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The Mighty Thor
3 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Hiding behind data protection and employment law.     Some valid logic but this could be forced out in court,    especially since it feeds into the ongoing prorogation hearings.    

Now that would be a great shout. 

Forced to hand over the documents to the supreme court. 

 

Shitehawks the ****ing lot of them. 

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Just now, Mikey1874 said:

It's an interesting question now. Boris said No Deal is okay. Supported too by many people, nearly a majority in polls. What will the public think now? 

 

What will they think of Boris?

 

 

I don't think people's minds will be changing, even with the redacted publication of Yellowhammer. We all live in our echo chambers now, sadly. It would take something of immense proportions to turn voters away from Leave, in a similar way that it would take something of immense proportions to turn voters away from Trump in the US.

 

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1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

It's an interesting question now. Boris said No Deal is okay. Supported too by many people, nearly a majority in polls. What will the public think now? 

 

What will they think of Boris?

 

 

They'll give it 2 seconds of serious thought and decide it's all going to be ok... and if it isn't it will be someone else's fault.    EU.   Corbyn.   Anna Soubry.   Bercow.

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29 minutes ago, Victorian said:

It only takes a glance to see that the government is acting directly against the national interest and it's solemn prime directive of protecting the population.

 

They're getting deeper and deeper into a very serious hole.

Can't think why they wouldn't be acting in the national interest...

 

 

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/09/11/brexit-disaster-capitalism-8-billion-bet-on-no-deal-crash-out-by-boris-johnsons-leave-backers/

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Now that would be a great shout. 

Forced to hand over the documents to the supreme court. 

 

Shitehawks the ****ing lot of them. 

 

Could be a cute move actually.    Government protects itself from being sued by advisors for breaching employment law,  etc... knowing it will be forced out in court anyway.

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25 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

It won't be though. It's up to Boris to recall Parliament, until the Supreme Court decides that the prorogation is invalid (if it does indeed declare that), and there's not a ghost of a chance of him doing so.

 

It does seem unclear.

 

But another view is Parliament effectively is still in session after court decision and the Speaker can do it. 

 

But because Court of Session withheld directing what was to happen in deference to Supreme Court hearing it might be no one will do anything. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

It does seem unclear.

 

But another view is Parliament effectively is still in session after court decision and the Speaker can do it. 

 

But because Court of Session withheld directing what was to happen in deference to Supreme Court hearing it might be no one will do anything. 

 

 

Yup, I think the last point is the nub.

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Government recalling parliament = a signed confession that prorogation was done for a political reason.    Not happening.     Supreme Court will rule on legality and may or may not rule regarding recall.     

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32 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

Sunday Times journalist who got the leak 2 weeks ago is saying its the same document with a new title. 

 

What the government at the time said was out of date. Another lie. 

 

 

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15. Facing EU tariffs makes petrol exports to the EU uncompetitive. Industry had plans to mitigate the impact on refinery margins and profitability but UK Government policy to set petrol import tariffs at 0% inadvertently undermines these plans.

This leads to significant financial losses and announcement of two refinery closures (and transition to import terminals) and direct job losses (about 2000).

Resulting strike action at refineries would lead to disruptions to fuel availability for 1-2 weeks in the regions directly supplied by the refineries.

 

In other words: the UK oil industry is fecked.

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5 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

 

 

Do you know if the copy leaked to the Sunday Times was redacted or not? Surely the Government wouldn't have redacted a document that had already essentially been leaked. If they did do so, we would know what they had redacted.

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1 minute ago, Cade said:

15. Facing EU tariffs makes petrol exports to the EU uncompetitive. Industry had plans to mitigate the impact on refinery margins and profitability but UK Government policy to set petrol import tariffs at 0% inadvertently undermines these plans.

This leads to significant financial losses and announcement of two refinery closures (and transition to import terminals) and direct job losses (about 2000).

Resulting strike action at refineries would lead to disruptions to fuel availability for 1-2 weeks in the regions directly supplied by the refineries.

 

:davebp:

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1 minute ago, redjambo said:

 

Do you know if the copy leaked to the Sunday Times was redacted or not? Surely the Government wouldn't have redacted a document that had already essentially been leaked. If they did do so, we would know what they had redacted.

 

 

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Just now, Cade said:

15. Facing EU tariffs makes petrol exports to the EU uncompetitive. Industry had plans to mitigate the impact on refinery margins and profitability but UK Government policy to set petrol import tariffs at 0% inadvertently undermines these plans.

This leads to significant financial losses and announcement of two refinery closures (and transition to import terminals) and direct job losses (about 2000).

Resulting strike action at refineries would lead to disruptions to fuel availability for 1-2 weeks in the regions directly supplied by the refineries.

Just read that here as well.

The journalist who broke the story says the version she saw was Base scenario but the government now phrasing it as "reasonable worst case".

 

 

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Just now, Mikey1874 said:

 

 

 

How could they be so stupid? And how could they be so stupid to think that we are all so stupid?

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The Mighty Thor
19 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

:davebp:

Hopefully the job losses will be in leave voting constituencies, just so they get that Brexit dividend first hand. 

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1 minute ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Hopefully the job losses will be in leave voting constituencies, just so they get that Brexit dividend first hand. 

 

Petty, but fair.

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2 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Hopefully the job losses will be in leave voting constituencies, just so they get that Brexit dividend first hand. 

 

If there was no deal and if these kind of predictions do occur,   undoubtedly there will be many,  many leavers and latter day 'we need to get this done now like... so it's just done... and finished like... now-ers' who would be directly affected.     But a lot of them will be quite happy to be convinced it's all the fault of the EU,  etc.      Anything is better than facing up to the lies they were sold.

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Just now, Victorian said:

 

If there was no deal and if these kind of predictions do occur,   undoubtedly there will be many,  many leavers and latter day 'we need to get this done now like... so it's just done... and finished like... now-ers' who would be directly affected.     But a lot of them will be quite happy to be convinced it's all the fault of the EU,  etc.      Anything is better than facing up to the lies they were sold.

 

They'll turn against the Government quickly. 

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Just now, Mikey1874 said:

 

They'll turn against the Government quickly. 

 

Some will.   Some will find a way to blame something else.    Never under-estimate the need in people to believe they were still right.

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10 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Petty, but fair.

Fair? I don’t think Remain voters in those constituencies would necessarily agree. Just collateral damage?

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I don't actively wish any ill effects on anybody.     Much more keen to see how this information is explained by the government and what action they'll face in the event of it happening.

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Project fear though eh?

 

This government is a ****ing shambles.  Preying on the vulnerable, a large proportion of whom voted to leave and will suffer the consequences more than others.  

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1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

It's an interesting question now. Boris said No Deal is okay. Supported too by many people, nearly a majority in polls. What will the public think now? 

 

What will they think of Boris?

 

 

That he’s a stooge getting his plums pulled by his pay masters within the Tory party.. who are desperate for brexit! Rees-Moog and his ilk are too smart to put themselves out front so they picked the big stupid one to be the whipping boy. 

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29 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Farage, Cameron, Boris & Mogg etc deserve a prison sentence IMO. 

Lying snake oil salesmen. Disgusting. 

 

I'm on this guys side

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Kwarteng smearing the impartiality of Scottish judges by saying that "people up and down the country" are questioning their impartiality.      Not him though.

 

Aye... not much.     A new low.

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7 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Kwarteng smearing the impartiality of Scottish judges by saying that "people up and down the country" are questioning their impartiality.      Not him though.

 

Aye... not much.     A new low.

Are they really?

 

Highest legal court in Scotland. 

 

Bloody SNP!!!

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11 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Kwarteng smearing the impartiality of Scottish judges by saying that "people up and down the country" are questioning their impartiality.      Not him though.

 

Aye... not much.     A new low.

 

That's slimy behaviour if true.

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It is indeed the latest slitherings of a well known snake of a man.     Either:

 

1.    He's simply making it up in order to smear by invented proxy.

 

2.    People ARE saying these things.    But if they are... doesn't that simply make them utterly ignorant and therefore not even worth quoting?     There is no relevance to such profoundly ignorant nonsense and it adds nothing to the importance of the judgement.

 

People say we didn't land on the moon.    People say Adolf Hitler was working as a London bus conductor until 1973.    

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15 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Kwarteng smearing the impartiality of Scottish judges by saying that "people up and down the country" are questioning their impartiality.      Not him though.

 

Aye... not much.     A new low.

 

Would he have said it if they’d up held the original decision.. no he wouldn’t!

It’s getting embarrassing now how much they’re trying to cover up this farce. Do they really think we’re that stupid!

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3 minutes ago, Victorian said:

It is indeed the latest slitherings of a well known snake of a man.     Either:

 

1.    He's simply making it up in order to smear by invented proxy.

 

2.    People ARE saying these things.    But if they are... doesn't that simply make them utterly ignorant and therefore not even worth quoting?     There is no relevance to such profoundly ignorant nonsense and it adds nothing to the importance of the judgement.

 

People say we didn't land on the moon.    People say Adolf Hitler was working as a London bus conductor until 1973.    

 

Even if they weren't saying these things, some will be now because of statements like that. People are so easily led. How do we ever remedy that?

 

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1 hour ago, Lee_Mellon said:

Fair? I don’t think Remain voters in those constituencies would necessarily agree. Just collateral damage?

 

Oh, **** up. "Fair" was a comment on the sentiment, not the reality.

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2 minutes ago, Rudy T said:

 

Would he have said it if they’d up held the original decision.. no he wouldn’t!

It’s getting embarrassing now how much they’re trying to cover up this farce. Do they really think we’re that stupid!

 

It's profoundly twisted.     To give relevance to incredibly stupid beliefs (real or assumed),   whilst distancing himself from those views.      So what is the purpose of relating berserk views to the decision?     I'm at a loss to think of any other credible purpose other than to degrade the validity of the ruling and/or the role of the courts to police an executive which is now dangerously out of control.

 

Bad,  bad times.

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Just now, Lee_Mellon said:

What’s behind the stars Justin?

 

The f word. "F up" means something entirely different in the States but I enjoy its airy, non-serious nature here in Scotland.

 

Anyway, relax on ol' Grand Moff, he may have been responsible for destroying an entire planet but he was commenting on a hypothetical, nothing more.

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5 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Even if they weren't saying these things, some will be now because of statements like that. People are so easily led. How do we ever remedy that?

 

 

That is the purpose.    Pitting people against an independent and highly learned judiciary.      Absolute DNA match for dictatorship.     

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1 minute ago, Justin Z said:

 

The f word. "F up" means something entirely different in the States but I enjoy its airy, non-serious nature here in Scotland.

 

Anyway, relax on ol' Grand Moff, he may have been responsible for destroying an entire planet but he was commenting on a hypothetical, nothing more.

Thanks for confirming my opinion of your posting style.

 

I don’t really care how hypothetical it is - for me, it was a cynical response to a cynical post by the Norse god.

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Just now, Lee_Mellon said:

Thanks for confirming my opinion of your posting style.

 

I don’t really care how hypothetical it is - for me, it was a cynical response to a cynical post by the Norse god.

 

Happy to confirm on both accounts, mate. :thumbsup: Your opinion in each case is gash, so I'm not bothered.

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1 hour ago, Rudy T said:

 

That he’s a stooge getting his plums pulled by his pay masters within the Tory party.. who are desperate for brexit! Rees-Moog and his ilk are too smart to put themselves out front so they picked the big stupid one to be the whipping boy. 

Interesting theory.

 

Has credible mileage.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Pans Jambo said:

Farage, Cameron, Boris & Mogg etc deserve a prison sentence IMO. 

Lying snake oil salesmen. Disgusting. 

Ach what's a £70k fine amongst multi, multi millionaire friends.

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1 hour ago, Victorian said:

Kwarteng smearing the impartiality of Scottish judges by saying that "people up and down the country" are questioning their impartiality.      Not him though.

 

Aye... not much.     A new low.

His mother is/was a barrister

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Jambo, Goodbye
3 hours ago, Costanza said:

Just read that here as well.

The journalist who broke the story says the version she saw was Base scenario but the government now phrasing it as "reasonable worst case".

 

 

Another lie from the government I suspect. The Doctor that had a wee spat with Mogg rebutted the idea that it was worst case scenario when a Tory MP suggested this on BBC news last week. 

 

He was behind the findings of Yellowhammer and said it was absolutely not worst case scenario.

 

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