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Cade

USA says no chance of trade deal if we breach GFA.

They're the guarantors of the deal, don't forget.

 

Boris has painted himself into a corner.

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The Real Maroonblood
4 minutes ago, Cade said:

USA says no chance of trade deal if we breach GFA.

They're the guarantors of the deal, don't forget.

 

Boris has painted himself into a corner.

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SE16 3LN
1 hour ago, Pans Jambo said:

Ahh 😂. That auld shite excuse as if its one union versus another!
What ‘rules’ does Brussels set that you are looking forward to NOT obeying after Brexit then???

Come on, we were here a few weeks ago.. You've asked the question, you've been given the answer and you just don't like it. Whether you are for or against the EU, Brussels sets a lot of rules otherwise this thread would be pointless and we wouldn't be calling Boris a law breaking *****.

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Pans Jambo
1 hour ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

I've never went cap in hand to the government for benefits nor would consider myself poor.

Can you tell me exactly how I would be better off?

Spoken like a true tory. I’m alright jack!

socialise the debts and the piss poor salaries but privatise the profits and the tax cuts.

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Pans Jambo
5 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

Come on, we were here a few weeks ago.. You've asked the question, you've been given the answer and you just don't like it. Whether you are for or against the EU, Brussels sets a lot of rules otherwise this thread would be pointless and we wouldn't be calling Boris a law breaking *****.

Well lets go round again. 
 

WHAT LAWS ARE YOU LOOKING FORWARD TO NOT OBEYING ONCE WE LEAVE THE EU???

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SE16 3LN
12 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Well lets go round again. 
 

WHAT LAWS ARE YOU LOOKING FORWARD TO NOT OBEYING ONCE WE LEAVE THE EU???

I'd rather bang nails in my head than go round again mate and stop shouting.

 

The EU rule deniers are worse than the Flag shagging nationalists in my opinion. You can't pass a law in an EU member state without consideration of EU Law. That's a lot of law. 

 

PS you can easily check our previous discussion by looking at your notifications.

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Pans Jambo
11 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

I'd rather bang nails in my head than go round again mate and stop shouting.

 

The EU rule deniers are worse than the Flag shagging nationalists in my opinion. You can't pass a law in an EU member state without consideration of EU Law. That's a lot of law. 

 

PS you can easily check our previous discussion by looking at your notifications.

None then. 
EDIT: I just checked. No named laws last time round either. Your argument is full of piss n wind. Name the laws or dont but dont pretend this is old ground.

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SE16 3LN
2 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

None then. 

I refer you to my previous answer and I'm not "looking forward" to any of them, but they exist.

 

Anything to do with food and fishing, Immigration and Trade to the EU.

 

and as I refreshed my memory I noticed the reason for your amnesia. You need to try and remember what you said to people before you go in swinging.

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Ainsley Harriott
57 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Spoken like a true tory. I’m alright jack!

socialise the debts and the piss poor salaries but privatise the profits and the tax cuts.

It's people like you who would make me dread an independent scotland. Let's all work 70 hours a week to subsidise the scummy stay home mummy's. 

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Pans Jambo
39 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

I refer you to my previous answer and I'm not "looking forward" to any of them, but they exist.

 

Anything to do with food and fishing, Immigration and Trade to the EU.

 

and as I refreshed my memory I noticed the reason for your amnesia. You need to try and remember what you said to people before you go in swinging.

So none then other than "LETS TAKE BACK CONTROL" and such like...

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Pans Jambo
29 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

It's people like you who would make me dread an independent scotland. Let's all work 70 hours a week to subsidise the scummy stay home mummy's. 

No, we dont need to work 70 hours. We just need the proper wages and decent jobs.

 

Not fat cats on several hundreds of thousands of pounds salaries and paying the folk at the bottom a pittance whilst they swan about in Bentleys.

 

Why are mothers who stay at home "scummy". My mother stayed at home and raised me and my 2 sisters. My father worked a fairly ordinary job but somehow managed to also own a car, feed and clothe us and take us on a summer holiday every year. Funny how salaries could do that back in th eday eh? Now, 1 man supporting a family would need to earn well over £60K to pay a mortgage, run a car and look after 3 kids.

 

Where did all the money go to pay folk I wonder?

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jambo89
11 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

So none then other than "LETS TAKE BACK CONTROL" and such like...

I've mentioned this before but here's 2 of the ruling by the ECJ that were predicated on EU law:-

 

The ITWF union vs Viking Line

 

Laval un partneri vs Svenska Byggnadsarbetareforbund 

 

Let's take back control indeed.

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Ainsley Harriott
1 hour ago, Pans Jambo said:

No, we dont need to work 70 hours. We just need the proper wages and decent jobs.

 

Not fat cats on several hundreds of thousands of pounds salaries and paying the folk at the bottom a pittance whilst they swan about in Bentleys.

 

Why are mothers who stay at home "scummy". My mother stayed at home and raised me and my 2 sisters. My father worked a fairly ordinary job but somehow managed to also own a car, feed and clothe us and take us on a summer holiday every year. Funny how salaries could do that back in th eday eh? Now, 1 man supporting a family would need to earn well over £60K to pay a mortgage, run a car and look after 3 kids.

 

Where did all the money go to pay folk I wonder?

Maybe Nicola sturgeon misplaced it along with the 250million she forgot to give out to support businesses through covid.

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Pans Jambo
18 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

Maybe Nicola sturgeon misplaced it along with the 250million she forgot to give out to support businesses through covid.

Lets not play "where has all the money went". You will lose, and lose badly!

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Ainsley Harriott
16 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Lets not play "where has all the money went". You will lose, and lose badly!

😂

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Smithee
2 hours ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

It's people like you who would make me dread an independent scotland. Let's all work 70 hours a week to subsidise the scummy stay home mummy's. 

 

Yep, you're a tory alright

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The Real Maroonblood
9 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Yep, you're a tory alright

:laugh:

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Ainsley Harriott
17 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Yep, you're a tory alright

No shit sherlock 

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ri Alban

Tories are filth! 

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Dawnrazor
24 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Tories are filth! 

Cheers!

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Governor Tarkin

We need more tories imo.

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Justin Z
5 hours ago, SE16 3LN said:

I'd rather bang nails in my head than go round again mate and stop shouting.

 

The EU rule deniers are worse than the Flag shagging nationalists in my opinion. You can't pass a law in an EU member state without consideration of EU Law. That's a lot of law. 

 

PS you can easily check our previous discussion by looking at your notifications.

 

And as touched upon dozens of times, EU Law will have influence over such lawmaking a far lesser percentage of the time than the 100% of the time that Westminster can choose to have a say over what the Scottish Government does, because Westminster has absolute parliamentary sovereignty.

 

Devolved matters are devolved at Westminster's pleasure, and devolution can be revoked anytime because laws—even laws devolving power—can't bind future parliaments, in accordance with the UK constitutional order.

 

The percentage of powers devolved is tiny as well. Westminster still maintains day-to-day legal control over 80-90% of decisions.

 

There is zero rational comparison between these two things, and treating them as if they are equivalent is simply not an honest argument.

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Pans Jambo
1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said:

We need more tories imo.

If you deliberately kill people, youre a murderer!

 

If you are sexually attracted to children, youre a paedophile!

 

If you endorse or support tories, youre a Cant!!!

Edited by Pans Jambo

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Governor Tarkin
1 minute ago, Pans Jambo said:

If you deliberately kill people, youre a murderer!

 

If you are sexually attracted to children, youre a paedophile!

 

If you endorse or support tories, youre a Cant!!!

 

Mate? :(

 

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Dawnrazor
3 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

If you deliberately kill people, youre a murderer!

 

If you are sexually attracted to children, youre a paedophile!

 

If you endorse or support tories, youre a Cant!!!

Ffs😅

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Pans Jambo
Just now, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Mate? :(

 

😂sorry. Feckin HATE tories. 
 

Lizard b’stards the lot of them (IMO of course).

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Cade

Boris makes concessions to the Tory rebels, meaning a commons vote will have to be taken in order to invoke the powers in the act.

 

But many still believe that just passing the act and giving parliament the option of breaking international law is itself breaking international law.

 

 

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The Mighty Thor
1 hour ago, Cade said:

Boris makes concessions to the Tory rebels, meaning a commons vote will have to be taken in order to invoke the powers in the act.

 

But many still believe that just passing the act and giving parliament the option of breaking international law is itself breaking international law.

 

 

All this diversionary shenanigans is irrelevant. 

The clock is ticking away, there will be no deal and no amount of Cummings driven Tory whataboutery is going to mitigate the fact that it will be a wholly self created shitshow. 

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SwindonJambo
1 hour ago, Pans Jambo said:

If you deliberately kill people, youre a murderer!

 

If you are sexually attracted to children, youre a paedophile!

 

If you endorse or support tories, youre a Cant!!!

 

The 1st is a serious crime and carries a lengthy prison sentence, often life.

 

The 2nd is a crime for those inclined who act upon their inclinations. If they manage to suppress and do not, it isn’t a crime. A small percentage of people are born that way, can’t help it and have to deal with it. I heard a bloke talking on the radio a few years ago who admitted to being attracted to children and hated himself for it. He said he had never and would never act on it. 

 

The last ? I’ve never voted Conservative and never will. But a crime it certainly isn’t. Where I live, they get over half the vote. Most people are pleasant here, like everywhere. All over the World, people tend to vote for whoever they believe will make them better off. No point in getting into a tizzy over it. I just quietly vote differently. If I was to get abusive and angry at people who vote Conservative, they would just think I’m an idiot and ignore  me. No doubt a few of my work colleagues vote for them and I get on fine with them.

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Pans Jambo
1 hour ago, SwindonJambo said:

 

The 1st is a serious crime and carries a lengthy prison sentence, often life.

 

The 2nd is a crime for those inclined who act upon their inclinations. If they manage to suppress and do not, it isn’t a crime. A small percentage of people are born that way, can’t help it and have to deal with it. I heard a bloke talking on the radio a few years ago who admitted to being attracted to children and hated himself for it. He said he had never and would never act on it. 

 

The last ? I’ve never voted Conservative and never will. But a crime it certainly isn’t. Where I live, they get over half the vote. Most people are pleasant here, like everywhere. All over the World, people tend to vote for whoever they believe will make them better off. No point in getting into a tizzy over it. I just quietly vote differently. If I was to get abusive and angry at people who vote Conservative, they would just think I’m an idiot and ignore  me. No doubt a few of my work colleagues vote for them and I get on fine with them.

Murderers, nonces and cants. No need to explain. 

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ri Alban
10 hours ago, Dawnrazor said:

Cheers!

The ruling Tories. Those who vote for them, especially of Scots decent, well... They're just a bit...

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Dawnrazor
2 hours ago, ri Alban said:

The ruling Tories. Those who vote for them, especially of Scots decent, well... They're just a bit...

😅👍

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JT1959

Ian Duncan-Smith tells Joe Biden to sort out the rioting in US as opposed to sticking his oar in on Brexit. Does IDS know who the President is?

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Costanza
1 hour ago, JT1959 said:

Ian Duncan-Smith tells Joe Biden to sort out the rioting in US as opposed to sticking his oar in on Brexit. Does IDS know who the President is?

The Quiet Man should shut the **** up.

 

 

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The Mighty Thor
1 hour ago, JT1959 said:

Ian Duncan-Smith tells Joe Biden to sort out the rioting in US as opposed to sticking his oar in on Brexit. Does IDS know who the President is?

IBS is a blowhard. 

Not really sure what that utter irrelevance of a human being is doing over there anyway. 

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ri Alban

A wee piece of what you try to feed us who want an independent Scotland. Experts have concluded a no deal brexit will hit the economy of the UK, 3x harder than the Coronavirus has. 

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The Mighty Thor

I read Gove admitted yesterday that a reasonable worst case scenario for cross channel goods movement is a queue of around 7000 HGVs in Kent or delays of 2-3 days.

Apparently the seamless unicorn/moonbeams customs software programme won't be ready (it doesn't exist)

 

Project.

Fear.

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Costanza
29 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I read Gove admitted yesterday that a reasonable worst case scenario for cross channel goods movement is a queue of around 7000 HGVs in Kent or delays of 2-3 days.

Apparently the seamless unicorn/moonbeams customs software programme won't be ready (it doesn't exist)

 

Project.

Fear.

Yup more details here.

 

Some of us have been banging on about this for a couple of years (well citing the road haulage industry) and denounced as Remoaners and yes, promoting Project Fear.

 

Incredible that a Government dealing with a pandemic, would seriously consider subjecting the public to this and wouldn't have had the humility to delay the end of the transition period until we are through the worst of the pandemic.

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The Mighty Thor

Gove updating parliament about where they are/aren't with the Brexit 'deal'

 

Basically just a rehash of the fireside favourites of the last 4 years. Lots of jam tomorrow promises for farming and fisheries and the other dafties that voted for it. 

 

100 days to go. 

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The Mighty Thor
8 hours ago, Costanza said:

Yup more details here.

 

Some of us have been banging on about this for a couple of years (well citing the road haulage industry) and denounced as Remoaners and yes, promoting Project Fear.

 

Incredible that a Government dealing with a pandemic, would seriously consider subjecting the public to this and wouldn't have had the humility to delay the end of the transition period until we are through the worst of the pandemic.

Gove has slid in a wee announcement after his statement that HGV drivers will need to have a KAP - Kent Access Permit and have the correct Brexit paperwork to even enter the county. This  internal border will be enforced by Police and ANPR cameras.

 

As a Scottish Nationalist I'm fecking raging that Kent has achieved secession from the UK and they've not even been asking for it 😂

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Smithee
9 hours ago, Costanza said:

Yup more details here.

 

Some of us have been banging on about this for a couple of years (well citing the road haulage industry) and denounced as Remoaners and yes, promoting Project Fear.

 

Incredible that a Government dealing with a pandemic, would seriously consider subjecting the public to this and wouldn't have had the humility to delay the end of the transition period until we are through the worst of the pandemic.

 

I got quite frustrated with that shit. Admin staff, forms, lorry parks, paint on the road, road signs, traffic measurements, putting together a system and sharing it with everyone who leaves and enters, creating and debugging software to be used on a large scale. These are serious logistical challenges that needed to be taken seriously much earlier on in the process.

 

The government have already cluster****ed this and we're not even there yet.

 

But apparently pointing out there's a giant iceberg headed this way is Project Fear. Still, the EU apparently always bend at the last minute so we'll get our way, right? I mean, they need us more than we need them, right?

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Barack

Ah, to be a fly on the wall of Farage's wine cellar right now.

 

 

:pleasing:

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Costanza
2 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Gove has slid in a wee announcement after his statement that HGV drivers will need to have a KAP - Kent Access Permit and have the correct Brexit paperwork to even enter the county. This  internal border will be enforced by Police and ANPR cameras.

 

As a Scottish Nationalist I'm fecking raging that Kent has achieved secession from the UK and they've not even been asking for it 😂

Ha yeah, lucky old Kent.

England's (Independent) Garden.

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Costanza
1 hour ago, Smithee said:

 

I got quite frustrated with that shit. Admin staff, forms, lorry parks, paint on the road, road signs, traffic measurements, putting together a system and sharing it with everyone who leaves and enters, creating and debugging software to be used on a large scale. These are serious logistical challenges that needed to be taken seriously much earlier on in the process.

 

The government have already cluster****ed this and we're not even there yet.

 

But apparently pointing out there's a giant iceberg headed this way is Project Fear. Still, the EU apparently always bend at the last minute so we'll get our way, right? I mean, they need us more than we need them, right?

I had arguments with my old man on this, sending him videos over a year ago on the road haulage industries concerns.

Not going to be particularly to be proved right if this happens.

Still find it hard to believe a Government would seriously consider this, but the strategy appears to be to blame everyone else for not being prepared!

 

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The Mighty Thor
3 hours ago, Costanza said:

 

Still find it hard to believe a Government would seriously consider this, but the strategy appears to be to blame everyone else for not being prepared!

 

Yip, this is the new narrative.

We told you. You did nothing. You've had 4 years to prepare. Its not our fault. 

 

Then of course, the cherry on this particular shit show, its what you voted for. 👍

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ri Alban

I feel sorry for England, stuck with the likes Boris, Gove and Rees Mogg, opposed by Keir and thingymabob for the rest of eternity. 

Can wait  for Scotland to be reset and fully modernised across the board. 

I don't mind either way, if we are part of the EU, or not. Free trade and movement and closer ties to the Nordic pact will do me. 

Fishermen will not be calling any shots either. 

Edited by ri Alban

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Mikey1874
16 hours ago, Smithee said:

 

I got quite frustrated with that shit. Admin staff, forms, lorry parks, paint on the road, road signs, traffic measurements, putting together a system and sharing it with everyone who leaves and enters, creating and debugging software to be used on a large scale. These are serious logistical challenges that needed to be taken seriously much earlier on in the process.

 

The government have already cluster****ed this and we're not even there yet.

 

But apparently pointing out there's a giant iceberg headed this way is Project Fear. Still, the EU apparently always bend at the last minute so we'll get our way, right? I mean, they need us more than we need them, right?

 

Bloomberg says its

 

- the new IT system - Smart Freight - hauliers must use which is still being developed and may not be ready for January 1

- another surveillance IT system GVMS 

- a shortage of EU compliant wooden pallets 

- shortage of vets to do health checks on animals

- issues around rules of origin

- businesses aren't ready, as busy with Coronavirus 

- a Data Adequacy Agreement for businesses that share data with EU

- the extra paperwork for N.Ireland 

 

Stock up on food I think

 

 

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Cade

Sir Jim Ratcliffe, formerly Britain's richest man and hard Brexit supporter, quits the UK and moves to Monaco to avoid taxes.

 

:gfy:

Follows in the footsteps of James Dyson, who fecked off to Singapore and took all his factories with him.

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The Mighty Thor
36 minutes ago, Cade said:

Sir Jim Ratcliffe, formerly Britain's richest man and hard Brexit supporter, quits the UK and moves to Monaco to avoid taxes.

 

:gfy:

Follows in the footsteps of James Dyson, who fecked off to Singapore and took all his factories with him.

He's clearly not Britain's stupidest man. 

Getting his dough to a safe place before the shitshow starts on 1st Jan. 

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