Hearts v Celtic semi - over 28,000 sold

[Jambo-Fox]

16 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

Do you mean Hampden? Surely not, they've waived that right.

I didn’t buy the paper ..... honest!

[Jammy T]

2 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

The word phobic was introduced in the 19th century, nothing to do with being invented by snowflakes. What are you on about?

 

 

And recently the addition of ‘phobic’ or -phobia to create new words as part of a virtue signalling poisition intended to close down discussion on certain topics.

 

For example, champagne socialist Guardianistas screeching the word ‘Islamaphobia’ to close down discussion/criticism of certain elements of Islam. 

 

There is **** all wrong with criticising the more extreme wings of Islam, such as Wahhabism / Salafi movement and it certainly isn’t phobic to do so - but you dare do it and some SJW in a safe place waving their hands instead of clapping will call you out as Islamaphobic if you do.

 

As an aside do you know what the fear of palindromes is called?

 

aibohphobia

Edited October 25, 2018 by Jammy T

[graygo]

2 minutes ago, Jambo-Fox said:

I didn’t buy the paper ..... honest!

 

 

That scandalous, effectively taking up the cost of 4,000 fans for nothing and acting like they are doing it for the good of the game.

[graygo]

2 minutes ago, Jammy T said:

 

And recently the addition of ‘phobic’ or -phobia to create new words as part of a virtue signalling poisition intended to close down discussion on certain topics.

 

For example, champagne socialist Guardianistas screeching the word ‘Islamaphobia’ to close down discussion/criticism of certain elements of Islam. 

 

There is **** all wrong with criticising the more extreme wings of Islam, such as Wahhabism / Salafi movement and it certainly isn’t phobic to do so - but you dare do it and some SJW in a safe place waving their hands instead of clapping will call you out as Islamaphobic if you do.

 

As an aside do you know what the fear of palindromes is called?

 

aibohphobia

 

Can we stop this nonsense please it's playing havoc with my phobophobia.

[NANOJAMBO]

4 minutes ago, Jambo-Fox said:

I didn’t buy the paper ..... honest!

How much did they fork out for the other SF games that haven't been played at Hampden over the years ? 

[Gorgiewave]

9 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Celtic fans in particular have forgotten their historical poor attendances at semi finals.

 

Unless empty terraces were redevelopment or something. 

 

 

 

Not the first time either:

 

 

[graygo]

1 minute ago, NANOJAMBO said:

How much did they fork out for the other SF games that haven't been played at Hampden over the years ? 

 

That's a really good question, also why is it a secret?

[Jambo-Fox]

2 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

That scandalous, effectively taking up the cost of 4,000 fans for nothing and acting like they are doing it for the good of the game.

I’d never want to defend the SFA (because in my view they are grossly incompetent) however if they had an agreed contract in place a negotiated settlement for them to exit that contract seems a reasonable solution. Whether the terms of that settlement were fair and appropriate is another matter!

[Jambo-Fox]

4 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

How much did they fork out for the other SF games that haven't been played at Hampden over the years ? 

As I understand it these were not a contractual obligation. I believe the contract only covered games involving Rangers or Celtic or any other game with a predicted crowd of 20,000+

[graygo]

4 minutes ago, Jambo-Fox said:

I’d never want to defend the SFA (because in my view they are grossly incompetent) however if they had an agreed contract in place a negotiated settlement for them to exit that contract seems a reasonable solution. Whether the terms of that settlement were fair and appropriate is another matter!

 

Meant to quote your next post as well, good explanation.

 

Still no need to keep it secret other than to look like the good guys.

[NANOJAMBO]

8 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

That's a really good question, also why is it a secret?

I wouldn't be surprised if it's complete bollocks (ie the £100K) and that this is  spin to make the SPFL look like they couldn't back out of the contract. It's strange that when the story broke it went into specific detail that any semi (even if OF not involved) which would attract a crowd over 20K is also to be played at Hampden. Why would 20K be the magic number ? 

 

 

Edited October 25, 2018 by NANOJAMBO

[King Of The Cat Cafe]

Are these "contractural obligations"  payback/payoff for the SFA becoming less important than SPFL in Scottish football?

[Jambo-Fox]

6 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

Meant to quote your next post as well, good explanation.

 

Still no need to keep it secret other than to look like the good guys.

Report with this quote in The Sun 29th September;

 

 

An SPFL statement said: “We inherited from the SPL a contractual obligation with Hampden Park Ltd to play certain matches at the national stadium.

“These include any Betfred Cup semi-final game involving Celtic or Rangers, as well as any other semi-final match where the attendance is expected to be greater than 20,000.

[Unknown user]

3 minutes ago, Jambo-Fox said:

Report with this quote in The Sun 29th September;

 

 

An SPFL statement said: “We inherited from the SPL a contractual obligation with Hampden Park Ltd to play certain matches at the national stadium.

“These include any Betfred Cup semi-final game involving Celtic or Rangers, as well as any other semi-final match where the attendance is expected to be greater than 20,000.

The SPL never ran the league cup, it was always the SFL until the two merged. 

 

So that's either bullshit or a typo.

[Jambo-Fox]

2 minutes ago, Smithee said:

The SPL never ran the league cup, it was always the SFL until the two merged. 

 

So that's either bullshit or a typo.

Good spot - possibly a Sun typo

[redjambo]

21 minutes ago, Jammy T said:

 

And recently the addition of ‘phobic’ or -phobia to create new words as part of a virtue signalling poisition intended to close down discussion on certain topics.

 

For example, champagne socialist Guardianistas screeching the word ‘Islamaphobia’ to close down discussion/criticism of certain elements of Islam. 

 

There is **** all wrong with criticising the more extreme wings of Islam, such as Wahhabism / Salafi movement and it certainly isn’t phobic to do so - but you dare do it and some SJW in a safe place waving their hands instead of clapping will call you out as Islamaphobic if you do.

 

As an aside do you know what the fear of palindromes is called?

 

aibohphobia

 

Ah, I've got you. We probably need to come up with a new suffix meaning hatred (-phobia being used for both fear and hatred doesn't really cut the mustard). Of course the point you're making would still stand even if the new suffix were used since you are arguing that discussion about the negative aspects of something doesn't necessarily mean hatred of it.

 

Some debate here: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/58508/is-there-a-suffix-for-loathing

 

That palindrome one is cute. :)

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, Jambo-Fox said:

Good spot - possibly a Sun typo

 

I wouldn't trust the guys at the top to brush their teeth properly. I'm sure it's nothing, but you can't help wondering..

[NANOJAMBO]

15 minutes ago, King Of The Cat Cafe said:

Are these "contractural obligations"  payback/payoff for the SFA becoming less important than SPFL in Scottish football?

 There was absolutely no need  to have this contract clause - the SFL/SPFL/whatever could have played the semis/finals anywhere they wanted so why create a problem for yourself by signing up to this ? Not only that, why was it kept a secret from the member clubs  until AB kicked off ? It's truly shocking on any level that this contract clause was written up and the League authorities gladly signed it off when they should have  had the upper hand in negotiations 

[graygo]

24 minutes ago, Jambo-Fox said:

Report with this quote in The Sun 29th September;

 

 

An SPFL statement said: “We inherited from the SPL a contractual obligation with Hampden Park Ltd to play certain matches at the national stadium.

“These include any Betfred Cup semi-final game involving Celtic or Rangers, as well as any other semi-final match where the attendance is expected to be greater than 20,000.

 

It was more the £100k settlement that I was meaning they kept secret.

[Jambo-Fox]

19 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

I wouldn't trust the guys at the top to brush their teeth properly. I'm sure it's nothing, but you can't help wondering..

I totally agree with you. Reference to the SPL (was not a Sun typo) it’s actually stated in a Q&A dated 28th September on the OFFICIAL SPFL website!! They don’t even know who they ‘inherited’ a contract from!!

Edited October 25, 2018 by Jambo-Fox
Typo!!

[Jambo-Fox]

1 minute ago, graygo said:

 

It was more the £100k settlement that I was meaning they kept secret.

Possibly due to a confidentiality agreement. Could be deemed ‘reasonable’ so as not to jeopardise any future negotiations for either party on any matter.

[King Of The Cat Cafe]

2 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said:

 There was absolutely no need  to have this contract clause - the SFL/SPFL/whatever could have played the semis/finals anywhere they wanted so why create a problem for yourself by signing up to this ? Not only that, why was it kept a secret from the member clubs  until AB kicked off ? It's truly shocking on any level that this contract clause was written up and the League authorities gladly signed it off when they should have  had the upper hand in negotiations 

 

I think that is you agreeing my conspiracy theory may have legs, NJ...  ?

[Pans Jambo]

So fag packet calculations then...

 

Hearts 29,000 tickets (so far)

Celtic 30,000 tickets

Rangers 29500 tickets

Aberdeen 10,000 tickets

 

Total - 98,500 (I am not counting the beaks, blazers or the sponsors as they wont be paying for any tickets)

 

98,500 x £25 per ticket = £2,462,500

Less around a third for costs etc.

= £1,641,666

 

Divided by the 4 teams = £410,000 each or so.

 

Best guess is £400k per team after costs etc.

[Toggie88]

12 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

So fag packet calculations then...

 

Hearts 29,000 tickets (so far)

Celtic 30,000 tickets

Rangers 29500 tickets

Aberdeen 10,000 tickets

 

Total - 98,500 (I am not counting the beaks, blazers or the sponsors as they wont be paying for any tickets)

 

98,500 x £25 per ticket = £2,462,500

Less around a third for costs etc.

= £1,641,666

 

Divided by the 4 teams = £410,000 each or so.

 

Best guess is £400k per team after costs etc.

 We’ll be making a good bit on top of everyone else as we have our own hospitality at Tyne. 

 

 

[Pans Jambo]

Just now, Toggie88 said:

 We’ll be making a good bit on top of everyone else as we have our own hospitality at Tyne. 

 

 

I have to say the club have done a brilliant job with the hospitality packages.

Even when I was in last week to get my tickets there was a lad walking up & down the queue with an iPad selling hospitality packages and a few bought them as well.

All good stuff.

[The Real Maroonblood]

15 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

So fag packet calculations then...

 

Hearts 29,000 tickets (so far)

Celtic 30,000 tickets

Rangers 29500 tickets

Aberdeen 10,000 tickets

 

Total - 98,500 (I am not counting the beaks, blazers or the sponsors as they wont be paying for any tickets)

 

98,500 x £25 per ticket = £2,462,500

Less around a third for costs etc.

= £1,641,666

 

Divided by the 4 teams = £410,000 each or so.

 

Best guess is £400k per team after costs etc.

Minus the cost of renting Murrayfield whatever that is.

[Pans Jambo]

Just now, The Real Maroonblood said:

Minus the cost of renting Murrayfield whatever that is.

Took a third off the total (About £820K) to cover costs. As I said, all fag packet stuff.

[Toggie88]

1 minute ago, Pans Jambo said:

I have to say the club have done a brilliant job with the hospitality packages.

Even when I was in last week to get my tickets there was a lad walking up & down the queue with an iPad selling hospitality packages and a few bought them as well.

All good stuff.

That’s really good to hear. 

 

It’s been an exceptionally busy few weeks for the TO,  great that they’re not only managing but appear to be getting better more innovative. Well done guys ?

[amadjambo]

We’ll be making over half a mil from this game, with the final still to come. Should help strengthen the team come January if we need to.

[Selkirkhmfc1874]

7 minutes ago, amadjambo said:

We’ll be making over half a mil from this game, with the final still to come. Should help strengthen the team come January if we need to.

Would tend to agree once sponsorship, tv money etc added to gate receipts and also we'll be making quite a bit more with our own hospitality on the day 

[AlimOzturk]

Wonder if we will open the club shop as well. Make an absolute mint from this game. 

Edited October 26, 2018 by AlimOzturk

[Selkirkhmfc1874]

6 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

Wonder if we will open the club shop as well. Make an absolute mint from this game. 

Answer is yes

[JamboJen]

11 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

Answer is yes

Wonder if we still have the wee mobile shop that used to sit on what is now the plaza. Could park it around the back of the home end at Murrayfield!

Edited October 26, 2018 by JamboJen

[hmfc1984]

36 minutes ago, amadjambo said:

We’ll be making over half a mil from this game, with the final still to come. Should help strengthen the team come January if we need to.

Is this right? Seems quite high to me. I didn't realise the semi was that lucrative when you consider how little league positions pay out at the end of season. Great if it's true. 

[Selkirkhmfc1874]

1 minute ago, JamboJen said:

Wonder if we still have the wee mobile shop that used to sit on what is now the plaza. Could park it around the back of the home end at Murrayfield!

Not sure to be honest but the club shop definitely opening 

[The Real Maroonblood]

41 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Took a third off the total (About £820K) to cover costs. As I said, all fag packet stuff.

Fair enough.

Just curious at the rental cost.

[Selkirkhmfc1874]

Just now, The Real Maroonblood said:

Fair enough.

Just curious at the rental cost.

The blazers at hampden should be paying the rental costs rather than the club's because was there mess up that caused situation 

[Unknown user]

8 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

The blazers at hampden should be paying the rental costs rather than the club's because was there mess up that caused situation 

Who exactly are you talking about though? Obviously the individuals in charge wouldn't pay out of their own pockets, that would be a ridiculous expectation. 

The sfa have nothing to do with the league cup or arranging it's fixtures, so they're out. That leaves us with SPFL, the organisation owned by the clubs, which would essentially mean making the clubs pay, same as it is now. 

[letsalldothebeattie]

30 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

Wonder if we will open the club shop as well. Make an absolute mint from this game. 

Makes sense to have it open on the day plenty folk going to be about the area plus in house hospitality as well a golden opportunity to make some good money in the shop if you ask me

[Thomaso]

23 hours ago, Rooster20 said:

I hope Brown, Griffiths and all the other wasters play tbh, makes it more pleasant when Naismith kicks the **** out of them and we win 3-0

 

Do you aye......

[Mikey1874]

Closer to £600k for Hearts 

 

Not bad for beating Motherwell 

[Selkirkhmfc1874]

33 minutes ago, Smithee said:

Who exactly are you talking about though? Obviously the individuals in charge wouldn't pay out of their own pockets, that would be a ridiculous expectation. 

The sfa have nothing to do with the league cup or arranging it's fixtures, so they're out. That leaves us with SPFL, the organisation owned by the clubs, which would essentially mean making the clubs pay, same as it is now. 

Should be paid out of whatever other funds they've got rather than the money made from the semi finals because it was there stupidity that led to the situation where murrayfield having to be hired 

[The Old Tolbooth]

1 hour ago, Pans Jambo said:

So fag packet calculations then...

 

Hearts 29,000 tickets (so far)

Celtic 30,000 tickets

Rangers 29500 tickets

Aberdeen 10,000 tickets

 

Total - 98,500 (I am not counting the beaks, blazers or the sponsors as they wont be paying for any tickets)

 

98,500 x £25 per ticket = £2,462,500

Less around a third for costs etc.

= £1,641,666

 

Divided by the 4 teams = £410,000 each or so.

 

Best guess is £400k per team after costs etc.

 

Which works out better for everyone concerned had the semi taken place at Hampden, we would have taken around 10k on a Sunday night, and even if they moved it forward a week to the Saturday afternoon, it would have been around 15k based on historic figures, with Celtic probably selling out the rest of the ground, but with still less of a crowd than it would be at Murrayfield, even taking into consideration the £100k out of the pot which equates to 4k fans. 

[amadjambo]

57 minutes ago, hmfc1984 said:

Is this right? Seems quite high to me. I didn't realise the semi was that lucrative when you consider how little league positions pay out at the end of season. Great if it's true. 

We have played a blinder with hospitality which must be making us a tasty sum. Add in a share of the gate money from a total crowd of 100,000 across both games, tv income, sponsorship, prize money, merchandise sales, etc etc. I reckon half a mil may be conservative.

[SwindonJambo]

1 hour ago, Pans Jambo said:

So fag packet calculations then...

 

Hearts 29,000 tickets (so far)

Celtic 30,000 tickets

Rangers 29500 tickets

Aberdeen 10,000 tickets

 

Total - 98,500 (I am not counting the beaks, blazers or the sponsors as they wont be paying for any tickets)

 

98,500 x £25 per ticket = £2,462,500

Less around a third for costs etc.

= £1,641,666

 

Divided by the 4 teams = £410,000 each or so.

 

Best guess is £400k per team after costs etc.

 

Don't forget to deduct 1/6 of all ticket sales revenue for VAT. Gross Ticket Price = Net Price + 20% VAT. Your £2,462,500 goes down to £2,052,083.  On the plus side, there's TV, Hospitality  & Advertising to add in.  All in all a good Pay Day for all 4 Clubs.

[Unknown user]

11 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

Should be paid out of whatever other funds they've got rather than the money made from the semi finals because it was there stupidity that led to the situation where murrayfield having to be hired 

What other funds do you reckon they've got though? The spfl isn't a separate thing, it's owned by the clubs, for the clubs. 

What you're saying is take money away from Scottish football to pay for the authorities' mistakes.

And anyway, how? Reduce everyone's prize money at the end of the season?

[Selkirkhmfc1874]

3 minutes ago, Smithee said:

What other funds do you reckon they've got though? The spfl isn't a separate thing, it's owned by the clubs, for the clubs. 

What you're saying is take money away from Scottish football to pay for the authorities' mistakes.

And anyway, how? Reduce everyone's prize money at the end of the season?

A know what you saying ! 

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

A know what you saying ! 

And likewise - it's infuriating to me too that there's no pushback on this. The same arseholes will continue to be employed to do the same rubbish job. And the clubs, the owners, will just watch, unable to force change because of ridiculous voting rules. 

[hmfc1984]

1 minute ago, Smithee said:

And likewise - it's infuriating to me too that there's no pushback on this. The same arseholes will continue to be employed to do the same rubbish job. And the clubs, the owners, will just watch, unable to force change because of ridiculous voting rules. 

Are the voting rules still that it needs ten out of 12 club's to vote through a proposal? Effectively meaning the OF can block any change? Or have I just made that up? 

[Rocky jamboa]

2 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

So fag packet calculations then...

 

Hearts 29,000 tickets (so far)

Celtic 30,000 tickets

Rangers 29500 tickets

Aberdeen 10,000 tickets

 

Total - 98,500 (I am not counting the beaks, blazers or the sponsors as they wont be paying for any tickets)

 

98,500 x £25 per ticket = £2,462,500

Less around a third for costs etc.

= £1,641,666

 

Divided by the 4 teams = £410,000 each or so.

 

Best guess is £400k per team after costs etc.

Not all tickets are £25. Some concession tickets at murrayfield are £10. Probably the same at hampden.

 

Factor in tv money and hospitality though and I reckon we'll be making £5-600k from this game.