Offers already made to 3 players ( merged )

[been here before]

A 35 year old on a 2 year contract.

 

Its why I renewed.  

[Jambo jambo]

Thought someone said the McLean talk was alot of keek?

[hmfc_liam06]

2 hours ago, WeeChuck'sHeed said:

 

 

McLean signing is end of everything.

 

 

 

[sadj]

2 hours ago, Notts1874 said:

Well as others have already said he loves it here. If the deal doesn't happen it won't be because of Hearts or Naismith.

 

This this and more this...Its all on Norwich and how greedy they try to be

[Notts1874]

Just now, sadj said:

 

This this and more this...Its all on Norwich and how greedy they try to be

I would suspect not particularly.

[CJGJ]

1 minute ago, sadj said:

 

This this and more this...Its all on Norwich and how greedy they try to be

In what way would it be Norwich City's fault ?

 

He has one more year on a very good deal for the player and given Norwich City's position they would be keen to get him off their wage bill

 

I suspect the player holds all the aces in this position and the club would be happy to see him leave but you can bet all you want Naismith will demand a settlement on his contract

[jamboinglasgow]

36 minutes ago, Official_AB said:

A name mentioned to me the other day....

 

Dario Maresic - 18yo Austrian CB 

out of contract in June 

 

might be nothing/ might be something 

 

Looking up about him, he seems highly rated, though transfermarkt have his value at £2.5m. Played over 27 games for Sturm Graz. Wanted by Hannover earlier (though that has fallen through) and Braga are interested. Would love it to be true, but I really doubt it.

[davemclaren]

7 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

In what way would it be Norwich City's fault ?

 

He has one more year on a very good deal for the player and given Norwich City's position they would be keen to get him off their wage bill

 

I suspect the player holds all the aces in this position and the club would be happy to see him leave but you can bet all you want Naismith will demand a settlement on his contract

Very much this. 

[rudi must stay]

Maresic is 18, out of contract, and if we're interested it's a chance of British football and being in the shop window. Don't think it's that unlikely, he looks a player by the way

[sadj]

38 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

In what way would it be Norwich City's fault ?

 

He has one more year on a very good deal for the player and given Norwich City's position they would be keen to get him off their wage bill

 

I suspect the player holds all the aces in this position and the club would be happy to see him leave but you can bet all you want Naismith will demand a settlement on his contract

 

@davemclaren

@Notts1874

 

Naismith may well want a pay off but we had all but agreed a deal to bring Naismith permanently in January. Naismith was happy , Hearts were happy. Norwich City then reneged on the deal and it became a position from which we could not get him in permanently before the cup game. So a loan deal was agreed at a rapid pace from the friday when it was almost over the line then looked impossible to when he signed. 

 

Norwich changed the goalposts not Hearts or Naismith. Therefore much as im sure Naismith would like to stay if Norwich aren’t willing to accept what they were previously I can’t see how either Hearts or Naismith would have a final say

Edited April 16, 2018 by sadj

[i wish jj was my dad]

2 hours ago, Thought Police said:

Can we try and get behind SM now and not boo him the first time he doesn’t win a header?

What do you think?

 

My money is on the usual experts telling us his legs have gone and he should **** off to Bonnyrigg Rose (insert silly smiley, repeat constantly and tell their m8 what a great poster he is). You know the drill.

[sadj]

4 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

What do you think?

 

My money is on the usual experts telling us his legs have gone and he should **** off to Bonnyrigg Rose (insert silly smiley, repeat constantly and tell their m8 what a great poster he is). You know the drill.

 brilliant ??? 

 

sadly probably very accurate

[i wish jj was my dad]

2 hours ago, Escobar PHM said:

He'll be treated, I imagine, like every other Hearts player. Start off with a clean sheet and an open mind. If you're good for us you'll get plenty of appreciation. If you're very good you'll be a legend and there's no better club to be a legend at. If you're shite you'll get plenty of stick. And you won't get long to prove yourself because we're a big club needing big players who are good. Thats the deal when you sign for Hearts. If you're not up to the job, we'll know pretty soon, we'll let you know that we know, and you'll not be here long (unless we've given you a ridiculous contract in which case you can piss off home for weeks at a time and we'll still pay you - ask Malaury how you get that gig)

I would take issue with this. We had fans falling over themselves to criticise Jack Hamilton before he ever got the jersey and are still flogging that horse, Don Cowie's legs had gone when he signed and Ross Callachan's level was Bonnyrigg Rose. Some of the comments and silly smileys when it was first reported we were interested suggests it will happen again here.

 

 

[Unknown user]

11 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

What do you think?

 

My money is on the usual experts telling us his legs have gone and he should **** off to Bonnyrigg Rose (insert silly smiley, repeat constantly and tell their m8 what a great poster he is). You know the drill.

Boom!

[Escobar PHM]

30 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

I would take issue with this. We had fans falling over themselves to criticise Jack Hamilton before he ever got the jersey and are still flogging that horse, Don Cowie's legs had gone when he signed and Ross Callachan's level was Bonnyrigg Rose. Some of the comments and silly smileys when it was first reported we were interested suggests it will happen again here.

 

 

I was talking about real people who go to games in real life and see what a player is actually like once you dismiss whatever your preconception was. My preconception about McLean is that at nearly 36 he’ll need to hit the ground running to overcome the disquiet about signing him in the first place. That’s where we are at now because of a hit and miss recruitment policy over a 4 year period . He’ll get less time to prove himself than someone like Reilly did. Reilly, as it turned out wasn’t good enough but I don’t recall him being castigated for it because ultimately he tried his best. I think Cowie gets respect because he gives 100%. He’s not good enough for us now in my opinion but I applaud his effort and application. If McLean applies himself like Cowie he’ll do alright for us and he’ll be appreciated for it. I think Hamilton was a victim of a messsy decision that hardly anyone agreed with, but ultimately he got plenty of game time and was ordinary at best. I don’t recall Callachan getting that hard a time during games. Ultimately he isn’t good enough either though. Saying so on here is utterly harmless IMO. As is prejudging a player before he has kicked a ball. I don’t agree with signing McLean but I’ll be as desperate for him to do well when he is wearing the jersey as any other player selected, whether I agree with his selection or not. If he isn’t good enough it will become apparent and people on here and at games will be quite entitled to question his selection if he keeps on being selected and doesn’t perform. That’s the natural position. I don’t see anything wrong with expressing an opinion, no matter how long and what process you applied to reach that opinion, especially on      a forum designed to air opinion.

Edited April 16, 2018 by Escobar PHM

[Cruyff Turn]

Would people take Lee Wallace back? 

 

Certainty to be punted by Sevco in the summer. 

[Dagger Is Back]

Just now, Cruyff Turn said:

Would people take Lee Wallace back? 

 

Certainty to be punted by Sevco in the summer. 

 

If he’s over his injury, definitely. 

[RDSK]

1 minute ago, Cruyff Turn said:

Would people take Lee Wallace back? 

 

Certainty to be punted by Sevco in the summer. 

 

I’d take him back. Do you think Wallace could play on the left side of a back 3? If we were to retain Mitchell for another year it would be a way of getting the most from a good loan deal whilst having a replacement in the wings for 2019/20.

[Chaps]

Would love Wallace to come back but has been injured since September and considering our issues with left backs for the last few years it’s too much of a risk.

 

It’s a no from me. 

[i wish jj was my dad]

7 hours ago, Escobar PHM said:

I was talking about real people who go to games in real life and see what a player is actually like once you dismiss whatever your preconception was. My preconception about McLean is that at nearly 36 he’ll need to hit the ground running to overcome the disquiet about signing him in the first place. That’s where we are at now because of a hit and miss recruitment policy over a 4 year period . He’ll get less time to prove himself than someone like Reilly did. Reilly, as it turned out wasn’t good enough but I don’t recall him being castigated for it because ultimately he tried his best. I think Cowie gets respect because he gives 100%. He’s not good enough for us now in my opinion but I applaud his effort and application. If McLean applies himself like Cowie he’ll do alright for us and he’ll be appreciated for it. I think Hamilton was a victim of a messsy decision that hardly anyone agreed with, but ultimately he got plenty of game time and was ordinary at best. I don’t recall Callachan getting that hard a time during games. Ultimately he isn’t good enough either though. Saying so on here is utterly harmless IMO. As is prejudging a player before he has kicked a ball. I don’t agree with signing McLean but I’ll be as desperate for him to do well when he is wearing the jersey as any other player selected, whether I agree with his selection or not. If he isn’t good enough it will become apparent and people on here and at games will be quite entitled to question his selection if he keeps on being selected and doesn’t perform. That’s the natural position. I don’t see anything wrong with expressing an opinion, no matter how long and what process you applied to reach that opinion, especially on      a forum designed to air opinion.

I still take issue with this. I will give the boo boys enough credit that they attend games - even if they have made up their minds about what happens in advance. The clowns I am thinking of were ripping up Jack and Cowie from the get go. And Ross was only good enough for Bonnyrigg. 

 

This forum can create myths that helps form opinions for the hard of thinking and can turn the support against players. Or in the case of Jack ensure he gets a warm welcome from the vermin at Fester.

 

Beats me why Hearts fans behave like that but that's how it is.

[merseyjambo]

I can see the reasoning behind McLean as a bit part player providing we have other more mobile striker signing targets in mind or ready to commit. I get the reason behind bringing in ‘model pros’ as we have some good youngsters coming through and the club want to show them how they should be handling their career not by going down to the bookies/pub/brothel/casino/car showroom after training but sometimes you need that spark of a maverick. Willie Johnston, prime example of a maverick yet served us well in the latter part of his career. We had guys like Sandy Jardine for the kids to learn from and sometimes the maverick can tell them from the other side of the fence, the story about how it wrecked their career and why not to end up like me.

 

@chucksweeheid - I don’t see any problem with people looking at other clubs and wondering how we could be a little more like them. Motherwell have done reasonably well over the years plucking unknowns from the lower reaches of the footballing pyramid and showcasing what can be done. This isn’t me saying I’d want Main over Lafferty but he is someone who causes defences including ours problems and makes them know they’ve been in a game. They’ve done it with others over the years, Scott McDonald is probably their best example but more recently they’ve done it with Moult, Kipre & Carson. All 3 have come from the relative obscurity of English football and are performing really well here. It shows that if you have the correct scouting structure in place that you can recruit unknowns and they do turn out well. The Kilmarnock chat has been done to death. Maybe Steve Clarke will be there, maybe he won’t. What no one can deny is that from a starting position when a Clarke went into the club, that was worse than where we were at the time and with a squad that player for player is worse than ours and is on nowhere near our budget, he’s organised them, got them playing football and has them 9 points better of than we are at present.  Maybe it’s a one season wonder or maybe they’ll do the same again next season. That’s an unknown. 

 

There are are guys in the lower reaches of English football who are more than good enough to ply their trade and do well up in Scotland. Kayden Jackson at Accrington is someone I’ve seen a couple of times this season and he’s impressed me when I’ve seen him. He’s pretty quick, strong and knows where the back of the net is. He’d be worth taking a punt on now as if he stays at Accrington and performs in League One, he’s gone out of our reach. He’s certainly not going to be on massive wages at present. We just need to get people out there watching games the old fashioned way as you can’t tell everything about a player from a computer based scouting system

[Jambo jambo]

Darron Gibson

[Ricardo Shillyshally]

Banderson reporting we've agreed to sign a 6 foot 3 striker from Cambridge

[His name is]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/cambridge-striker-uche-ikpeazu-set-to-seal-hearts-move-1-4724998/amp?__twitter_impression=true

[NANOJAMBO]

48 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

I still take issue with this. I will give the boo boys enough credit that they attend games - even if they have made up their minds about what happens in advance. The clowns I am thinking of were ripping up Jack and Cowie from the get go. And Ross was only good enough for Bonnyrigg. 

 

This forum can create myths that helps form opinions for the hard of thinking and can turn the support against players. Or in the case of Jack ensure he gets a warm welcome from the vermin at Fester.

 

Beats me why Hearts fans behave like that but that's how it is.

And yet it is constantly said on here (particularly in criticism of CL,  for example) that this board is NOT representative of the Hearts support in general.  That it's a tiny minority.  In which case i hardly think a few dissenters on here are having any impact on the support as a whole.  "The clowns" who don't like Hamilton (he has had plenty of game time and failed to impress) and Cowie ( LOTS of critics on here , week in ,week out) aren't going to change their minds until/unless there's a noticeable improvement. 

 

"Hard of thinking" ? Aye ? 

[Haken]

9 hours ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

What do you think?

 

My money is on the usual experts telling us his legs have gone and he should **** off to Bonnyrigg Rose (insert silly smiley, repeat constantly and tell their m8 what a great poster he is). You know the drill.

[Escobar PHM]

2 hours ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

I still take issue with this. I will give the boo boys enough credit that they attend games - even if they have made up their minds about what happens in advance. The clowns I am thinking of were ripping up Jack and Cowie from the get go. And Ross was only good enough for Bonnyrigg. 

 

This forum can create myths that helps form opinions for the hard of thinking and can turn the support against players. Or in the case of Jack ensure he gets a warm welcome from the vermin at Fester.

 

Beats me why Hearts fans behave like that but that's how it is.

I think your attaching way too much importance to the impact this forum has on Hearts or individual players. If we've got players who read stuff on here and get influenced or lose confidence from it, then they should stop reading it first of all and secondly they probably don't have the mental strength to be a Hearts player of any import. Folk booing at football was invented the day football became a competitive professional sport where folk paid to watch and therefore had a right to voicing an opinion. At my first Hearts game, Donald Ford got roundly booed for being caught offside 3 times in 10 minutes. The only players I can think off who were exempt from booings during and after bad performances were John Robertson and Rudi Skacel ( and they both had the odd mare)

[Nookie Bear]

2 hours ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

I still take issue with this. I will give the boo boys enough credit that they attend games - even if they have made up their minds about what happens in advance. The clowns I am thinking of were ripping up Jack and Cowie from the get go. And Ross was only good enough for Bonnyrigg. 

 

This forum can create myths that helps form opinions for the hard of thinking and can turn the support against players. Or in the case of Jack ensure he gets a warm welcome from the vermin at Fester.

 

Beats me why Hearts fans behave like that but that's how it is.

 

Is that similar to the myth that we need a squad of non-playing, elderly mentors on the payroll?

 

Big Picture yada yada blah

[JamboAl]

17 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Is that similar to the myth that we need a squad of non-playing, elderly mentors on the payroll?

 

Big Picture yada yada blah

Are you an ageist?

Or is it their ability that matters not their birth certificate?

Or should every player be in the 20-30 bracket?

[soonbe110]

9 hours ago, Cruyff Turn said:

Would people take Lee Wallace back? 

 

Certainty to be punted by Sevco in the summer. 

No. Finished. Even if he was fit he wouldn’t get a game for them ahead of Declan John 

[James1874f]

9 hours ago, Cruyff Turn said:

Would people take Lee Wallace back? 

 

Certainty to be punted by Sevco in the summer. 

I would 

[James1874f]

32 minutes ago, Escobar PHM said:

I think your attaching way too much importance to the impact this forum has on Hearts or individual players. If we've got players who read stuff on here and get influenced or lose confidence from it, then they should stop reading it first of all and secondly they probably don't have the mental strength to be a Hearts player of any import. Folk booing at football was invented the day football became a competitive professional sport where folk paid to watch and therefore had a right to voicing an opinion. At my first Hearts game, Donald Ford got roundly booed for being caught offside 3 times in 10 minutes. The only players I can think off who were exempt from booings during and after bad performances were John Robertson and Rudi Skacel ( and they both had the odd mare)

To be fair Robbo and Rudi could’ve drop kicked a baby and I still wouldn’t boo them 

[dazajmbo]

Striking depertment sorted 2 players signed.

Goalkeeper sorted.

Working on Naismith return.

Defenders & midfield being worked on. 

 

Id expect 6 in- in time for pre season

[Nookie Bear]

9 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

Are you an ageist?

Or is it their ability that matters not their birth certificate?

Or should every player be in the 20-30 bracket?

 

Highlighted, along with their value to the team in a playing sense.

 

Hughes, McLean and Cowie are being elevated to Wise Old Mentor status, but are taking a fair chunk of our playing budget with them. We can talk about what the squad may look like come the start of next season but the only certainty is that we have given a 35-yr old striker (who cannot play on artificial pitches*) a 2-yr contract.

 

I am not disputing the role these guys will have - all clubs have experienced players, it's not ground-breaking - but a lot of us seem blinded by this concept of creating some sort of learning academy.

 

We shall see, and a long way to go yet before the window SLAMS SHUT!

 

 

*I have heard this, but not seen it confirmed. Can he play at Hamilton and Killie? What about our training pitches?

[brux]

9 hours ago, Cruyff Turn said:

Would people take Lee Wallace back? 

 

Certainty to be punted by Sevco in the summer. 

Every season we have the same chat about taking old players back. We will have Mitchell at left back for next season.

[Wilson]

11 minutes ago, dazajmbo said:

Striking depertment sorted 2 players signed.

Goalkeeper sorted.

Working on Naismith return.

Defenders & midfield being worked on. 

 

Id expect 6 in- in time for pre season

Goalkeeper- really? 

[Jambo jambo]

13 minutes ago, dazajmbo said:

Striking depertment sorted 2 players signed.

Goalkeeper sorted.

Working on Naismith return.

Defenders & midfield being worked on. 

 

Id expect 6 in- in time for pre season

What about scottish international striker?

[Tennant's 6's]

2 hours ago, Ricardo Shillyshally said:

Banderson reporting we've agreed to sign a 6 foot 3 striker from Cambridge

max Rushden was just saying how gutted he'll be to see him go, for what it's worth... hopefully MDV mark2...

Edited April 17, 2018 by Tennant's 6's

[OmiyaHearts]

20 hours ago, Absolute Scenes said:

 

So if we signed Steven Naismith, Charlie Adam, Murray Davidson, Allan McGregor, Demi Mitchell, David Milinkovic plus having the second defence in Scotland...you'd question the strength of our squad if Steven McLean played a game?

 

That is a weird post 

Haha, so you just make up 6 signings (not sure what you mean by 'the second defence in Scotland'). Yet my post is weird?

 

I think you've trumped me in the weird post stakes.

[Absolute Scenes]

6 minutes ago, OmiyaHearts said:

Haha, so you just make up 6 signings (not sure what you mean by 'the second defence in Scotland'). Yet my post is weird?

 

I think you've trumped me in the weird post stakes.

 

well obviously you're picking up on my grammer, good show well done.

 

I meant second best defence in Scotland. Which is pretty bang on to be honest.

 

I didn't make up those signings. All of those, bar Charlie Adam, are players we will be looking to keep, and players we've been linked to

 

So yes your post is still weird

[Thomaso]

10 hours ago, Cruyff Turn said:

Would people take Lee Wallace back? 

 

Certainty to be punted by Sevco in the summer. 

 

Is Wallace out of contract at the end of the season?

[King prawn]

6 minutes ago, Thomaso said:

 

Is Wallace out of contract at the end of the season?

Next summer according to Transfermarkt

[JamboAl]

1 hour ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Highlighted, along with their value to the team in a playing sense.

 

Hughes, McLean and Cowie are being elevated to Wise Old Mentor status, but are taking a fair chunk of our playing budget with them. We can talk about what the squad may look like come the start of next season but the only certainty is that we have given a 35-yr old striker (who cannot play on artificial pitches*) a 2-yr contract.

 

I am not disputing the role these guys will have - all clubs have experienced players, it's not ground-breaking - but a lot of us seem blinded by this concept of creating some sort of learning academy.

 

We shall see, and a long way to go yet before the window SLAMS SHUT!

 

 

*I have heard this, but not seen it confirmed. Can he play at Hamilton and Killie? What about our training pitches?

2

What is our budget and how much of that are they taking?

Provided they have the ability it should not matter if they are elevated to Wise Old Men status.  Starting the season with a 35 year old striker (you are an ageist, aren't you?) has not adversely affected Rangers (Miller) or Man U (Ibrahimovic) in the past so why should it be problematic with us?  In any case I doubt if they'll be used too often anyhow for 1st team duties.

As said earlier in the thread, the 3 you mention could spend a lot of time in the reserves mentoring eg (Hughes with C Hamilton and Baur), (McLean with Kenna and Currie) and (Cowie with McDonald, Irving and Cochrane) assuming these young lads don't go out on loan.  That sort of mentoring could pay dividends in the future but some people can't see beyond the end of their noses.

[Gulf Jambo]

1 hour ago, dazajmbo said:

Striking depertment sorted 2 players signed.

Goalkeeper sorted.

Working on Naismith return.

Defenders & midfield being worked on. 

 

Id expect 6 in- in time for pre season

 

Please god let McLaughlin have signed a new contract!

 

Top top keeper

[Nookie Bear]

Just now, JamboAl said:

What is our budget and how much of that are they taking?

Provided they have the ability it should not matter if they are elevated to Wise Old Men status.  Starting the season with a 35 year old striker (you are an ageist, aren't you?) has not adversely affected Rangers (Miller) or Man U (Ibrahimovic) in the past so why should it be problematic with us?  In any case I doubt if they'll be used too often anyhow for 1st team duties.

As said earlier in the thread, the 3 you mention could spend a lot of time in the reserves mentoring eg (Hughes with C Hamilton and Baur), (McLean with Kenna and Currie) and (Cowie with McDonald, Irving and Cochrane) assuming these young lads don't go out on loan.  That sort of mentoring could pay dividends in the future but some people can't see beyond the end of their noses.

 

No, not ageist in the slightest. In fact, i find it highly irritating when people constantly ask for young players, as if all you need is a bit of enthusiasm. Miller has done nothing this season but i would happily have a starting XI with an average of 30, if they are good enough.

 

My concerns are based on what he brings to the team. That is his primary role.

 

 

[Escobar PHM]

14 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

 

Provided they have the ability it should not matter if they are elevated to Wise Old Men status.  Starting the season with a 35 year old striker (you are an ageist, aren't you?) has not adversely affected Rangers

You don't think age effects the ongoing performance levels of a professional sportsman and you think its 'ageist' to state such an obvious fact?

Edited April 17, 2018 by Escobar PHM

[dazajmbo]

1 hour ago, Jambo jambo said:

What about scottish international striker?

 

Things progress and things don't. I didnt say we were done there. 

 

P.s what about being Scott Wilson?

[JamboAl]

3 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

No, not ageist in the slightest. In fact, i find it highly irritating when people constantly ask for young players, as if all you need is a bit of enthusiasm. Miller has done nothing this season but i would happily have a starting XI with an average of 30, if they are good enough.

 

My concerns are based on what he brings to the team. That is his primary role.

 

 

You're not ageist but you said

 

the only certainty is that we have given a 35-yr old striker (who cannot play on artificial pitches*) a 2-yr contract.

 

So why did you mention his age?  He'll only play on an artificial pitch 2 or 3 times a season, assuming Tynie's new surface is not classed as artificial, and when you read what he says he is not likely to be playing every game (in the 1st team) anyway,

[Rudolf]

7 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

No, not ageist in the slightest. In fact, i find it highly irritating when people constantly ask for young players, as if all you need is a bit of enthusiasm. Miller has done nothing this season but i would happily have a starting XI with an average of 30, if they are good enough.

 

My concerns are based on what he brings to the team. That is his primary role.

 

 

You've still to tell us the size of our budget and how much of it they're taking up.

 

Ah, you don't know yet you state they're taking up a fair chunk of it

[Escobar PHM]

2 minutes ago, dazajmbo said:

 

Things progress and things don't. I didnt say we were done there. 

 

 

so your recent statements that some of the names we are looking at are 'awesome' or words to that effect. They're not happening now ?