Tommy Robinson

[Mark M]

The chattering class consensus re Tommy Robinson is spectacularly childish and ill informed. Today openly campaigning against mass gang child rape across England and opposing an ideology that mandates death to homosexuals and apostates makes one 'far right.'  If  Corbyn can be HMaj's leader of the opposition with his public record, actions and associations then it is all quite funny that  snaps with TM is cause for instant pearl clutching.

 

That said, I agree with the sentiment football clubs should avoid political involvement.

[Heartsofgold]

This Nazi ******* better never turn up at Tynecastle.  total waste of oxygen.

[Gizmo]

15 minutes ago, RussAsia said:

The lefts are out in force..

 

Now while Tommy Robinson seems to have made a few mistakes in the past, he distanced himself from the EDL when it took a more racist turn and recently all he seems to have done is highlight muslim grooming gangs which was shockingly given a media ban by the government.. he also stands up for people in the armed forces..

 

I only started seeing him in the last year or so but maybe someone could tell me what has everyone up in arms.

 

I tend to think that people in Edinburgh and Scotland as a whole are pretty sheltered from immigration as most immigrants don't travel much further north than Yorkshire. maybe people on here would think differently if they happened to live in some of the areas worst affected by it..

 

I should also say that I live in a different country have mixed race family before anyone starts throwing the racist card around.. 

He's hardly "highlighting" them by turning up outside a court where they are being tried, ie the law has  already caught them and charged them. By this stage, all he was doing was causing a potential miscarriage of justice, all to further his own notoriety, play the martyr card and bleat about freedom of speech. 

[Hungry hippo]

14 minutes ago, Mark M said:

The chattering class consensus re Tommy Robinson is spectacularly childish and ill informed. Today openly campaigning against mass gang child rape across England and opposing an ideology that mandates death to homosexuals and apostates makes one 'far right.'  If  Corbyn can be HMaj's leader of the opposition with his public record, actions and associations then it is all quite funny that  snaps with TM is cause for instant pearl clutching.

 

That said, I agree with the sentiment football clubs should avoid political involvement.

 

The key paragraph is the last one. Thus is nothing to do with our club. 

[Jammy T]

1 hour ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said:

 

This one?

 

 

Inhonestly did not realise we were all living under Sharia Law now. ****... I would have like more publicity to have been given to this monumental change in our former democracy.

 

 

The most interesting thing about the start of this interview is that Paxman is totally clueless about the difference between what we now call moderate Muslims as against conservative Islam (Wahhabism for example) that Robinson was talking about.

 

I don’t like Robinson, and he isn’t eloquent, but he is or has been right about some things.

 

The problem is that we are now forced to close down any discussion that criticises Islam as it is ‘Islamaphobic’. This despite the most traditional and conservative form of Islam beheading gays, mistreating/beating women and basically being guilty of paedophilic practices with their child brides.

[jockmac]

He actually makes a lot of good points, the racist/facist/Nazi stuff he gets labelled with, comes from the hard left and main stream media, this is mainly to try and deter and shut down people from actually listening and debating what he says. 

 

Ive honestly never heard anything outright racist in his comments, he does speak out against the dangers of radical Islam, which is an religious ideology, not a race.  

 

All religions should be able to stand up to questioning, scrutiny and criticism.

Why should Islam be any different.

[jamboinglasgow]

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Edited November 15, 2018 by jamboinglasgow
actually cant be arsed getting into argument.

[Morph]

Hopefully hearts just come out and publicly ban him from tynecastle. 

 

Has no business being anywhere near a football ground in Scotland other than causing trouble and he’s the last thing we need to be associated with. 

 

If im honest I couldn’t really give a **** about the bigotry, I’d rather it didn’t exist but it’s always going to be there.  This guy is in a completely different league though and we should be making the point that the club (and I assume mccraes) wants nout to do with him. 

[boag1874]

Keep him as far away as possible. Whatever your opinion on him, he has absolutely 0 business being anywhere near our club.

 

Leave all politics at the door.

[Sir Vladimir of Romanov]

1 hour ago, redm said:

Urgh, having that flag behind them is the most repulsive desecration of the fine name of McCrae’s Battalion. Wonder who’s going to break it to them that McCrae’s actually fought to save us from the poison of people just like Robinson? 

 

Clueless. Absolutely clueless. 

 

Who owns the flag? I always assumed it would be one of our more cerebral supporters. Guess not. 

[Mr Elwood P]

Ironic that racists, bigots and white supremacists always have the lowest IQ of anyone you meet in any given country. They are naturally oblivious to the fact that their stupidity contradicts the very foundation of their entire belief system. 

 

Absolute dingles!

Edited November 15, 2018 by Mr Elwood P

[heartsfc_fan]

Genuinely had to Google who this guy was. Never heard of him.

Wish I hadn't now. FFS...

[Mr Elwood P]

54 minutes ago, RussAsia said:

The lefts are out in force..

 

Now while Tommy Robinson seems to have made a few mistakes in the past, he distanced himself from the EDL when it took a more racist turn and recently all he seems to have done is highlight muslim grooming gangs which was shockingly given a media ban by the government.. he also stands up for people in the armed forces..

 

I only started seeing him in the last year or so but maybe someone could tell me what has everyone up in arms.

 

I tend to think that people in Edinburgh and Scotland as a whole are pretty sheltered from immigration as most immigrants don't travel much further north than Yorkshire. maybe people on here would think differently if they happened to live in some of the areas worst affected by it..

 

I should also say that I live in a different country have mixed race family before anyone starts throwing the racist card around.. 

 

Edinburgh has the highest rate of migrants in Scotland with over 30000 Spanish immigrants and over 15000 polish immigrants. Perhaps they aren’t the ‘type’ of immigrants that’s create the ‘worst affects’ as you put it?

[SpruceBringsteen]

I don't imagine he'd be allowed on the Tynecastle premises for so much as a second.

 

Dull yin for the racist piece of garbage and all his thick as pigshit wee acolytes.

 

[BigC]

The replies on this thread show how utterly deep rooted the cancer of fascism is spreading among the Hearts support.

 

Every lie Robinson tells is tinged with truth.

 

Yes there were Asian Grooming gangs in many towns in England. Yes the authorities were slow to respond. But the main prosecutor who jailed them all was also a Muslim. 

 

Yes islam is a religion and not a race but Muslims are held to a completely different standard to Christians and that is based on racism, whether consciously or not. The bible has the same awful homophobia but we assume that most Christians pick and choose, while Muslims are not given the same benefit of the doubt.

 

When a bunch of young football bams all of a sudden become obsessive about animal welfare and going on about Halal meat being cruel, you can pretty much bet that they’re being selective in who they accuse of cruelty.

 

I bet none of them are joining PETA and chucking redpaint over rich white ladies in real fur coats and couldn’t tell you where the meat in their last burger came from. They just happen to be concerned about the only animal cruelty perpetrated by people with brown skin....

 

If you are genuinely interested in curbing religious influence in public life, join the Humanist Society in Scotland or the National Secular Society UK wide. They both manage to raise all these issues along with FGM, without simply targeting brown people and trying to recruit young boys who are impressed by Danny Dyer style trouble at football.

[EastSideJambo]

1 hour ago, Hungry hippo said:

Absolute scum trying to associate that with the club never mind the battalion.

 

Exactly why Budge is correct to ban all sectarian AND political connections at the club. 

 

Anyone who sat near the segregation in the top tier of the West Stand is likely to have heard some bam trying to taunt the Celtic fans about Robinson - was a complete cringe.

I couldn't have been closer to the segregation point in West 22. It was a depressing experience in every sense 

[Morph]

13 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said:

 

Edinburgh has the highest rate of migrants in Scotland with over 30000 Spanish immigrants and over 15000 polish immigrants. Perhaps they aren’t the ‘type’ of immigrants that’s create the ‘worst affects’ as you put it?

Surely his argument only strengthens the fact that it’s a bit daft for Scottish folk to buy into all the shite he spouts when the majority of it has nothing to do with Scottish life?

 

Think the guys in the photo are daft for supporting Robinson and I don’t think it’s a good look to pose in front of hearts flags with Robinson masks but don’t think any of them should be banned from tynecastle based on that photo.  I think you start going down a risky path when fans are being banned purely for their political beliefs regardless of how shite you think they are. 

 

Robinson is a completely different matter though, he’ll probably not even heard of hearts before that photo and all he’d be doing is coming up here to cause bother and bring all that shite that seems to follow him about.  If he genuinely is serious about coming  I hope hearts make it very clear he isn’t welcome at a match.  If he wants to meet those guys at the pub or whatever fire on there’s nothing the club can do but don’t think we should be associated with him in any way. 

[Captain Lithuania]

40 minutes ago, boag1874 said:

Keep him as far away as possible. Whatever your opinion on him, he has absolutely 0 business being anywhere near our club.

 

Leave all politics at the door.

This is the most sensible reply on the thread. 

[BigC]

40 minutes ago, jockmac said:

He actually makes a lot of good points, the racist/facist/Nazi stuff he gets labelled with, comes from the hard left and main stream media, this is mainly to try and deter and shut down people from actually listening and debating what he says. 

 

Ive honestly never heard anything outright racist in his comments, he does speak out against the dangers of radical Islam, which is an religious ideology, not a race.  

 

All religions should be able to stand up to questioning, scrutiny and criticism.

Why should Islam be any different.

 

When he initially speaks he sounds like a less eloquent Christopher Hitchens and many of the things he says are true (and are open goals for someone like him). Stuff like “sharia law is bad, especially the sexist stuff” or “there are bits of the Koran that are homophobic”. No shit. 

 

But his his arguments fail when put under any scrutiny. Have you ever seen him outside the trial of a white paedophile? No.

 

His rhetoric is to turn people against Muslims, which intended or not ends up with innocent people getting targeted, and also suffering much more subtle forms of discrimination, like their CV getting tossed in the bin if they are called Muhammad. 

[BigC]

8 minutes ago, EastSideJambo said:

I couldn't have been closer to the segregation point in West 22. It was a depressing experience in every sense 

 

I was in the same area and also heard the bams chanting his name, although didn’t see them as they were behind me.

[EastSideJambo]

Just now, BigC said:

 

I was in the same area and also heard the bams chanting his name, although didn’t see them as they were behind me.

Were you close to the parasite with the beard in amongst their lot 

[Leipzig 51]

He doesn't even use his real name.

Maybe his real name sounds a bit to Irish.

 

[johnthomas]

If the club is being infested in this way it has to be stopped .

It wouldn't matter if this guy was the new Messiah it's what he represents .

Bit like the Union Jack argument . There is only one reason why anyone would wear one at a football match .

Don't care how many get banned , cut out the cancer 

[ycj]

We had a worse Robinson with the pieman

[queensferryjambo]

2 hours ago, EastSideJambo said:

I couldn't have been closer to the segregation point in West 22. It was a depressing experience in every sense 

 

I was in the back row of W22 with my wife.

 

Outside of an awful day on the park it was an eye opening and horrible experience off it.

 

 

[i8hibsh]

5 hours ago, lsimp77 said:

Get this so far to ****. I don’t want that facist scumbag within a 100 mile radius of Tynecastle. Ban these deplorable *****. I know we may not like to admit it, but some of our support are real, real scum. 

 

 

How is he a fascist?

[i8hibsh]

2 hours ago, johnthomas said:

If the club is being infested in this way it has to be stopped .

It wouldn't matter if this guy was the new Messiah it's what he represents .

Bit like the Union Jack argument . There is only one reason why anyone would wear one at a football match .

Don't care how many get banned , cut out the cancer 

 

 

Yet,Tommy is the fascist right?

[i8hibsh]

3 hours ago, SpruceBringsteen said:

I don't imagine he'd be allowed on the Tynecastle premises for so much as a second.

 

Dull yin for the racist piece of garbage and all his thick as pigshit wee acolytes.

 

 

 

Provide evidence of his racism please? 

[i8hibsh]

5 hours ago, redm said:

Urgh, having that flag behind them is the most repulsive desecration of the fine name of McCrae’s Battalion. Wonder who’s going to break it to them that McCrae’s actually fought to save us from the poison of people just like Robinson? 

 

Clueless. Absolutely clueless. 

 

Please explain the link between Tommy Robinson and the 'Hun'. I don't see it Redm. What you said sounds great though and will win admirers.

[i8hibsh]

This thread is a total carcrash. The only fascism I see are in these posts. I emplore people to actually watch Tommy Robinson interviews. I mean really watch them and not just an EDL one from 7 years ago.

 

I really like listening to him and agree with a lot he says. I get I may be a tad 'too honest' for this forum but it is what it is. People seem to just hate him just because it is the 'right thing to do' and they don't want people to think badly of them.

 

Personally, I could not give a flying **** what people think of me on here. I am not a fascist or a racist. I know people want to believe supporters of TR are, desperately so infact but it simply is not the reality. People need to grow up a bit and embrace other opinions. Also learning the true meaning of fascism or racism would help also.

 

[Dirty Deeds]

Why are those with Far Right political views so keen to associate themselves with football fans?

 

Tommy Robinson has nothing to do with Hearts and it's deeply offensive to me to witness others try make a link to his politics and our football club.

 

This thread needs moved to the Shed or deleted and anyone wanting to voice approval of his views should go somewhere other than Tynecastle.

[Forever Hearts]

4 hours ago, RussAsia said:

The lefts are out in force..

 

Now while Tommy Robinson seems to have made a few mistakes in the past, he distanced himself from the EDL when it took a more racist turn and recently all he seems to have done is highlight muslim grooming gangs which was shockingly given a media ban by the government.. he also stands up for people in the armed forces..

 

I only started seeing him in the last year or so but maybe someone could tell me what has everyone up in arms.

 

I tend to think that people in Edinburgh and Scotland as a whole are pretty sheltered from immigration as most immigrants don't travel much further north than Yorkshire. maybe people on here would think differently if they happened to live in some of the areas worst affected by it..

 

I should also say that I live in a different country have mixed race family before anyone starts throwing the racist card around.. 

Get your hard hat on, mate. Opposing views don't go down well on here when the pitchfork brigade are in full offended mode. 

[Forever Hearts]

4 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

This thread is a total carcrash. The only fascism I see are in these posts. I emplore people to actually watch Tommy Robinson interviews. I mean really watch them and not just an EDL one from 7 years ago.

 

I really like listening to him and agree with a lot he says. I get I may be a tad 'too honest' for this forum but it is what it is. People seem to just hate him just because it is the 'right thing to do' and they don't want people to think badly of them.

 

Personally, I could not give a flying **** what people think of me on here. I am not a fascist or a racist. I know people want to believe supporters of TR are, desperately so infact but it simply is not the reality. People need to grow up a bit and embrace other opinions. Also learning the true meaning of fascism or racism would help also.

 

Well said. Robinson is not the type of person I'd normally socialise with but he's prepared to stick his head above the parapet and speak out about certain things that the media would rather sweep under the carpet. 

[i8hibsh]

Banning him from Tynie

 

 x infinity

 

Racist accusation - check

Fascist accusation - check

 

 

 

[BangkokHearts]

Most people that oppose Islam don't have the first clue about it. This joker included.

 

Still, we Christians have been fighting against Islam since the Middle Ages, it ain't gonna change now.

 

I live among Muslims in Bangkok and work with loads of them offshore before. Never have any bother with them ever. 

[i8hibsh]

The left spend every second of everyday wanting everything or everyone they disagree with banned yet also shout fascist at everyone and everything when they disagree. It simply does not make sense.

 

Why should Tommy Robinson be banned from Tynecastle? Because people don't like him? What kind of society are we living in. If he came to Tynecastle I imagine he would pay his money like the rest of us and sit in silence and watch us not score any goals being utterly bored like the rest of us. I imagine he would not cause any trouble. He has opinions some people do not like though so ban him. **** me.

[i8hibsh]

6 minutes ago, BangkokHearts said:

Most people that oppose Islam don't have the first clue about it. This joker included.

 

Still, we Christians have been fighting against Islam since the Middle Ages, it ain't gonna change now.

 

I live among Muslims in Bangkok and work with loads of them offshore before. Never have any bother with them ever. 

 

 

I oppose both Christianity and Islam so where do I fit in?

 

And why say "we Christians"? 

Edited November 15, 2018 by i8hibsh

[i8hibsh]

21 minutes ago, Dirty Deeds said:

Why are those with Far Right political views so keen to associate themselves with football fans?

 

Tommy Robinson has nothing to do with Hearts and it's deeply offensive to me to witness others try make a link to his politics and our football club.

 

This thread needs moved to the Shed or deleted and anyone wanting to voice approval of his views should go somewhere other than Tynecastle.

 

Ban delete ban delete ban delete ban delete ban.

Edited November 15, 2018 by i8hibsh

[JyTees]

Thread's full of fascists.

 

Too many people jumping on the media bandwagon that twists everything Robinson says. The biggest fascists in our society right now are the ones who try and shut down anything and everything they don't agree with.

 

Why would the club ban him from Tynecastle? What would be the official reason?

[i8hibsh]

3 hours ago, johnthomas said:

If the club is being infested in this way it has to be stopped .

It wouldn't matter if this guy was the new Messiah it's what he represents .

Bit like the Union Jack argument . There is only one reason why anyone would wear one at a football match .

Don't care how many get banned , cut out the cancer 

 

 

Ban delete ban delete ban delete ban delete ad infinitum.

[i8hibsh]

2 minutes ago, JyTees said:

Thread's full of fascists.

 

Too many people jumping on the media bandwagon that twists everything Robinson says. The biggest fascists in our society right now are the ones who try and shut down anything and everything they don't agree with.

 

Why would the club ban him from Tynecastle? What would be the official reason?

 

The left do not require reason. The same way Nicola Sturgeon selects who she speaks to as she does not wish to give a platform to racism.

 

 

[i8hibsh]

16 minutes ago, BangkokHearts said:

Most people that oppose Islam don't have the first clue about it. This joker included.

 

Still, we Christians have been fighting against Islam since the Middle Ages, it ain't gonna change now.

 

I live among Muslims in Bangkok and work with loads of them offshore before. Never have any bother with them ever. 

 

 

I imagine TR knows more about Islam than most. Again, try learn about him and not jumping on the bandwagon. You clearly want the back slaps and admiring glances but you are wrong. He knows the Koran VERY well.

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

I think I'm right in saying Tommy Robinson is anti-immigration despite being half Irish himself. What an utter cretin.

 

Everything about this is hugely embarrassing. 

[i8hibsh]

5 hours ago, Hungry hippo said:

Absolute scum trying to associate that with the club never mind the battalion.

 

Exactly why Budge is correct to ban all sectarian AND political connections at the club. 

 

Anyone who sat near the segregation in the top tier of the West Stand is likely to have heard some bam trying to taunt the Celtic fans about Robinson - was a complete cringe.

 

 

Banning all right political views you mean? Not all. Scottish nationalism and socialist views are very welcome.

[i8hibsh]

11 minutes ago, Stupid Sexy Flanders said:

I think I'm right in saying Tommy Robinson is anti-immigration despite being half Irish himself. What an utter cretin.

 

Everything about this is hugely embarrassing. 

 

 

You are half right. His mother is Irish but his father is not (he does not have a relationship with his father) and he is anti MASS inmigration. I hope I do not have to go into the differences between the two.  Who isn't opposed to mass immigration? Well taxpayers I mean.

 

 

Edited November 15, 2018 by i8hibsh

[JyTees]

1 minute ago, Stupid Sexy Flanders said:

I think I'm right in saying Tommy Robinson is anti-immigration despite being half Irish himself. What an utter cretin.

 

Everything about this is hugely embarrassing. 

 

You'd be wrong. 

[i8hibsh]

5 hours ago, Heartsofgold said:

This Nazi ******* better never turn up at Tynecastle.  total waste of oxygen.

 

 

Explain how he is a nazi? I think you owe that after such a severe accusation.

[i8hibsh]

You will be hard pushed to find a prouder Brit and a bigger supporter of our troops. His 'liking' of 'McCrae's battalion' is nothing but respectful.

[BangkokHearts]

32 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

I oppose both Christianity and Islam so where do I fit in?

 

And why say "we Christians"? 

 

Scotland is, at least historically, a Christian nation. Involved in the Crusades etc. 

 

19 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

I imagine TR knows more about Islam than most. Again, try learn about him and not jumping on the bandwagon. You clearly want the back slaps and admiring glances but you are wrong. He knows the Koran VERY well.

 

You mean he knows a few phrases and excerpts from the Quran that he uses as rhetoric to stir up folk into anti-Islamic sentiment.

 

I know all about him. His ilk are what an entire generation fought and died for in 1939.

 

 

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