NANOJAMBO Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 7 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said: And ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 8 hours ago, pablo said: I can see how it's a complete mess, but how does a no-deal Brexit result in the reunification of Ireland? I don't get that personally. Fair enough. I thought it had been more than adequately covered by the media , especially when the Sinn Fein spokes woman said her stuff. Not that I support SF or Irish unity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 44 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Reunifying Ireland might seem like a clever and simple idea, but it is neither. Mind you, sundering the island is a pretty stupid idea as well. There isn't a border. Seriously. It's like something out of an episode of Doctor Who. There's one country here, and another one just over there, and they're quite different, and there's definitely a point at which one place disappears and the other one pops into being, but there's no border. Just 499 kilometres of not very much that manages to successfully mark the very clear difference between one country and another. If you'd described that to me in the mid-1990s I'd said you were between deluded and insane, yet there it is, and isn't. Kinda like Schrödinger's border, in a way. Some people want to replace Schrödinger's border with something altogether more, er, tangible, and don't seem to realise how daft an idea that it. One or two of those might actually be malicious, but for the most part I suspect it's that they just don't see why there might be a fuss. But if they take a wee visit to Pettigo, Strabane, Lifford, or Belleek, or any one of dozens of points either side of Schrödinger's border, they'll be able to work it out. (But I am asking you not to run that line about uniting Ireland again. It's not good. Please trust me on that.) Who said it was clever or simple ? The comments on here relate to the fact NI voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU - but have no voice while the DUP have the UK govt by the neck. The SF spokeswoman made the point that if NI wants to stay in the EU then maybe there should be a vote on it = ie unity ? No need for me to go into the border scenarios - it's well documented and all options have been kicked out by the DUP. No one is running a line for Irish unity but it's a fact that politicians in NI now see an opportunity that must seem heaven sent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Francis Albert said: That would actually be in breach of the Good Friday Agreement. Unlike as so often claimed without challenge border contols between the Republic and NI. Ireland for the Irish. If we've learned one thing from this, the brexiteers don't give a toss about the GFA. Edited October 24, 2018 by Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 6 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said: And ? The UK is irreparably damaged as a union now. Whatever May comes out with is sound bite bollocks. The union is fractured and the forthcoming shit storm will widen the fractures and what was 'the empire' will disappear into its own irrelevance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 I read in the FT this morning that the gov't is looking to charter a flotilla of ships and ferries to keep food and medicines rolling into the UK after 29/3. It's the Berlin airlift for the 21st century folks. Project fear...blah,blah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Is it 96% yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) The National Audit Office announced today that 11 out of 12 critical systems for border control and customs will not be ready for 29/3. Yet more project fear from.....er the gov't themselves? Sourcing the unicorns for Boris' border plan proving tougher than he thought. Strong and stable Edited October 24, 2018 by The Mighty Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 The EU is effectively governing Italy now. They made their bed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 hour ago, SE16 3LN said: The EU is effectively governing Italy now. They made their bed... Conflating Eurozone membership with EU membership. Two seperate things there. BUt suits the narrative I suppose... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Just now, Boris said: Conflating Eurozone membership with EU membership. Two seperate things there. BUt suits the narrative I suppose... Not being able to recognise that economics is politics and politics is economics. No separation exists. You know that but suits the narrative to pretend otherwise I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Just now, SE16 3LN said: Not being able to recognise that economics is politics and politics is economics. No separation exists. You know that but suits the narrative to pretend otherwise I suppose. Of course there is a seperation. Take the UK, when was our budget ever queried by the European Commission? No, because it has feck all to do with them. If we were part of the EUro, then you can understand as the effect of one Euro country's budget could have on the other Euro nations. This is about the currency, and also the consequence of further integration, so one can be sceptical about the Euro etc, it doesn't necessarily follow that one has to against the EU per se. IMO, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, Boris said: Of course there is a seperation. Take the UK, when was our budget ever queried by the European Commission? No, because it has feck all to do with them. If we were part of the EUro, then you can understand as the effect of one Euro country's budget could have on the other Euro nations. This is about the currency, and also the consequence of further integration, so one can be sceptical about the Euro etc, it doesn't necessarily follow that one has to against the EU per se. IMO, of course. I'm extremely disappointed in you Boris. This is Marxism for beginners stuff, its capitalism and the ROE is threatening Italy politically and economically. They can't have a budget that reflects the political will of the Italian people. As I said they made their bed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said: I'm extremely disappointed in you Boris. This is Marxism for beginners stuff, its capitalism and the ROE is threatening Italy politically and economically. They can't have a budget that reflects the political will of the Italian people. As I said they made their bed... Then they should leave the Euro and go back to the lira. If you as a nation sign up to the Euro then you must also bear the consequences. Same happened to Greece. I'm not arguing FOR this, just saying, as you are, they have made their bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, Boris said: Then they should leave the Euro and go back to the lira. If you as a nation sign up to the Euro then you must also bear the consequences. Same happened to Greece. I'm not arguing FOR this, just saying, as you are, they have made their bed. but you can't therefore, separate the economic from the political? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 hour ago, SE16 3LN said: but you can't therefore, separate the economic from the political? You can, in the UK's experience. May be we are at cross purposes, but there is a difference between being an EU member and being a Eurozone member. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 "As long as there is no solution for the Irish border, as long as the Good Friday agreement is not fully secured, for us in our parliament progress is 0 per cent." Guy Verhofstadt, president of the European Parliament (which can reject the deal because it also has a meaningful vote on the final agreement) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 36 minutes ago, Cade said: "As long as there is no solution for the Irish border, as long as the Good Friday agreement is not fully secured, for us in our parliament progress is 0 per cent." Guy Verhofstadt, president of the European Parliament (which can reject the deal because it also has a meaningful vote on the final agreement) I wonder if he has read the Good Friday Agreement. Indeed I sometimes wonder if anyone has. I read it twice and could find no mention of the border, a strange omission for something so vital to the agreement being "secured:" The EU did very little to secure peace while the killing was going on. The Americans were far more involved. The exploitation of threats of renewed terrorist action tells us a lot about the EU. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Has Maybot said "acting in the national interest" yet today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Victorian said: Has Maybot said "acting in the national interest" yet today? I tell you what's interesting is that Gove, Johnson and Rees Mogg have done a bit of a disappearing act of late. Come to think of it somebody should go to Corbyn's gaff to make sure he's not dead behind the front door as he's not been seen either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 We're 95% there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 7 hours ago, Ulysses said: Someone's Letter to the Viz has ended up elsewhere I see ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) Could be a wee wait for those trade deals post-brexit... http://www.cityam.com/267128/members-block-uks-bid-fast-track-its-post-brexit-entry-into?fbclid=IwAR211LF31t2vsJ6VmWCXN4CuHp9iF-BdRLJeh1-qw82cNc8XSIg9-kP-KNg Edited October 26, 2018 by Boris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 2 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said: We're 95% there Austerity is over anaw. Mr Hammond is currently working on how he'll demonstrate this in the upcoming budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Boris said: Could be a wee wait for those trade deals post-brexit... http://www.cityam.com/267128/members-block-uks-bid-fast-track-its-post-brexit-entry-into?fbclid=IwAR211LF31t2vsJ6VmWCXN4CuHp9iF-BdRLJeh1-qw82cNc8XSIg9-kP-KNg Liam Fox "easiest trade deals, ever" How's that working out then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 7 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said: Liam Fox "easiest trade deals, ever" How's that working out then? Ah, Russia. Where would we be without you? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/26/russia-brexit-liam-fox-wto-plan-uk?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Memo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 17 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Ah, Russia. Where would we be without you? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/26/russia-brexit-liam-fox-wto-plan-uk?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Memo The Russians and the other 20 or so countries are going to rip the arse out of team UK as desperation grows as March looms on the horizon. It's an absolute shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 https://wp.me/p1U04a-bjT WTO my arse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 On 24/10/2018 at 10:54, SE16 3LN said: The EU is effectively governing Italy now. They made their bed... Italians overstretching and causing the Germans a headache, that they'll need to try and sort out? It's history repeating itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Italians thinking EU rules are not actual rules but only suggestions. Dicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 On 26/10/2018 at 23:26, Pans Jambo said: https://wp.me/p1U04a-bjT WTO my arse! The bit with the May photograph saying the UK has lost $1.7 trillion of contracts assumes the UK would secure all of the $1.7 trillion's worth of deals available. Worthy of putting on the side of a bus! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 It would be ironic if following a year or more of endless premature reports of May's political demise she from now on lasted longer as PM than Merkel will as Chancellor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Merkel's been Chancellor since 2005. She is stepping down in 2021. Are you seriously trying to claim that Weak&Wobbly is going last longer than 16 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Cade said: Merkel's been Chancellor since 2005. She is stepping down in 2021. Are you seriously trying to claim that Weak&Wobbly is going last longer than 16 years? See the words "from now on" in my post. But ROFL on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 5 hours ago, Francis Albert said: The bit with the May photograph saying the UK has lost $1.7 trillion of contracts assumes the UK would secure all of the $1.7 trillion's worth of deals available. Worthy of putting on the side of a bus! Well youve got to be in it to win it I guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 So, this National Crime Agency. What does it do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 9 hours ago, Ulysses said: So, this National Crime Agency. What does it do? Handles serious organised crime, it's the shitey UK version of the FBI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 13 hours ago, Cade said: Handles serious organised crime, it's the shitey UK version of the FBI Serious organised crime, eh? Imagine what sort of people get referred for investigation by them, so. Dearie, dearie me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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