Cade Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Tory high heid yins reckon they'll come in around 6th in the EU elections, behind LibDems, Labour, Greens, UKIP and whatever Farage's lot are now calling themselves. Change and SNP also expected to win almost every seat they stand for. Next GE will be a hoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 I feel bad voting, but I suppose I'd still vote at Wm if Scotland were still in the UK post yes. So, I don't feel that bad. SNP✓ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 I just saw the end of it last night but I've seen that the 2 part BBC fly on the wall programme on the EU negociating team is good. Brexit Behind Closed Doors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 21 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said: They may be, but we'll be on the outside looking in whilst being run by a hybrid right wing amalgam of UKIP/Farage's mob/the split Tory right looking for a new straw man to blame for the UK vanishing up it's own ringpiece. As a pro European Scot I'm not not looking forward to that much. I think you will find that the member nations are in fact more likely to be governed by a right wing amalgam. The EU will not survive . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie1957 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Why can someone not come out and tell the truth.We cannot leave.It is so simple you cannot trade with the E U if you trade with countries the E U does not have trade deals with.You cannot break the sterile bubble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Parliament now into the longest session since the English Civil War. Tories running scared of a general election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Bye Honda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Julie1957 said: Why can someone not come out and tell the truth.We cannot leave.It is so simple you cannot trade with the E U if you trade with countries the E U does not have trade deals with.You cannot break the sterile bubble. Not sure I understand this. We trade with lots of countries that do not have trade deals with the EU. Obviously these countries currently trade with the EU despite not having trade deals with the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Too confusing for me ! Can I ask a question ? A very simple one ! ? What happens if there is another referendum and the result is the same ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Boab said: Too confusing for me ! Can I ask a question ? A very simple one ! ? What happens if there is another referendum and the result is the same ? The vote will be "respected". Or to put it another way we will keep voting until we give the right answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: The vote will be "respected". Or to put it another way we will keep voting until we give the right answer. If it wasn’t so serious, and the electorate had a sense of humour, they should just vote leave again. Either way, I think the UK, as a nation, is ****ed ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 28 minutes ago, Boab said: Too confusing for me ! Can I ask a question ? A very simple one ! ? What happens if there is another referendum and the result is the same ? We bash on with the total clusterfeck we currently have and end up a global laughing stock with a ruined economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Cade said: We bash on with the total clusterfeck we currently have and end up a global laughing stock with a ruined economy. Hopefully everyone turns up at Nigel's door when it does. No doubt he'll be living in Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 3 hours ago, ri Alban said: Bye Honda Considering they have struck a deal with the EU it's highly unlikely they'd have stayed anyway. Next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Herr Farage has now decided that the BBC are "the enemy". After all his countless appearances on Question Time over the last few years and the easy ride he's been given by interviewers over that time period. He's also refusing to tell anybody about any policy his wee gang have come up with until after the EU elections. So a blind vote for Nigel. All announced at a wee rally he held in a wee room in Yorkshire, attended by a lot of old white people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, Cade said: We bash on with the total clusterfeck we currently have and end up a global laughing stock with a ruined economy. Currently outperforming most of Europe if capitalism and chasing growth is your thang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Cade said: Herr Farage has now decided that the BBC are "the enemy". After all his countless appearances on Question Time over the last few years and the easy ride he's been given by interviewers over that time period. He's also refusing to tell anybody about any policy his wee gang have come up with until after the EU elections. So a blind vote for Nigel. All announced at a wee rally he held in a wee room in Yorkshire, attended by a lot of old white people. Go on the old whiteys I say. Teach some of the young kiddie on left a thing or two. Like not trying to be kiddie on left and quoting the stock market everytime it falls to back up how Brexit is bad. Dont know your skin colour but I'm assuming you will be old and white one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, jake said: Currently outperforming most of Europe if capitalism and chasing growth is your thang Recent figures down to stockpiling was it not? Hardly sustainable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 55 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: The vote will be "respected". Or to put it another way we will keep voting until we give the right answer. But but leave voters are fick as fek mate or old or racist. And my God they are even white. Imagine the offence felt if i posted about people's voting preference and their skin colour. (Non white obviously) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Boris said: Recent figures down to stockpiling was it not? Hardly sustainable. Stockpiling? Lost me there Boris. I was referring to employment and the economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, jake said: Currently outperforming most of Europe if capitalism and chasing growth is your thang Well yeah, but as part of the EU. You have to wait til after Brexit to go "see how good things are away fron the EU?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, jake said: Stockpiling? Lost me there Boris. I was referring to employment and the economy. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/may/10/uk-economic-growth-picks-up-as-stockpiling-boosts-manufacturing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Smithee said: Well yeah, but as part of the EU. You have to wait til after Brexit to go "see how good things are away fron the EU?" True enough. The thing is every time theres economic news that's not so good guess what. We were reliably mis informed by the remain side that even a vote for Brexit would see it all come crashing down around us. From the serving chancellor no less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Boris said: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/may/10/uk-economic-growth-picks-up-as-stockpiling-boosts-manufacturing Sorry Boris the Guardian prints these scare stories almost weekly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, jake said: True enough. The thing is every time theres economic news that's not so good guess what. We were reliably mis informed by the remain side that even a vote for Brexit would see it all come crashing down around us. From the serving chancellor no less. The extreme voices on both sides are full of shit, we all know that, but I'd say the most obvious thing to take from your economic factoid is how well Britain does within the EU Edited May 13, 2019 by Smithee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Just now, jake said: Sorry Boris the Guardian prints these scare stories almost weekly. It was in the Times as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-gdp-boosted-by-stockpiling-5m9jmwqfs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) If the economy had performed badly since the leave vote (as predicted) I wonder what it would have been blamed on? Edited May 13, 2019 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: If the economy had performed badly since the leave vote (as predicted) I wonder what it would have been blamed on? The leave vote probably! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, Boris said: The leave vote probably! Quite. Worse than expected - leave vote. Better than expected - leave vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Smithee said: The extreme voices on both sides are full of shit, we all know that, but I'd say the most obvious thing to take from your economic factoid is how well Britain does within the EU Factoid? The most obvious thing I take is that despite the scare stories predicting economic turmoil immediately after the vote ....it hasn't happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Boris said: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-gdp-boosted-by-stockpiling-5m9jmwqfs I have to laugh Boris. The economy performed better than expected because of Brexit. The economy is struggling because of Brexit. You are a Karl Marx man mate. The economic forecast is going just as he said. We are now entering the squeezing of the middle class. Brexit wont be allowed to happen. So you can all rest safely as we rest in the arms of the EU . Oh and here's one for those who want independence. If as I suspect Brexit wont be delivered with the help of the establishment Do you think the EU will make it easy for Scotland to rejoin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 9 hours ago, jake said: I have to laugh Boris. The economy performed better than expected because of Brexit. The economy is struggling because of Brexit. You are a Karl Marx man mate. The economic forecast is going just as he said. We are now entering the squeezing of the middle class. Jake, this has been happening for years, not just since Brexit. The problem with Brexit is that the main force driving it is Farage and his ilk. They are as far removed from Marx as anything you could think of! And this is where the problem is. Supporting that ideology will bring nothing but misery to the vast majority of people, imo. Backing brexit = backing Farage. You can see the Tory Party moving toward a no deal position as each second ticks by. 9 hours ago, jake said: Brexit wont be allowed to happen. So you can all rest safely as we rest in the arms of the EU . I think that it will as there seems to be no real effort to push a second referendum. Not to say that remain would even win that! 9 hours ago, jake said: Oh and here's one for those who want independence. If as I suspect Brexit wont be delivered with the help of the establishment Do you think the EU will make it easy for Scotland to rejoin? If there is no brexit then I doubt there will be independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Interesting article. It's an opinion piece from the Guardian, so no doubt some will not bother, but this journalist's account of a Brexit Party rally is quite scary, imo. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/13/nigel-farage-brexit-party-event-terrifying-glimpse-future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, Boris said: If there is no brexit then I doubt there will be independence. It's hard to say, we shouldn't underestimate how much of a turn off Westminster is and they haven't finished their cluster**** rampage yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Smithee said: It's hard to say, we shouldn't underestimate how much of a turn off Westminster is and they haven't finished their cluster**** rampage yet! I'd agree that this whole sorry charade has shown Westminster, and especially the Tory and Labour Parties, up for what they are, so what effect that may have on their electoral strength in Scotland is hard to predict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 The Liberal Democrats will be the surprise package in the years to come I'd say. Vince Cable has done a great job there turning them around from the coalition which I genuinely thought destroyed them for good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Lib Dems have merely gone back to their original stance of "We're not Tories or Labour so give us your vote". They offer little else other than a protest vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: The Liberal Democrats will be the surprise package in the years to come I'd say. Vince Cable has done a great job there turning them around from the coalition which I genuinely thought destroyed them for good I did too, but people seem to really want an alternative. It looks like Farage and his lot are mopping up the discontented right, and the libdems seem ideally placed to make ground in the other direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Smithee said: I did too, but people seem to really want an alternative. It looks like Farage and his lot are mopping up the discontented right, and the libdems seem ideally placed to make ground in the other direction. Which doesn't say a lot for what was billed to be the new alternative to the mainstream political parties when the TIG's or Change UK or whatever they're calling themselves this week broke away from the Tories & Labour. In the latest poll at the week-end the SNP were polling at the same percentage as Change UK in the Euro Elections at 4%, I think it was. I can see Change UK joining the Lib Dems and if they don't do that then imo they'll be kaput. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Shame the lib dems didn't bother turning up for crucial votes on brexit. Think I'll pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMac Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said: Shame the lib dems didn't bother turning up for crucial votes on brexit. Think I'll pass. please supply details. I follow this rather closely and the only case I can come up with is when labour changed its position at the last minute, however the lib dem votes wouldn't have made a difference due to labour rebels.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 8 hours ago, Cade said: Lib Dems have merely gone back to their original stance of "We're not Tories or Labour so give us your vote". They offer little else other than a protest vote. This. They'll whore themselves to anyone for a shot at sitting round the big table. You'd be better off drawing a cock and balls on your ballot paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 10 hours ago, Boris said: Interesting article. It's an opinion piece from the Guardian, so no doubt some will not bother, but this journalist's account of a Brexit Party rally is quite scary, imo. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/13/nigel-farage-brexit-party-event-terrifying-glimpse-future The active members of political parties are always weird. When I first moved to London I joined my local Labour Party. The first and only meeting I attended was the day after a West Indian (as they were then known) youth was killed by the Met police in suspicious circumstances. An emergency vote overwhelmingly supported a resolution to send a message of congratulation to the Chief Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police. Anyway that many Brexit supporters feel betrayed is not surprising, and that that feeling can be exploited was entirely predictable. Maybe one day the Guardian and others who have been working since June 2016 to reverse the vote or simply ignore it will acknowledge their part in Farage's unprecedented success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 23 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: The active members of political parties are always weird. When I first moved to London I joined my local Labour Party. The first and only meeting I attended was the day after a West Indian (as they were then known) youth was killed by the Met police in suspicious circumstances. An emergency vote overwhelmingly supported a resolution to send a message of congratulation to the Chief Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police. Anyway that many Brexit supporters feel betrayed is not surprising, and that that feeling can be exploited was entirely predictable. Maybe one day the Guardian and others who have been working since June 2016 to reverse the vote or simply ignore it will acknowledge their part in Farage's unprecedented success. It’s not the guardian that has “betrayed” this no deal vision that Farage aspires to. Only people you can blame for this crypto fascism are the crypto fascists! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Boris said: It’s not the guardian that has “betrayed” this no deal vision that Farage aspires to. Only people you can blame for this crypto fascism are the crypto fascists! I think most of the blame lies with the 85% of MPs who voted to hold the referendum and in almost three years have failed to agree on ANY form of Brexit within the huge spectrum from hardest to softest. (And comparing Farage and Rees-Mogg to Hitler is almost as silly as comparing Corbyn to Stalin) Edited May 14, 2019 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 16 minutes ago, Boris said: It’s not the guardian that has “betrayed” this no deal vision that Farage aspires to. Only people you can blame for this crypto fascism are the crypto fascists! So you are now equating Brexit with people secretly wanting a fascist regime ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 hour ago, jake said: So you are now equating Brexit with people secretly wanting a fascist regime ? No. Not at all. Farage and his entourage I have serious concerns over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Francis Albert said: I think most of the blame lies with the 85% of MPs who voted to hold the referendum and in almost three years have failed to agree on ANY form of Brexit within the huge spectrum from hardest to softest. (And comparing Farage and Rees-Mogg to Hitler is almost as silly as comparing Corbyn to Stalin) So not the guardian then. Who mentioned Rees mogg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 23 minutes ago, Boris said: So not the guardian then. Who mentioned Rees mogg? Yes the Guardian and others who have strongly supported those who want to scupper the referendum vote. And I mentioned Rees Mogg ... and Corbyn ... to make a point about the essentially trivialising Guardian article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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