Brexit Deal agreed ( updated )

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, AlimOzturk said:

 

I don't think a further vote would make a difference TBH. There sill still be the divisions amongst the nation and those that lead us and if the vote goes the other direction there will be so much bitterness. Who knows...it could get even worse than that. Protests and even riots would most likely be the result. 

 

And if the vote says leave again which is a real possibility...what then? Just more time wasted. 

 

The solution was not having a referendum in the first place. Not allowing nutcases like Boris Johnson, Gove, Mogg and Nigel Farage the chance to ruin this country. However that ships sailed thanks to Cameron and the Tories. 

 

We have to see this through as far as I am concerned for the sake of democracy and a chance to heal wounds. Stop all these referendums and stop all the political bitterness. All the parties need to put aside difference and make the best of a bad situation. 

 

It could have been so but the Tories decided to enforce a strict exclusion-to-all policy.     They wanted to dictate the whole show.    

 

Yes there should be a consensus built strategy going forwards... but without the Tories.     They are democratic poison and would only hinder the repair work.

[Pans Jambo]

3 minutes ago, jake said:

Not a silver lining.

Just pointing out a fact.

Fact that goods & services (if we can get them) will likely rise in price due to the brexit bollox & the fact that the pound will buy heehaw. 

OK. 

[jake]

1 minute ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Yes in the same way that blowing your feet off with a shotgun would save you money on shoes.

It's a general consensus that the pound was over valued .

 

[Pans Jambo]

Pulled from the National. 

Shows the contept Scottish politicians are held by the English tories:

 

AT the end of an evening and night of Commonsdebate in which SNP Members of Parliament made several excellent and thought-provoking contributions, Tory grandee Sir Graham Brady rose to give his considered verdict.

“I think we have probably heard enough from the Scottish nationalists for all five days of the debate,” said Brady. And they wonder why many if not most Scots want nothing further to do with Westminster...

In the middle of this truly historic debate one Tory MP, Alex Chalk, was more concerned about his own reputation that the future of the United Kingdom.

[Francis Albert]

15 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

The contempt you have for facts, basic common sense, or Parliamentary sovereignty, is far more remarkable.

 

Months and months back, posters like Ulysses and myself highlighted two things.

 

1. Leaving the customs union and maintaining a soft border in Ireland is impossible

 

2. Leaving the single market and maintaining frictionless trade is also impossible.

 

Your response was to dodge, deflect, evade, and whatabout. And that your problem is with Parliament - charged with saving the UK from an utter disaster - and not Leave, who lied, lied, lied and lied some more throughout the campaign, promising the electorate the moon on a stick and providing no detail whatsoever, is just astonishing.

 

Democracy is not some fixed moment in time followed by another fixed moment in time 41 years later. It is an ever-evolving organism, which responds to events and changes as they happen. The UK has a system of representative democracy. This Parliament was elected last year, and its representatives reflect the expressed will of the people at that election. Not only that - but Leave voters voted to 'take back control' through Parliamentary sovereignty. Which is precisely what Parliament, thank God, is exercising now. 

 

It seems to me, Francis, that you'd be quite happy if the UK turned into Upper Volta with nuclear weapons. Just as long as the referendum result was 'respected'.

Thanks Shaun. Your post neatly encapsulates Remain's contempt for anyone who  disagrees with them. Your last two sentences are a particular gem.

And on the last page of this thread we have seen a rerun of all the thick old racist abuse of Leave voters, who are deemed to be incapable of spotting lies and misleading propaganda. Whereas I am sure the Remain voters saw through all the lies and misleading propaganda of the Remain campaign. (What happened that emergency budget the day after the vote?) but voted with clear and dispassionate minds. Because of course they are much better educated.

 

 

[jake]

1 minute ago, Pans Jambo said:

Fact that goods & services (if we can get them) will likely rise in price due to the brexit bollox & the fact that the pound will buy heehaw. 

OK. 

You start of saying fact then use the word likely.

Sorry pans you buy into project fear.

I don't.

Clean break .

And perhaps short term pain but imo long term gain in ways much more measurable than the casinos of the stock market.

 

[Pans Jambo]

Just now, jake said:

You start of saying fact then use the word likely.

Sorry pans you buy into project fear.

I don't.

Clean break .

And perhaps short term pain but imo long term gain in ways much more measurable than the casinos of the stock market.

 

OK  

I wont be able to reply for the next hour or so. Taking my Unicorn for a walk. 

[jake]

25 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

The contempt you have for facts, basic common sense, or Parliamentary sovereignty, is far more remarkable.

 

Months and months back, posters like Ulysses and myself highlighted two things.

 

1. Leaving the customs union and maintaining a soft border in Ireland is impossible

 

2. Leaving the single market and maintaining frictionless trade is also impossible.

 

Your response was to dodge, deflect, evade, and whatabout. And that your problem is with Parliament - charged with saving the UK from an utter disaster - and not Leave, who lied, lied, lied and lied some more throughout the campaign, promising the electorate the moon on a stick and providing no detail whatsoever, is just astonishing.

 

Democracy is not some fixed moment in time followed by another fixed moment in time 41 years later. It is an ever-evolving organism, which responds to events and changes as they happen. The UK has a system of representative democracy. This Parliament was elected last year, and its representatives reflect the expressed will of the people at that election. Not only that - but Leave voters voted to 'take back control' through Parliamentary sovereignty. Which is precisely what Parliament, thank God, is exercising now. 

 

It seems to me, Francis, that you'd be quite happy if the UK turned into Upper Volta with nuclear weapons. Just as long as the referendum result was 'respected'.

You don't half border on the ridiculous in your attempts to summarise someone.

 

[jake]

Just now, Pans Jambo said:

OK  

I wont be able to reply for the next hour or so. Taking my Unicorn for a walk. 

It's raining so wear some wellies.

 

[Pans Jambo]

Just now, jake said:

It's raining so wear some wellies.

 

Never rains in wonderland mate

[jake]

1 minute ago, Pans Jambo said:

Never rains in wonderland mate

Does in reality though.

 

[jake]

https://www.politico.eu/article/italy-commission-budget-waves-white-flag-rome-brussels/

 

Austerity EU style.

But those who normally attack this policy will defend it.

 

The hipocracy amongst remainers who equate brexiteers with torie and especially those who want independence for Scotland is hilarious.

[jake]

25 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Thanks Shaun. Your post neatly encapsulates Remain's contempt for anyone who  disagrees with them. Your last two sentences are a particular gem.

And on the last page of this thread we have seen a rerun of all the thick old racist abuse of Leave voters, who are deemed to be incapable of spotting lies and misleading propaganda. Whereas I am sure the Remain voters saw through all the lies and misleading propaganda of the Remain campaign. (What happened that emergency budget the day after the vote?) but voted with clear and dispassionate minds. Because of course they are much better educated.

 

 

Well said mate.

There is a snobbish bigoted slant to some of the posts on here.

 

 

[jake]

The onslaught of media scare  stories and the daily project fear is it has to be said will be looked back on with admiration by those who indulge in such things.

[jake]

Anyway remainers don't worry you will get your way.

44 trillion euros says you will.

Nothing feks with the casino

[The Mighty Thor]

34 minutes ago, jake said:

It's a general consensus that the pound was over valued .

 

Who created or is part of this general consensus?

Is the pound the only currency overvalued?

 

I kind of get what you're angling at but allow me to ask, would you think, should the pound tank in the event of a no-deal type Brexit that it's justified and merely a correction? Will we see a huge uplift in our exports with a considerably weaker pound, assuming we can somehow cobble together a trade deal with someone? 

[Victorian]

I agree with John McDonnell.     He says a 'national unity' government (Con-Lab mainly) is a non-starter.      He knows the Tories would not be a willing partner.

 

The only way forward is a coalition of the willing.    Those willing to share power to achieve something.     

[jake]

1 minute ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Who created or is part of this general consensus?

Is the pound the only currency overvalued?

 

I kind of get what you're angling at but allow me to ask, would you think, should the pound tank in the event of a no-deal type Brexit that it's justified and merely a correction? Will we see a huge uplift in our exports with a considerably weaker pound, assuming we can somehow cobble together a trade deal with someone? 

The pound would be valued at it's worth.

Why should it not be.

Manufacturing is pretty thin in the UK.

And in reality the pound is reflected on more than just trade deals or manufacturing.

There are weaker currencys but stronger economies are there not.

 

Anyway it's not going to happen .

Brexit that is.

[Francis Albert]

4 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Who created or is part of this general consensus?

Is the pound the only currency overvalued?

 

I kind of get what you're angling at but allow me to ask, would you think, should the pound tank in the event of a no-deal type Brexit that it's justified and merely a correction? Will we see a huge uplift in our exports with a considerably weaker pound, assuming we can somehow cobble together a trade deal with someone? 

You don't need trade dealsto trade. Our trade with the rest of the world has for some time being growing faster than our trade with EU. And as the EU shrinks as a proportion of world trade that trend will continue whether we leave or as now seems increasingly likely remain in one form or another.

You are perhaps a victim if Remain propaganda.

[The Mighty Thor]

3 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

You don't need trade dealsto trade. Our trade with the rest of the world has for some time being growing faster than our trade with EU. And as the EU shrinks as a proportion of world trade that trend will continue whether we leave or as now seems increasingly likely remain in one form or another.

You are perhaps a victim if Remain propaganda.

Ah the default project fear/remain propoganda schtick. Nailed it mate.

 

[jake]

12 minutes ago, Victorian said:

I agree with John McDonnell.     He says a 'national unity' government (Con-Lab mainly) is a non-starter.      He knows the Tories would not be a willing partner.

 

The only way forward is a coalition of the willing.    Those willing to share power to achieve something.     

Coalition government willing to achieve what?

Mays deal is the EU deal also.

 

It's either no deal or remain isn't it?

[The Mighty Thor]

8 minutes ago, jake said:

The pound would be valued at it's worth.

Why should it not be.

Manufacturing is pretty thin in the UK.

And in reality the pound is reflected on more than just trade deals or manufacturing.

There are weaker currencys but stronger economies are there not.

 

Anyway it's not going to happen .

Brexit that is.

You've not answered my question regarding the pound and the consensus of its overvalue. 

 

[shaun.lawson]

55 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Thanks Shaun. Your post neatly encapsulates Remain's contempt for anyone who  disagrees with them. Your last two sentences are a particular gem.

And on the last page of this thread we have seen a rerun of all the thick old racist abuse of Leave voters, who are deemed to be incapable of spotting lies and misleading propaganda. Whereas I am sure the Remain voters saw through all the lies and misleading propaganda of the Remain campaign. (What happened that emergency budget the day after the vote?) but voted with clear and dispassionate minds. Because of course they are much better educated.

 

 

 

More whataboutery. 

[jake]

2 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

You've not answered my question regarding the pound and the consensus of its overvalue. 

 

Sorry.

Do you want me to provide links I'm sure it generally accepted.

 

[jake]

4 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

You've not answered my question regarding the pound and the consensus of its overvalue. 

 

https://fullfact.org/economy/exchange-rates-and-imf/

[jake]

4 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

More whataboutery. 

Eh?

No it's not.

 

[shaun.lawson]

1 hour ago, Francis Albert said:

on the last page of this thread we have seen a rerun of all the thick old racist abuse of Leave voters, who are deemed to be incapable of spotting lies and misleading propaganda. Whereas I am sure the Remain voters saw through all the lies and misleading propaganda of the Remain campaign. (What happened that emergency budget the day after the vote?) but voted with clear and dispassionate minds. Because of course they are much better educated.

 

 

 

1. If all Leave voters saw through the lies and misleading propaganda, why did both Leave campaigns bombard us with lies and racism? You think they spent all that money for the fun of it?

 

2. That Remain/Leave broke down on educational lines isn't opinion. It's fact. I don't know why you, like Jake, find facts so offensive. Do they hurt your feelings or something?

[jake]

8 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Ah the default project fear/remain propoganda schtick. Nailed it mate.

 

It's not default though .

It's evident .

 

Has anyone noted a fall in their living standards lately?

Has anyone had trouble accessing anything?

 

The only hardship that's felt is those affected by domestic policy via benefit changes.

 

By the way look to Europe for some hard times and not just the usual victims of the unworkable currency arrangement.

 

[shaun.lawson]

2 minutes ago, jake said:

Eh?

No it's not.

 

 

Yes it is. Leave won. It was up to Leave to then push through Brexit. Leave has been unable to push through Brexit because what Leave promised was undeliverable. 

 

In response to the likes of Uly or myself explaining why it was undeliverable (and for the avoidance of doubt: leaving the EU is not undeliverable. Leaving the EU in the way we've demanded is 100% undeliverable), you and Francis wilfully ignore the facts. And are still ignoring them. With attitudes like yours, both of you would've been right at home in Weimar Germany.

[jake]

2 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

1. If all Leave voters saw through the lies and misleading propaganda, why did both Leave campaigns bombard us with lies and racism? You think they spent all that money for the fun of it?

 

2. That Remain/Leave broke down on educational lines isn't opinion. It's fact. I don't know why you, like Jake, find facts so offensive. Do they hurt your feelings or something?

? 

 

Even though you were slagging me off I had to laugh.

 

Educational lines .

Now that political correctness.

 

[shaun.lawson]

1 hour ago, Francis Albert said:

Leave voters, who are deemed to be incapable of spotting lies and misleading propaganda. 

 

 

 

This is a poll from July 2016, 2 weeks after the vote. 

 

 

Amongst Leave voters:

 

54% wanted to stay in the single market with some limits on free movement

 

35% wanted to leave the single market and end free movement

 

Not only were Leavers laughably split - but 54% of them had swallowed the lies and misleading propaganda that we could stay in the single market while limiting free movement.

 

Lies like these below. Which you clearly swallowed too, given your hilarious citing of Switzerland earlier in this thread.

 

 

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

One of several reasons why Labour have been so feeble on the issue of Brexit

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/05/unite-leader-warns-labour-against-backing-second-eu-referendum

[jake]

6 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

Yes it is. Leave won. It was up to Leave to then push through Brexit. Leave has been unable to push through Brexit because what Leave promised was undeliverable. 

 

In response to the likes of Uly or myself explaining why it was undeliverable (and for the avoidance of doubt: leaving the EU is not undeliverable. Leaving the EU in the way we've demanded is 100% undeliverable), you and Francis wilfully ignore the facts. And are still ignoring them. With attitudes like yours, both of you would've been right at home in Weimar Germany.

No you are wrong fundamentally.

First of all leave and remain are not political parties.

The government elected are responsible for executing the result of leave or remain. 

And the person trying to push brexit is a remainer.

 

 

 

 

 

[shaun.lawson]

5 minutes ago, jake said:

the person trying to push brexit is a remainer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know. If only she BELIEVED in Brexit more. Why - if only she beat her chest, and charged into Brussels singing Land of Hope and Glory, the 27 other member states would just fall to the ground and give us the undeliverable. As opposed to laughing out loud and telling us to get stuffed.

[Unknown user]

2 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

The House always empties when minor parties are speaking. 

Interesting tha you're complaining about contempt for 17 million leavers, but not interested in the contempt shown for the Scottish electorate's democratically elected representatives. 

[jake]

36 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

I know. If only she BELIEVED in Brexit more. Why - if only she beat her chest, and charged into Brussels singing Land of Hope and Glory, the 27 other member states would just fall to the ground and give us the undeliverable. As opposed to laughing out loud and telling us to get stuffed.

You said in a previous post or two that I did not appreciate it was impossible to leave for reasons that you and Uly.? 

Sorry.

Anyway for reasons that you and Uly had pointed out .

These reasons being the Irish border in relation to the good Friday agreement.

You then stated it was still possible to leave.

What way is possible to leave in your opinion?

[The Mighty Thor]

1 hour ago, jake said:

It's not default though .

It's evident .

 

Has anyone noted a fall in their living standards lately?

Has anyone had trouble accessing anything?

 

The only hardship that's felt is those affected by domestic policy via benefit changes.

 

By the way look to Europe for some hard times and not just the usual victims of the unworkable currency arrangement.

 

Oh Jake.

Hackneyed and tired brexiteer arguments. Nothing has happened yet. Nothing will happen because the leavers, the Johnsons, Rees moggs are full of shit. They haven't come up with a single solution to anything in 29 months since they won. 

Oh and by the way, the brown faces, the central plank of the whole leave argument, will still keep coming as they were never coming from Europe in the first place. 

 

 

 

[jake]

Just now, The Mighty Thor said:

Oh Jake.

Hackneyed and tired brexiteer arguments. Nothing has happened yet. Nothing will happen because the leavers, the Johnsons, Rees moggs are full of shit. They haven't come up with a single solution to anything in 29 months since they won. 

Oh and by the way, the brown faces, the central plank of the whole leave argument, will still keep coming as they were never coming from Europe in the first place. 

 

 

 

Bit disappointed in your post to be honest.

I don't give a single **** about skin colour.

And I couldn't give a single **** about the accusation.

 

[Martin_T]

I'm still to see any benefits at all from leaving. 

 

-Economic growth projected to much slower /possibly even recessionary

-Labour market shortages as EU workers, in my experience far more productive than their UK counterparts, face barriers to employment and generally don't feel welcome

-Huge negative on Financial Services, through loss of passporting, job losses already starting to stack up

-Manufacturing facing trade barriers to it's biggest export market

-A huge talent and funding drain from science and medical research, of which the UK is currently a world leader

 

How is economic suicide in any way........taking back control?

 

The pragmatic decision is not another referendum, it's simply for parliament to cancel Article 50 and take the best decision for the prosperity of the UK, remaining within the EU.

[jake]

1 minute ago, Martin_T said:

I'm still to see any benefits at all from leaving. 

 

-Economic growth projected to much slower /possibly even recessionary

-Labour market shortages as EU workers, in my experience far more productive than their UK counterparts, face barriers to employment and generally don't feel welcome

-Huge negative on Financial Services, through loss of passporting, job losses already starting to stack up

-Manufacturing facing trade barriers to it's biggest export market

-A huge talent and funding drain from science and medical research, of which the UK is currently a world leader

 

How is economic suicide in any way........taking back control?

 

The pragmatic decision is not another referendum, it's simply for parliament to cancel Article 50 and take the best decision for the prosperity of the UK, remaining within the EU.

My good God.

Economic forecast for argument 

Projections and possibility 

Freedom of movement .

Exposed.

Better cheaper workers.

Or more desperate.

Huge loss on financing ????

Aye well unicorns is it .

Manufacturing ....

Just got pulled up from a remainer that there was n9ne.

The UK is a leader and talent always prevails.

Economic suicide?

Not at all.

 

 

[Martin_T]

Just now, jake said:

My good God.

Economic forecast for argument 

Projections and possibility 

Freedom of movement .

Exposed.

Better cheaper workers.

Or more desperate.

Huge loss on financing ????

Aye well unicorns is it .

Manufacturing ....

Just got pulled up from a remainer that there was n9ne.

The UK is a leader and talent always prevails.

Economic suicide?

Not at all.

 

 

 

The bit I know most about is the medical research part through my involvement in Parkinson's UK, the impact of this on research funding and retaining and attracting top talent has been dreadful.

 

We are fortunate in Edinburgh that freedom of movement has led to us attracting some really talented people from the EU, some of whom I work alongside directly.

 

I see absolutely no benefits at all to leaving the EU and we are certainly not taking back control with May's deal.

[Francis Albert]

2 hours ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

1. If all Leave voters saw through the lies and misleading propaganda, why did both Leave campaigns bombard us with lies and racism? You think they spent all that money for the fun of it?

 

2. That Remain/Leave broke down on educational lines isn't opinion. It's fact. I don't know why you, like Jake, find facts so offensive. Do they hurt your feelings or something?

Disappointing Shaun. You used to be better than this.

1. I didn't suggest all Leave voters saw through the lies and misleading propaganda. Some did. Just as some Remain voters saw  through the lies and misrepresentations on the other side. But in each case voted for what they wanted.

2. I never suggested the break down on educational lines was not fact. In fact I specifically stated it was a fact. Where we differ it seems to me is on the question of whether education levels are relevant. I  don't think the votes of less educated people are worth less than those who are better educated, nor that the former are likely to come to worse or less valid decisions than the latter. Someone on the thread said something about Leavers belonging in the Weimar Republic. The equation of education/intelligence with democratic legitimacy belongs more with what followed the Weimar Republic.

 

[Francis Albert]

1 hour ago, Smithee said:

Interesting tha you're complaining about contempt for 17 million leavers, but not interested in the contempt shown for the Scottish electorate's democratically elected representatives. 

It isn't contempt. It is just that everyone knows where the SNP stands and so don't expect to hear anything very interesting. The few who remained were not surprised.

[jake]

11 minutes ago, Martin_T said:

 

The bit I know most about is the medical research part through my involvement in Parkinson's UK, the impact of this on research funding and retaining and attracting top talent has been dreadful.

 

We are fortunate in Edinburgh that freedom of movement has led to us attracting some really talented people from the EU, some of whom I work alongside directly.

 

I see absolutely no benefits at all to leaving the EU and we are certainly not taking back control with May's deal.

I can only comment about what I know about your field.

It's anecdotal.

My friend and his wife have moved abroad years ago .

She is genetics.

The place they moved to wasn't EU governed.

 

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, Francis Albert said:

It isn't contempt. It is just that everyone knows where the SNP stands and so don't expect to hear anything very interesting. The few who remained were not surprised.

It absolutely is contempt

[shaun.lawson]

8 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

 

2. I never suggested the break down on educational lines was not fact. In fact I specifically stated it was a fact. Where we differ it seems to me is on the question of whether education levels are relevant. I  don't think the votes of less educated people are worth less than those who are better educated, nor that the former are likely to come to worse or less valid decisions than the latter. 

 

 

While I could be facetious here and say I miss the days before 1945 when Oxbridge graduates got 2 votes (!), of course I don't think the votes of more educated people are 'more valid'. Everyone's vote counts the same. Your use of 'valid' in the emboldened bit is interesting - because while no, better-educated people don't come to more 'valid' decisions, they will, on the whole, come to much better-informed decisions.

 

If we're seriously suggesting that the latter isn't true, why do we have training for any profession? Why not give Joe Bloggs from down the pub a job as a surgeon? The best protection of democracy and good policy is, and has always been, education. Both Brexit and Trump are a sign of how appallingly our education systems have failed - and just as much, how many people have been discarded as a result of not being well-educated (which of course, isn't their fault).

 

Something else too. In her speech yesterday, Margaret Beckett highlighted that:

 

1. A major medical intervention must be preceded by an assurance that informed consent has been given.

 

2. Consumer protection law allows a 14-day cooling off period for people to make sure they know what they're doing.

 

Could you explain why deciding the political and economic future of an entire country for the next several decades is somehow less important, and should not include similar protections?

[Victorian]

The latest smoke & mirrors act being mooted is that she is going to stage a bogus 'no deal contingency' exercise by having a cross-party group of Privy Council members and other key figures invited along to a COBRA style meeting to set out plans for no deal chaos.

 

Trying to intimidate people into the belief that she can still see it through to no deal.    Project fear.    Project sleight of hand.    Project cling to power to the bitter end.

[Francis Albert]

19 minutes ago, Smithee said:

It absolutely is contempt

In keeping with the pantomime season ... oh no it isn't.

[Francis Albert]

6 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

While I could be facetious here and say I miss the days before 1945 when Oxbridge graduates got 2 votes (!), of course I don't think the votes of more educated people are 'more valid'. Everyone's vote counts the same. Your use of 'valid' in the emboldened bit is interesting - because while no, better-educated people don't come to more 'valid' decisions, they will, on the whole, come to much better-informed decisions.

 

If we're seriously suggesting that the latter isn't true, why do we have training for any profession? Why not give Joe Bloggs from down the pub a job as a surgeon? The best protection of democracy and good policy is, and has always been, education. Both Brexit and Trump are a sign of how appallingly our education systems have failed - and just as much, how many people have been discarded as a result of not being well-educated (which of course, isn't their fault).

 

Something else too. In her speech yesterday, Margaret Beckett highlighted that:

 

1. A major medical intervention must be preceded by an assurance that informed consent has been given.

 

2. Consumer protection law allows a 14-day cooling off period for people to make sure they know what they're doing.

 

Could you explain why deciding the political and economic future of an entire country for the next several decades is somehow less important, and should not include similar protections?

Because we are not talking about major medical intervention or consumer protection and the rights of individuals..

Should we have a cooling off period after the next general election? Independence referendum?

[Francis Albert]

On yesterday's big news about the legal advice I watched the BBC's attempt to show the shocks revealed by the publication. Nothing surprised me in the slightest.

 

But as someone involved in negotiations for 30 years I would have been appalled at the idea of my legal advice being published for my opponents/counterparties to read.

 

Has that great democratic institution the EU Parliament succeed in (or even tried to) see the EU Commission's legal advice on the Brexit transition deal?