Brexit Deal agreed ( updated )

[jake]

5 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Why would the EU elect UK MEPs etc... to any top post? The UK is leaving. Personally I think the SNP MPs should Not! take up their seats and salaries in WM. Do u think The BNP should do the same at Brussels?

Wasnt referring to UK being represented.

 

[jake]

9 hours ago, XB52 said:

Please give me a pint of what jakeball drinks as it must be strong stuff. I don't think I have ever seen a post of his that makes sense but they are fun 

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At least that's something

[jake]

7 hours ago, Cade said:

UK: 

Unelected Head of State (hereditary)

Unelected Second House (some still hereditary)

Unelected Cabinet

Unelected Prime Minister

Bastion of freedom and democracy?

 

I dont hold up Westminster as an example.

[jake]

8 hours ago, Sow Easy said:

Who voted for out next PM? You're fine with that one though eh. Funny that. 

No I'm not.

 

Have you looked at the background of the recent appointments ?

 

Its staggering.

[jake]

When a committed pro European Macron is critical it really says something.

[jake]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjwsp-1u53jAhUR7eAKHY4BDJ8QzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2F2019%2Fjul%2F04%2Fgermans-condemn-own-candidate-for-top-eu-job-ursula-von-der-leyen&psig=AOvVaw0_zUx_0vfxT9PDAaEa8vsn&ust=1562405293219113

[jake]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwidwPXju53jAhUEBWMBHcnQBTEQzPwBCAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Feurope%2Feuropean-commission-president-ursula-von-der-leyen-juncker-eu-parliament-a8987841.html&psig=AOvVaw3NFW0PAZRXnJJS1Ey6jPat&ust=1562405391219657 

 

 

 

They might condemn it.

But they can do sweet fa about it.

 

Quicker we get out the better.

Edited July 5, 2019 by jake

[jake]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj08tCgvJ3jAhUP_RQKHdlgDfAQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fnews%2Farticles%2F2019-05-12%2Feurope-s-newest-finance-minister-wants-to-keep-his-country-white&psig=AOvVaw1tKPp2gKFVlMjjeswbdEWD&ust=1562405518425484

 

Wow.

 

 

[jake]

Hope these links meet with the approval.

Not sure which billionaire owns them.

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[Francis Albert]

8 hours ago, Cade said:

UK: 

Unelected Head of State (hereditary)

Unelected Second House (some still hereditary)

Unelected Cabinet

Unelected Prime Minister

Bastion of freedom and democracy?

 

 The prime minister and cabinet have never been directly elected.  The same is true of all the nations which adopted Westminster-style democracy the track record of which compares favourably in terms of outcomes over time with other democratic systems.

Elected MPs at Westminster (and within a set period the electorate )have power to oust the PM and cabinet members. The EU parliament and electorate don't have any similar powers in relation to the appointees to the  EU posts being discussed here.

UK democracy has serious flaws and needs reforming but compared to the EU the UK is indeed a bastion of democracy.

 

[Seymour M Hersh]

10 hours ago, Sow Easy said:

Who voted for out next PM? You're fine with that one though eh. Funny that. 

 

Who voted for Brown or Sturgeon?

[jake]

Insider trading.

Investigated for corruption.

Led the brutal put down of Catalan protests.

Just a wee snapshot of Europes leaders.

 

That's apart from the neo nazi.

 

Surely the nations and parliament can veto or object to these new leaders chosen behind closed doors?

 

What's that you say.

 

They cant .

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[jake]

The council ignoring parliament to put in place someone not even on the list.

 

Imagine that process being hijacked by white supremacists.

Oh wait one of those appointed is .

 

The parliament unites to condemn this.

 

That will show em .

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[Boris]

6 hours ago, jake said:

Insider trading.

Investigated for corruption.

Led the brutal put down of Catalan protests.

Just a wee snapshot of Europes leaders.

 

That's apart from the neo nazi.

 

Surely the nations and parliament can veto or object to these new leaders chosen behind closed doors?

 

What's that you say.

 

They cant .

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Pretty sure that individual countries vote on who gets the post. May be simple majority?

 

so, for example, the other day May had a casting vote iirc.

 

 

[ri Alban]

Every time someone like Farage, Widdicombe, and Johnson go on about the EU. It just sounds like they're describing the UK. England just hate it because they don't run it. The UK is fine, tho. 

[Pans Jambo]

Is there actually ANY Brexit negotiations on-going???

 

 

 

 

Didnt think so. 

 

Can any of the UKOK happy clappers let us know how many of the “easy” trade negotiations with other countries outside the EU are progressing???

 

Any???

 

Even 1???

 

No???

[jake]

13 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Is there actually ANY Brexit negotiations on-going???

 

 

 

 

Didnt think so. 

 

Can any of the UKOK happy clappers let us know how many of the “easy” trade negotiations with other countries outside the EU are progressing???

 

Any???

 

Even 1???

 

No???

Ukok

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[Trapper John McIntyre]

2 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Every time someone like Farage, Widdicombe, and Johnson go on about the EU. It just sounds like they're describing the UK. England just hate it because they don't run it. The UK is fine, tho. 

 

The English shown some real love by Scot-Nat Racists today.

 

 

 

[SectionDJambo]

The main reason De Gaulle kept blocking Britain's applications for membership of the, then, Common Market, was he thought that, once in, the British would try to tell the rest how to run it. He wasn't that far wrong, although I doubt that he envisaged the way the Common Market turned into an attempt to make a united states of Europe. 

Not many people, in 1972, would have predicted that Germany, France, Italy and Spain, and others, would agree to ditch their own currency to have one common one. The British government were right to avoid that one.

But back on to today, and the lack of any progress by our politicians is a clear assessment of their ability and motivation to think of, and look after, themselves first, before the people.

[jake]

3 hours ago, Boris said:

Pretty sure that individual countries vote on who gets the post. May be simple majority?

 

so, for example, the other day May had a casting vote iirc.

 

 

Was voted for behind closed doors .

 

Anyway I fair enjoyed posting this afternoon as you can imagine.

And Andrew Neil was a joy to watch on This Week.

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You guys have had all the fun lately ?

[Whatever]

4 hours ago, Trapper John McIntyre said:

 

The English shown some real love by Scot-Nat Racists today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Beautiful.

[ri Alban]

7 hours ago, Trapper John McIntyre said:

 

The English shown some real love by Scot-Nat Racists today.

 

 

 

Uncle Tom strikes again. And England isn't a race.

 

 

Anyway, Unelected Monarchy, Unelected second house, unelected PM. That's Democracy for you. 

[ri Alban]

6 hours ago, jake said:

Was voted for behind closed doors .

 

Anyway I fair enjoyed posting this afternoon as you can imagine.

And Andrew Neil was a joy to watch on This Week.

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You guys have had all the fun lately ?

Is that when he wouldn't let the lassie speak. That Portillo needs to board a train with a cliff at the terminal.

[ri Alban]

7 hours ago, Trapper John McIntyre said:

 

The English shown some real love by Scot-Nat Racists today.

 

 

 

Just the last in a line of countries who wanted the same. Stephen from Django.

 

 

Tick Tock!!!

[jake]

1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

Is that when he wouldn't let the lassie speak. That Portillo needs to board a train with a cliff at the terminal.

No it was when the lassie got fried.

 

 

[ri Alban]

5 minutes ago, jake said:

No it was when the lassie got fried.

 

 

Did she, constantly interrupted by 3 brexiters. Uncle Tom, A red Tory and the less said about the Gimp, the better.

[Class of 75]

On 05/07/2019 at 01:39, Sow Easy said:

Who voted for out next PM? You're fine with that one though eh. Funny that. 

Totally agree but just for balance did Labour not do the same with the handover from Blair to Brown? 

[Costanza]

21 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

 The prime minister and cabinet have never been directly elected.  The same is true of all the nations which adopted Westminster-style democracy the track record of which compares favourably in terms of outcomes over time with other democratic systems.

Elected MPs at Westminster (and within a set period the electorate )have power to oust the PM and cabinet members. The EU parliament and electorate don't have any similar powers in relation to the appointees to the  EU posts being discussed here.

UK democracy has serious flaws and needs reforming but compared to the EU the UK is indeed a bastion of democracy.

 

If we are talking about the chairperson of the European Council, then they have to be approved or rejected by the democratically elected EU Parliament by majority vote. 

After being appointed they can be dismissed by the EU Parliament via a vote of censure, essentially a motion of no confidence by the Parliament. 

 

Apologies if I have you talking about the wrong position but if you specify the position and details of why they can't be dismissed that would be grand. 

(Not saying the EU is a pure bastion of democracy btw but it's lack of is consistently overstated)

[Class of 75]

11 hours ago, Trapper John McIntyre said:

 

The English shown some real love by Scot-Nat Racists today.

 

 

 

I wonder what our English born players think of this? Very welcoming indeed. 

[Unknown user]

13 minutes ago, Class of 75 said:

I wonder what our English born players think of this? Very welcoming indeed. 

I'd hope that they choose not to ignore the obvious and understand that there's a world of difference between England and the English.

[Class of 75]

1 hour ago, Smithee said:

I'd hope that they choose not to ignore the obvious and understand that there's a world of difference between England and the English.

I would hope so.  However, I can only imagine what would be said if it was aimed at another nation such as Germany or Spain. 

Edited July 6, 2019 by Class of 75

[Unknown user]

8 minutes ago, Class of 75 said:

I would hope so.  However, I can only imagine what would be said if it was aimed at another nation such as Germany or Spain. 

 

"What a stupid sign, Germany or Spain aren't in charge of Scotland"

[Francis Albert]

England get out of Scotland is itself a pretty stupid sign. Scotland get out of the UK makes sense (as a slogan at least) and Scotland has had the opportunity to do so.

 

(Scotland independent or not can't get out of England or for that matter the big island of the coast of mainland Europe known as Great Britain)

 

Edited July 6, 2019 by Francis Albert

[jake]

4 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Did she, constantly interrupted by 3 brexiters. Uncle Tom, A red Tory and the less said about the Gimp, the better.

Och leave me alone I enjoyed it .

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[Trapper John McIntyre]

6 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Just the last in a line of countries who wanted the same. Stephen from Django.

 

 

Tick Tock!!!

 Even their own kind are ashamed. But not the JKB Sair Elbie battalion apparently.

 

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[Class of 75]

1 hour ago, Smithee said:

 

"What a stupid sign, Germany or Spain aren't in charge of Scotland"

Yes I appreciate that, although many would argue to the contrary, England is not Britain and neither are the English in charge of Scotland. 

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

31 minutes ago, Class of 75 said:

Yes I appreciate that, although many would argue to the contrary, England is not Britain and neither are the English in charge of Scotland. 

Yet, we're being forced to leave Europe against our wishes. 

[Unknown user]

19 minutes ago, Class of 75 said:

Yes I appreciate that, although many would argue to the contrary, England is not Britain and neither are the English in charge of Scotland. 

 

Only you are taking about the English.

[jake]

1 hour ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

Yet, we're being forced to leave Europe against our wishes. 

Unfortunately we voted to remain part of the UK.

Fortunately imo that clouds silver lining resulted in brexit.

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

4 minutes ago, jake said:

Unfortunately we voted to remain part of the UK.

Fortunately imo that clouds silver lining resulted in brexit.

Yes, England rule us.

[Francis Albert]

4 hours ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

Yet, we're being forced to leave Europe against our wishes. 

Scotland voted in 2014 to allow Westminster to continue taking decisions like the one to leave the EU.

And a million Scots voted leave.

[ri Alban]

4 hours ago, jake said:

Unfortunately we voted to remain part of the UK.

Fortunately imo that clouds silver lining resulted in brexit.

This! Hell mend us.

[ri Alban]

1 hour ago, Francis Albert said:

Scotland voted in 2014 to allow Westminster to continue taking decisions like the one to leave the EU.

And a million Scots voted leave.

Scots!, Really?!? Oh and while I'm here, 2 million Scots didn't vote no. Probably  1.1m + 900,000 rUK, EU and RoW citizens residing in Scotland. 

Edited July 6, 2019 by ri Alban

[jake]

1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

Scots!, Really?!? Oh and while I'm here, 2 million Scots didn't vote no. Probably  1.1m + 900,000 rUK, EU and RoW citizens residing in Scotland. 

I dont understand this post.

What are you wanting ?

Who should qualify to vote ?

 

You are either a citizen of Scotland entitled to vote or not.

 

If I said how many muslims or foreign voters voted to remain in Scotland you would be chasing me all over the forum.

 

Have I picked you up wrong?

[ri Alban]

11 minutes ago, jake said:

I dont understand this post.

What are you wanting ?

Who should qualify to vote ?

 

You are either a citizen of Scotland entitled to vote or not.

 

If I said how many muslims or foreign voters voted to remain in Scotland you would be chasing me all over the forum.

 

Have I picked you up wrong

Scots of all races voted for independence. None Scots of all races voted no. Scots born no voters of all races are British. They can go and take a feck to themselves. And hopefully they'll pay for their treasonous acts.

 

The Scottish electorate voted no. Scots voted Yes. 

I don't really care what colour, or religion folk are. But stop this pish that Scots voted no. They didn't.

Edited July 6, 2019 by ri Alban

[Don Dan]

13 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

And hopefully they'll pay for their treasonous acts.

 

Statements like that are why I would never vote for Independence. By the way I’m Scottish (Scots) as are my family and we all voted NO. So take your crap and shove it. You and your kind are divisive and hateful and show no respect for those Scots who voted No and Leave. PS I voted Remain but will never ever vote Yes when we have people like you promoting it.

 

Edited July 6, 2019 by Dannie Boy
Corrected wording.

[jake]

21 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Scots of all races voted for independence. None Scots of all races voted no. Scots born no voters of all races are British. They can go and take a feck to themselves. And hopefully they'll pay for their treasonous acts.

 

The Scottish electorate voted no. Scots voted Yes. 

I don't really care what colour, or religion folk are. But stop this pish that Scots voted no. They didn't.

So only Scots born have validity?

 

[jake]

23 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Scots of all races voted for independence. None Scots of all races voted no. Scots born no voters of all races are British. They can go and take a feck to themselves. And hopefully they'll pay for their treasonous acts.

 

The Scottish electorate voted no. Scots voted Yes. 

I don't really care what colour, or religion folk are. But stop this pish that Scots voted no. They didn't.

You are aware that certain people say Muslims are not a race?

So how can it be racist.

 

Not saying you are alban it's just trying to say the argument for independence is strong enough not to break it down in the way you do.

 

Genuinely not having a go btw.

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 hour ago, Dannie Boy said:

 

Statements like that are why I would never vote for Independence. By the way I’m Scottish (Scots) as are my family and we all voted NO. So take your crap and shove it. You and your kind are divisive and hateful and show no respect for those Scots who voted No and Leave. PS I voted Remain but will never ever vote Yes when we have people like you promoting it.

 

[jake]

1 minute ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Hows that funny ?