Brexit Deal agreed ( updated )

[Cade]

Morons think that leaving with No Deal is something that's easy and means that's the end of it all forever.

 

They forget that we will eventually need to make A Deal with the EU at some point in the very immediate future.

Then the Irish Border, EU citizen's rights and every other red line stumbling block simply happens all over again.

Meanwhile, the economy is in the shitter as crushing WTO rates destroy the place.

[DETTY29]

2 hours ago, Notts1874 said:

Man arrested trying to break into Jess Phillip's parliamentary office calling her a facist....

Our whole society is based on irony.

[Footballfirst]

More from Johnson's sister. BJ's friends investing in hedge funds shorting the pound?

 

 

[jamboy1982]

12 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

More from Johnson's sister. BJ's friends investing in hedge funds shorting the pound?

 

 

Wow! If that came from a random nobody it wouldn’t be much but from his own sister!!! 

[DETTY29]

15 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

More from Johnson's sister. BJ's friends investing in hedge funds shorting the pound?

 

 

Thanks FF but least surprising news of the day....

Edited September 26, 2019 by DETTY29

[Cade]

Karl Turner MP to Dominic Cummings:

"The PM's language was unacceptable last night and he is whipping up hatred, causing MPs to get more death threats overnight (including myself)."

 

Cummings' reply?

"Well vote for a deal then"

 

 

[Riccarton3]

The Speaker only today speaks about the atmosphere last night in Parliament. After the horse has bolted. He seemed to let a lot go. Pretty pointless criticizing  it now. Last night it was just calls of order from him

 

Anyway, felt the focus of the opposition to use precious time last night to go over and over the Supreme Court ruling was frustrating.

 

Focus should be the implications of No Deal as a response to the surrender jibes. Instead last night was a comfortable night for Johnson

 

 

Edited September 26, 2019 by Riccarton3

[Costanza]

1 hour ago, Footballfirst said:

More from Johnson's sister. BJ's friends investing in hedge funds shorting the pound?

 

 

This is just a random conspiracy theory from me but I thought the Jennifer Acuri story was a shot across the bows of Johnson from the people who want him to get no deal done by the end of October. 

Making money from currency movements as a result of Brexit is not new. Just look at this from the night of the referendum. Anybody who thinks Leaving the EU is a sovereignty issue for these people is deluding themselves 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/25/nigel-farage-denies-shorting-value-of-sterling-on-night-of-brexit-vote

 

As for the Surrender rhetoric being used. It has all been focus group researched and plays into the second world war obsession that is still prevalent in this country. 'We didn't surrender in 1944 and we won't surrender now".

 

[Footballfirst]

More legal machinations to come?

 

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn

Sir John Major has found a way around the Benn Act (an Order of Council from Privy Councillors) which he suspects Boris Johnson will use use to leave the EU on October 31 without a deal. His speech tonight:

I know that there are already legal steps being taken at the Court of Session for the Court to sign a letter requesting an extension if BJ refuses to seek one in the event of a deal not being agreed by 19 October as per the Benn Act. That may be a defensive position for the remainers should the government seek to act as above.

Edited September 26, 2019 by Footballfirst

[Victorian]

That's where we are in politics,   mostly due to the Tories' irresponsible trajectory.

 

How to become popular and make the opposition less popular?      Strive for economic and social policies that improve the prosperity and lives of the public?     Demonstrate why the opposition's policies will not be as effective or productive?     No.      We'll just find a handful of key words to repeat a thousand times to make the public dislike,  loathe,  mistrust,  hate the opposition to the max.      

 

Political messaging is now mainly aimed at the section of society that tends to have, at best,  a passing interest,   or very little interest in the finer details of politics.     

[pharmaceutical01]

6 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

Oops

 

Parliament NOT stopping (recess) for the Conservative Party Conference..

 

Voted down.

What are the chances he might prorogue  parliament for the Tory conference?

[Mikey1874]

1 hour ago, Riccarton3 said:

The Speaker only today speaks about the atmosphere last night in Parliament. After the horse has bolted. He seemed to let a lot go. Pretty pointless criticizing  it now. Last night it was just calls of order from him

 

Anyway, felt the focus of the opposition to use precious time last night to go over and over the Supreme Court ruling was frustrating.

 

Focus should be the implications of No Deal as a response to the surrender jibes. Instead last night was a comfortable night for Johnson

 

 

 

They debated that for 2 hours earlier in the day. 

[Mikey1874]

18 minutes ago, pharmaceutical01 said:

What are the chances he might prorogue  parliament for the Tory conference?

 

Too late. 

 

House of Commons not back till Monday now. 

 

What they have done is scheduled non controversial business next week that a few junior ministers can deal with. 

 

The question is about Prime Ministers Questions which is around time BoJo is due to do speech at Conference though I suspect someone else like Rees Mogg will cover this. 

 

And whether Opposition table motions to take over business or something else awkward. 

Edited September 26, 2019 by Mikey1874

[pharmaceutical01]

1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Too late. 

 

House of Commons not back till Monday now. 

 

What they have done is scheduled non controversial business next week that a few junior ministers can deal with. 

 

The question is about Prime Ministers Questions which is around time BoJo is due to do speech at Conference though I suspect someone else like Rees Mogg will cover this. 

 

And whether Opposition table motions to take over business or something else aukward. 

Thanks, Mikey. Have missed most of the machinations today 

[Mikey1874]

 

[Mikey1874]

More on this wheeze to force leaving on 31 October 

 

 

Edited September 26, 2019 by Mikey1874

[XB52]

12 hours ago, Smithee said:

 

The UK's a country mate, centuries old sovereign states are countries. 

 

Scotland's also a country, for different reasons though, there's more than one definition of what a country is.

 

The UK definitely is a country though.

The UK has never been a country. 

[gjcc]

8 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

More on this wheeze to force leaving on 31 October 

 

 

 

Bonkers, but I can see him attempting that. 

[XB52]

Must admit I don't know what I want. The more the UK parliament dissolves into a shit show I despair for the people of the UK but know it brings our independence nearer

[Mikey1874]

This is one of the people, a lawyer involved in the Supreme Court case

 

 

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, XB52 said:

The UK has never been a country. 

 

Sovereign states are regarded as countries.

 

USSR was a country, Yugoslavia was a country, Czechoslovakia was a country.

 

 

I'm sure we'd all agree Germany's a country, yet it's a union formed 164 years after ours when the Germanic states (except Austria) got together to create the German empire. 

[Mikey1874]

15 minutes ago, gjcc said:

 

Bonkers, but I can see him attempting that. 

 

They’ll lose. Back in Supreme Court. 

 

And they could even create a Corbyn Government by pushing a split vote with the Brexit Party. 

 

Absolute madness.. 

[Dirty Deeds]

10 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

They’ll lose. Back in Supreme Court. 

 

And they could even create a Corbyn Government by pushing a split vote with the Brexit Party. 

 

Absolute madness.. 

Time for a Vote of Confidence 

 

The coalition has to stick someone else in, even Corbyn.  

 

Get the delay, then do the election.

 

Can't leave Boris in there any longer. 

[Victorian]

Using the bogus pretext of an impending civil emergency in order to cause the event that would create an actual civil emergency,   whilst being entirely in control of all events that can prevent any civil emergency from taking place.

 

Bang to rights malfeasance.    A prison cell or two awaits.

[Boris]

11 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

They’ll lose. Back in Supreme Court. 

 

And they could even create a Corbyn Government by pushing a split vote with the Brexit Party. 

 

Absolute madness.. 

 

Aye, because that would be so bad, even worse than no deal Brexit????

[Mikey1874]

17 minutes ago, Boris said:

 

Aye, because that would be so bad, even worse than no deal Brexit????

 

The thing they used to say was worse than anything - a Corbyn Government.

 

The prize of No Deal has messed with their heads. 

[Victorian]

The Tories believe a no deal Brexit is an election winner.   Sadly it's probably true.

[Cade]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

The Tories believe a no deal Brexit is an election winner.   Sadly it's probably true.

Only if the election is done before the massive damage of that is felt.

Act the hard man, impress the Weatherspoons knuckle-draggers, win a tight election then spend the next few years STILL blaming the EU for your own No Deal policy.

[Victorian]

Just now, Cade said:

Only if the election is done before the massive damage of that is felt.

Act the hard man, impress the Weatherspoons knuckle-draggers, win a tight election then spend the next few years STILL blaming the EU for your own No Deal policy.

 

Correct.

[Boris]

7 minutes ago, Cade said:

Only if the election is done before the massive damage of that is felt.

Act the hard man, impress the Weatherspoons knuckle-draggers, win a tight election then spend the next few years STILL blaming the EU for your own No Deal policy.

 

Whilst BJ and his pals all laugh their way to the bank...

[Victorian]

Don't forget that a no deal Brexit chases the Brexit Party wolf from the Tory door in the immediate electoral sense.     It's a slam dunk vote gainer.      

 

Brexit Party will morph into the next iteration post-Brexit.     The same people will still be there trying to ensure the worst possible future trading relationship with the EU.

 

 

[Cruyff Turn]

20 minutes ago, Victorian said:

The Tories believe a no deal Brexit is an election winner.   Sadly it's probably true.

Yes, I think so. Even if Parliament forces No Deal off the table. If the Tories win a majority, they’ll just repeal it. 

[Victorian]

6 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said:

Yes, I think so. Even if Parliament forces No Deal off the table. If the Tories win a majority, they’ll just repeal it. 

 

If they can't nullify the Benn act before the election then they'll find it difficult to win a majority.    But could still be largest party.     Brexit Party will deprive them of crucial vote share to the tune of about 15-20%.      Thankfully 15-20% vote share wont be enough to win the BP many seats,   if any at all,   so no post-election pact (thank god for the FPTP system).     It would be very difficult to then repeal the law.

 

If they do nullify the Benn act and get a no deal before the election then the BP will back off and the majority can be achieved.

 

 

[Victorian]

Meanwhile,    that Jennifer Arcuri's ex-boyfriend has been desperately trying to deny that she had a fling with Johnson.

 

Well you would.    You wouldn't want the world knowing your ex-bursds was getting the Bullingdon Boaby at the same time.

[RobboM]

34 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Don't forget that a no deal Brexit chases the Brexit Party wolf from the Tory door in the immediate electoral sense.     It's a slam dunk vote gainer.      

 

Brexit Party will morph into the next iteration post-Brexit.     The same people will still be there trying to ensure the worst possible future trading relationship with the EU.

 

 

But a No Deal with no one to blame? Can't blame EU as they would offer an extension. Can't blame Parliament as they have voted to avoid it. IF we have a No Deal Brexit and IF it is anything like the Yellowhammer reasonable worst case how on earth would that be defendable at an election?

 

[manaliveits105]

the consequences of the language Boris is using 

Really ? these snowflakes need to get on with their job and stop bleating and putting themselves and their parties first at the expense of the electorate - the country is sick of them and they know they can’t  can’t win an election

Mon Boris

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, RobboM said:

But a No Deal with no one to blame? Can't blame EU as they would offer an extension. Can't blame Parliament as they have voted to avoid it. IF we have a No Deal Brexit and IF it is anything like the Yellowhammer reasonable worst case how on earth would that be defendable at an election?

 

 

The EU can offer an extension but can't impose one.     The Tories would force no deal and deliver on the rhetoric of leaving by Oct31.    The thing that many people are calling for.      The immediate problems would be blamed on the EU and parliament for being obstructive and trying to thwart the will of the people.    Election happens before the longer term economic damage manifests itself.    Tories campaign on a triumphant wave of delivering what people wanted.    Longer term damage is dismissed as the fault of everyone else and that everyone will soon be millionaires after the US trade deal treaty comes into being.

[Mikey1874]

1 minute ago, manaliveits105 said:

the consequences of the language Boris is using 

Really ? these snowflakes need to get on with their job and stop bleating and putting themselves and their parties first at the expense of the electorate - the country is sick of them and they know they can’t  can’t win an election

Mon Boris

 

Brexit supporters in Parliament stopped Brexit happening by voting against Deal to leave 3 times. 

 

If you want to live in a world where people get threatened to be killed, raped etc then good luck. 

[Cruyff Turn]

22 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

If they can't nullify the Benn act before the election then they'll find it difficult to win a majority.    But could still be largest party.     Brexit Party will deprive them of crucial vote share to the tune of about 15-20%.      Thankfully 15-20% vote share wont be enough to win the BP many seats,   if any at all,   so no post-election pact (thank god for the FPTP system).     It would be very difficult to then repeal the law.

 

If they do nullify the Benn act and get a no deal before the election then the BP will back off and the majority can be achieved.

 

 

It depends on the deal the Brexit Party do with the Tories.

 

 As I understand it, the Brexit Party are going to put candidates forward in Labour held constituencies and not Tory ones. 

[RobboM]

3 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

The EU can offer an extension but can't impose one.     The Tories would force no deal and deliver on the rhetoric of leaving by Oct31.    The thing that many people are calling for.      The immediate problems would be blamed on the EU and parliament for being obstructive and trying to thwart the will of the people.    Election happens before the longer term economic damage manifests itself.    Tories campaign on a triumphant wave of delivering what people wanted.    Longer term damage is dismissed as the fault of everyone else and that everyone will soon be millionaires after the US trade deal treaty comes into being.

Agreed, but given that No Deal (now new and improved "Clean Break" ffs) is marketed as exactly what people voted for then that line falls flat. Any chaotic consequence highlighted in Yellowhammer is a known risk that was chosen by the government.

I despair at the conniving, cynical ***** in government

[Mikey1874]

4 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said:

It depends on the deal the Brexit Party do with the Tories.

 

 As I understand it, the Brexit Party are going to put candidates forward in Labour held constituencies and not Tory ones. 

 

There is no deal just now. 

 

Be interesting to know what the Brexit Party position is (apart from wanting Brexit). They have been very critical of Johnson this week. Farage has said poroguing Parliament was stupid as it strengthened the Opposition.

 

Farage might be happy if Corbyn delivers Brexit though he does seem to favour No Deal.

Edited September 27, 2019 by Mikey1874

[Mikey1874]

4 minutes ago, RobboM said:

Agreed, but given that No Deal (now new and improved "Clean Break" ffs) is marketed as exactly what people voted for then that line falls flat. Any chaotic consequence highlighted in Yellowhammer is a known risk that was chosen by the government.

I despair at the conniving, cynical ***** in government

 

Hence another reason for delaying an election. Opposition would want a few months of chaos. Tories would be destroyed. 

 

Labour strategy is all about getting power. 

Edited September 27, 2019 by Mikey1874

[shaun.lawson]

18 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

the country is sick

 

You got that bit right.

 

And it'll be a lot more sick when medicines run out. But y'know, who cares? 'Mon Boris eh? WHY CAN'T THESE SNOWFLAKES DEAL WITH THE DEATH AND RAPE THREATS THEY GET DAILY? WHY CAN'T THESE SNOWFLAKES' KIDS DEAL WITH THE PANIC BUTTONS INSTALLED IN THEIR HOMES AND THE FEARS THEY RIGHTLY HAVE ABOUT THEIR MP PARENTS' SAFETY?

 

A lone man wept at the death of a nation.

Edited September 27, 2019 by shaun.lawson

[RobboM]

15 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

the consequences of the language Boris is using 

Really ? these snowflakes need to get on with their job and stop bleating and putting themselves and their parties first at the expense of the electorate - the country is sick of them and they know they can’t  can’t win an election

Mon Boris

Words have consequences.

When Jo Cox MP was assassinated witnesses said her attacker shouted "This is for Britain", "keep Britain independent", and "Put Britain first"

An article in the Times wrote
"some people – all of them pro-Brexit as it happens" were "so keen to dismiss the first (and accurate) reports of Mair's words?", claiming such people "resisted because deep down they feared that aspects of the language or direction of the Brexit campaign they legitimately supported had emboldened extremism. While they themselves were in no way permissive of the act, might they in some way have been permissive of the motive? Or even of the mood?".

Are you really happy to align with this?

[Cruyff Turn]

3 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

There is no deal just now. 

 

Be interesting to know what the Brexit Party position is (apart from wanting Brexit). They have been very critical of Johnson this week. Farage has said poroguing Parliament was stupid as it strengthened the Opposition.

 

Farage might be happy if Corbyn delivers Brexit though he does seem to favour No Deal.

That’s just Farage publicly positioning himself as the No Deal option.

 

Everyone knows that Boris and his cabinet want No-Deal too, Farage will know this but Boris can’t say that publicly, which is a key difference. They both essentially want the same thing. 

 

I don’t think the Brexit Party will run against the Tories because it splits a pro-Brexit no deal vote. 

 

This is why Corbyn is sitting on the fence because he knows if he supports either, he’ll lose votes to the Brexit Party. Some folk in the North of England will never vote Tory, but they’d vote for Farage.

[Unknown user]

27 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

the consequences of the language Boris is using 

Really ? these snowflakes need to get on with their job and stop bleating and putting themselves and their parties first at the expense of the electorate - the country is sick of them and they know they can’t  can’t win an election

Mon Boris

 

[shaun.lawson]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/27/ministers-still-do-not-know-nhs-cope-no-deal-brexit-report

 

"Mon Boris!"

 

     

[Jambo-Jimbo]

24 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Brexit supporters in Parliament stopped Brexit happening by voting against Deal to leave 3 times. 

 

If you want to live in a world where people get threatened to be killed, raped etc then good luck. 

 

Politicians have been receiving death & rape threats for decades and decades, it used to be the anonymous letter, now it's a post on social media.

 

You have, you're entire life, been living in a World of people being threatened, so have I, so have we all, the only thing that's changed is the delivery method.

[manaliveits105]

Correct but in our brave new world everyone must be offended by everything until we become like Stepford 

[Mikey1874]

18 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Politicians have been receiving death & rape threats for decades and decades, it used to be the anonymous letter, now it's a post on social media.

 

You have, you're entire life, been living in a World of people being threatened, so have I, so have we all, the only thing that's changed is the delivery method.

 

I think a bit of a change partly since the Me Too movement is in people talking about it.

 

Which I think is healthy.

 

Black people have suffered racism for years but generally have taken the position getting on with things is better. That is starting to change. 

 

But I have always said for 40 years that if you break down the position of consent and treating people reasonably you open to different possibilities. People are assuming it's the Brexit supporters people should be afraid of. A counter reaction is equally possible.

 

I do though believe the Referendum result should be implemented and that not doing so is dangerous. But not respecting the position of Remain supporters is equally dangerous. 

Edited September 27, 2019 by Mikey1874