CJGJ Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Is the Uefa Nations League a complicated irrelevance? Or is it the best route some of the home nations have of reaching Euro 2020? England, Wales and Northern Ireland might baulk at that suggestion, given all three were at the finals in France in 2016, but would they all be entirely confident of finishing in the top two places in a five- or six-team group to earn qualification in the usual way? The Scottish FA is being more circumspect. With its focus sharpened by Hampden hosting four Euro 2020 tournament matches, it is selling Uefa's new competition - one which will effectively replace most international friendlies - to sceptical fans as a way of ending what would be a 22-year absence from major finals. The reasoning? The fact that two of the bottom 31 teams in the 55-nation European rankings are now guaranteed qualifying slots. The draw for the inaugural Uefa Nations League takes place on Wednesday from 11:00 GMT in Lausanne - with the fixtures announced from 15:00 GMT - and is, according to Uefa's head of competitions, "different, not complex". http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42719404 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Hoping for trips to Albania, Finland and Estonia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Draw at 11am i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thommo414 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Potential for Scotland to be drawn against Israel I see. Mhanks will love that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 The draw is live on youtube. Sorry i cannot link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future's Maroon Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Draw live on sky, were in league C edit....there are not showing league d draw as doesn't involve any home nations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William H. Bonney Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 I'm not really sure I follow this. What does the overall winner achieve? Is this nothing more than friendlies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future's Maroon Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 I'm confused also, is there a place in the Euros for anyone in this as the tag suggested....or as above, just friendlies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, Homme said: The draw is live on youtube. Sorry i cannot link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_UIZUQe2gA&feature=youtu.be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Just now, The Future's Maroon said: I'm confused also, is there a place in the Euros for anyone in this as the tag suggested....or as above, just friendlies? Theres a bit on bbc sport that explains it. There is a way to qualify but its a very convoluted system i think. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/42719404 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 The Sept/Oct/Nov fixture dates are going to lead to a disjointed league campaign next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 13 minutes ago, Thommo414 said: Potential for Scotland to be drawn against Israel I see. Mhanks will love that Won't bother them, they'll all be too busy shouting on the Irish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Scotland israel albania Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William H. Bonney Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 This is hurting my brain. So if Scotland were to win the nations league they qualify for Euro 2020. If that's the case, what happens to the Euro 2020 campaign. Do we just stop trying to qualify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsalldothebeattie Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Israel and Albania surely we will get out that group hampden will be rocking for these games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Scotland Albania Israel Exciting stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Think we play them both twice home and away , so the 4 team groups play 6games we play 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 minute ago, letsalldothebeattie said: Israel and Albania surely we will get out that group hampden will be rocking for these games 2 teams that, on their day, could give us a very hard time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsalldothebeattie Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Just now, ...a bit disco said: 2 teams that, on their day, could give us a very hard time. I know but really we should get the better of them. But it is Scotland we will probably end bottom and relegated to league D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strachsuit Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Good draw for our hopes of winning the section and qualifying for the play-offs of League C but a terrible draw for the TA. Very difficult and expensive places to get to. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strachsuit Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, letsalldothebeattie said: I know but really we should get the better of them. But it is Scotland we will probably end bottom and relegated to league D That would be good if they keep this format for 2024 then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jefferson Davis Hogg said: This is hurting my brain. So if Scotland were to win the nations league they qualify for Euro 2020. If that's the case, what happens to the Euro 2020 campaign. Do we just stop trying to qualify? I think the euro 2020 qualifying campaign takes precident. So if we qualify through the qualifying but also top our section in this thing the next team gets the nations league spot. There is also a strange thing about finishing positions and rankings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsalldothebeattie Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Strachsuit said: That would be good if they keep this format for 2024 then... It’s apparently what everyone’s been wanting. Don’t know who Uefa asked that to. I would be surprised if it is too but the powers that be in the game always take ages to make change so it’ll be here for the next 50 years at this rate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strachsuit Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, milky_26 said: I think the euro 2020 qualifying campaign takes precident. So if we qualify through the qualifying but also top our section in this thing the next team gets the nations league spot. There is also a strange thing about finishing positions and rankings It's not the next team in our section though, it's the next team in the entire League C, based on results. So if we were to qualify through E2020 qualifying but win all our games in this section and Israel finished second on 6 points, they wouldn't be the ones that would qualify in our place. Someone else within the other sections would have a better record in League C and would take our place in the play-offs. A bit like the worst-placed second in the recent WC qualifiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thommo414 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 17 minutes ago, johnmitchell said: Won't bother them, they'll all be too busy shouting on the Irish. That's a fair point actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future's Maroon Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 44 minutes ago, sadj said: Theres a bit on bbc sport that explains it. There is a way to qualify but its a very convoluted system i think. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/42719404 I read, and watched the videos on the Beeb....still confused. Even the guys on Sky are confused! Suppose it's a 'tourney' Nations could use like a National 'b' team or U23's competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerbandit Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Hope the matches are played midweek. Hate these international weekends not being able to watched my beloved Hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, The Future's Maroon said: I read, and watched the videos on the Beeb....still confused. Even the guys on Sky are confused! Oh i didnt mean i understood it. Its so convoluted to the point the draw had weather clashes i didnt even try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 We mocked the intertoto cup but now strive to enter it, though it’s been re-badged. Similarly with the original world and euro tournaments for clubs and nations. In at the ground level this time. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future's Maroon Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 minute ago, sadj said: Oh i didnt mean i understood it. Its so convoluted to the point the draw had weather clashes i didnt even try The weather clashes bit just puzzled my wee brain even more....so much I just turned it off ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Just now, The Future's Maroon said: The weather clashes bit just puzzled my wee brain even more....so much I just turned it off ? Norway couldnt be in with Finland and Estonia lost me too. I stopped listening after that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 The way I see it, it's a waste of time for teams like England, Germany, Spain etc, as they're pretty much guaranteed to qualify anyway, however the lower league sides will get excited by it, as will the lower ranked teams that are in the top group that haven't qualified normally. Could it be possible tbough that if these teams are all ranked as top seeds for this, and they all pretty much end up qualifying for the next Euros anyway, that it means there wouldn't be a top league representative left to qualify? I know it's unlikely, but hypothetically, I think it has an outside chance of happening if they all qualify through the normal group stages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 51 minutes ago, sadj said: Think we play them both twice home and away , so the 4 team groups play 6games we play 8 Ok theyve changed their minds now its only home and away once ??♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, johnmitchell said: The way I see it, it's a waste of time for teams like England, Germany, Spain etc, as they're pretty much guaranteed to qualify anyway, however the lower league sides will get excited by it, as will the lower ranked teams that are in the top group that haven't qualified normally. Could it be possible tbough that if these teams are all ranked as top seeds for this, and they all pretty much end up qualifying for the next Euros anyway, that it means there wouldn't be a top league representative left to qualify? I know it's unlikely, but hypothetically, I think it has an outside chance of happening if they all qualify through the normal group stages. Waste of time but finish bottom they get relegated to league b. England Croatia and Spain so potentially England could get relegated as will one of France , Netherlands and Germany. Seems far too much hard work to understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Homme said: Scotland Albania Israel Exciting stuff! Are Albania and Israel even in Europe? Mental. Edit: Not serious as I'm aware that they are (at least in football terms) but not that long ago that they weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 As they take the place of friendlies then I suppose it's ok. Not that it bothers me unless the Albania home game is played at Tynecastle, when I might think about going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 14 minutes ago, graygo said: Are Albania and Israel even in Europe? Mental. Edit: Not serious as I'm aware that they are (at least in football terms) but not that long ago that they weren't. Eh, Albania are more in Europe than Greece. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 27 minutes ago, sadj said: Waste of time but finish bottom they get relegated to league b. England Croatia and Spain so potentially England could get relegated as will one of France , Netherlands and Germany. Seems far too much hard work to understand It's a head scratcher eh? I'm wondering if bottom of each group gets relegated, or if it's the two teams with the worst record etc, and also, are future qualifying draws based on league placings to at least give this thing some relevance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Albania is a really up and coming place. I took the ferry over from Corfu town to Saranda when I was on holiday 2 years ago and it opened my eyes. The resort was spotless, full of 5* hotels and every 2nd car was a Merc. Seemingly the Scandinavians are buying up all the properties and going there on holiday. It's still really cheap as well. I don't know what Tirana or any other industrial city will be like though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 minute ago, johnmitchell said: It's a head scratcher eh? I'm wondering if bottom of each group gets relegated, or if it's the two teams with the worst record etc, and also, are future qualifying draws based on league placings to at least give this thing some relevance? It can help with co-efficient they said on sky they also said the bottom teams in each group relegated top teams promoted but Danny Mills also said there will be a lot of top European clubs worrying about relegation from the League their in so god only knows ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 12 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Eh, Albania are more in Europe than Greece. ? Indeed, however Greece are part of the European Union and Albania aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, sadj said: It can help with co-efficient they said on sky they also said the bottom teams in each group relegated top teams promoted but Danny Mills also said there will be a lot of top European clubs worrying about relegation from the League their in so god only knows ? I guess it will all become apparent, Albania and Israel though, haud me back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, graygo said: Indeed, however Greece are part of the European Union and Albania aren't. Neither are the Swiss, Norwegians or soon to be British. Are they not European too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol jamboree 10 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Albania due to join E U. They get €1.2 bn a year funding till 2020 from E U.They are members of N A T O.They have preferred candidate status with the E U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 ''Backdoor entry''. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 15 minutes ago, Bristol jamboree 10 said: Albania due to join E U. They get €1.2 bn a year funding till 2020 from E U.They are members of N A T O.They have preferred candidate status with the E U With our £50b exit bill, the EU are paying **** all?.. drinks till 2030 are on us. I'd also guess we get more than £1.2b from the EU, CBA checking. I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 21 minutes ago, Ibrahim Tall said: Neither are the Swiss, Norwegians or soon to be British. Are they not European too? Nut they're no awrite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 hour ago, graygo said: Are Albania and Israel even in Europe? Mental. Edit: Not serious as I'm aware that they are (at least in football terms) but not that long ago that they weren't. Do they participate in the Eurovision Song Contest? Yes! Then they're in ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: Do they participate in the Eurovision Song Contest? Yes! Then they're in ! Like Australia then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut The Crap Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 I've read the explanation and watched the video and I'm still like: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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