Boof Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 45 minutes ago, Smithee said: Wonder what we'll spend the brexit dividend on £350 million a week for the NHS, don'tcha know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: Do you think the average person will care about diplomats discussing agriculture? That's what most of the talks will be about. Respect the 17.4 m who actually voted for precisely this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Smithee said: It used to be a bad thing to be caught lying, now it doesn't matter as long as you're jeering in the right direction. Absolutely this. You only have to look at the previous records of some of the characters currently in the good books. Dishonesty used to be terminal. Now it's like a 10 minute sin-binning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Lots of reports suggesting a revised programme timetable for the bill has been discussed today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: Do you think the average person will care about diplomats discussing agriculture? That's what most of the talks will be about. No. But people will care about another sham negotiation to run the clock down to an end of transition phase no-deal. Brexit will go quiet. It will go under the radar. That's not a good thing when the gvt are hell bent on sabotaging it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, Victorian said: No. But people will care about another sham negotiation to run the clock down to an end of transition phase no-deal. Brexit will go quiet. It will go under the radar. That's not a good thing when the gvt are hell bent on sabotaging it. Why has nobody told the DUP about this? I thought they would be ecstatic with No Deal. Were they not invited to the ERG Whatsapp group? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: Why has nobody told the DUP about this? I thought they would be ecstatic with No Deal. Were they not invited to the ERG Whatsapp group? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 An example of a lie is that we're paying an extra £1 billion a month to stay in EU. Actually that money is removed from final settlement now £33 billion instead of £39 billion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 57 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Lots of reports suggesting a revised programme timetable for the bill has been discussed today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 MoreDonald Tusk Donald Tusk In my phone call with PM @BorisJohnson I gave reasons why I’m recommending the EU27 accept the UK request for an extension. BERLIN — Germany will not oppose any proposal by the European Union to grant Britain an extension to leave the bloc beyond its Oct. 31 deadline, a spokesman for Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Wednesday. “I can’t anticipate the outcome of consultations,” Steffen Seibert told a regular news conference. “But I can say on behalf of the federal government that Germany will not stand in the way of an extension.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Victorian said: To be honest, the political machine has been a vehicle for personal benefit for a very long time. It's not a new thing by any means. But there once was a reasonable, credible level of responsibility and even duty, which is now greatly diminished. Lately it's been much easier for the grossly self serving political pygmies to hide in plain sight. The cacophony of Brexit allows them to switch, pivot, u-turn, lie, disown previous positions. The embodiment of which is of course Mark Francois VC DSO BAR. Reprehensible little shitehawk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Ooft 3 month extention could cause the brexit party to win lots of the tories of seats. Labour will probably become the 3rd party to the lib dems. Crazy time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 This could go on for years. Let’s say we leave in the next few months and the predicted financial disaster actually happens. What is stopping a political party running an election campaign with the promise of another referendum to decide if we wish to re apply for membership of the EU? The EU has suggested they would let us back in. Cameron opened up Pandora’s Box when he caved in to his irritating “pals”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 34 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: Ooft 3 month extention could cause the brexit party to win lots of the tories of seats. Labour will probably become the 3rd party to the lib dems. Crazy time You mean the Labour party who ran last election campaign backing Brexit and lost ground to the Lib Dems? I reckon Labour losses to the Brexit Party in the north of England will be substantial giving Boris and Nigel Farage a free hit at a hard Brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said: The embodiment of which is of course Mark Francois VC DSO BAR. Reprehensible little shitehawk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 51 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: Ooft 3 month extention could cause the brexit party to win lots of the tories of seats. Labour will probably become the 3rd party to the lib dems. Crazy time BP wont win any more than small single figures, if any at all. What they will do is get votes, most of which will be to the detriment of the Tories. The Tories could lose or be deprived of gains to the tune of 50 seats or more due to the BP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 EU confirm they will extend Article 50 until all leave voters have died Addressing reporters in Brussels this morning, European Council president Donald Tusk explained, “Boris Johnson’s deal is even worse for Britain than Theresa’s. All the forecasts suggest that any Brexit – deal or no deal – will be catastrophic for the United Kingdom, and despite them sticking two fingers up at us with the 2016 referendum, we do actually care about their well-being as a nation. That is what the EU is all about, after all.” He continued, “So we will happily grant the UK an extension to Article 50 until all the Leave voters have died, which demographic analysis suggests won’t be all that long. Then we can just forget that all this happened and go back to building a prosperous union of countries.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Brexit Party have jumped the shark. Especially with Farage trashing the deal for his own gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribble Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 4 hours ago, RobboM said: Respect the 17.4 m who actually voted for precisely this! I do respect them, so much so that I believe they want what's best for the country and will be open minded enough to re-assess the additional information made available over the last three years and after reflecting on it they will then vote, yes or no, either way they will make a more informed decision than either side could have in 2016.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Victorian said: BP wont win any more than small single figures, if any at all. What they will do is get votes, most of which will be to the detriment of the Tories. The Tories could lose or be deprived of gains to the tune of 50 seats or more due to the BP. I think BP will take the Brexit voting Labour seats Corbyn has shafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Have we left yet? What's happening, noo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Have we left yet? What's happening, noo? We left yesterday mate. It was on the news after a lead story about Meghan and Harry's travails with the press, fears of another Beast from the East and latest round up of Strictly 👍 Turned out everyone was happy with Boris's deal and Speaker Bercow led the singing of "For He's A Jolly Good Fellow" Edited October 23, 2019 by RobboM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 hours ago, SectionDJambo said: This could go on for years. Let’s say we leave in the next few months and the predicted financial disaster actually happens. What is stopping a political party running an election campaign with the promise of another referendum to decide if we wish to re apply for membership of the EU? The EU has suggested they would let us back in. Cameron opened up Pandora’s Box when he caved in to his irritating “pals”. Cameron had to have the referendum as UKIP were eating up conservative votes. No one thought for one second we would vote to leave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 31 minutes ago, frankblack said: I think BP will take the Brexit voting Labour seats Corbyn has shafted. How has Corbyn shafted them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, RobboM said: We left yesterday mate. It was on the news after a lead story about Meghan and Harry's travails with the press, fears of another Beast from the East and latest round up of Strictly 👍 Turned out everyone was happy with Boris's deal and Speaker Bercow led the singing of "For He's A Jolly Good Fellow" Marvelous! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 5 hours ago, Smithee said: It used to be a bad thing to be caught lying, now it doesn't matter as long as you're jeering in the right direction. Or just telling Parliament that it doesn’t matter if its long standing convention for the devolved assemblys to vote on approving legislation that affects them. Its nothing to do with Scottish MPs..... Boris Johnson in the commons today. Abhorrent is an understatement imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Boris said: How has Corbyn shafted them? Cos Frank says. He knows how it’s all going to pan out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Google sycamore will make this irrelevant. We're all fecked, now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 27 minutes ago, frankblack said: I think BP will take the Brexit voting Labour seats Corbyn has shafted. I have an acquaintance, originally from North East England, whom I upset a couple of days ago by saying that he was "right-wing". I didn't mean it as a slur in any way, it's just that he is massively pro-Brexit, anti-immigration (despite having an Eastern European wife), and a climate change denier. Everything he has talked about politically to me has been right-wing. He almost lost the head at me. "How dare you call me a right winger! I've always been for the working classes, anti-Tory, anti-Thatcher! And now, because of Labour's position, I'm having to vote Tory, even the Brexit Party if they have a candidate standing!" It came as a wee bit of a surprise to me but I had some takeaways from our conversation: (i) Some folk who think they are left-wing, who come from a socialist background, are now in fact right-wing as they have grown older. They just don't realise that fact. (ii) These folk, despite coming from a "my father voted Labour, my father's father voted Labour..." background are more than willing to vote for right-wing. even intensely right-wing parties, over the Brexit issue. (iii) Labour are probably screwed. The only way they will get into power in the election is if they team up with the Lib Dems while the Tories and Brexit Party go head to head and divide the Brexit vote in two. The next election will all be about deals between the candidate parties as to who sits, or actively campaigns, in each electoral district. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, sadj said: Or just telling Parliament that it doesn’t matter if its long standing convention for the devolved assemblys to vote on approving legislation that affects them. Its nothing to do with Scottish MPs..... Boris Johnson in the commons today. Abhorrent is an understatement imo Constitutional matters are exclusively for Westminster. There is no convention for the Scottish Parliament to have any input. It is a reserved power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: Constitutional matters are exclusively for Westminster. There is no convention for the Scottish Parliament to have any input. It is a reserved power. Going by the reports i was reading there is elements of it that affect Scottish people in a way that means the Scottish MSPs should be included in approving. Interesting the Tories are saying do it yet the DUP , Plaid Cymru and SNP are dead set against this deal for reasons that it will adversely affect their people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Just now, sadj said: Going by the reports i was reading there is elements of it that affect Scottish people in a way that means the Scottish MSPs should be included in approving. Interesting the Tories are saying do it yet the DUP , Plaid Cymru and SNP are dead set against this deal for reasons that it will adversely affect their people. Devolved powers being withheld also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Devolved parliament consent is competent per the Sewel Convention but the lizard government have already ignored that and proceeded without the consent. They will do so again. Primarily because they can but with the added bonus that there is political capital to be derived in England from demonstrating that the SNP / Scotland / Scottish people can be rendered unimportant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Victorian said: Devolved parliament consent is competent per the Sewel Convention but the lizard government have already ignored that and proceeded without the consent. They will do so again. Primarily because they can but with the added bonus that there is political capital to be derived in England from demonstrating that the SNP / Scotland / Scottish people can be rendered unimportant. They can because a 2016 court case said so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: They can because a 2016 court case said so. Indeed. So they can, as nobody is arguing against. But there's more value in suggesting that the devolved parliaments have got nothing to do with it, because that plays better than being respectful and explaining why the consent will not be sought or desired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1091364/The-truth-Tory-council-education-chief-used-IRA-moll.html?fbclid=IwAR1VzJbAHfuJzsR_nCmcSnElcmXOJFLwjUGZ-k9rc7de4TsbHFybHa6hfFA https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/dup-terror-links-skeletons-cupboard-10593921?fbclid=IwAR3YN5XbCheOtBrwojq3rK3oQxxMTVvdAj4FEyQQl1AA2uUCvDZ7XxEt7fw Just a reminder to Boris when casting anything up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Just reading some of the reflections on last night's vote approving Second Reading. Several Labour MPs who voted for it are open to voting against it at final vote it it isn't changed to what Labour want. So maybe Government thinks it needs a general election to pass the deal anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 52 minutes ago, Victorian said: Devolved parliament consent is competent per the Sewel Convention but the lizard government have already ignored that and proceeded without the consent. They will do so again. Primarily because they can but with the added bonus that there is political capital to be derived in England from demonstrating that the SNP / Scotland / Scottish people can be rendered unimportant. That plays well up here too for a certain demographic. I’d actually go as far to say they’ll be overjoyed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Victorian said: Edited October 23, 2019 by jack D and coke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Just reading some of the reflections on last night's vote approving Second Reading. Several Labour MPs who voted for it are open to voting against it at final vote it it isn't changed to what Labour want. So maybe Government thinks it needs a general election to pass the deal anyway. Correct. Lots of MPs openly said they were voting for the motion in order to move to the committee stage in order to amend the deal. Openly stating they were against the deal as it stands. The house voted against the timetable proposed for it, meaning it can't proceed as it stands. Yet Johnson and some of his gravy train passengers insist on saying the the deal has been "approved". It clearly hasn't. It hasn't even been approved for debate and amendments until it is accompanied by a programme motion. It's been carried in principle... for the purpose of improvement. Yet Johnson goes bouncing around saying yet another lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: That plays well up here too for a certain demographic. I’d actually go as far to say they’ll be overjoyed. Also true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 The reports of Cummings banging the table today demanding a 'GE now' when Corbyn and his oppo were proposing a more realistic timetable for the passage of the Brexit bill is absolutely priceless. They've no idea what to do next and the Cummings/Johnson losing streak has put the fear into them. Labour aren't guaranteed to agree to calling a GE either. Its probably not all panning out how he imagined it in his dreams 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Peter Oborne (ex Telegraph political chief) exposed what he's saying is a group of senior political journalists (inc Kuenssberg and Peston) who have become willing participants in No10s propaganda machine. Shovelling on whatever No10 "feral smear merchants" supply, without interrogation of the information. Who knew? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Andrew Marr apologised to Priti Patel for his ludicrous outburst to her supposedly laughing during an interview (she wasn't). It was a typically embarrassing Marr howler. Did I miss the apology to Shami Chakrabarti for him aggressively bullying her? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Justin Z Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 4 hours ago, dobmisterdobster said: They can because a 2016 court case said so. The PM's withdrawal bill lists 17 instances where legislative consent is required. You can have a look if you like. https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2019-2020/0007/en/20007en.pdf Does this mean the Supreme Court wouldn't make a mockery of devolution, again, and uphold a Westminster decision to ignore Sewel? No, they probably would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, Zlatanable said: Sounds like the #Yes movement The **** it does, get Scotland away from this monstrous parliament that has such contempt for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Just now, Zlatanable said: Monstrous as in rats? Rats that are all over Scotland, holding Scots and Scotland back? Monstrous as in disgusting, immoral, corrupt, broken, dishonest, abusive. Scotland couldn't govern herself better than that shower of utter ****s? Please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Ah, back to Scotland. Meanwhile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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