Brexit Deal agreed ( updated )

[Don Dan]

Latest poll has 59% in UK nowc want to rejoin the EU. Most finally have seen the light. Sooner we have another referendum the better

[Cade]

bloody anti growth coalition remoaner traitors

 

Edited October 11, 2022 by Cade

[Don Dan]

[Ulysses]

13 hours ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

Not according to the US, who have a massive influence on the outcome, whether we like it or not!

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-63201671

 

And even if a ‘resolution’ is eventually found, the Brexit-induced U.K. brain drain doesn’t evaporate, it merely slows.

 

 

 

 

In fairness to, er, me, I'd say that link kinda supports rather than contradicts what I said.  The US is giving its messaging about the need for the British government not to take unilateral action.  Meanwhile, London, Brussels and Dublin are changing the mood music and setting up the parameters for a solution.  London is finding that it shouldn't have been so hardline with the EU and with Ireland, and senior Brexiteers have even expressed regret for their part in that.  Brussels is discovering that with the benefit of hindsight it didn't need the rules on GB to NI goods shipment to be quite as tough as they were written in the Protocol, so it is developing and refining a much-reduced set of checks.  Dublin is suggesting that it can live with far fewer checks (true, they're less of a worry for us than for the Continent).  All in all, the three parties seem to be finding pathways where before they weren't, and they've set themselves a deadline of October 28th to put a solution in place to avoid fresh elections in NI.

 

I was intrigued by a couple of references by senior Irish political figures to the possibility of rethinking and "surprise", and I wonder if one of the things they'll do is not just simplify the Protocol, but repackage and retitle it.  That way it also gives the DUP a way to find the new arrangements more acceptable - in turn paving the way for the Assembly to reconvene and appoint an Executive with a Sinn Féin First Minister.  They might stop short of that renaming, but I really don't think anyone cares what title is given to the arrangements as long as they work.

[Ulysses]

8 hours ago, Imaman said:

Latest poll has 59% in UK nowc want to rejoin the EU. Most finally have seen the light. Sooner we have another referendum the better

 

You can have almost all the benefits of EU connections, and avoid some of the things most likely to cause offence, without having to rejoin.  Norway and Switzerland have this sussed.

[Unknown user]

14 hours ago, Cade said:

 

  Expected visitors: 66 million (no, really). Actual visitors: 240,000.

 

Expected visitors - everyone

[Unknown user]

14 hours ago, Cade said:

 

  Expected visitors: 66 million (no, really). Actual visitors: 240,000.

 

Expected visitors - everyone

[JudyJudyJudy]

Worth a watch 

 

 

 

[RobboM]

On 12/10/2022 at 01:29, Ulysses said:

 

You can have almost all the benefits of EU connections, and avoid some of the things most likely to cause offence, without having to rejoin.  Norway and Switzerland have this sussed.

What became apparent, in the years of negotiation after the referendum, is that the only Brexit that did really mean Brexit is the shit show we have. Any compromise or softening would have been the opportunity for Brexiteers to pin the blame of its near inevitable failure on that compromise. Sovereignty, for all its amorphous qualities, was the goal but just became worthless sand that trickled through fingers once grasped. Where once the UK within the EU could trade its sovereignty like a trump card in almost all matters of importance. Now sovereignty hangs useless, flaccid and wrinkled raised only by the viagra of a GB News rant.

Got to be rejoin on as close to original terms as practicable.

[JudyJudyJudy]

[Don Dan]

 

 

 

[Don Dan]

Oops! 
 

https://twitter.com/shalchi_a/status/1580557547983220736?s=20

[Don Dan]

Lest we forget!

 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

In today's bears shit in woods headline

 

 

Easiest trade deal in human history. 

[periodictabledancer]

13 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

In today's bears shit in woods headline

 

 

Easiest trade deal in human history. 

"...and trade from the EU to UK by 20% relative to the scenario in which Brexit had not occurred. ..."

 

I know a guy who does logistics for Screwfix, he works at their biggest UK distribution centre.

He's from the EU and has done logistics across Europe & Russia. He told me the cost of importing from EU went through the roof after brexit , MUCH longer timescales to get goods through customs paperwork , delays at ports , additional labour (driver) costs etc. This was about 4 years ago. He predicted there would be a slow down in trade  because they couldn't pass on the additional costs to customers so had to be more selective about what type of goods they import now. 

[ri Alban]

 

[ri Alban]

On 20/10/2022 at 09:52, periodictabledancer said:

"...and trade from the EU to UK by 20% relative to the scenario in which Brexit had not occurred. ..."

 

I know a guy who does logistics for Screwfix, he works at their biggest UK distribution centre.

He's from the EU and has done logistics across Europe & Russia. He told me the cost of importing from EU went through the roof after brexit , MUCH longer timescales to get goods through customs paperwork , delays at ports , additional labour (driver) costs etc. This was about 4 years ago. He predicted there would be a slow down in trade  because they couldn't pass on the additional costs to customers so had to be more selective about what type of goods they import now. 

And the EU is 8 times bigger. Small fry to them.

Edited October 21, 2022 by ri Alban

[WorldChampions1902]

2 hours ago, ri Alban said:

 

A great video, which should be compulsory viewing by some on here before they start posting their utter sh**e on this topic.
 

It was predicted that Brexit would inflict a 4% reduction in our GDP, and that is what is now unfolding. A £100 Billion loss costing our Exchequer £40 Billion, as reinforced in the interviews. The exact amount that now has to be shaved off Public Services when Jeremy Hunt announces his fiscal statement on 31 October. Yet another colossal degradation of our NHS, Benefits Payments, Education, Policing et al.
 

If you voted for Brexit, you voted to severely hobble those public services. Well done.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

8 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

A great video, which should be compulsory viewing by some on here before they start posting their utter sh**e on this topic.
 

It was predicted that Brexit would inflict a 4% reduction in our GDP, and that is what is now unfolding. A £100 Billion loss costing our Exchequer £40 Billion, as reinforced in the interviews. The exact amount that now has to be shaved off Public Services when Jeremy Hunt announces his fiscal statement on 31 October. Yet another colossal degradation of our NHS, Benefits Payments, Education, Policing et al.
 

If you voted for Brexit, you voted to severely hobble those public services. Well done.

The fuds who promoted Brexit think we’re living in the time of Henry Viii

[Don Dan]

There is a growing movement to rejoin the EU I suspect that’s why there is a growing push to bring back Boris. 
The leavers are crapping themselves because of this. 

[WorldChampions1902]

Just now, Imaman said:

There is a growing movement to rejoin the EU I suspect that’s why there is a growing push to bring back Boris. 
The leavers are crapping themselves because of this. 

“They’re trying to steal our Brexit!”  

[Benny Factor]

Some utter reprobate in Spaffer's constituency on Sky News earlier....

 

"They need to bring Boris back, he got us out of Brexit!!"

[WorldChampions1902]

That damn Tofu-eating, Guardian reading, anti-growth coalition propaganda coming out of the BBC on Brexit. Or maybe not.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-63426412

[doctor jambo]

On 12/10/2022 at 01:29, Ulysses said:

 

You can have almost all the benefits of EU connections, and avoid some of the things most likely to cause offence, without having to rejoin.  Norway and Switzerland have this sussed.

I just want to rejoin the EU.

I was really proud of it, and my maroon passport, and being a euro Scot…

Losing my citizenship against my will due to a bunch of bigots and ****tards is really annoying.

the only people thicker appear to be in N Ireland who are moaning that they are still lashed to the EU - are they feckin blind?!

[Unknown user]

3 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

I just want to rejoin the EU.

I was really proud of it, and my maroon passport, and being a euro Scot…

Losing my citizenship against my will due to a bunch of bigots and ****tards is really annoying.

the only people thicker appear to be in N Ireland who are moaning that they are still lashed to the EU - are they feckin blind?!

 

I find myself agreeing with you more and more these days.

Brexit was a ****ing stupid thing to do, but not as stupid as failing to recognise it or the need to do something about it.

[redjambo]

1 hour ago, doctor jambo said:

I just want to rejoin the EU.

I was really proud of it, and my maroon passport, and being a euro Scot…

Losing my citizenship against my will due to a bunch of bigots and ****tards is really annoying.

the only people thicker appear to be in N Ireland who are moaning that they are still lashed to the EU - are they feckin blind?!

 

You and me too, Doc.

[WorldChampions1902]

6 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

I just want to rejoin the EU.

I was really proud of it, and my maroon passport, and being a euro Scot…

Losing my citizenship against my will due to a bunch of bigots and ****tards is really annoying.

the only people thicker appear to be in N Ireland who are moaning that they are still lashed to the EU - are they feckin blind?!

Especially as NI’s economy has massively out-performed the rest of the U.K., due to their far more favourable EU trading arrangements. Whilst the UK’s economy is well on the way to a minus 4% hit to GDP (as was predicted), NI’s economy is going in the opposite direction. Talk about wanting to shoot yourself in the foot!

[Cade]

Aye but you're assuming that the DUP are normal, rational people.

They don't give a single shiny shite that NI is one of the better performing economic areas of the UK due to still being in the customs union.

All they care about is the gobshite fiction that NI is no different than any other region of the UK. Here's a hint ya bams; it never has been.

[periodictabledancer]

[ri Alban]

What would be so bad about joining the Euro?

[briever]

[Unknown user]

What are we doing in this situation?

It's obvious that brexit is a train wreck, a really stupid idea and it's been badly implemented.

 

Why can't people, politicians, media, just acknowledge it might be better to rejoin, and explore our options?

 

What a stupid country

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, Smithee said:

What are we doing in this situation?

It's obvious that brexit is a train wreck, a really stupid idea and it's been badly implemented.

 

Why can't people, politicians, media, just acknowledge it might be better to rejoin, and explore our options?

 

What a stupid country

England only want Unions where they do the telling.

[Ulysses]

On 29/10/2022 at 11:52, doctor jambo said:

I just want to rejoin the EU.

I was really proud of it, and my maroon passport, and being a euro Scot…

Losing my citizenship against my will due to a bunch of bigots and ****tards is really annoying.

the only people thicker appear to be in N Ireland who are moaning that they are still lashed to the EU - are they feckin blind?!

 

The UK shouldn't (and IMO won't) rejoin the EU.  However it is possible for the UK to regain most of the economic and social benefits of EU membership without rejoining, thereby having the capacity to operate reasonably independent trade policies - and making the NI Protocol redundant and unnecessary.

[Ulysses]

On 29/10/2022 at 18:17, WorldChampions1902 said:

Especially as NI’s economy has massively out-performed the rest of the U.K., due to their far more favourable EU trading arrangements. Whilst the UK’s economy is well on the way to a minus 4% hit to GDP (as was predicted), NI’s economy is going in the opposite direction. Talk about wanting to shoot yourself in the foot!

 

On 29/10/2022 at 18:46, Cade said:

Aye but you're assuming that the DUP are normal, rational people.

They don't give a single shiny shite that NI is one of the better performing economic areas of the UK due to still being in the customs union.

All they care about is the gobshite fiction that NI is no different than any other region of the UK. Here's a hint ya bams; it never has been.

 

The leader of the DUP has claimed that one of the NHS Trusts in NI had to delay cardiac procedures because of the Protocol.  He claimed that the problem was because equipment couldn't be ordered from GB due to the Protocol and had to be brought in from Germany.

 

The Trust issued a statement pointing out that the particular type of replacement equipment couldn't be found in time in GB or in Ireland, and was ordered from Germany.  The Trust didn't delay procedures; it transferred the patients to another Trust while waiting for the replacement equipment.

 

The DUP leader has repeated his claims despite the Trust's statement.

Edited November 2, 2022 by Ulysses

[Watt-Zeefuik]

9 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

The UK shouldn't (and IMO won't) rejoin the EU.  However it is possible for the UK to regain most of the economic and social benefits of EU membership without rejoining, thereby having the capacity to operate reasonably independent trade policies - and making the NI Protocol redundant and unnecessary.

Why not?

[Don Dan]

Regrets, we’ve had a few. Some Tories regret getting rid of Boris Johnson after all the recent turmoil. His (eventual) successor Rishi Sunak is in full “je regette tout” mode, U-turning on everything from fracking to retained. EU law – admitting every manifesto pledge is now reversible. But one of the big political regrets of 2022 appears to be Brexit. Polling legend Sir John Curtice said Brexit is now less popular than at any point since 2016. A new survey shows support for re-joining the EU at 57 to 43 per cent. Curtice said it looks as though the big 2016 referendum would be as “unsuccessful” as the 1975 common market referendum in providing a permanent settlement to the Europe question. Meanwhile, Northern Ireland remains permanently unsettled. NI secretary Chris Heaton-Harris was accused of sowing “chaos” after he failed to set a date for a winter election, despite the deadline for the resumption of powersharing at Stormont passing. The DUP said more talks were “pointless”, as all the parties urged Heaton-Harris to hurry up and get it over with it.

[ri Alban]

 

[ri Alban]

The Scottish Government should apply for eu membership now. Get the ball rolling for post independence. Join the Euro anaw.  I don't see the problem with the Euro.

Edited November 5, 2022 by ri Alban

[ri Alban]

 

[ri Alban]

 

[Ulysses]

On 03/11/2022 at 04:05, Led Tasso said:

Why not?

 

We don't suit you.

[Ulysses]

Just now, Ulysses said:

 

We don't suit you.

 

The EU doesn't suit the UK, that is.

[The Mighty Thor]

London loses top spot as Europe's prime stock exchange. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63623502

 

[RobboM]

3 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

London loses top spot as Europe's prime stock exchange. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63623502

 

The wins just never stop!

Add in Brexiteer Tory Minister Eustice revealing just how shit the trade deals with Aus & NZ are

Add in this wee beauty too. Brexit just keeps on giving
 

 

[WorldChampions1902]

1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said:

London loses top spot as Europe's prime stock exchange. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63623502

 

Utterly tragic but the so-called “scaremongers” predicted exactly that. And this is not a one-off. The London Stock Market will continue to lose ground. All of which means less revenue flowing into the U.K. Exchequer, at a time when we are witnessing eye-watering tax levels and cuts to public services. 
 

Well done Leavers.

[RobboM]

2 hours ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

Utterly tragic but the so-called “scaremongers” predicted exactly that. And this is not a one-off. The London Stock Market will continue to lose ground. All of which means less revenue flowing into the U.K. Exchequer, at a time when we are witnessing eye-watering tax levels and cuts to public services. 
 

Well done Leavers.

Brexit Broke Britain

[ri Alban]

Starmer thought rejoining was a barrier to the keys of number 10. He's gone all in Brexit, when it looks like the majority of England is now regretting it and would vote to return. And I think the EU would give England the same luxury they had before they left. 

[jack D and coke]

3 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Starmer thought rejoining was a barrier to the keys of number 10. He's gone all in Brexit, when it looks like the majority of England is now regretting it and would vote to return. And I think the EU would give England the same luxury they had before they left. 

Not so sure. LBC had a caller last week from one of the smaller countries I can’t remember where again and he listed a silly amount of benefits these countries had hoovered up since Britain left. 
Theyd block a re-entry on the terms britain had. 
Get back in? Of course, but never on the same terms. 

[SectionDJambo]

3 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Starmer thought rejoining was a barrier to the keys of number 10. He's gone all in Brexit, when it looks like the majority of England is now regretting it and would vote to return. And I think the EU would give England the same luxury they had before they left. 

There'll still be a lot of Leavers who are convinced it'll turn out great, whether by current ERG propaganda or embarrassment at believing the big red bus slogan. Where's that 350 million for the NHS then?

All based on lies, xenophobia and personal gain for a few people with influence.