Don Dan Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 hour ago, AlimOzturk said: Yes they can. Vote through legislation which states that the UK cannot leave the EU without a deal and if no deal can be reached we remain in the EU until we can. only if the EU agree which is not guaranteed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said: only if the EU agree which is not guaranteed Would that mean we have been kicked out of Europe rather than left? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 In an accusation often levelled at the SNP...who's getting on with the day-to-day business of governing the country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 20 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said: only if the EU agree which is not guaranteed Pretty certain we can legally retract article 50 at any point and the EU can do nothing about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 36 minutes ago, Boof said: In an accusation often levelled at the SNP...who's getting on with the day-to-day business of governing the country? The multi-national corporations that own the place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 29 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: Pretty certain we can legally retract article 50 at any point and the EU can do nothing about it. And we can re-invoke it again immediately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 37 minutes ago, graygo said: Would that mean we have been kicked out of Europe rather than left? I would say so. We have a list of amendments that is passed by Westminster may well not be acceptable to the EU. In that case its punt back here and we either accept it or reject it. It’s a merry go round and no one can get off it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 31 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: Pretty certain we can legally retract article 50 at any point and the EU can do nothing about it. That’s what I want. The EU have said openly they want you to stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 26 minutes ago, Cade said: The multi-national corporations that own the place? Probably dispiritingly too near the truth to be chuckleworthy. 😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 If you can keep a sense of humour it will be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Why is a GE relevant to Brexit, but Irrelevant for Independence. Tory Majority No deal, SNP majority no Indyref2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 On 23/10/2019 at 11:37, RobboM said: Respect the 17.4 m who actually voted for precisely this! And the 50m that didn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo, Goodbye Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 17 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Why is a GE relevant to Brexit, but Irrelevant for Independence. Tory Majority No deal, SNP majority no Indyref2? Because a Tory majority qualifies as a UK majority. An SNP majority only qualifies as a scottish majority. Scotland is just an insignificant region of the UK dontcha know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Jambo, Goodbye said: Because a Tory majority qualifies as a UK majority. An SNP majority only qualifies as a scottish majority. Scotland is just an insignificant region of the UK dontcha know I suppose that, in fact, the Pen(cil) is not mightier than the sword and Independence is, in fact, claimed and not given. Edited October 26, 2019 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 An arch brexiteer MP was interviewed this week and wanted to hold off a GE, Extend time for reading of Bills first. Because a GE would be a one policy event and all other policies in manifestos ignored. But didn't give other reasoning. Why? Polls last time didn't equate to final result? Brexit Party gains? Brexit Party concessions required for coalition that even the Tories couldn't stomach? Ridicule of coalition with DUP, and the Brexit Party considered even more off the scale? Loss of DUP coalition and all 13 Scottish Tory seats? Coalition LAB, LD, SNP govt and another indy ref that will be closer than last time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, DETTY29 said: An arch brexiteer MP was interviewed this week and wanted to hold off a GE, Extend time for reading of Bills first. Because a GE would be a one policy event and all other policies in manifestos ignored. But didn't give other reasoning. Why? Polls last time didn't equate to final result? Brexit Party gains? Brexit Party concessions required for coalition that even the Tories couldn't stomach? Ridicule of coalition with DUP, and the Brexit Party considered even more off the scale? Loss of DUP coalition and all 13 Scottish Tory seats? Coalition LAB, LD, SNP govt and another indy ref that will be closer than last time. I think the Tories and SNP will wipe the floor with all comers, if no deal was the defining point of a GE. Whereas/Whereby/Wherein no Indyref could be refused by said Tory landslide. Edited October 26, 2019 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: I think the Tories and SNP will wipe the floor with all comers, if no deal was the defining point of a GE. Whereas/Whereby/Wherein no Indyref could be refused by said Tory landslide. The SNP will get the most seats up here but not convinced they will increase their current total. People will vote tactically to keep the SNP out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 3 hours ago, ri Alban said: And the 50m that didn't? I was raised by parents who grew up in the 2nd World War and have always had it drilled into me how important it is to exercise our vote because of the sacrifices made for the country so we have our freedoms. Anyone who chooses not to vote loses the right to complain if they don't like the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, frankblack said: The SNP will get the most seats up here but not convinced they will increase their current total. People will vote tactically to keep the SNP out. They will obliterate the tories in Scotland. All but 1-2 seats will go to he SNP. Willing to put a wager on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Just now, AlimOzturk said: They will obliterate the tories in Scotland. All but 1-2 seats will go to he SNP. Willing to put a wager on that We will see. But you are overlooking the Lib Dems and the No vote plus the strong dislike of the SNP in Scotland. In effect you will see a campaign fought on Independence and first past the post voting means tactical voting will be key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 3 hours ago, ri Alban said: I think the Tories and SNP will wipe the floor with all comers, if no deal was the defining point of a GE. Whereas/Whereby/Wherein no Indyref could be refused by said Tory landslide. Brexit Party will take a lot of votes mainly affecting the Tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Kezia Dugdale told Laboir voters to vote Tory to keep SNP out. It was a disastrous policy for Scittish Labour and Labour Not surprisingly, the Scottish Tory have done sweet fa, apart from claiming significantly more in expenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Brexit Party will take a lot of votes mainly affecting the Tories. Not if the Tories promise to overturn the Benn act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 5 hours ago, frankblack said: I was raised by parents who grew up in the 2nd World War and have always had it drilled into me how important it is to exercise our vote because of the sacrifices made for the country so we have our freedoms. Anyone who chooses not to vote loses the right to complain if they don't like the outcome. I do agree, but there are millions unable to vote yet and ones who can't. It's 52% of the electorate who voted. It's not the will of the people. It's 25% of the population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, ri Alban said: I do agree, but there are millions unable to vote yet and ones who can't. It's 52% of the electorate who voted. It's not the will of the people. It's 25% of the population. You snooze you lose. Postal voting is available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: Not if the Tories promise to overturn the Benn act. It's more likely Boris Johnson will have lost his aura. Versus Farage he is a pygmy. In terms of a new Prime Minister he has already lost a lot of the honeymoon popularity. Someone on news said he has had the worst reaction in terms of quickly losing popularity for a new PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 17 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: It's more likely Boris Johnson will have lost his aura. Versus Farage he is a pygmy. In terms of a new Prime Minister he has already lost a lot of the honeymoon popularity. Someone on news said he has had the worst reaction in terms of quickly losing popularity for a new PM. Latest Poll CON: 40% LAB: 24% LDEM: 15% BREX: 10% Boris sure has lost it, it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montgomery Brewster Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 8 hours ago, frankblack said: plus the strong dislike of the SNP in Scotland. In your head maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 26 minutes ago, Montgomery Brewster said: In your head maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montgomery Brewster Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Honestly some folk really need to put the Daily Mail or Express back on the shelf when selecting their daily reading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 49 minutes ago, Montgomery Brewster said: Honestly some folk really need to put the Daily Mail or Express back on the shelf when selecting their daily reading They are self loathing Scots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) In other news (I've just noticed) Edited October 26, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: They are self loathing Scots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 1 hour ago, The Real Maroonblood said: They are self loathing Scots. Usual description from the cultists. The same group of 6 or 7 posters will blindly defend the SNP regardless of how incompetent their record is. A Tory majority government implementing Brexit kills Indy. Can't wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 3 hours ago, Trapper John McIntyre said: Latest Poll CON: 40% LAB: 24% LDEM: 15% BREX: 10% Boris sure has lost it, it seems. How does this translate into numbers of MPs though ? Polls like this are indicative of public feeling but the First Past the Post system does skew straight poll numbers significantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 3 hours ago, frankblack said: A Tory majority government implementing Brexit kills Indy. Can't wait. I'll say it again. This is as crazy a point of view as I've ever seen on here. Never mind that if you want this, you're the exact opposite of a British patriot, because you clearly want everyone in Britain to suffer horrendously forever. There is something which might well devastate the SNP though. It has nothing to do with Brexit, but is likely to emerge over the next few months. I'll say no more than that. Watch this space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Zlatanable said: You say 'self loathing Scots' like it is a bad thing. We Scots are mainly cruel, selfish, self-serving, intolerant, unforgiving, pompous, vainglorious, unrealistic and unthankful. Enough about you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 hour ago, shaun.lawson said: I'll say it again. This is as crazy a point of view as I've ever seen on here. Never mind that if you want this, you're the exact opposite of a British patriot, because you clearly want everyone in Britain to suffer horrendously forever. There is something which might well devastate the SNP though. It has nothing to do with Brexit, but is likely to emerge over the next few months. I'll say no more than that. Watch this space. He voted yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 21 hours ago, frankblack said: I was raised by parents who grew up in the 2nd World War and have always had it drilled into me how important it is to exercise our vote because of the sacrifices made for the country so we have our freedoms. Anyone who chooses not to vote loses the right to complain if they don't like the outcome. Only if an outcome they liked was an option on the ballot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montgomery Brewster Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 7 hours ago, shaun.lawson said: I'll say it again. This is as crazy a point of view as I've ever seen on here. Never mind that if you want this, you're the exact opposite of a British patriot, because you clearly want everyone in Britain to suffer horrendously forever. There is something which might well devastate the SNP though. It has nothing to do with Brexit, but is likely to emerge over the next few months. I'll say no more than that. Watch this space. This will be the full home rule proposal from Boris and co. And yes I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 15 hours ago, frankblack said: Usual description from the cultists. The same group of 6 or 7 posters will blindly defend the SNP regardless of how incompetent their record is. A Tory majority government implementing Brexit kills Indy. Can't wait. You cant wait for the tories to completely kill off anyone who’s ill, unemployed or old? Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Huh. I thought austerity was necessary because there's no money for anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, Justin Z said: Huh. I thought austerity was necessary because there's no money for anything. You have to wonder what kind of idiot made that risky gamble on an uncertain date? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 4 hours ago, Montgomery Brewster said: This will be the full home rule proposal from Boris and co. And yes I agree. Is there any court cases coming up in the new year? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, Justin Z said: Huh. I thought austerity was necessary because there's no money for anything. So it costs £1.15 for each 50p? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 On 26/10/2019 at 00:11, Mikey1874 said: If you can keep a sense of humour it will be fine Sure it was a good idea at the time 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, frankblack said: You have to wonder what kind of idiot made that risky gamble on an uncertain date? True. Although--idiocy, or just sheer, unbridled arrogance? 12 minutes ago, RobboM said: So it costs £1.15 for each 50p? Doubt that, it's probably penalties in the contract. Then again, 50ps are 75% copper, so I guess anything's possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 I think the plan to force the Bill to leave the EU and approve the Deal to be debated has a chance of happening. This involves a vote to take over Parliament business again probably tomorrow. It will end the prospect of an immediate election pushing that back to more sensible March 2020. An then EU can agree a sensible extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: I think the plan to force the Bill to leave the EU and approve the Deal to be debated has a chance of happening. This involves a vote to take over Parliament business again probably tomorrow. It will end the prospect of an immediate election pushing that back to more sensible March 2020. An then EU can agree a sensible extension. Tories have realised Farage could feck them up. SNP to wipe them out in Scotland, Libdems to wipe them out in remain constituencies and London. Not so confident after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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