Tommy Robinson

[Beast Boy]

17 minutes ago, Peebo said:

 

“Tommy Robinson” is a fraud, who has made a successful career out of appealing to racists, morons and (increasingly, it seems) the wilfully ignorant.

 

You have hit the bullseye here. Perhaps some of the posters who are screeching about “research”, should do some themselves, and maybe start with what the Luton casuals from his time there think of him? Wee Tommy has done very well for himself indeed, and the profits he has made from stirring up racial hatred are not inconsiderable. I don’t think Tommy even knows what he believes anymore. He just knows that appealing to right people’s fears means more money rolling in. 

[ri Alban]

30 minutes ago, WeeChuck'sHeed said:

 

 

Not going to get involved too much, but in general today's politicians and the leaning towards the far right is exactly like the Nazis and how, over 15 years they rose then taken power. 

 

The similarities are almost exactly the same. 

 

Not saying TR is a nazi, but folk with his views, and the likes of Trump, Boris, the far right in Italy and the likes of Hungary are almost like for like mirroring Europe in the twenties / thirties. 

 

Right down to Russia being " neutral". 

 

The world today, apart from an all out war ( still time) is very similar to the of 30's.

 

It didn't start with gas Chambers and all out war. 

 

It started out with a book and a wee chap with a moustache gainng support with "Pro" German speaches during a time of economic crisis and starting a  people's party. 

 

I've read allot of nazi books including the first part of Mein kempf ( gave up, either translates bad or/ and/ or is gibberish for the most). 

 

Our football club should also steer well clear of politics and especially niche politics. We aren't rangers or celtic. 

Russia Neutral? Aye, right. They fought the fascists from the start from the Spanish Civil War, while GB, F and the USA did nothing. I just don't get why they left China at the hands of Japan. Strange one. 

 

Splitting Poland and the way they treat German civilians post victory was disgusting. 

Edited November 15, 2018 by ri Alban

[i8hibsh]

1 minute ago, Dalstonjambo said:

He literally is a fraud. He was convicted of it

 

 

That is not what we were talking about. Also, watch his account of that on you tube.

[Peebo]

4 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Fraud he is not. He is exactly what it says on the tin. He lives and dies by the sword.

Uses a fake name, as his real one is too posh/Irish. Literally a convicted fraudster. Convicted illegal immigrant. 

 

But aye, as real as the come ?

[i8hibsh]

1 minute ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said:

 

You have hit the bullseye here. Perhaps some of the posters who are screeching about “research”, should do some themselves, and maybe start with what the Luton casuals from his time there think of him? Wee Tommy has done very well for himself indeed, and the profits he has made from stirring up racial hatred are not inconsiderable. I don’t think Tommy even knows what he believes anymore. He just knows that appealing to right people’s fears means more money rolling in. 

 

 

How can he be held accountable for the actions of others? He clearly does have the pied piper about him and racists do follow but TR is by no means a racist.

[i8hibsh]

1 minute ago, Peebo said:

Uses a fake name, as his real one is too posh/Irish. Literally a convicted fraudster. Convicted illegal immigrant. 

 

But aye, as real as the come ?

 

 

That is not why he changed his name. Again, watch his videos.

 

Many peopke use fake/stage names.

[Dalstonjambo]

2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

That is not what we were talking about. Also, watch his account of that on you tube.

You said he wasn’t a fraud. He was literally convicted of it. And he admitted it btw. I don’t need to watch the you tube video. Let me guess, ‘they are trying to silence a freedom fighter in any way possible’? Like when he was warned repeatedly about being in contempt of court and carried on?

 

If he’s not a fraud why has he used 3 pseudonyms? 

 

I’ll also repeat i know people who have been in social situations with him. He is an absolute thug and a scumbag. 

[Peebo]

3 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

That is not why he changed his name. Again, watch his videos.

 

Many peopke use fake/stage names.

Indeed. Purporting to be something they are not for financial gain. Actors/singers in show business; frauds elsewhere. 

 

Exactly what hes he says on the tin, though ?

Edited November 15, 2018 by Peebo

[BangkokHearts]

1 minute ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

That is not why he changed his name. Again, watch his videos.

 

Many peopke use fake/stage names.

 

Only those with something to hide use pseudonyms.

[Thumper]

4 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Russia Neutral? Aye, right. They fought the fascists from the start from the Spanish Civil War, while GB, F and the USA did nothing. I just don't get why they left China at the hands of Japan. Strange one. 

 

Splitting Poland and the way they treat German civilians post victory was disgusting. 

 

The Spanish Civil War?  Really?  They were as busy fighting other leftist groups who didn't conform to their Stalinist version of Communism as they were the fascists.  Franco could have been stopped if they had just concentrated their vast resources on defeating him.

[Beast Boy]

Just now, i8hibsh said:

 

 

How can he be held accountable for the actions of others? He clearly does have the pied piper about him and racists do follow but TR is by no means a racist.

 

“Racists do follow”... perhaps that is the problem I8. For example, there are a lot of names in that photograph, linked and liked. One of them has very strong views on black people or “coons” as he calls them. Robinson uses the racism to make money for himself. The racists use him as their poster boy. The problem here, is that it is the kids of Hearts supporters that are following his pipe on this occasion. You should read up on what the people of Luton think of him. Now that he’s ****ed off to Milton Keynes, he has left behind a mess that no community there is happy about.

[Thumper]

4 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

That is not why he changed his name. Again, watch his videos.

 

Many peopke use fake/stage names.

 

Not surprised to see you defending this clown.

 

[i8hibsh]

2 minutes ago, BangkokHearts said:

 

Only those with something to hide use pseudonyms.

 

 

Elton John?

Elvis Costello?

Sting?

Jimmy Crankie?

[i8hibsh]

1 minute ago, Thumper said:

 

Not surprised to see you defending this clown.

 

 

 

I will defend anyone who falsely gets accused of being a nazi or a racist.

[ethan14]

Another s##t KB thread, everyone has different views on things, everyone won't agree, better keeping things about football then everyone's happy

[Bull's-eye]

3 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

I will defend anyone who falsely gets accused of being a nazi or a racist.

 

On a football forum?

 

[ri Alban]

9 minutes ago, Thumper said:

 

The Spanish Civil War?  Really?  They were as busy fighting other leftist groups who didn't conform to their Stalinist version of Communism as they were the fascists.  Franco could have been stopped if they had just concentrated their vast resources on defeating him.

I don't disagree, but Stalin at least tried. Testing weapons or not. 

 

Do u think stopping Franco could've stopped Hitler? Possibly, what do think? 

Edited November 15, 2018 by ri Alban

[i8hibsh]

4 minutes ago, ethan14 said:

Another s##t KB thread, everyone has different views on things, everyone won't agree, better keeping things about football then everyone's happy

 

 

We argue more over football sadly.

[i8hibsh]

5 minutes ago, Oliver Twist said:

 

On a football forum?

 

 

 

I never started the thread.

[WageThief]

15 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Russia Neutral? Aye, right. They fought the fascists from the start from the Spanish Civil War, while GB, F and the USA did nothing. I just don't get why they left China at the hands of Japan. Strange one. 

 

Splitting Poland and the way they treat German civilians post victory was disgusting. 

 

Utter rubbish regarding the Spanish Civil War.  They fought against and destroyed the proper socialist revolution in Catalonia.  They sought out and killed socialist leaders who weren't aligned with Russia as a priority.  They were as much a problem as anything else.  Orwell fought for the POUM - see what he says about it.

[ethan14]

Just now, i8hibsh said:

 

 

We argue more over football sadly.

 

Won't disagree with you on that

[Bazzas right boot]

21 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Russia Neutral? Aye, right. They fought the fascists from the start from the Spanish Civil War, while GB, F and the USA did nothing. I just don't get why they left China at the hands of Japan. Strange one. 

 

Splitting Poland and the way they treat German civilians post victory was disgusting. 

 

 

Sorry was my neutral comment not sarcastic enough...... ?

Russia are " neutral". 

 

 

 

[Mr Elwood P]

33 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Fraud he is not. He is exactly what it says on the tin. He lives and dies by the sword.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/23/edl-founder-tommy-robinson-jailed-mortgage-fraud

 

 

[WageThief]

28 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Fraud he is not. He is exactly what it says on the tin. He lives and dies by the sword.

 

He lives by his brave old sword, but he dies because of the hard left and mainstream media.  As part of their whole collaboration to elect prominent socialists such as Tony Blair or David Cameron or Theresa May to office and to promote Islam by means of ignoring paedophile cases and bombing dictators in the Middle East/North Africa.

 

Definitely not a fraud.

[Goldstone Wonder]

37 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Fraud he is not. He is exactly what it says on the tin. He lives and dies by the sword.

Stephen Yaxley-Lennons isn’t even who says he is he’s such a fraud!

[Sexton Hardcastle]

See how all the wee want to be casuals on Twitter etc are greeting at how they raised 17k or so, do the organisations and charities who allegedly received said money know who is behind it all? Pretty sure some of them would change their tune with such extreme views and agendas.

 

 

[Dalstonjambo]

19 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

I will defend anyone who falsely gets accused of being a nazi or a racist.

I think I preferred your hilarious stuff about mocking our assistant managers long hair and making up childish nicknames for Hearts players and staff. At least that just made you look immature. 

 

It also completely removed all credibility you would ever have in an argument pn this board given you are an adult. 

 

However it was a hell of a lot less concerning than some of the stuff you have posted on this thread. People are entitled to their views and opinions but being so obtusely unaware of the truth is concerning. 

[ri Alban]

13 minutes ago, WageThief said:

 

Utter rubbish regarding the Spanish Civil War.  They fought against and destroyed the proper socialist revolution in Catalonia.  They sought out and killed socialist leaders who weren't aligned with Russia as a priority.  They were as much a problem as anything else.  Orwell fought for the POUM - see what he says about it.

Still anti fascist. 

13 minutes ago, WeeChuck'sHeed said:

 

 

Sorry was my neutral comment not sarcastic enough...... ?

Russia are " neutral". 

 

 

 

Nooooooooo!! 

[S Form]

Don’t know about ‘Robinson’ but seen a couple of TV interviewees with his followers - no doubt about it, they were thick racists.

[EastSideJambo]

3 hours ago, queensferryjambo said:

 

I was in the back row of W22 with my wife.

 

Outside of an awful day on the park it was an eye opening and horrible experience off it.

 

 

Couldn't agree more 

[Bazzas right boot]

37 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

I've never been one for the thread police (shock) but we are now venturing into shed territory. I love it though, bebate like this always oils my cranks and ignites my fire.

 

You say politicians leaning to the far right. There are very few 'far right' governments in the Western World or politicians for that matter which imo is certainly a good thing. Would not say TR is either. People tend to just label 'far right' as soon as someone mentions the 'I' word (immigration).

 

We really need to duscuss it more. It is very clearly (recent 'shock' elections) needed. People want it discussed as priority and the first politician to bring it forward will get the 'x' on the paper. This is not far right. It is common sense. People want to know who is moving in next door. I ask very respectfully though who you class as "far right"? President Trump is not. Nigel Farage and Boris are not

 

 

We are straining from the topic and tbh I give guys like TR very little time, for various reasons. 

 

Trump is far right, he wanted to build a wall between two countries and at this very moment there are people in cages, children, women. Search it. Ffs. He's demonising certain cultures, even the supreme Court has been involved. He's aired various sexist, racist tweets. 

He is also against things like universal health care and openly threatens other countries. 

He even threatened to beat a protestor at one of his conferences and said he'd pay the legal bills for anyone who did. 

 

If that's not far right, then I don't know what is. 

 

He also listens to no one, surrounds himself by like minded people and controls the media. 

 

Farrage is like TR, for the little I know of him. TR wants to be Farrage imo. 

 

Farrage who championed brexit then got his two children German passports. He's a cartoon character, unfortunately folk buy into his rheotric.

 

Boris, see trump. He's just a posh version. 

 

Read Nazis- a warning from history. It's full of characters like TR,Borris, Farrage and Trump. Just not sure who the lead will be yet. 

 

Anyhow, I know your political views and they are almost the opposite from mine. 

 

History will judge who was dangerous and who is genuine, by then it will be too late ofc. 

 

History shows that society will always have its scape goats, women, blacks, honosexuals, the poor, working class, different cultures. 

We go about in a circle and the far right usually gains traction after economic uncertainty. 

 

10 years after the 1929 recession we had a war, 10 years after the banking crash, we now have brexit and people blaming immigration ( it wasn't them, it was on the news, the banks caused the **** up). 

 

Different scales of pushback, but the result is the same, normal folk blaming each other and lashing out while the super rich laugh at us. 

[Pans Jambo]

He has nothing to do with Hearts & for the vast majority, he’s not welcome. I’m sure his views would ashame my Hearts supporting granddads whom I never met as they both died fighting far right nazi extremists in WWII. 

I find it disgusting that he (allegedly) is using McRae’s Battalion to suit his own agenda. And even worse that morons on here support that. 

[MR INCREDIBLE]

Sorry tree huggers you have all been taken in by the MSM.

Tommy Robinson is a true British hero!!

[i8hibsh]

12 minutes ago, Goldstone Wonder said:

Stephen Yaxley-Lennons isn’t even who says he is he’s such a fraud!

 

 

Most of the 18,000 JKB members do not use their real name.

[Bazzas right boot]

2 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

He has nothing to do with Hearts & for the vast majority, he’s not welcome. I’m sure his views would ashame my Hearts supporting granddads whom I never met as they both died fighting far right nazi extremists in WWII. 

I find it disgusting that he (allegedly) is using McRae’s Battalion to suit his own agenda. And even worse that morons on here support that. 

 

 

I can see that. 

Really disrespectful and disturbing those who are leaning that way while wearing the poppy and supporting " our troops". 

 

Another thread had folk doing the nazi salute while wearing a poppy, Ffs. 

 

Not TR, but no doubt folk that support TR and share his views. 

 

 

[Haken]

There are absoluterly no surprises on this thread.  

 

Edit - and just for clarity, this individual has no association with our club.  As a soapbox 'politician', he should steer as far away from associating himself in any way with our club or our club's history.

Edited November 15, 2018 by Haken

[i8hibsh]

14 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

He has nothing to do with Hearts & for the vast majority, he’s not welcome. I’m sure his views would ashame my Hearts supporting granddads whom I never met as they both died fighting far right nazi extremists in WWII. 

I find it disgusting that he (allegedly) is using McRae’s Battalion to suit his own agenda. And even worse that morons on here support that. 

 

 

Welcome or not he has the freedom and right to be seen with a McCrae's batallion flag. 

 

McCrae's batallion et al DID NOT fight against the Tommy Robinson's of Britain, they fought FOR the Tommy Robinson's of Britain. People can like it or not but that can be taken to the bank 

Edited November 15, 2018 by i8hibsh

[Bull's-eye]

3 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Most of the 18,000 JKB members do not use their real name.

 

I do.

[Sexton Hardcastle]

What’s the name of the group/fund raisers claiming to have handed over 17k this year? Be interested to learn a bit more about them.

[i8hibsh]

9 minutes ago, WeeChuck'sHeed said:

 

 

We are straining from the topic and tbh I give guys like TR very little time, for various reasons. 

 

Trump is far right, he wanted to build a wall between two countries and at this very moment there are people in cages, children, women. Search it. Ffs. He's demonising certain cultures, even the supreme Court has been involved. He's aired various sexist, racist tweets. 

He is also against things like universal health care and openly threatens other countries. 

He even threatened to beat a protestor at one of his conferences and said he'd pay the legal bills for anyone who did. 

 

If that's not far right, then I don't know what is. 

 

He also listens to no one, surrounds himself by like minded people and controls the media. 

 

Farrage is like TR, for the little I know of him. TR wants to be Farrage imo. 

 

Farrage who championed brexit then got his two children German passports. He's a cartoon character, unfortunately folk buy into his rheotric.

 

Boris, see trump. He's just a posh version. 

 

Read Nazis- a warning from history. It's full of characters like TR,Borris, Farrage and Trump. Just not sure who the lead will be yet. 

 

Anyhow, I know your political views and they are almost the opposite from mine. 

 

History will judge who was dangerous and who is genuine, by then it will be too late ofc. 

 

History shows that society will always have its scape goats, women, blacks, honosexuals, the poor, working class, different cultures. 

We go about in a circle and the far right usually gains traction after economic uncertainty. 

 

10 years after the 1929 recession we had a war, 10 years after the banking crash, we now have brexit and people blaming immigration ( it wasn't them, it was on the news, the banks caused the **** up). 

 

Different scales of pushback, but the result is the same, normal folk blaming each other and lashing out while the super rich laugh at us. 

 

 

You mean a wall that already existed before he was elected?

[i8hibsh]

1 minute ago, Oliver Twist said:

 

I do.

 

 

I knew it was you!

[WageThief]

6 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Still anti fascist. 

 

Not really. More expansionary Stalinist opportunist

 

There was no anti-fascism in the purges in Barcelona.

[WageThief]

3 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Welcome or not he has the freedom and right to be seen with a McCrae's batallion flag. 

 

McCrae's batallion et al DID NOT fight against the Tommy Robinson's of Britain, they fought FOR the Tommy Robinson's if Britain. People can like it or not but that can be taken to the bank 

 

I suppose I could take it to the bank, but can I deposit shite in the bank?

[i8hibsh]

1 minute ago, WageThief said:

 

Not really. More expansionary Stalinist opportunist

 

There was no anti-fascism in the purges in Barcelona.

 

 

Anyone who does not support an independent Scotland is a fascist to aussieh.

[The Internet]

5 minutes ago, Haken said:

There are absoluterly no surprises on this thread.  

 

This, along with a slight bout of depression, is all I've taken from this thread. 

[i8hibsh]

Just now, WageThief said:

 

I suppose I could take it to the bank, but can I deposit shite in the bank?

 

 

Yup most people's salaries can be classed as that.

[Jammy T]

3 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

This thread is a total carcrash. The only fascism I see are in these posts. I emplore people to actually watch Tommy Robinson interviews. I mean really watch them and not just an EDL one from 7 years ago.

 

I really like listening to him and agree with a lot he says. I get I may be a tad 'too honest' for this forum but it is what it is. People seem to just hate him just because it is the 'right thing to do' and they don't want people to think badly of them.

 

Personally, I could not give a flying **** what people think of me on here. I am not a fascist or a racist. I know people want to believe supporters of TR are, desperately so infact but it simply is not the reality. People need to grow up a bit and embrace other opinions. Also learning the true meaning of fascism or racism would help also.

 

 

Good post and agreed.

[Bazzas right boot]

Just now, i8hibsh said:

 

 

You mean a wall that already existed before he was elected?

 

1 minute ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

You mean a wall that already existed before he was elected?

 

 

Various media on it. 

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/mexico-border-wall-donald-trump-planning-much-will-cost-will/amp/

 

 

It was his flagship election policy. 

 

Ofc, like most things from the right- there is very is little thought , substance or practicality about anything they propose. Just slogans, tag lines generally hot air. Like Hitler in the 20's for example. 

 

Folk don't realise that they are entering something dangerous until it's too late. It's not anyone's fault, it's human nature at its most basic to think short term and take care of yourself and your own. 

 

 

[Heartsofgold]

2 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Explain how he is a nazi? I think you owe that after such a severe accusation.

 

Are you for real?!?!

[WageThief]

1 minute ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Yup most people's salaries can be classed as that.

 

Yup especially in the UK it would seem.  Perhaps focusing on inflation linked pay rises and higher minimum wages might be the answer.

 

Or you can watch / listen to Tommy Robinson talking about Islam.