Brexit Deal agreed ( updated )

[Martin_T]

1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said:

Here is the deal uk - its a worse deal than we have given any other country in the world and includes the right to fish in your waters which we dont have with any other country in the world - take it or leave it .

 

Em well we do have a lot of pant wetters and krankies who would bite your hand of for that but NO 

you can shove it right up yer poop shute mes amis 

 

 

 

 

I guess UK consumers will have to up their consumption of fish, given that without a trade deal with the EU, by far the largest market for our catch will be gone.

[SectionDJambo]

1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said:

Here is the deal uk - its a worse deal than we have given any other country in the world and includes the right to fish in your waters which we dont have with any other country in the world - take it or leave it .

 

Em well we do have a lot of pant wetters and krankies who would bite your hand of for that but NO 

you can shove it right up yer poop shute mes amis 

 

 

 

Anyone who thought that the EU would give any leaving nation, not just the UK, a great arrangement to continue as before but without any disadvantages, is a supreme optimist. There would be others who would be doing the same thing, very soon, if that happened. The Brexiteers claim that Europe needed the UK more than the UK needed the EU, were just brazenly appealing to the masses who think there should still be a British Empire.

The fishing thing is, in my opinion, very secondary to the insistence on the UK following future EU standards of industry. They can't seriously expect any country to have to change their laws on manufacturing, workers' rights and movement of goods, every time they decide to. It's reasonable to insist on no regression of existing standards, but their current stance is not reasonable.  It looks to me, that they have thrown that one in to either get Johnson to relent on fishing rights instead, or they have decided to just give him a problem he can't solve with his Brexit mates, just for the jollies. He's not a popular figure within the circle of European leaders, many of whom have been pissed off by his comments about Europe in the past. 

It's also no surprise that it seems to be the French who are pushing for this. De Gaulle never wanted the UK in their club in the first place, when the only real mantra was free trade between the few nations. He always said that the British would end up causing trouble and demanding that everyone else did what they wanted. He wasn't far wrong.

[Beni]

2 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Here is the deal uk - its a worse deal than we have given any other country in the world and includes the right to fish in your waters which we dont have with any other country in the world - take it or leave it .

 

Em well we do have a lot of pant wetters and krankies who would bite your hand of for that but NO 

you can shove it right up yer poop shute mes amis 

 

 

 

 

Why are you getting angry at the EU? They weren't the ones claiming it would be the easiest deal in the world, with the UK holding all the cards.

[Konrad von Carstein]

1 hour ago, fancy a brew said:

 

Why are you getting angry at the EU? They weren't the ones claiming it would be the easiest deal in the world, with the UK holding all the cards.

He doesn't know the answer to that...his posts are attention seeking drivel peppered with trolling soundbites...

[The Real Maroonblood]

Just now, Konrad von Carstein said:

He doesn't know the answer to that...his posts are attention seeking drivel peppered with trolling soundbites...

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

If it was possible, everyone who voted for Brexit should have it tattooed to their foreheads, so we know whom to blame in future.

[Konrad von Carstein]

1 minute ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

He's one of the few posters I have on ignore, so only see when he's quoted, some people are able to post coherently why they hold the viewpoint that they do...him not so much...

[Cade]

Boris tries to open direct talks with Macron and Merkel.

 

They tell him that as the UK has left the EU and is no longer a member state, they can no longer have bipartisan talks with him and told him to go and talk to Barnier as he's the negotiator that deals with outside nations.

 

Feel the burn.

 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

1 minute ago, Cade said:

Boris tries to open direct talks with Macron and Merkel.

 

They tell him that as the UK has left the EU and is no longer a member state, they can no longer have bipartisan talks with him and told him to go and talk to Barnier as he's the negotiator that deals with outside nations.

 

Feel the burn.

 

 

😂

 

Its still not getting through to some of them. This is entirely self inflicted. 

 

Listening to interviews with hauliers and freight forwarders its a complete shambles.

Buckle up for shortages of anything and everything that comes into the UK by road or sea freight even if the Tories actually do have any intention of securing a deal. 

 

 

 

 

[Boof]

39 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

He doesn't know the answer to that...his posts are attention seeking drivel peppered with trolling soundbites...

 

And ****ing tiresome to put up with.

[Beni]

5 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Em well we do have a lot of pant wetters and krankies who would bite your hand of for that but NO 

you can shove it right up yer poop shute mes amis

 

2 hours ago, fancy a brew said:

Why are you getting angry at the EU?

 

I'd recommend you watch this video, I think it'll help you understand the anger you're feeling about how things didn't work the way you were expecting.

And hopefully with this knowledge you can start to move on to a happier place.

 

 

[I P Knightley]

19 hours ago, Victorian said:

"I'll try to get a deal but everyone should prepare for that Australia option".

 

"That Australia option" meaning no deal whatsoever.  He might as well call it The Martian Agreement or The Brigadoon Protocol.

 

It's called no deal you *****.

It's the Emperor's new deal. If you're a Tory clocksucker, it's the finest, most magnificent deal you've ever seen.

[Francis Albert]

4 hours ago, Martin_T said:

 

I guess UK consumers will have to up their consumption of fish, given that without a trade deal with the EU, by far the largest market for our catch will be gone.

Although increasing our consumprion of fish (preferably not deep fried) would do wonders for the nation's health, why on earth would the market be gone?

[Cade]

One Tory MP who's spewing that Merkel gave BoJo The Clown the cold shoulder has actually started banging on about the war over on twitter.

They've lost the plot completely.

 

[manaliveits105]

For the extremely hard of thinking dullards and 

krankies I shall repeat ;

A person who holds a different opinion from yours is not a troll

its a person who holds a different opinion from you

if you cant deal with that you should not be on a message board.

 

 

 

[Boof]

6 hours ago, Martin_T said:

 

I guess UK consumers will have to up their consumption of fish, given that without a trade deal with the EU, by far the largest market for our catch will be gone.

 

2 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

Although increasing our consumprion of fish (preferably not deep fried) would do wonders for the nation's health, why on earth would the market be gone?

 

That's not what he said, though, is it?

 

[Norm]

16 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

For the extremely hard of thinking dullards and 

krankies I shall repeat ;

A person who holds a different opinion from yours is not a troll

its a person who holds a different opinion from you

if you cant deal with that you should not be on a message board.

 

 

 

If they hold a different opinion from pretty much everyone else, across  a whole vast spectrum of different issues, then they probably are a troll. 

[manaliveits105]

6 minutes ago, Norm said:

If they hold a different opinion from pretty much everyone else, across  a whole vast spectrum of different issues, then they probably are a troll. 

Correct there are a few of them on here 

 

[Konrad von Carstein]

34 minutes ago, Norm said:

If they hold a different opinion from pretty much everyone else, across  a whole vast spectrum of different issues, then they probably are a troll. 

FFS!

Even in his "I only have a different opinion to you" post he still includes antagonistic terms, one in particular that he finds hilarious and edgy! 

 

If it posts like a troll, tries to justify itself by trolling, then it's a **** troll (or a dullard) 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 11, 2020 by Konrad von Carstein

[Cade]

...........and now they're sending in the Navy to keep the French boats out.

 

Presumably we'll then force them buy these fish at gunpoint too.

 

[argyjambo]

4 hours ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

If it was possible, everyone who voted for Brexit should have it tattooed to their foreheads, so we know whom to blame in future.

Can we do the same to all the individuals who vote for SNP & independence,  after all, it''s only fair.

[Francis Albert]

34 minutes ago, Boof said:

 

 

That's not what he said, though, is it?

 

What did he mean when he said that in the absence of a trade deal "the largest market for our catch will be gone"? How did I misquote or misrepresent him?

 

Markets don't exist only  in the context of trade deals. Europe is not blessed with large fish stocks and it is not obvious what would replace fish from UK waters at reasonable cost. The Norwegians negotiate quotas with the EU each year and as with oil and gas Norway is driven by preserving resources for future generations. It is not about to agree to deplete its fish stocks to replace UK fish sales to the EU. It already sells as much as and no more than it wants to.

 

 

[Boof]

2 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

What did he mean when he said that in the absence of a trade deal "the largest market for our catch will be gone"? How did I misquote or misrepresent him?

 

The other poster stated that the 'largest' market would be gone. You asked why the market would be gone.

 

Maybe splitting hairs but it's not the same thing.

[The Mighty Thor]

1 hour ago, Cade said:

...........and now they're sending in the Navy to keep the French boats out.

 

Presumably we'll then force them buy these fish at gunpoint too.

 

What Navy? 😂

 

Boris has taken getting dingyed by Merkel and Macron well 😂

[Beni]

2 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

For the extremely hard of thinking dullards and 

krankies I shall repeat ;

A person who holds a different opinion from yours is not a troll

its a person who holds a different opinion from you

if you cant deal with that you should not be on a message board.

 

 

 

 

Holding a different opinion is perfectly legitimate. Voting to leave the EU, and not wanting/ a deal is perfectly legitimate. However  having got exactly what you want, why are you still angry at the EU for not offering a deal that you like?

It's a fairly simple question.

[Ulysses]

7 hours ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

He doesn't know the answer to that...his posts are attention seeking drivel peppered with trolling soundbites...

 

No, I'd say they're not even that good.

[Ulysses]

6 hours ago, I P Knightley said:

It's the Emperor's new deal. If you're a Tory clocksucker, it's the finest, most magnificent deal you've ever seen.

 

It's not that the Emperor has no clothes, it's that he's wearing an Australian-style suit.

[Lone Striker]

10 hours ago, Martin_T said:

 

I guess UK consumers will have to up their consumption of fish, given that without a trade deal with the EU, by far the largest market for our catch will be gone.

..... which would be a very good thing,  both for our own health  and for the fishermen's incomes.   It would also help the economy if people gave more support to local food producers (ideally Scottish ones ....and if not,  wider UK ones).   Loads of great food on our doorstep.    

[RobboM]

[Enzo Chiefo]

5 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

What did he mean when he said that in the absence of a trade deal "the largest market for our catch will be gone"? How did I misquote or misrepresent him?

 

Markets don't exist only  in the context of trade deals. Europe is not blessed with large fish stocks and it is not obvious what would replace fish from UK waters at reasonable cost. The Norwegians negotiate quotas with the EU each year and as with oil and gas Norway is driven by preserving resources for future generations. It is not about to agree to deplete its fish stocks to replace UK fish sales to the EU. It already sells as much as and no more than it wants to.

 

 

Exactly, markets will determine whether products sell or not. If European consumers want fish then they will buy it, regardless of what political bureaucrats say. The Common Market was and is a good idea, the political, bureaucratic,  corrupt, nest-feathering political union isn't. The EU need to treat us as a potential trade partner rather than trying to punish a departing ex-member. Britain will not be the only member state to leave, just the first, and that's why the EU are panicking. The one aspect that is rarely mentioned is the billions we will save in contributions and the black hole it will leave in the EU budget.

[Unknown user]

1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Exactly, markets will determine whether products sell or not. If European consumers want fish then they will buy it, regardless of what political bureaucrats say. The Common Market was and is a good idea, the political, bureaucratic,  corrupt, nest-feathering political union isn't. The EU need to treat us as a potential trade partner rather than trying to punish a departing ex-member. Britain will not be the only member state to leave, just the first, and that's why the EU are panicking. The one aspect that is rarely mentioned is the billions we will save in contributions and the black hole it will leave in the EU budget.

The EU are panicking are they? What is this based on?

[Ulysses]

1 hour ago, Smithee said:

The EU are panicking are they? What is this based on?

 

Who knows?  It would help if the quality of contributions from the anti-EU side were a bit more thoughtful.  It's not pro-Brexit, by the way, it's anti-EU.  You've already left, and what's going on now is about a future trading relationship.  Those of you speaking pejoratively (and, let's face it, immaturely) about the EU would be doing so regardless of what was being discussed, said or done in the negotiations.  You're not really fooling anyone.

 

Despite Enzo's view to the contrary, those who are anti-EU never stop going on about the British contribution to the EU Budget.  It's tiny, and irrelevant.  It really, really is.  It's not as tiny as the fish business, but it's really small.  And here's the point the poor blighters keep missing while they're thrashing about fighting old wars - you've already left, we've already noticed and we've had to put up with it.  But now we need to deal with trade in the future, not budgets and structures in the past.  We have, pardon the pun, bigger fish to fry.

 

The UK has repeatedly shown itself to be an unreliable partner and a dishonest negotiator, and none of us trust you.  The UK's unreliability has been a problem for several years.  Instead of treating the EU as an existing and potential trading partner, the UK has persistently tried to put one over on the EU, and to gain the same access to EU markets as it previously had while looking for negotiated scams that would allow it to undermine the Single Market and undercut and undersell our businesses and our people.  And the UK has repeatedly backtracked on or tried to weasel out of agreements it has reached and commitments it has given.  Faced with that, the EU has to stand its ground as best it can, and someone has to act like an adult - and because the UK refuses to do so that task falls to people on our side.

 

The EU doesn't really care about the overall fish market, because we'll easily replace the UK stocks.  But that won't help local politics in about eight member states, hence the hassle over fish.  However, the EU's approach to fish isn't really any different to the UK which also cares more about local politics than the actual trading and economics issues involved.

 

The UK wants to keep a hold of as much of the EU market as it can, while being free to undermine and undercut that market whenever it likes.  Our member states don't do that to each other.  We don't do it to those countries with which we have trade agreements, we don't let any of them do it to us, and we're not looking to do it to the UK.  We want to protect the trade we have with the UK, in both directions, but not at the price of ruining the Single Market that contributes so much to our trade and our prosperity.  We stand to lose 700,000 jobs in the event of no deal.  Therefore, if we are prepared to face down the UK and risk no deal, it stands to reason that we must have a very good reason for doing so.  The very good reason is that many multiples of 700,000 jobs are at risk if we damage our own SIngle Market to suit the British.

 

It is that simple.  The EU is not out to punish the UK - that's the language of comic books and primary school playgrounds.  The EU cannot risk its Single Market, and there is no point in asking us to do so.  You gambled that it would matter less to us than it does.  You were wrong, as the former chair of Vote Leave had to acknowledge earlier this week.

 

And despite the Daily Express-style tabloid nonsense, the EU isn't panicking over this.  It's unfortunate to lose 700,000 jobs, but we lost more in the last financial crisis and we muddled through, and losing millions of jobs by doing a bad deal would be far, far worse. 

 

And finally, the UK used to have one of the cleverest and most thorough diplomatic services on the planet.  But judging from the terribly inept analysis of the European landscape on display, and the woefully poor negotiation strategy adopted by the UK as a result of that, the rest of us have to wonder what on Earth has gone wrong.

 

This will be a difficult adjustment for us all, and it will be particularly awkward In Ireland (temporarily at least).  But we need to move on.  Brexit is becoming a smaller and smaller issue for us, and we need to leave it behind and concentrate on some very pressing issues.  We have a Covid-19 recovery agenda to be getting on with, climate change hasn't gone away, and we have serious issues with our relationships with third-party countries to our east and south east that we need to manage - and those are just for starters.

[ri Alban]

2 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

Who knows?  It would help if the quality of contributions from the anti-EU side were a bit more thoughtful.  It's not pro-Brexit, by the way, it's anti-EU.  You've already left, and what's going on now is about a future trading relationship.  Those of you speaking pejoratively (and, let's face it, immaturely) about the EU would be doing so regardless of what was being discussed, said or done in the negotiations.  You're not really fooling anyone.

 

Despite Enzo's view to the contrary, those who are anti-EU never stop going on about the British contribution to the EU Budget.  It's tiny, and irrelevant.  It really, really is.  It's not as tiny as the fish business, but it's really small.  And here's the point the poor blighters keep missing while they're thrashing about fighting old wars - you've already left, we've already noticed and we've had to put up with it.  But now we need to deal with trade in the future, not budgets and structures in the past.  We have, pardon the pun, bigger fish to fry.

 

The UK has repeatedly shown itself to be an unreliable partner and a dishonest negotiator, and none of us trust you.  The UK's unreliability has been a problem for several years.  Instead of treating the EU as an existing and potential trading partner, the UK has persistently tried to put one over on the EU, and to gain the same access to EU markets as it previously had while looking for negotiated scams that would allow it to undermine the Single Market and undercut and undersell our businesses and our people.  And the UK has repeatedly backtracked on or tried to weasel out of agreements it has reached and commitments it has given.  Faced with that, the EU has to stand its ground as best it can, and someone has to act like an adult - and because the UK refuses to do so that task falls to people on our side.

 

The EU doesn't really care about the overall fish market, because we'll easily replace the UK stocks.  But that won't help local politics in about eight member states, hence the hassle over fish.  However, the EU's approach to fish isn't really any different to the UK which also cares more about local politics than the actual trading and economics issues involved.

 

The UK wants to keep a hold of as much of the EU market as it can, while being free to undermine and undercut that market whenever it likes.  Our member states don't do that to each other.  We don't do it to those countries with which we have trade agreements, we don't let any of them do it to us, and we're not looking to do it to the UK.  We want to protect the trade we have with the UK, in both directions, but not at the price of ruining the Single Market that contributes so much to our trade and our prosperity.  We stand to lose 700,000 jobs in the event of no deal.  Therefore, if we are prepared to face down the UK and risk no deal, it stands to reason that we must have a very good reason for doing so.  The very good reason is that many multiples of 700,000 jobs are at risk if we damage our own SIngle Market to suit the British.

 

It is that simple.  The EU is not out to punish the UK - that's the language of comic books and primary school playgrounds.  The EU cannot risk its Single Market, and there is no point in asking us to do so.  You gambled that it would matter less to us than it does.  You were wrong, as the former chair of Vote Leave had to acknowledge earlier this week.

 

And despite the Daily Express-style tabloid nonsense, the EU isn't panicking over this.  It's unfortunate to lose 700,000 jobs, but we lost more in the last financial crisis and we muddled through, and losing millions of jobs by doing a bad deal would be far, far worse. 

 

And finally, the UK used to have one of the cleverest and most thorough diplomatic services on the planet.  But judging from the terribly inept analysis of the European landscape on display, and the woefully poor negotiation strategy adopted by the UK as a result of that, the rest of us have to wonder what on Earth has gone wrong.

 

This will be a difficult adjustment for us all, and it will be particularly awkward In Ireland (temporarily at least).  But we need to move on.  Brexit is becoming a smaller and smaller issue for us, and we need to leave it behind and concentrate on some very pressing issues.  We have a Covid-19 recovery agenda to be getting on with, climate change hasn't gone away, and we have serious issues with our relationships with third-party countries to our east and south east that we need to manage - and those are just for starters.

Scotland will be back soon enough, in one form or another. And now with Trump gone, little old rUK will be well and truly surrounded. 

[ri Alban]

2 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

Who knows?  It would help if the quality of contributions from the anti-EU side were a bit more thoughtful.  It's not pro-Brexit, by the way, it's anti-EU.  You've already left, and what's going on now is about a future trading relationship.  Those of you speaking pejoratively (and, let's face it, immaturely) about the EU would be doing so regardless of what was being discussed, said or done in the negotiations.  You're not really fooling anyone.

 

Despite Enzo's view to the contrary, those who are anti-EU never stop going on about the British contribution to the EU Budget.  It's tiny, and irrelevant.  It really, really is.  It's not as tiny as the fish business, but it's really small.  And here's the point the poor blighters keep missing while they're thrashing about fighting old wars - you've already left, we've already noticed and we've had to put up with it.  But now we need to deal with trade in the future, not budgets and structures in the past.  We have, pardon the pun, bigger fish to fry.

 

The UK has repeatedly shown itself to be an unreliable partner and a dishonest negotiator, and none of us trust you.  The UK's unreliability has been a problem for several years.  Instead of treating the EU as an existing and potential trading partner, the UK has persistently tried to put one over on the EU, and to gain the same access to EU markets as it previously had while looking for negotiated scams that would allow it to undermine the Single Market and undercut and undersell our businesses and our people.  And the UK has repeatedly backtracked on or tried to weasel out of agreements it has reached and commitments it has given.  Faced with that, the EU has to stand its ground as best it can, and someone has to act like an adult - and because the UK refuses to do so that task falls to people on our side.

 

The EU doesn't really care about the overall fish market, because we'll easily replace the UK stocks.  But that won't help local politics in about eight member states, hence the hassle over fish.  However, the EU's approach to fish isn't really any different to the UK which also cares more about local politics than the actual trading and economics issues involved.

 

The UK wants to keep a hold of as much of the EU market as it can, while being free to undermine and undercut that market whenever it likes.  Our member states don't do that to each other.  We don't do it to those countries with which we have trade agreements, we don't let any of them do it to us, and we're not looking to do it to the UK.  We want to protect the trade we have with the UK, in both directions, but not at the price of ruining the Single Market that contributes so much to our trade and our prosperity.  We stand to lose 700,000 jobs in the event of no deal.  Therefore, if we are prepared to face down the UK and risk no deal, it stands to reason that we must have a very good reason for doing so.  The very good reason is that many multiples of 700,000 jobs are at risk if we damage our own SIngle Market to suit the British.

 

It is that simple.  The EU is not out to punish the UK - that's the language of comic books and primary school playgrounds.  The EU cannot risk its Single Market, and there is no point in asking us to do so.  You gambled that it would matter less to us than it does.  You were wrong, as the former chair of Vote Leave had to acknowledge earlier this week.

 

And despite the Daily Express-style tabloid nonsense, the EU isn't panicking over this.  It's unfortunate to lose 700,000 jobs, but we lost more in the last financial crisis and we muddled through, and losing millions of jobs by doing a bad deal would be far, far worse. 

 

And finally, the UK used to have one of the cleverest and most thorough diplomatic services on the planet.  But judging from the terribly inept analysis of the European landscape on display, and the woefully poor negotiation strategy adopted by the UK as a result of that, the rest of us have to wonder what on Earth has gone wrong.

 

This will be a difficult adjustment for us all, and it will be particularly awkward In Ireland (temporarily at least).  But we need to move on.  Brexit is becoming a smaller and smaller issue for us, and we need to leave it behind and concentrate on some very pressing issues.  We have a Covid-19 recovery agenda to be getting on with, climate change hasn't gone away, and we have serious issues with our relationships with third-party countries to our east and south east that we need to manage - and those are just for starters.

I'm starting to come round to Scotland adopting the Euro and full membership. I think we'd bring a lot more investment to the country than the UK ever allowed(Enough, but only enough). Yes, the EU is a better deal than the UK. And Scotland is fully independent. 

[Unknown user]

4 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

Who knows?  It would help if the quality of contributions from the anti-EU side were a bit more thoughtful.  It's not pro-Brexit, by the way, it's anti-EU.  You've already left, and what's going on now is about a future trading relationship.  Those of you speaking pejoratively (and, let's face it, immaturely) about the EU would be doing so regardless of what was being discussed, said or done in the negotiations.  You're not really fooling anyone.

 

Despite Enzo's view to the contrary, those who are anti-EU never stop going on about the British contribution to the EU Budget.  It's tiny, and irrelevant.  It really, really is.  It's not as tiny as the fish business, but it's really small.  And here's the point the poor blighters keep missing while they're thrashing about fighting old wars - you've already left, we've already noticed and we've had to put up with it.  But now we need to deal with trade in the future, not budgets and structures in the past.  We have, pardon the pun, bigger fish to fry.

 

The UK has repeatedly shown itself to be an unreliable partner and a dishonest negotiator, and none of us trust you.  The UK's unreliability has been a problem for several years.  Instead of treating the EU as an existing and potential trading partner, the UK has persistently tried to put one over on the EU, and to gain the same access to EU markets as it previously had while looking for negotiated scams that would allow it to undermine the Single Market and undercut and undersell our businesses and our people.  And the UK has repeatedly backtracked on or tried to weasel out of agreements it has reached and commitments it has given.  Faced with that, the EU has to stand its ground as best it can, and someone has to act like an adult - and because the UK refuses to do so that task falls to people on our side.

 

The EU doesn't really care about the overall fish market, because we'll easily replace the UK stocks.  But that won't help local politics in about eight member states, hence the hassle over fish.  However, the EU's approach to fish isn't really any different to the UK which also cares more about local politics than the actual trading and economics issues involved.

 

The UK wants to keep a hold of as much of the EU market as it can, while being free to undermine and undercut that market whenever it likes.  Our member states don't do that to each other.  We don't do it to those countries with which we have trade agreements, we don't let any of them do it to us, and we're not looking to do it to the UK.  We want to protect the trade we have with the UK, in both directions, but not at the price of ruining the Single Market that contributes so much to our trade and our prosperity.  We stand to lose 700,000 jobs in the event of no deal.  Therefore, if we are prepared to face down the UK and risk no deal, it stands to reason that we must have a very good reason for doing so.  The very good reason is that many multiples of 700,000 jobs are at risk if we damage our own SIngle Market to suit the British.

 

It is that simple.  The EU is not out to punish the UK - that's the language of comic books and primary school playgrounds.  The EU cannot risk its Single Market, and there is no point in asking us to do so.  You gambled that it would matter less to us than it does.  You were wrong, as the former chair of Vote Leave had to acknowledge earlier this week.

 

And despite the Daily Express-style tabloid nonsense, the EU isn't panicking over this.  It's unfortunate to lose 700,000 jobs, but we lost more in the last financial crisis and we muddled through, and losing millions of jobs by doing a bad deal would be far, far worse. 

 

And finally, the UK used to have one of the cleverest and most thorough diplomatic services on the planet.  But judging from the terribly inept analysis of the European landscape on display, and the woefully poor negotiation strategy adopted by the UK as a result of that, the rest of us have to wonder what on Earth has gone wrong.

 

This will be a difficult adjustment for us all, and it will be particularly awkward In Ireland (temporarily at least).  But we need to move on.  Brexit is becoming a smaller and smaller issue for us, and we need to leave it behind and concentrate on some very pressing issues.  We have a Covid-19 recovery agenda to be getting on with, climate change hasn't gone away, and we have serious issues with our relationships with third-party countries to our east and south east that we need to manage - and those are just for starters.

 

Good post, can't argue with any of that

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

12 hours ago, argyjambo said:

Can we do the same to all the individuals who vote for SNP & independence,  after all, it''s only fair.

Feel free, once our country gets its independence.

[The Mighty Thor]

The Mail & Express 😂

 

I hope the French boats flood the English coastal waters on 1st Jan.

 

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

54 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

The Mail & Express 😂

 

I hope the French boats flood the English coastal waters on 1st Jan.

 

 

Disgusting newspapers.

[ri Alban]

1 hour ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

Feel free, once our country gets its independence.

I'm in. 👍 But personally, I'd mark all Scots born no voters, who had the brass neck to then vote leave. Marked 666.

[Ainsley Harriott]

3 hours ago, ri Alban said:

I'm starting to come round to Scotland adopting the Euro and full membership. I think we'd bring a lot more investment to the country than the UK ever allowed(Enough, but only enough). Yes, the EU is a better deal than the UK. And Scotland is fully independent. 

Will be a long drawn out process considering scotland doesn't currently meet EU entry criteria. 

[Ainsley Harriott]

3 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

I'm in. 👍 But personally, I'd mark all Scots born no voters, who had the brass neck to then vote leave. Marked 666.

Wow bit Adolf Hitler like is it not?

[Ainsley Harriott]

1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said:

The Mail & Express 😂

 

I hope the French boats flood the English coastal waters on 1st Jan.

 

 

I hope we sink the ****ers 

[RobboM]

6 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

.....
And finally, the UK used to have one of the cleverest and most thorough diplomatic services on the planet.  But judging from the terribly inept analysis of the European landscape on display, and the woefully poor negotiation strategy adopted by the UK as a result of that, the rest of us have to wonder what on Earth has gone wrong.

 

.....

 

Marina Hyde in the Guardian didn't miss this week

"I will not unsee in a hurry the arresting photo in which Johnson and his chief negotiator, David Frost, are grinning like a pair of competition winners next to European commission president, Ursula von der Leyen, and her negotiator, Michel Barnier. Trussed up in some other guy’s suit, Johnson suddenly appeared to have the precise physique of Danny DeVito’s Penguin from Batman Returns. Though sadly not the brains."

Our team are the shambles on the left. The EU has the grown ups on the right. Put me in mind of the Europa League match a few seasons back. They've got Gareth Bale, we've got Jamie Hamill. We're ****ed!

 

Edited December 12, 2020 by RobboM

[redjambo]

Navy boats ready to patrol UK waters to keep EU fishermen out.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55283489

[Toxteth O'Grady]

22 hours ago, Martin_T said:

 

I guess UK consumers will have to up their consumption of fish, given that without a trade deal with the EU, by far the largest market for our catch will be gone.

Eat Pout to help out 

[The Real Maroonblood]

9 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Navy boats ready to patrol UK waters to keep EU fishermen out.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55283489

Britannia rules the waves.

[leginten]

Another very poor week for this increasingly ridiculous and ridiculed state. We’ve had the choreographed lying in the media about the “oven-ready” deal, Johnson and his sidekick appearing in Brussels wearing children’s suits and looking as if they’d been dragged though a hedge backwards, the oleaginous Rees-Mogg continuing to treat any questions in the Commons with complete contempt, Labour peers and Corbynist hacks queuing up to place the blame for the impending disaster on Remainers and the extreme right wing of the Tory party and press jumping up and down demanding gunboats, presumably in order to fulfil the WW2 fetish that dominates their world view - even though they never actually had to live through it.

 

In terms of wanting to remain part of this cesspit, one wonders what the tipping point is for people here.

 

(“Why don’t you bugger off and live elsewh...   Oh.”)

[Mikey1874]

16 hours ago, Cade said:

...........and now they're sending in the Navy to keep the French boats out.

 

Presumably we'll then force them buy these fish at gunpoint too.

 

 

34 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Navy boats ready to patrol UK waters to keep EU fishermen out.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55283489

 

23 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Britannia rules the waves.

 

Brilliant. 

 

Just seen it. Britain, remember lost the Cod Wars, twice. 

[Mikey1874]

Just to add to Ulysses brilliant summary, Ireland recovered both from the financial crisis and it's own, perhaps even worse property crash. So it knows it can recover from No Deal. 

 

And the EU has responded to similar crisis. And what happened to all the predictions of collapse and nations following the UK in leaving? EU has its challenges but looks stronger than ever. 

[redjambo]

3 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Brilliant. 

 

Just seen it. Britain, remember lost the Cod Wars, twice. 

 

As I was reminded most ardently by an older guy who picked me up when I was hitching round Iceland. They don't forget.