Brexit Deal agreed ( updated )

[Pans Jambo]

4 hours ago, Des Lynam said:

Fully agree. If Independence is going to happen then the SNP must tone down the anti English stuff it’s base spews out. They must also distance themselves from some sort of socialist dream for Scotland. 

Anti English?

What pish.

Where is there any anti Englishness from anyone on here?

[Lone Striker]

On 18/11/2020 at 10:29, Malinga the Swinga said:

I am sure Nigel Farage and others will be there shortly to announce plans on how they intend to remedy situation. No one to blame but themselves and find it very hard to find any sympathy for them. 

Well to be fair, the fishing communities - and the rest of us - were told it would be the easiest trade deal in history, so no need to worry.  🙄

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

3 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

Anti English?

What pish.

Where is there any anti Englishness from anyone on here?

 

None so blind

[Pans Jambo]

8 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

 

None so blind

Show me. Point me to anyone's post that has anti English bias or English xenophobia.

 

Bet you wont...or cant.

 

Anti Westminster yes, but if that's you're gripe then you're saying that Westminster is an ENGLISH Parliament and not a BRITISH one which will be very interesting. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

15 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Exactly, hate the English is unionist propaganda. Its Scots traitors who I'd like to see bussed to the Lion's enclosure of Blair drummond after a week's food shortage. 

 

 

[Toxteth O'Grady]

Hearing that a deal should be announced on Friday or Saturday. 

 

The final sticking point is fishing but there might be a fudge to get the overall deal over the line.

 

No reason to doubt the source but anything could happen still. 

[Pans Jambo]

On 19/11/2020 at 23:09, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

 

None so blind

 

On 20/11/2020 at 08:10, Pans Jambo said:

Show me. Point me to anyone's post that has anti English bias or English xenophobia.

 

Bet you wont...or cant.

 

Anti Westminster yes, but if that's you're gripe then you're saying that Westminster is an ENGLISH Parliament and not a BRITISH one which will be very interesting. 

Found any yet? That's 3 and a half days of waiting.

 

Can I assume you are just getting confused and mixed up with a dislike of Westminster and a dislike of English folks?

 

I will buy that.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

27 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

 

Found any yet? That's 3 and a half days of waiting.

 

Can I assume you are just getting confused and mixed up with a dislike of Westminster and a dislike of English folks?

 

I will buy that.

Give over. Aussie’s posts are dripping with anti-English sentiment. Just because he throws in words like Westminster and Tories from time to time doesn’t change what he is.

 

A xenophobe, nothing less.

[manaliveits105]

59 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said:

Hearing that a deal should be announced on Friday or Saturday. 

 

The final sticking point is fishing but there might be a fudge to get the overall deal over the line.

 

No reason to doubt the source but anything could happen still. 

Good news

[jamboy1982]

I hate the English, not individuals but the nation. 

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

13 minutes ago, jamboy1982 said:

I hate the English, not individuals but the nation. 

At least your honest about it.

 

Strange though. Loads of great things about England

[Pans Jambo]

4 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Give over. Aussie’s posts are dripping with anti-English sentiment. Just because he throws in words like Westminster and Tories from time to time doesn’t change what he is.

 

A xenophobe, nothing less.

Was it not “ Pommie Barstewards” he said?

 

I’m letting you off lightly but that’ll be an end of it though.

Edited November 23, 2020 by Pans Jambo

[ri Alban]

10 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Give over. Aussie’s posts are dripping with anti-English sentiment. Just because he throws in words like Westminster and Tories from time to time doesn’t change what he is.

 

A xenophobe, nothing less.

I hate traitors Brits born in Scotland, with a fecking passion. I hope that helps. 

[ri Alban]

10 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Give over. Aussie’s posts are dripping with anti-English sentiment. Just because he throws in words like Westminster and Tories from time to time doesn’t change what he is.

 

A xenophobe, nothing less.

So anyone that hates the SNP, NS and Holyrood is anti Scottish. 

 

👍 Thanks for the clarification. Now I know who to put on the bus. 

[ri Alban]

8 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

At least your honest about it.

 

Strange though. Loads of great things about England

Aye, the bus. 

[King prawn]

3 hours ago, ri Alban said:

I hate traitors Brits born in Scotland, with a fecking passion. I hope that helps. 

 

[King prawn]

3 hours ago, ri Alban said:

I hate traitors Brits born in Scotland, with a fecking passion. I hope that helps. 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

14 hours ago, Toxteth O'Grady said:

Hearing that a deal should be announced on Friday or Saturday. 

 

The final sticking point is fishing but there might be a fudge to get the overall deal over the line.

 

No reason to doubt the source but anything could happen still. 

Thats very interesting and very surprising.

 

Whilst Johnson may come back with some kind of 'deal' he's going to have a hell of a job getting it past an already twitchy Tory party which is chock full of rabid no deal types who will annihilate him from within if he doesn't deliver empire 2.0

[Justin Z]

16 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Give over. Aussie’s posts are dripping with anti-English sentiment. Just because he throws in words like Westminster and Tories from time to time doesn’t change what he is.

 

A xenophobe, nothing less.

 

And he repeatedly silenced Black voices calling out injustice against their communities with "All Lives Matter", while spouting the things you've touched on here. Shan as can be.

 

I'm so glad he and his ilk represent the tiniest minority, and that Indy in general is quite the opposite of this. Nutters aside, the sharp contrast between Indy (the many happy “English for Yes” supporters I met out at marches, for example) and the overwhelming language and attitude around Brexit (xenophobia, as you alluded to) are plain as day.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

14 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

And he repeatedly silenced Black voices calling out injustice against their communities with "All Lives Matter", while spouting the things you've touched on here. Shan as can be.

 

I'm so glad he and his ilk represent the tiniest minority, and that Indy in general is quite the opposite of this. Nutters aside, the sharp contrast between Indy (the many happy “English for Yes” supporters I met out at marches, for example) and the overwhelming language and attitude around Brexit (xenophobia, as you alluded to) are plain as day.

My wife and kids are English and so are a lot of my friends so I find it fairly ****ing offensive tbh.

 

That’s not to suggest most pro-Indy posters on here are the same.

[Justin Z]

4 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

My wife and kids are English and so are a lot of my friends so I find it fairly ****ing offensive tbh.

 

That’s not to suggest most pro-Indy posters on here are the same.

 

As you should, because it's garbage chat.

[Francis Albert]

3 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Thats very interesting and very surprising.

 

Whilst Johnson may come back with some kind of 'deal' he's going to have a hell of a job getting it past an already twitchy Tory party which is chock full of rabid no deal types who will annihilate him from within if he doesn't deliver empire 2.0

He will have no difficulty getting a deal through and the majority of Tory MPs will support it.

 

And there will be nothing surprising about a last minute deal. It is the norm for the EU.

Edited November 24, 2020 by Francis Albert

[Unknown user]

25 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

My wife and kids are English and so are a lot of my friends so I find it fairly ****ing offensive tbh.

 

That’s not to suggest most pro-Indy posters on here are the same.

That's fair enough, take it up with him if you have a problem. But the point was originally raised by someone saying "the SNP must tone down the anti English stuff it’s base spews out"

 

There are dicks attached to every single cause but it's massively unfair to suggest that the SNP base is anti english. Being pro-Scottish and being anti-English are different things, being anti-Westminster and being anti-English are different things, and wanting our country to be free of the union is in no way inherently anti English. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 minutes ago, Smithee said:

That's fair enough, take it up with him if you have a problem. But the point was originally raised by someone saying "the SNP must tone down the anti English stuff it’s base spews out"

 

There are dicks attached to every single cause but it's massively unfair to suggest that the SNP base is anti english. Being pro-Scottish and being anti-English are different things, being anti-Westminster and being anti-English are different things, and wanting our country to be free of the union is in no way inherently anti English. 

[Pans Jambo]

1 hour ago, Smithee said:

That's fair enough, take it up with him if you have a problem. But the point was originally raised by someone saying "the SNP must tone down the anti English stuff it’s base spews out"

 

There are dicks attached to every single cause but it's massively unfair to suggest that the SNP base is anti english. Being pro-Scottish and being anti-English are different things, being anti-Westminster and being anti-English are different things, and wanting our country to be free of the union is in no way inherently anti English. 

💥 BOOM!!!

 

I hope this explains it for the hard of thinking!

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

24 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

💥 BOOM!!!

 

I hope this explains it for the hard of thinking!

It’s not hard of thinking to know that most pro-Indy people are decent.

 

It’s incredibly hard of thinking not to be able to understand the attitude behind Aussie’s posts. But there we are.

[manaliveits105]

EU going for Moderna vaccine instead of the cheaper easier to handle Oxford Zeneca - at least they’re not bitter 

[Konrad von Carstein]

2 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

EU going for Moderna vaccine instead of the cheaper easier to handle Oxford Zeneca - at least they’re not bitter 

Jesus Christ!

[Cade]

EU gives the UK a 48 hour deadline to either put forward a list of compromises or it's all off.

 

[Francis Albert]

19 minutes ago, Cade said:

EU gives the UK a 48 hour deadline to either put forward a list of compromises or it's all off.

 

I thought by definition compromises were a mutual thing.

[Pans Jambo]

47 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

I thought by definition compromises were a mutual thing.

Easiest deal in history apparently... 

[Francis Albert]

7 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Easiest deal in history apparently... 

Not many deals would be made on the basis of one side demanding the other unilaterally  list its "compromises" within 48 hours.

Anyway I think there will be deal but with the EU it was always going to be the eleventh hour or even the traditional stopping of the clock at midnight.

Edited November 25, 2020 by Francis Albert

[Beni]

11 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Not many deals would be made on the basis of one side demanding the other unilaterally  list its "compromises" within 48 hours

 

How dare those nasty foreigners use the exact same tactics that Johnson used last month.

 

Get ready for no deal, Boris Johnson warns: PM tells Brussels it must 'come to us' and compromise if there is to be a free trade agreement on his Brexit 'deadline day

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8846979/Boris-Johnson-reveal-UK-walking-away-EU-trade-talks.html

 

 

Edited November 25, 2020 by fancy a brew

[Francis Albert]

13 minutes ago, fancy a brew said:

 

How dare those nasty foreigners use the exact same tactics that Johnson used last month.

 

Get ready for no deal, Boris Johnson warns: PM tells Brussels it must 'come to us' and compromise if there is to be a free trade agreement on his Brexit 'deadline day

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8846979/Boris-Johnson-reveal-UK-walking-away-EU-trade-talks.html

 

 

That is different. He was saying come to us and compromise. Not tell us your compromises in advance or else a deal is off.

Edited November 25, 2020 by Francis Albert

[Pans Jambo]

28 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Not many deals would be made on the basis of one side demanding the other unilaterally  list its "compromises" within 48 hours.

Anyway I think there will be deal but with the EU it was always going to be the eleventh hour or even the traditional stopping of the clock at midnight.

Bloody Europeans eh? Who do they think they are? They need us more than we need them don't forget!!!

[Unknown user]

2 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Bloody Europeans eh? Who do they think they are? They need us more than we need them don't forget!!!

Britain realises it's getting nowhere and finally compromises at the last minute

 

"See, the EU always do last minute deals!"

[Francis Albert]

3 minutes ago, Smithee said:

Britain realises it's getting nowhere and finally compromises at the last minute

 

"See, the EU always do last minute deals!"

But but we have been told for years that the whole Johnson hard Brexit strategy was a no deal exit.

Unsurprisingly the possibility of a deal sees a change of horses!

 

[Unknown user]

5 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

But but we have been told for years that the whole Johnson hard Brexit strategy was a no deal exit.

Unsurprisingly the possibility of a deal sees a change of horses!

 

Johnson hasn't been in charge for years, but it clearly was.

The fact that a global pandemic has come along and weakened our position and ability to deal with the fallout has also undoubtedly had influence and changed the situation. 

 

But, I mean, duh.

[Beni]

18 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

That is different. He was saying come to us and compromise. Not tell us your compromises in advance or else a deal is off.

 

I understand now, Johnson wanted the EU to keep their compromises a secret, but he was willing to reopen negotiations without knowing the details.

Enjoy dancing on that pinhead.

[Lone Striker]

On 24/11/2020 at 11:18, Smithee said:

That's fair enough, take it up with him if you have a problem. But the point was originally raised by someone saying "the SNP must tone down the anti English stuff it’s base spews out"

 

There are dicks attached to every single cause but it's massively unfair to suggest that the SNP base is anti english. Being pro-Scottish and being anti-English are different things, being anti-Westminster and being anti-English are different things, and wanting our country to be free of the union is in no way inherently anti English. 

Gosh... this is getting quite confusing for simpletons like me.   😪      So if indyef2 results in yes, and we join the EU having left the UK, who will we be pro and who will we be  anti ?    It's probably important to know, just so that no-one  ends up on riAlban's bus by accident.  🙄

[Francis Albert]

17 minutes ago, fancy a brew said:

 

I understand now, Johnson wanted the EU to keep their compromises a secret, but he was willing to reopen negotiations without knowing the details.

Enjoy dancing on that pinhead.

You misunderstood. I wasn't suggesting he wanted the EU to keep its compromises secret. I have no great  ... sorry make that no respect for Johnson's intellect but I think he knows that for one side in a negotiation to reveal its compromises (ie its concessions)  in advance of the other would be stupid and not a route to a deal.

[The Mighty Thor]

Amazingly the next great Tory hope for PM fails to mention in his gloomy economic forecast statement today the self inflicted economic cataclysm that's happening in 5 weeks time. 

 

Sunlit uplands!

[Lone Striker]

On 20/11/2020 at 08:10, Pans Jambo said:

Show me. Point me to anyone's post that has anti English bias or English xenophobia.

 

Bet you wont...or cant.

 

Anti Westminster yes, but if that's you're gripe then you're saying that Westminster is an ENGLISH Parliament and not a BRITISH one which will be very interesting. 

I could be wrong, but devolution basically meant that Westminster acted as both. The English regions couldn't agree how to devolve  "England only" stuff, so it stayed at Westminster.

 

 

[Ulysses]

On 24/11/2020 at 13:38, manaliveits105 said:

EU going for Moderna vaccine instead of the cheaper easier to handle Oxford Zeneca - at least they’re not bitter 

 

The Commission signed an advance supply agreement for the AstraZeneca Oxford vaccine in August.  The deal is for a minimum of 300 million doses, but the delivery could run to 400 million.  That's twice as many doses as the EU has ordered from Moderna.  The EU has also signed deals with CureVac, Johnson & Johnson, Sanofi-GSK and Pfizer-BioNTech (and there may be others I've missed) for up to two billion doses.  The view is that all of these will be needed to ensure a sufficient supply.

 

As you correctly point out, at least they're not bitter.

[Unknown user]

8 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

You misunderstood. I wasn't suggesting he wanted the EU to keep its compromises secret. I have no great  ... sorry make that no respect for Johnson's intellect but I think he knows that for one side in a negotiation to reveal its compromises (ie its concessions)  in advance of the other would be stupid and not a route to a deal.

Which is ironic, because it's about the only thing I do have respect for with Johnson, he's very well read.

[Justin Z]

39 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

The Commission signed an advance supply agreement for the AstraZeneca Oxford vaccine in August.  The deal is for a minimum of 300 million doses, but the delivery could run to 400 million.  That's twice as many doses as the EU has ordered from Moderna.  The EU has also signed deals with CureVac, Johnson & Johnson, Sanofi-GSK and Pfizer-BioNTech (and there may be others I've missed) for up to two billion doses.  The view is that all of these will be needed to ensure a sufficient supply.

 

As you correctly point out, at least they're not bitter.

 

Beautiful dismantling of the usual utter pish.

[Pans Jambo]

1 hour ago, Lone Striker said:

I could be wrong, but devolution basically meant that Westminster acted as both. The English regions couldn't agree how to devolve  "England only" stuff, so it stayed at Westminster.

 

 

Trouble is, its begining to look like an English parliament 100% of the time. They just ignore Scotland and do what they want anyway.

[Francis Albert]

1 hour ago, Smithee said:

Which is ironic, because it's about the only thing I do have respect for with Johnson, he's very well read.

If you measure intellect or even well read by a degree in classics at Oxford ...

He is a buffoon but that doesn't mean the EU is always right.

[Francis Albert]

1 minute ago, Pans Jambo said:

Trouble is, its begining to look like an English parliament 100% of the time. They just ignore Scotland and do what they want anyway.

There are actually quote a lot of tensions between Westminster and English regions. The latter have a lot less power than Scotland.

[Unknown user]

4 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

If you measure intellect or even well read by a degree in classics at Oxford ...

He is a buffoon but that doesn't mean the EU is always right.

If someone's well read we call them an intellectual, he's certainly that. He's also an elitist prick and a fool of course, no one's arguing with that.

 

No one's said the EU's always right.