called paranoid, they choose to back down, turning on their own instead, and tow the party line claiming that referees are impartial. 

 

Calling people paranoid for pointing out bias is very basic manipulation. More people should have the backbone to stand up to this. 

 

He wouldn't have been banned for the OF game. That's on the 29th of December and they play 4 or 5 games between now and then

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Hearts_fan
2 hours ago, Thomaso said:

 

 

You are so right!!

 

I remember after the Andy Davis grand larceny, Archie McPherson came out and said "Things even up over the course of the season".

 

He did not mean for Hearts - he was referring to the two Ugly Sisters!!

 

Exactly. 

 

It's not favoured to one of Celtic or Rangers, it's favoured to them collectively and I am quite sure there are perpetual conversations in the ivory tower of the officiation departments about how to balance the perception of unfair decisions against either one of the arse cheeks.

 

That is inevitably the case because in this prism – with the two clubs' respective power, due to their support size and omnipresence among those in power in the media – there will be a constant power struggle and a constant battle to avoid a perception of favouritism to either side, because in such a scenario a very strong accusation of bias would be claimed by the collective voices of the other arse cheek.

 

In a nutshell, that is the power of veto that the two arse cheeks will forever hold over Scottish Football unless there is a revolution.

 

That revolution could demand that sporting integrity and transparency become the over-arching priorities for the game. 

 

The old firm cronies don't care about the rest of us. They only care about the perception of parity and the self-preservation that comes with mutually assured success.

 

Just like they gang-up together to control TV deals (for example the quantity of their home games broadcast), they use their collective power to ensure that in the corridors of power, it is their collective interests that are served by the refereeing of matches over the course of a season. 

 

For example, if Morelos had been booked yesterday and therefore missed the next old firm match, there would be uncomfortable pressure applied in those corridors – from those of a rangers persuasion – to push the idea that a reciprocal punishment should be levied to Celtic in due course.

 

That is a situation the old firm collective wanted to avoid. In other words, Celtic would have been happy to see Morelos escape unpunished yesterday as it buys them similar credit.

 

It's not about sporting integrity, it's about the integrity of the old firm relationship in the context of maintaining peace in the unseen corridors of power in Glasgow.

 

 

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Hearts_fan
15 minutes ago, true-jambo said:

I am sure later in that season, Presley was sent off at Tynecastle against Celtic. McLeish, Rangers manager at the time, made a comment of how that proved there was no old firm bias, they were both treated the same, completely missing the point of course, that it was Hearts who suffered on both occasions.

Same McLeish who, when manager of Hibs complained about how it was impossible to get a decision in Glasgow

 

Exactly. This is the dynamic that needs to be talked about.

 

This nuance is what gets lost in the debate, as defenders of the old firm (and some subservient fans of other clubs) seek to deflect from this collective dynamic by arguing instead that no one side (or the other side if you're celtic or rangers) has sole favour.

 

This then leads to an endless cycle of finger pointing between the two arse cheeks, when in fact it is both of them.

 

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Hearts_fan
17 minutes ago, Jeff said:

 

He wouldn't have been banned for the OF game. That's on the 29th of December and they play 4 or 5 games between now and then

 

Regardless of whether that is true or not, the point still stands that Bobby Madden protected Morelos yesterday. In the same way Scott brown is protected. That's where the balance lies. 

 

Rangers fans will argue that Morelos has been booked many times already this season, and ask how is he protected. Well, to answer them, tell them to take a look at what he does on the pitch. They only need to look at yesterday's game without blinkers on to recognise that Morelos could have been booked on 5 or 6 occasions yesterday alone.

 

Edited by Hearts_fan

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TheBigO

Someone remind me, as I can't find it on google.  Is there not something ridiculous like 80 or 90% of our top flight refs are all from Lanarkshire?

 

But there's no corruption.

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Marvin
23 hours ago, part_time_jambo said:

First Hearts game for many years, and I always took with a pinch of salt the criticism of match officials, putting it down to understandable bias for your own team. However, that display by the referee today was unbelievably biased in favour of Rangers.

Like many have already posted, how did Morelos not get booked for antagonising the Hearts support after the goal? The referee almost looked as though he was overawed by Morelos, summed up by the time Hearts were taking a free kick, everyone up the park waiting for the kick to be taken, including the referee, when Morelos throws his arms out and complains, prompting Madden to stop the kick and tell Zamal to move it over a bit. 

Also lost count of the number of 50-50 decisions that went Rangers way, and even them getting free kicks that I thought should have been the other way.

 

That said, I thought Rangers just deserved their win, and Hearts lacked any punch in front of goal. Also lost both goals from set pieces, albeit one was offside.

 

 

 

Both were offside.

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TheBigO
3 minutes ago, Hearts_fan said:

 

Regardless of whether that is true or not, the point still stands that Bobby Madden protected Morelos yesterday. In the same way Scott brown is protected. That's where the balance lies. 

 

Rangers fans will argue that Morelos has been booked many times already this season, and ask how is he protected. Well, to answer them, tell them to take a look at what he does on the pitch. They only need to look at yesterday's game without blinkers on to recognise that Morelos could have been booked on 5 or 6 occasions yesterday alone.

 

He basically elbowed Berra very late (Christophe doesn't go down easily), we got the foul, the ref gave Morelos a wee smile to say "oh that was naughty".  Two minutes later, he did the same thing, the ref didn't even give the foul, probably because if he had, he would have had to book him.

 

How many times did Morelos basically run into Berra with his head, then hit the deck rolling about trying to get him booked or sent off?  Again, the ref just let him cheat.  Then his "celebrations" at both goals.  Let's see if Naismith does the same at Ibrox or Parkhead, what would happen to him?  Maybe a yellow?  Maybe eh.

 

And not even mentioned all the other niggly fouls, shirt tugs and theatrics from Morelos.  He shouldn't even have been on the park by the time he scored had the ref done his job (yellow for his first lunge on Berra, yellow for the second one, and a "third" yellow for celebration at first goal - could have been sent off twice!!!).

 

Totoally bent.  

 

FUrther proof of this is the Rangers player who did get booked.  It was probably a booking, but pretty run of the mill, honest attempt for the ball.  If Morelos had done the same, he wouldn't have been booked - ref knows if he books him, he's on that tightrope and will get himself sent off, so easier just not to book him if at all possible.  And it'll be swept under carpet by media, and if Hearts say anything they'll get fined.  And Madden moves on to the next game with no comeuppance, still gets his match fee, still cheats.

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TheBigO
2 minutes ago, Marvin said:

 

Both were offside.

Were they?  Was the first offside?  Fact is, you can;t blame Hearts for the second goal.  It isn't poor defending, in fact the opposite, it's good defending holding a solid line and letting them stray.

 

What I noticed was at the red card, Morelos gets the shot at the rebound - he was offside but the flag didn't go up, so had that gone in, it would have been another offside goal!

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Jeff

There should have been an offside call in the build up to the Rangers red card incident as well. Wasn't even close

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Thomaso
40 minutes ago, Hearts_fan said:

 

Exactly. 

 

It's not favoured to one of Celtic or Rangers, it's favoured to them collectively and I am quite sure there are perpetual conversations in the ivory tower of the officiation departments about how to balance the perception of unfair decisions against either one of the arse cheeks.

 

That is inevitably the case because in this prism – with the two clubs' respective power, due to their support size and omnipresence among those in power in the media – there will be a constant power struggle and a constant battle to avoid a perception of favouritism to either side, because in such a scenario a very strong accusation of bias would be claimed by the collective voices of the other arse cheek.

 

In a nutshell, that is the power of veto that the two arse cheeks will forever hold over Scottish Football unless there is a revolution.

 

That revolution could demand that sporting integrity and transparency become the over-arching priorities for the game. 

 

The old firm cronies don't care about the rest of us. They only care about the perception of parity and the self-preservation that comes with mutually assured success.

 

Just like they gang-up together to control TV deals (for example the quantity of their home games broadcast), they use their collective power to ensure that in the corridors of power, it is their collective interests that are served by the refereeing of matches over the course of a season. 

 

For example, if Morelos had been booked yesterday and therefore missed the next old firm match, there would be uncomfortable pressure applied in those corridors – from those of a rangers persuasion – to push the idea that a reciprocal punishment should be levied to Celtic in due course.

 

That is a situation the old firm collective wanted to avoid. In other words, Celtic would have been happy to see Morelos escape unpunished yesterday as it buys them similar credit.

 

It's not about sporting integrity, it's about the integrity of the old firm relationship in the context of maintaining peace in the unseen corridors of power in Glasgow.

 

 

 

So many good points here.  The weegie pundits, SPL and SFA are already creaming themselves that there could be an OF challenge for the League this season.

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1874robbo

Linesman was right in line with it so don’t know how him or his dog missed it!!!!

 

 

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Marvin
3 hours ago, 1874robbo said:

Linesman was right in line with it so don’t know how him or his dog missed it!!!!

 

 

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If you look the dog is facing away from the action which explains why both didn't see it.

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manaliveits105

Weegia frothing at the mouth over Sir Craig’s comments - both channels trying to ensure punishment 

absolute erse wipes 

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HMFC86

The ridiculous thing is all the media reaction is about stronger penalties for the criticism that refs get, not a word about the fact the comments were accurate and the standard of refereeing so bad.

 

Sadly like the national team setup, nothing will ever change without a complete clearout at hampden. Again unfortunately this will never happen.

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Kiwidoug
33 minutes ago, Marvin said:

 

If you look the dog is facing away from the action which explains why both didn't see it.

Exactly.  The dog has been trained to see even less than the ref.

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dannymack
On 02/12/2018 at 16:28, Paulp74 said:

Only in Scotland would an alleged rangers fan get to referee one of his own teams games.

 

 

Take it you weren't at Dens Park, 3rd May 1986 😉

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Glib and Shameless Crier
11 hours ago, TexasAndy said:

Most blatant officiating since the masonic linesman gave Rangers a Pen against us a few years back.   No wonder Scottish football is a joke.  Totally corrupt.  I include all the nodding dog pundits who completely ignore what's in front of them and spew the same old dribble.  You never hear any of them mention the scummy support spouting the 1690 song book or recruiting for the IRA.  If the OF are so obsessed with Ireland then I suggest they F off to the Irish league and leave Scotland to the rest of us.  It might not be top quality but at least it will be clear of corruption, bigotry and sectarianism.  

 

Not just the pundits, some of our own fans.

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1874robbo
1 hour ago, Marvin said:

 

If you look the dog is facing away from the action which explains why both didn't see it.

Good point 

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farin
5 hours ago, TheBigO said:

Someone remind me, as I can't find it on google.  Is there not something ridiculous like 80 or 90% of our top flight refs are all from Lanarkshire?

 

But there's no corruption.

 

It’s known as the Lanarkshire mafia. Aka the Lanarkshire Referees Association. 

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Jeb Stuart

Rangers dies a number of years ago but the Scottish Football authorities allowed them live and continue as if nothing had happened.

Thats enough evidence for me to show that the system up here is not a level playing field.

Other than Celtic any other club would have been left to wither and die.

Remember Chick Young’s prediction that Scottish Football couldn’t survive without them!

I’m old enough to remember innumerable instances of Favours given to both of these provincial clubs.

So don’t tell me things will even themselves out over a season.

I’ve had almost 60 seasons of following Heart of Midlothian and I can assure you that things never even themselves out .

 

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Geoff the Mince
6 minutes ago, Jeb Stuart said:

Rangers dies a number of years ago but the Scottish Football authorities allowed them live and continue as if nothing had happened.

Thats enough evidence for me to show that the system up here is not a level playing field.

Other than Celtic any other club would have been left to wither and die.

Remember Chick Young’s prediction that Scottish Football couldn’t survive without them!

I’m old enough to remember innumerable instances of Favours given to both of these provincial clubs.

So don’t tell me things will even themselves out over a season.

I’ve had almost 60 seasons of following Heart of Midlothian and I can assure you that things never even themselves out .

 

General Lee was rather upset with you at Gettysburg .

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Jeb Stuart

Mobile phones were poor in 1863.

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NEWSTAND

I have now witnessed the most bias incompetent referee in the Scottish league. How  Madden is allowed to referee a hearts game v his beloved rangers should result in a full investigation as it is obvious to any neutral watching this game that every decision was given one way only and it certainly wasn’t to hearts. This is bordering on corruption and I assume that a report from the overseeing referee will result in a full investigation. That will never happen of course as no one matters in this league other than rangers or Celtic. The only decision he got right was the sending off as he had no choice in the matter. Could not wait to run and book hearts players showing his love at all things rangers. Also I nice cost chat with a rangers player before start of second half the man is a total disgrace .

CL totally right in venting his anger as it is obvious that playing either Celtic or rangers means that any decision is given to the old firm. For fear of upsetting them. Time something was done to eradicate this corruption but I won’t hold my breath. As far as Morelos is concerned if the letter of the law applied he should have been sent off twice!!! Not even booked I rest my case. 

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JamboAl

In all of this Madden has taken the blame and not without reason but what about the Wheatfield linesman?  Who was he and why did the sponsors, Specsavers, not equip him properly?

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OTT

The media were going after him in that press conference like he has no right to question the referees ability when he's had a shocker. The huns already have a massive financial advantage, is it so ridiculous to ask for officials that can actually do their ****ing job right or do they need that helping hand too? Utter scumbags.  None of them were willing to concede that Levein had a point. 

 

If I'm shit at my job, I get punted. If Levein is shit at his job he gets punted. If Dikamona is shit at his job he gets punted. Why are Madden, Collum, Beaton etc. entitled to keep their jobs? Just happening to be Scottish and willing to do it shouldn't entitle these spineless weasels to a job. They're shit. They cannot officiate games well and the SFA  should be looking at foreign referees to bolster ranks and create competition to raise standards. 

 

Here's a question, how many referees in the top flight are from the east of Scotland and can that number be shown as a percentage of the current crop? I'd try to check but the SFA seem to have removed that page from their site... wonder why 

 

See > https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_football_referees.cfm?page=2064&start=11

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Glib and Shameless Crier
1 hour ago, Godric said:

i see the monkeys (knuckle draggers) on fascist fascist are posting about this thread, it's pathetic even when clubs play against the huns tribute act you are playing against 15 men

 

https://www.followfollow.com/forum/threads/jambos-kickback-turned-the-paranoia-up-to-11.56781/

 

That "paranoia" deflection is the oldest trick in the book, and unfortunately too many of our own fans fall for it.

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upgotheheads

In a small(ish) country like Scotland, with such an obvious social and footballing divide centred around our two biggest clubs, maybe it's time that the football authorities accepted the facts on old firm bias.

With the best will in the world no Rangers/Celtic supporting ref will quickly give a decision against his 'own' club, especially when it's a game changer.

 

I don't know if it's true that Madden was actually a Sevco season ticket holder, but if it is he should never referee one of their games.

 

Games involving either of the Old Firm should be refereed by an English, Irish or Welsh refs. It would be very easy to organise and costs would be minimal.

 

 

 

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44 minutes ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said:

 

That "paranoia" deflection is the oldest trick in the book, and unfortunately too many of our own fans fall for it.

It's gone on for too long. Those that think that all of this is paranoia are totally deluding themselves.  I reckon most of us have zero expectation of getting any sort of unbiased performance from any of the SFA officials when we play either of the arse cheeks. It's become a farce and Sunday just proved the point yet again.

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Boab
25 minutes ago, Deevers said:

It's gone on for too long. Those that think that all of this is paranoia are totally deluding themselves.  I reckon most of us have zero expectation of getting any sort of unbiased performance from any of the SFA officials when we play either of the arse cheeks. It's become a farce and Sunday just proved the point yet again.

 

I hear that but i've asked questions about this when we have had a decent crack of the whip, 4-0 v Hooped demons, and the reply is that we didn't give him a chance to make any bad calls.

Sorry, that is paranoia !

The guy had a good game, Madden had a shocker on Sunday.

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Hearts_fan

I see not one of the rangers fans mentioning Morelos's behaviour throughout the match, his elbows, his diving, his inciting the crowd on numerous occasions. 

 

Those blinkers must be incredibly powerful.

 

In fairness, much of Morelos's behaviour wasn't covered by TV, and many of those rangers fans weren't at the match to see it.

 

Most of us were.

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