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Cruyff Turn
1 minute ago, Notts1874 said:

Reports that Macron is going to tell us to get bent with this pathetic request for an extension.

Barnier basically saying the same. 

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Francis Albert
29 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Agree with Junker. If we get an extension till end of June then we are out of the EU at that date come what may as we won't have any MEPs then. Extend it till the elections or for 2 years and hold elections for our MEPs. It all looks like May doing everything she can to force MPs to vote for her deal. A deal nobody actually wants

I suspect a lot of Leave voters want the deal compared to any other options likely to be available. But Leavers I suppose count as nobodies. 

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2 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said:

Barnier basically saying the same. 

I was hoping someone would reply with the French translation for get bent ??

 

Seemingly she phoned Junker before she went into PMQs saying she had sent the letter and what was in it. He told her that would be a non starter.

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Cruyff Turn
1 minute ago, Notts1874 said:

I was hoping someone would reply with the French translation for get bent ??

 

Seemingly she phoned Junker before she went into PMQs saying she had sent the letter and what was in it. He told her that would be a non starter.

All of them are saying the same, we need a coherent plan that will pass and Junker saying that she shouldn’t get an extension beyond EU elections on the 23rd of May. 

 

Plans for No deal to go ahead on Monday.

 

1trillion worth of U.K. assets are being moved to the EU in preparation.

 

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Cruyff Turn
12 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

I suspect a lot of Leave voters want the deal compared to any other options likely to be available. But Leavers I suppose count as nobodies. 

Ugov Poll today saying that Leavers would back No deal over Mays deal

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She intimated that she would resign or call an election if parliament forced a long extension.     Obviously forced into it by the hardliners,    as well as trying to frighten the house into voting for her deal.    The EU should exploit that by only offering the long version.    Get shot of May,    move it on to another stage where someone else takes over and starts negotiating without the damaging red lines.     

 

Come what may though,    something big will have to break and could soon.    Or maybe the EU is so sickened by May's absurdity that they just want a quick,  clean break and will live with the consequences.    

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Francis Albert
14 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said:

Ugov Poll today saying that Leavers would back No deal over Mays deal

That doesn't contradict what I said.

But maybe in this poll too the minority are nobodies.

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11 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

That doesn't contradict what I said.

But maybe in this poll too the minority are nobodies.

Who has said leavers are nobodies?

 

I will answer that for you. Nobody apart from you with your usual contrary trolling.

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I P Knightley
17 hours ago, Class of 75 said:

Yet those calling for a second referendum or a so called people's vote are democratic? 

 

17 hours ago, Class of 75 said:

But they have already voted. They voted to Leave. There should be no need to vote again on an issue which has already been decided nearly 3 years ago. 

What are you scared of? Surely if it remains the right thing to do, and the nearly three years of learning about it that we've had have endorsed the decision, then the result would be the same?

 

 

16 hours ago, Class of 75 said:

This is what is wrong with the country at the moment. Should we just keep going until a certain side get what they want?  Imagine it in football terms? If Hearts were to lose the cup final do we have a replay to get a win?

You're being silly. We'd go away and spend time analysing what we hadn't done correctly; make whatever changes we could and come back next year and have another pop. The biggest problem with your analogy is that it's not a once and for all cup - there'll be another next year.

 

It was a binary vote in which both sides knew what they were voting for and I think to suggest otherwise is disrespectful to the electorate. I voted to Leave the EU and fully understood what I was voting for. Why is the same question not asked of those who voted to remain? 

But they didn't know what they were voting for, did they? Some thought that they were going to deliver £350m a week to the NHS; some thought that the vote meant they wouldn't see any Poles or Pakistanis the following morning. That's not being disrepectful to the electorate; the leave campaign lied and pulled the wool over their eyes. Why shouldn't they have believed what they were being told by their political leaders?

 

With all due respect, there's no way that you could have understood what you were voting for. No one in the country knew what the next steps would be. You might have had your own expectations - I think we all did - but that's a lot different to knowing. You should be angry that you were lied to and fell for it.

 

 

16 hours ago, Class of 75 said:

What has happened is the democratically elite never expected the result of the referendum and have tried their best to frustrate that result ever since. What happens if we have a general election where people disagree with the result? Do we run it again just to please those who didn't get their wish? 

First point - I think you're right and it's shameful of Cameron, May and others that they were so complacent in the run up to the referendum that they didn't put together a strong counterargument to the lies and deceits of the Leave campaign. Cameron realised he'd dropped a bollock and rather than try to put it right, he's effed off to sit on his millions with his junky wife, leaving May with the hot potato.

 

If we disagree with a general election result, we have to put up with it for five years but we have a chance to rectify it next time round. Brexit is a once and for all decision and only the foolish would go into without weighing up the pros and cons properly and thinking about the harm it could do as well as the potential benefits.

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Francis Albert
4 hours ago, Justin Z said:

 

 

 

 

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Seeing as only 37.5% of the British electorate voted to Leave, I'm really not sure where you're going with any of this.

 

 

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I think it is simply that a smaller proportion voted to Remain. There have been numerous posts on here in effect claiming that that those who didn't vote somehow count as remainers.

Maybe for major changes there should be a threshold or super majority requirement but I don't remember many suggesons on those lines before the vote gave the wrong result..

I think there is also a problem in that such a rule benefits the status quo (although in fact remain was effectively supporting not just the status quo but the inevitable move to "ever closer union")

So I suspect most Independence supporters would oppose it.

And most of those supporting Corbyn's socialist revolution would also oppose it.

(Incidentally an attempt to implement Corbyn's dream would see a level of opposition from the Lords, the Courts, the Speaker, business, the financial and currency markets etc that would make the current opposition to Leave look like a teddy bears picnic. Some of those cheering the  "Resistance" to implementing the Referendum outcome should have some pause for thought).

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Francis Albert
2 minutes ago, Notts1874 said:

Who has said leavers are nobodies?

 

I will answer that for you. Nobody apart from you with your usual contrary trolling.

Well your answer is wrong. I was replying to a post that said nobody wants May's deal by saying some Leavers would prefer it to any other likely alternative. That seems self evidently true. So the post I was replying to was dismissing some Leavers as "nobodies".

If anyone was (and is) trolling it wasn't (isn't) me.

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Francis Albert
18 minutes ago, I P Knightley said:

 

What are you scared of? Surely if it remains the right thing to do, and the nearly three years of learning about it that we've had have endorsed the decision, then the result would be the same?

 

 

 

Just on this one, substantive discussions ("meaningful" discussions in the current jargon) on the post-Brexit relationship between the EU and UK have not even begun. So far we have a draft transition agreement.

 

So how far has our knowledge of a post-Brexit world really advanced.

 

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Never mind the Brexit loons lobbying Hungary and Italy, France are saying that without a clear and coherent plan for May's Deal to get ratified in the UK parliament, there is no way they'll agree to any extension of Article 50.

They will not let us simply kick the can further down the road only to try and force the exact same thing through parliament for a 3rd or 4th or 5th time.

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Jambo-Jimbo
5 minutes ago, Cade said:

Never mind the Brexit loons lobbying Hungary and Italy, France are saying that without a clear and coherent plan for May's Deal to get ratified in the UK parliament, there is no way they'll agree to any extension of Article 50.

They will not let us simply kick the can further down the road only to try and force the exact same thing through parliament for a 3rd or 4th or 5th time.

 

There was a report last week on Sky News that some EU countries but France in particular were starting to have the opinion that it's maybe better 'to lance this boil now' as it was put, instead of this kicking the can down the road for a few months and then find things are exactly the same as before, better to let the UK leave with 'no deal' and then deal with the fall-out of a 'no deal' withdrawl, the theory being that everyone would have more clarity and business' could then move forward, instead of this limbo we currently are in.

 

Can't blame the EU for finally losing patience with the UK.

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Francis Albert
23 minutes ago, Cade said:

Never mind the Brexit loons lobbying Hungary and Italy, France are saying that without a clear and coherent plan for May's Deal to get ratified in the UK parliament, there is no way they'll agree to any extension of Article 50.

They will not let us simply kick the can further down the road only to try and force the exact same thing through parliament for a 3rd or 4th or 5th time.

Macron's position is interesting. Brexit has got in the way of his efforts (with a willing but more restrained Merkel) to press on with the next stages of "ever closer union" - a strengthened Central European Bank with greater fiscal and monetary control and the first moves towards military integration. The ink was barely dry on the (non-binding)  "Political Declaration" on the future UK/EU relationship before Macron reneged on aspects of its references to fishing policy in favour of French fishermen. I think Macron would see a reluctant UK hanging around in the EU and obstructing the path towards the dream of an "ever closer union" future at best a mixed blessing.

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22 hours ago, Toggie88 said:

My feeling at this moment is Theresa May will be gone pretty soon - wouldn't be surprised if it was this week tbh. 

 

21 hours ago, Jamboelite said:

No chance, as no one will touch that job with a shitty stick until this is moved forward.

 

Its like a game of pass the parcel with a live hand grenade.

 

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Francis Albert

Meanwhile unemployment in the UK has fallen to its lowest level in 44 years. Not saying it has much to do with Brexit or even that it might not be still lower but for Brexit, but I bet an increase in unemployment would be all over the news as another Brexit blow to the UK.

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Rumours May is going to call a General Election. 

This would be the 3rd in 5 years and given the people have already spoken twice, would be an affront to democracy surely...

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manaliveits105

In Spain and just heard a Spanish guy telling someone if his party wins coming elections there will be a referendum to leave EU within a year

Love to see Barnier and Junkers etc faces when the walls come crumbin down

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And in other news, the leader of Farage's brand new "Brexit Party" has quit after she was exposed as a racist and islamophobe.

 

I am shocked.

 

Shocked!

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Costanza said:

Rumours May is going to call a General Election. 

This would be the 3rd in 5 years and given the people have already spoken twice, would be an affront to democracy surely...

I hope she does.

 

Labour voters will desert in droves

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Cruyff Turn

Paddy power have suspended betting on a General Election after the Irish PM announced that TM would make a statement before the U.K. Gov did. ?

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51 minutes ago, Costanza said:

Rumours May is going to call a General Election. 

This would be the 3rd in 5 years and given the people have already spoken twice, would be an affront to democracy surely...

 

Addressing the Nation according to Varadkar this evening. 

Straw poll!? 

Extension of Article 50 and a General Election. 

 

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54 minutes ago, Costanza said:

Rumours May is going to call a General Election. 

This would be the 3rd in 5 years and given the people have already spoken twice, would be an affront to democracy surely...

 

Not sure how that helps

 

Got 8 days to get Deal agreed.

 

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Francis Albert
19 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said:

 

Addressing the Nation according to Varadkar this evening. 

Straw poll!? 

Extension of Article 50 and a General Election. 

 

Varadkar acting as the new Downing Street spokesperson? If the UK PM did the reverse it would be an outrageous example of the UK's continuing imperialist attitude towards Ireland.

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E U bang on..So this is how it works.May deal or no deal.Scum bag Moggs and his NAZI friends vote down Mays deal for a no deal.The remain Tories join Labour and bring down May.Labour wins election on a remain ticket. Brexit must be defeated only 35% voted for it.

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France Holland ect after U K jobs. We will all move over and join them.Oh I forgot I cannot work in another country but my Polish friend can. Like Hitler 1930,s

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Francis Albert
4 minutes ago, Jambo100 said:

E U bang on..So this is how it works.May deal or no deal.Scum bag Moggs and his NAZI friends vote down Mays deal for a no deal.The remain Tories join Labour and bring down May.Labour wins election on a remain ticket. Brexit must be defeated only 35% voted for it.

General Elections have been won with a lot less than 35% of the electorate. In fact I doubt many have ever been won with a larger share of the electorate. And please look up what "Nazi" means.

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Francis Albert
5 minutes ago, Jambo100 said:

France Holland ect after U K jobs. We will all move over and join them.Oh I forgot I cannot work in another country but my Polish friend can. Like Hitler 1930,s

Your Polish friend certainly could have "enjoyed" working in another country in the 1930s. Germany or Russia or most of Europe. Probably not for long though.

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UK Government Office of National Statistics is currently defining employment as working 1 or more hour a week.

 

Lowest level in 44 years . . .

 

:Aye:

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2 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

UK Government Office of National Statistics is currently defining employment as working 1 or more hour a week.

 

Lowest level in 44 years . . .

 

:Aye:

 

Businesses have failed to invest in improved technology. Instead relying on labour. Lower productivity. 

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Just don't see her calling an election.    Especially before she's had another shot at her deal.     I think it's likely to be an address to the nation to spin a load of utter lies about how parliament has failed them.    Should have voted for the deal.    Should have provided alternatives.    Lies to leavers about a possible no-Brexit.    Lies to remainers about no-deal.      Menacing MPs with the retribution of their voters.

 

That's all it will be.

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Dominic Grieve didn't mince his words in condemnation of May.      We need much more of that.     They need to line up to take out the trash on her.     Moderates in cabinet clearly aren't for resigning so the Tory back bench moderates need to step up.     

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If No Deal is bad May and the Tories will be blamed.

 

At all times keeping the lid on divisions on Europe in the Tory party has been the priority.

 

But that has always been delaying the inevitable. 

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The Comedian
41 minutes ago, Jambo100 said:

France Holland ect after U K jobs. We will all move over and join them.Oh I forgot I cannot work in another country but my Polish friend can. Like Hitler 1930,s

 

^^^^Pished^^^^

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1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

If No Deal is bad May and the Tories will be blamed.

 

At all times keeping the lid on divisions on Europe in the Tory party has been the priority.

 

But that has always been delaying the inevitable. 

 

No way.    The blame will be cast elsewhere.     By May and her useless cabinet in the short term.     By all Tories in the longer term.      In the long term,    normal party political mud slinging will return for elections,   etc.     The Brexit fiasco will be blamed on Labour,   in the main.    

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2 minutes ago, Cade said:

Feck knows what the daft auld boot is going to come out with at 8pm.

 

95% chance of it being meaningless waffle though.

 

Any one of us could probably write her speech and replicate what she'll say.     You can see it a mile off.

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28 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

UK Government Office of National Statistics is currently defining employment as working 1 or more hour a week.

 

Lowest level in 44 years . . .

 

:Aye:

I'm pretty sure I read it's actually one hour per fortnight!

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She is a stubborn obstinate c%%% .  She needs to go asap.  She will blame everyone but herself tonight in her " speech to the nation" abdicating any responsibility for the shambles we are in.  She will end the speech by stating clearly " we will leave Europe". Thatll give the Brexit mob an erection. 

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She's meeting opposition leaders now.     The only thing of any use I can see happening is that she's telling them she'll resign very soon in exchange for them allowing a free vote on the deal.     It wont affect the SNP or probably LD but a free vote for Labour would yield a good few.    Allow that and she'll step aside for the next phase.     

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4 hours ago, Notts1874 said:

Who has said leavers are nobodies?

 

I will answer that for you. Nobody apart from you with your usual contrary trolling.

See when you take the decision not to engage in his trolling and contrary posts your life becomes much more enjoyable on here.

 

In other news christ knows what May is doing but its not going to be good.

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