Montgomery Brewster Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said: Boris first appearance at the dispatch box will be a must watch popcorn moment. He’ll get slaughtered and rightly so. That’s if he is PM. Popcorn sales will be going through the roof. Election coming now. 21/11 looks likely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said: In retrospect was John Majors prorogation also unlawful? Slightly off topic I know. Is prorogation now a poisoned chalice for any PM to try and use? He shut it down for three weeks just before the New Labour landslide. Yes, he shut it down to stifle the "cash for questions" debacle. But at least it was partly normal as there was a GE already tabled. He just shut it down early. He paid for that with his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Just now, Mikey1874 said: She actually said "we are not questioning the motives". That is about failure of government to put forward the reasons in a statement which I think badly harmed their case. I think she meant that the Government's actual reasons for the prorogation weren't examined or questioned - they don't matter. But the fact that no sufficient reason was put forward for the prorogation must logically bring into question, outwith the court, the Government's motives for doing so. Och, it's all semantics anyway. We all know why the Government did what they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Montgomery Brewster said: Popcorn sales will be going through the roof. Election coming now. 21/11 looks likely Vote of no confidence > temporary government to put through Brexit extension > general election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Well done Jo Cherry. Indie now please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, redjambo said: I think she meant that the Government's actual reasons for the prorogation weren't examined or questioned - they don't matter. But the fact that no sufficient reason was put forward for the prorogation must logically bring into question, outwith the court, the Government's motives for doing so. Och, it's all semantics anyway. We all know why the Government did what they did. Absolutely Parliament could force them to give reasons. Also they voted for all the papers/ advice to be published and Government has refused. They will be forced to. That then raises all sorts of issues. Timing of what was revealed in the Court of Session case suggests Boris lied to Parliament. Edited September 24, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said: In retrospect was John Majors prorogation also unlawful? Slightly off topic I know. Is prorogation now a poisoned chalice for any PM to try and use? There will always be prorogation - it is part of the workings of Parliament. Unreasonable prorogation looks to be a dead duck now though, and any future prorogations will be scrutinised for their "reasonableness". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Boris booked his New York flights through Thomas Cook. He won’t be back this week.,. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Absolutely Parliament could force them to give reasons. Also they voted for all the papers/ advice to be published and Government has refused. They will be forced to. That then raises all sorts of issues. I hadn't thought of that. It could prove very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Just now, redjambo said: I hadn't thought of that. It could prove very interesting. As per my edit papers released to Court of Session suggests Boris lied to Parliament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Thanks for all the answers guys. 👍👍👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Boris has clearly been emboldened by trump's willingness and ability to ignore the rules and do what he wants, it gives some hope that that the rules are still being enforced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, Sarah O said: Well done Jo Cherry. Indie now please. Indy views aside, I think she’s an absolute superstar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Just now, Gashauskis9 said: Indy views aside, I think she’s an absolute superstar. Once today's interviews are all done and dusted and she finally gets home, I hope she kicks off her shoes and enjoys that well-deserved glass of wine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 They should be jailed. Seeing as we can't execute the toffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, redjambo said: Once today's interviews are all done and dusted and she finally gets home, I hope she kicks off her shoes and enjoys that well-deserved glass of wine. She’ll never pay for another drink while I’m in the vicinity. Her efforts won’t be forgotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Just now, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said: They should be jailed. Seeing as we can't execute the toffs. There certainly should be consequences for those who unlawfully attempt to close parliament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class of 75 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 31 minutes ago, DETTY29 said: Ineteresting view from Jim Spence. He should get the sack for that. He is meant to be politically neutral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) His key advisers were Cummings and JRM. Surely if Boris doesn't resign, their heads should go? And can the Queen suggest to Johnson the next time they meet her displeasure at his advisers ergo if he doesn't go, they should? Edited September 24, 2019 by DETTY29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class of 75 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 20 minutes ago, Montgomery Brewster said: Popcorn sales will be going through the roof. Election coming now. 21/11 looks likely Won't happen in the near future as PM has been prevented from calling one by the so called democratic Parliament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Class of 75 said: He should get the sack for that. He is meant to be politically neutral. As a commissioned sports journalist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Well this should see the back of Cummings at the very least, too many people will love the opportunity to make him a scapegoat. boris should resign, he won’t, shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Fromage calling for Cummings to go because he's putting Brexit at risk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Fair play to the Scottish Legal System who called it first (and of course the woman who raised the case). He has lied to the Queen, that for me is the ultimate and he cannot ever recover from this - OFF WITH HIS HEAD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Just now, Armageddon said: Fair play to the Scottish Legal System who called it first (and of course the woman who raised the case). He has lied to the Queen, that for me is the ultimate and he cannot ever recover from this - OFF WITH HIS HEAD! Nah .... start with his bollocks 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: Well this should see the back of Cummings at the very least, too many people will love the opportunity to make him a scapegoat. boris should resign, he won’t, shambles. When Parliament forces Government to publish all the advice from advisers which they voted for and Government has refused to do, then Cummings will likely be in a very difficult position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 32 minutes ago, Victorian said: Unanimous anaw. That's significant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Mail, Telegraph and Express headlines will be a declaration of civil war pricks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Even the Brexit Party are distancing themselves from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Just now, Cade said: Mail, Telegraph and Express headlines will be a declaration of civil war pricks I'll be interested to see how they lead with it. Usually the "rule of law" is one of the foundations on which they argue their politics. Will they cross the boundary and actually criticise a unanimous decision from the Supreme Court? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cade said: Mail, Telegraph and Express headlines will be a declaration of civil war pricks They need to have a good think first. Being calm about it is a better move. Boris 'do or die' approach not helped by going after courts. Since his approach will see us back at Supreme Court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gashauskis9 said: Even the Brexit Party are distancing themselves from him. Andrew Tice interview quite good. Staying calm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Guy Verhofstadt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Victorian said: Guy Verhofstadt. Link please I want to enjoy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Just now, Dannie Boy said: Link please I want to enjoy? You'll see it on the BBC live link on the main page. Smackdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Boris Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Dannie Boy said: Link please I want to enjoy? Guy Verhofstadt @guyverhofstadt At least one big relief in the Brexit saga: the rule of law in the UK is alive & kicking. Parliaments should never be silenced in a real democracy. I never want to hear Boris Johnson or any other Brexiteer say again that the European Union is undemocratic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Andrew Tice interview quite good. Staying calm. They’re having to do some clever manoeuvring today. They’re in a good position to benefit from the news as much as the remain camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Tory whips demanding that no Tory MP or party member says anything about this ruling either in the media or on social media Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Just now, Cade said: Tory whips demanding that no Tory MP or party member says anything about this ruling either in the media or on social media Just as well there are 21 ex MPs then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said: Just as well there are 21 ex MPs then Yep, Grieve has already had a pop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 18 minutes ago, redjambo said: I'll be interested to see how they lead with it. Usually the "rule of law" is one of the foundations on which they argue their politics. Will they cross the boundary and actually criticise a unanimous decision from the Supreme Court? Unanimous decision may change stance but previous Millar majority case, the lords were enemies of the people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lyon Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, Cade said: Tory whips demanding that no Tory MP or party member says anything about this ruling either in the media or on social media Getting more like the SNP every day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Facepalms all round What a shocking three years this has been. Honestly. I doubt parliament will truly recover from all this, or not for years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Stuart Lyon said: Getting more like the SNP every day 😂😂😂😂😂. Well done on the first SNP bad post since the liar BJ was found out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, Cade said: Tory whips demanding that no Tory MP or party member says anything about this ruling either in the media or on social media They just have no idea. It's like telling people not to breathe (let alone being anti-free speech and, by extension, anti-democratic). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Gashauskis9 said: They’re having to do some clever manoeuvring today. They’re in a good position to benefit from the news as much as the remain camp. Farage laying into Johnson and Cummings too. That election alliance not looking good. Edited September 24, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said: Farage laying into Johnson and Cummings too. He’s been hoping for this moment. Opens the door to hardcore Brexit voters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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