Don Dan Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2018/mar/28/11-brexit-promises-leavers-quietly-dropped?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other 1 Promise Brexit will be easy, and have no downsides Brexit will be easy, and have no downsides There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside David Davis 10 October 2016 The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want Michael Gove 9 April 2016 Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards John Redwood July 17 2016 The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history Liam Fox 20 July 2017 Reality David Davis now says: ‘Nobody has ever pretended this will be easy. I have always said this negotiation will be tough, complex and at times confrontational’ 2 Promise Trade talks would take place in parallel with divorce talks Trade talks would take place in parallel with divorce talks How on earth do you resolve the issue of the border with Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland unless you know what our general borders policy is, what the customs agreement is, what our trade agreement is? It’s wholly illogical … That’ll be the row of the summer David Davis 14 May 2017 Most of the EU states are very sympathetic to our view David Davis 15 May 2017 We have to establish the ground rules. The first crisis or argument is is going to be over the question of sequencing David Davis 21 May 2017 Reality Davis caved in on the first day of talks on 19 June 2017 3 Promise The UK did not need a transition deal and would not be subject to EU rules or budgets during one The UK did not need a transition deal and would not be subject to EU rules or budgets during one We're not really interested in a transition deal, but we'll consider one to be kind to the EU David Davis 15 November 2016 The idea that we’ll do a transitional arrangement where you’re still in, paying money, still with free movement of people – that we’ll do the long-term deal in slow motion … That is plainly not what we’re after David Davis 15 March 2016 We made it clear that control of our own borders was one of the elements we wanted in the referendum, and unregulated free movement [during transition] would seem to me not to keep faith with that decision Liam Fox 30 July 2016 Reality The UK will have to abide by all EU rules and regulations including those agreed by members states during the 21-month transition 4 Promise The transition serves merely to implement the final trade deal, which would be agreed by Brexit day The transition serves merely to implement the final trade deal, which would be agreed by Brexit day I believe that we can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded before March 2019 David Davis 18 January 2017 The point of the implementation period is to put in place the practical changes necessary to move to the future partnership, and for that you need to know what the future partnership is going to be Theresa May 23 October 2017 Reality The transition period will be used to negotiate (as much as possible) of the future relationship, not to implement a relationship that is already agreed Many EU capitals believe even the 21-month transition period will not be anywhere near long enough to conclude a comprehensive free trade agreement and will have to be extended. 5 Promise The transition would be short but open-ended The transition would be short but open-ended The period’s duration should be determined simply by how long it will take to prepare and implement the new processes and new systems that will underpin the future partnership Government transition paper 21 February 2018 These considerations point to an implementation period of around two years Theresa May 22 September 2017 Reality The period is fixed at 21 months, with no easy way to extend it This merely postpones the regulatory cliff edge business is desperate to avoid until December 2020. Even this measure of stability is uncertain, since the transition period could be rescinded if there is not wider agreement this autumn. 6 Promise The UK would owe no money to the EU after it left in March 2019 The UK would owe no money to the EU after it left in March 2019 The last time we went through line by line and challenged quite a lot of the legal basis of these things, and we'll continue to do that … [Of rumours of a £40bn bill:] They sort of made that up David Davis 25 September 2017 Because we will no longer be members of the single market, we will not be required to pay huge sums into the EU budget Theresa May 17 January 2017 The sums I have seen that they propose to demand from this country seem to me to be extortionate and I think that ‘go whistle’ is an entirely appropriate expression Boris Johnson 11 July 2017 Reality UK told EU in November 2017 that it was ready to honour its share of all financial commitments made while it was a member of the bloc, estimated at €40bn to €45bn, through the transition period It has since become clear payments will continue until about 2064, and indefinitely if the UK wants to continue to be part of EU agencies and programmes. 7 Promise A raft of new trade deals would be ready on 29 March 2019 A raft of new trade deals would be ready on 29 March 2019 Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU … The new trade agreements will come into force at the point of exit, but they will be fully negotiated David Davis 14 July 2016 Reality Britain has won the right to negotiate deals with third countries during the transition period (not before) but they cannot be implemented until after December 2020 New deals will anyway take a long time to negotiate, especially since few countries are likely to want to sign them until they know the state of the UK’s final relationship with the EU. And while the EU will ask third countries with which it has trade deals to keep Britain in them, there is no certainty they will. 8 Promise A high-tech customs solution would make frictionless borders simple A high-tech customs solution would make frictionless borders simple The UK is currently implementing a new customs declaration service, which will replace the existing HMRC customs system. This is a high-priority project within government and HMRC is on track to deliver by January 2019 Department for Exiting the EU 15 August 2017 I am confident that using the most up-to-date technology, we can get a non-visible border operational along the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland David Davis 5 September 2017 Reality Theresa May now concedes customs arrangements are difficult and will take time to set up May told the Commons liaison committee on 27 March 2018: "I think it is fair to say that, as we get into the detail and as we look at these arrangements, then what becomes clear is that sometimes the timetables that have originally been set are not the timetables that are necessary when you actually start to look at the detail and when you delve into what it really is that you want to be able to achieve." 9 Promise Free movement would come to an end on 29 March 2019; any EU citizens arriving after that date would be subject to a different immigration regime Free movement would come to an end on 29 March 2019; any EU citizens arriving after that date would be subject to a different immigration regime Free movement would come to an end on 29 March 2019; any EU citizens arriving after that date would be subject to a different immigration regime It is a simple matter of fact that the four key principles of the European Union include free movement – we won’t be a member of the European Union when we leave Brandon Lewis 27 July 2017 Free movement will end in March 2019 Government spokesperson July 31 2017 I’m clear that there is a difference between those people who come prior to us leaving and those who will come when they know the UK is no longer a member Theresa May 1 February 2017 Reality Free movement continues, the only difference being a registration system for newcomers Even May's commitment that arrivals after Brexit day would be treated differently was abandoned in the negotiations. EU citizens arriving in Britain before the end of the transition period will be treated as before. 10 Promise There would be no role for the European court of justice in Britain after Brexit day There would be no role for the European court of justice in Britain after Brexit day The simple truth is we are leaving. We are going to be outside the reach of the European court David Davis 14 May 2017 The authority of EU law in this country has ended forever … We are not leaving only to return to the jurisdiction of the ECJ. That’s not going to happen Theresa May 5 October 2016 Reality The ECJ will have full jurisdiction during the transition period and the ECJ interpretation of relevant civil rights laws are likely to hold thereafter In addition, the transition agreement makes clear that Britain will be “consulted” but is expected to ensure the “proper implementation and application” of all new draft EU rules and regulations during transition. 11 Promise Britain will take back control of its fisheries after Brexit Britain will take back control of its fisheries after Brexit Leaving the EU means we will take back full control of our territorial waters and for the first time in 50 years will be able to grant fishing access for other countries on our terms Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs 3 August 2017 The UK will regain control over our domestic fisheries management rules and access to our waters Theresa May 3 March 2017 Reality The EU will have continued access to UK fishing waters throughout the transition period and has demanded reciprocal access afterwards too as a condition of any future trade deal So, Britain has a new prime minister. Liz Truss was elevated to office, like her two Tory predecessors, without most of the voting public even having a say. It’s a thin mandate for someone facing such a fat pile of problems: energy, inflation, strikes, the NHS, recession, climate. Heating and eating. These are urgent issues for Guardian readers. So every day, we will report on Truss and her team, vetting her administration for competence, fairness and judgement in these matters. Independent and unafraid of powerful people, the Guardian has an illustrious track record of scrutinising those in office. We have no shareholders and no billionaire owner, just the determination and passion to deliver significant, meaningful journalism, free from commercial or political influence. And we publish all this for free, for everyone to read. We do this because we believe in information equality. As a result, tens of millions read our work every month, turning to us in moments of crisis, uncertainty, solidarity and hope. 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manaliveits105 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Time to move on we are where we are comrades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldChampions1902 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 31 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Time to move on we are where we are comrades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Liz Truss says she's prepared to take the difficult decisions to generate economic growth like cutting the cap on bankers bonuses. On that logic we'll be rejoining the single market and customs union as I have full trust in Truss taking the difficult decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 "When a clown enters the Palace, he does not become King. The palace becomes a circus." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Cade said: "When a clown enters the Palace, he does not become King. The palace becomes a circus." Apt. Especially given the recent posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Stupid woman speaks with forked tongue . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 It benefits no one if she’s murder. But you already get the feeling she’s going to be murder. It was bizarre seeing Johnson this last few weeks and seeing the ridiculous clown he is now. He had some respect just for being PM but now he looks utterly ridiculous again…how in the **** did he become PM?! I suspect Truss will be seen similarly in about a year. She’s a balloon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 8 hours ago, jack D and coke said: It benefits no one if she’s murder. But you already get the feeling she’s going to be murder. It was bizarre seeing Johnson this last few weeks and seeing the ridiculous clown he is now. He had some respect just for being PM but now he looks utterly ridiculous again…how in the **** did he become PM?! I suspect Truss will be seen similarly in about a year. She’s a balloon. You've got the cultists still pining for 'ar Boris' and now we've got the new deputy PM saying in the commons we've only been in power for two weeks. 😂 Twelve years of economic vandalism and the best they've got is Truss and that creature Coffey giving it we've only been in two weeks. It's a mental illness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: You've got the cultists still pining for 'ar Boris' and now we've got the new deputy PM saying in the commons we've only been in power for two weeks. 😂 Twelve years of economic vandalism and the best they've got is Truss and that creature Coffey giving it we've only been in two weeks. It's a mental illness. All Labour need to say is "Where was this Election, 2 weeks ago?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Mind the magic money tree of labour. Truss has found the nursery. And people on UC must take any job offered to them. Even in a different region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, ri Alban said: All Labour need to say is "Where was this Election, 2 weeks ago?" What is this I’m seeing on twitter this morning about some Labour expose? Not sure what channel but seeing people suggesting Starmer should go. Anti semitism again apparently. Anyone who thinks Labour are the answer is a bit of a thicko. Even if they get in they’re seeing through the same stuff. If we have any spine we’ll get out. I imagine we don’t have the spine though so we just have to suck all this up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: What is this I’m seeing on twitter this morning about some Labour expose? Not sure what channel but seeing people suggesting Starmer should go. Anti semitism again apparently. Anyone who thinks Labour are the answer is a bit of a thicko. Even if they get in they’re seeing through the same stuff. If we have any spine we’ll get out. I imagine we don’t have the spine though so we just have to suck all this up. I'd rather the SNP and Alba Mps withdrew from WM and let them get on with it. While we leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: What is this I’m seeing on twitter this morning about some Labour expose? Not sure what channel but seeing people suggesting Starmer should go. Anti semitism again apparently. Anyone who thinks Labour are the answer is a bit of a thicko. Even if they get in they’re seeing through the same stuff. If we have any spine we’ll get out. I imagine we don’t have the spine though so we just have to suck all this up. Angie been at it again ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Angie been at it again ? It’s a strange curiosity where she’s concerned. I can’t work out if I think she’s alright or not… Would I? Like an Alsatian at a big bowl of stovies. Edited September 23, 2022 by jack D and coke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 16 hours ago, manaliveits105 said: Time to move on we are where we are comrades Except we're not where we were promised the country we would be. Far from it, and six years later. The country has moved on but brexit still isn't "done". It's just some of the country (the 52% bit, I'd guess ) doesn't want to be reminded what a catastrophic failure it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Maybe NI will go before Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 On 22/09/2022 at 07:37, The Mighty Thor said: Our economy isn't strong enough to cope with that. It would send us into a recession/borderline depression Maybe, though I actually think the damage would be over the longer term rather than an immediate recession. But who knows? One way or the other, it's time for the UK to act its age and implement what it has agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Slopes Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 52 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Maybe NI will go before Scotland. Sinn Fein the largest party An economic border down the Irish sea And now confirmation that they are now and always going to be a minority in a statelet gerrymandered into existence to ensure them a permanent majority If and when Scotland leaves the UK expect mass suicides in Luyal Ulstuur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Slopes said: Sinn Fein the largest party An economic border down the Irish sea And now confirmation that they are now and always going to be a minority in a statelet gerrymandered into existence to ensure them a permanent majority If and when Scotland leaves the UK expect mass suicides in Luyal Ulstuur Probably just come hame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Ulysses said: Maybe, though I actually think the damage would be over the longer term rather than an immediate recession. But who knows? One way or the other, it's time for the UK to act its age and implement what it has agreed. One man's agreement is another man's terrorist, or something like that. It's the elephant in the phone box for the Brexiters. They're going to have to do it at some point and it's going to tear whatever fabric is left on the arse of the UKs troosers clean away. The UK is absolutely on its knees economically and its got no friends left to protect it. The speculators are going to go for the jugular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HartleyLegend3 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 Is brexit the biggest con job in the world "ever" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, HartleyLegend3 said: Is brexit the biggest con job in the world "ever" George Eustace said in the summer they'd fixed the problem of lack of crop pickers by increasing temp visas - to thirty thousand. It didn't fix the problem and it won't. The bulk of these migrant workers came from Ukraine and they're not retruning in the numbers required because of the war. For EU workers, they won't come because Patel* won't recognize their ID cards. Since many don't have passports they won't get one just for 6 weeks work in the UK. This isn't going to change. Another entirely predictable brexit bonus. In the meantime EU hgv drivers STILL have better terms than their UK counterparts do in the EU (part of the "golden hello" to entice them in) and we're still toiling with that shortage. * She may be gone but the law remains in place. Edited September 25, 2022 by periodictabledancer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WorldChampions1902 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 7 hours ago, ri Alban said: From the 2 minute mark, JOB absolutely nails the immigration issue and what he has been predicting (as did many other), is about to come to pass. When he says, “I haven’t met a racist who wasn’t for Brexit”, that is certainly my experience. The “brown face” brigade are in for a wake-up call. Project Reality continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 20 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said: From the 2 minute mark, JOB absolutely nails the immigration issue and what he has been predicting (as did many other), is about to come to pass. When he says, “I haven’t met a racist who wasn’t for Brexit”, that is certainly my experience. The “brown face” brigade are in for a wake-up call. Project Reality continues. Farage is reportedly greeting his eyes out abut the record levels of immigration under the UKIP/BNP/ENP Junta. Arseholes like him stopped the immigration of white eastern Europeans and now it's all immigration from the far east and the Indian subcontinent. That'll be a tough sell to the racists 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Ah yes but these funny little brown chaps we're taking in come from The Colonies, so we can pretend that The Mighty And Glorious British Empire is still a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 33 minutes ago, Cade said: Ah yes but these funny little brown chaps we're taking in come from The Colonies, so we can pretend that The Mighty And Glorious British Empire is still a thing. especially if they are just on visas and therefore have fewer rights than a fully 'paid up' UK citizen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, scott herbertson said: especially if they are just on visas and therefore have fewer rights than a fully 'paid up' UK citizen Ah yes the latest wheeze, the sponsored work visa. It's a slightly more official version of handing your dough to the captain of one of the Calais dinghies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Finally a Brexit benefit we can all get behind. I hope this fud goes bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Yes, a third of UK exporters to the EU really have given up over Brexit Red tape continues to frustrate small businesses as the hunt for the sunlit uplands goes on SUNA ERDEM A London taxi driver waves a Union Jack flag in Westminster after the Brexit vote. Photo: PA. Last week, as the country was still focused on the death of the Queen, news reporting seemed to stand still. But news remained, it just slipped out unnoticed. This will have been a boon for Brexiteers, because Project Fear is the gift that keeps on giving. The latest prediction the “doomsters” got right about a hard Brexit was that it would harm UK trade. And in the midst of the mourning period, a slew of reports appeared, pointing out that 33% of British exporters had given up the ghost and stopped exporting to the European Union – yet another consequence of the bombastic and thoughtless way the rupture with the EU was done. According to HMRC data, the number of UK businesses exporting goods to the EU fell to 18,357 in 2021 – the first year after the Brexit transition period ended – from 27,321 in 2020. The main reason is red tape, Michelle Dale, senior manager at accountancy firm UHY Hacker Young, told me. “Basically, pre Brexit, goods used to move freely between the UK and the EU. That’s obviously stopped. Now there are export barriers and import barriers, exporter declarations, importer formalities, import VAT, which is reclaimable but needs to be applied for. It’s all had a massive impact on these companies’ sales. There has been a significant drop.” The figures are not to be confused with the value of exports, which also suffered but has its own trajectory – for instance, the UK’s export figures for this year will include the positive effect of trade with Ukraine to replace weapons and other goods related to Russia’s invasion. What Dale is describing is the growing number of UK companies’ reluctance or inability to export – something that was a feature of pre-EU times. A former head of the British Fashion Council told me that, try as they might, they struggled to persuade brands to export in the years before the UK joined the European Economic Community in 1973 because they felt the paperwork and bureaucracy made it not worth the bother. This changed after accession, when Europe effectively became a “home” market for the UK. Now it is another world away. As Adam Posen and Lucas Rengifo-Keller put it in, The Economics of Brexit: What Have We Learned?, a new e-book, produced by VoxEU/Centre for Economic Policy Research and UK in a Changing Europe, “Brexit means that the UK has declared a trade war on itself”. Today, there may be no tariffs on goods moving between the UK and the EU, but the problem is about “non-tariff barriers”. The extra bureaucracy — which also causes expensive delays in deliveries as goods and paperwork are checked — is too much for many small businesses, which do not have the staff to do the extra work. These smaller businesses also struggle to afford the advice that might have helped them streamline the process or find workarounds to make things easier, such as registering their business in the Netherlands, although that can also be complex and expensive. For customers in the EU, the change is sometimes just too onerous. “They don’t want the hassle,” Dale said. “They’re looking for alternative suppliers in the EU. We have clients who are nowhere near back to where they were before Brexit.” Adding to the misery of EU exports was the acknowledgement by Liz Truss that a trade deal with the United States was years away. That will be a blow to the Sunlit Uplanders, including Lord Digby Jones and the Express, who have long maintained it was all but signed and sealed, although no surprise to “gloomsters”. “This is quite an admission from Truss. Trying to manage expectations. So-called ‘global Britain’ is going backwards in terms of trade. No immediate deal with the USA, and more barriers erected with the closest market in the EU,” said Stephen Farry, deputy leader of the Alliance Party in Northern Ireland. In some ways, it is just as well, since a US trade deal would inevitably involve concessions on safety and animal welfare standards, perhaps also on the NHS, under any prime minister. Past experience suggests that Truss, who has presented selling out British farmers for an Australian trade deal as a triumph, isn’t someone who would be squeamish in the face of US demands if it meant she could brag about the deal afterwards. The figures showing the fall in exporter numbers was blamed by HMRC on changes to the way it collects data and disputed the analysis. “Comparing year-on-year data can lead to misinterpretation and factual inaccuracies, which we believe is the case here,” ,” an HMRC spokesman told CityAM, according to an article published last week.. “In this case not only has our caution been disregarded, but the analysis only takes into account a very small subsection of overarching trade data.” The data collection change might have some bearing, but government offices have also made a habit of parlaying away bad Brexit news, of which there has been a great deal. It’s not just a matter of Remainer spin, back in April, the then chancellor, Rishi Sunak, acknowledged that Britain’s poor performance in trade compared with its G7 rivals “might well be” due to Brexit. “It was always inevitable, if you change the exact nature of your trading relationship with the EU, that was always going to have an impact on trade flows,” he told the House of Commons Treasury select committee. The effect of Covid is also there, but the headline issue is Brexit and the seismic change that it has brought to the lives of exporters. And they are not getting enough support from the government to navigate this new landscape. The drumbeat of bad exporter news is growing. In July, the British Chambers of Commerce (BCC) found in a survey of 2,600 exporters that a quarter had suffered a drop in exports, while less than a third saw sales increase in the second quarter of the year – in the first three months, that had been 40%. The BCC pointed out that while UK exports to the EU and the rest of the world had stalled, many other top exporting countries had boomed. Eurostat figures showed imports to the EU from the UK falling from €169 billion in 2020 to €146 billion in 2021 – a drop of 13.6%. This is a 25% drop if you compare 2021 to 2019, the year before Covid hit Europe. Overall UK exports have stalled too, whereas last year French exports grew by 9.2% and Germany, 9.9%. According to Santander’s UK trade barometer research, 20% of companies surveyed said their exports were still in decline after Brexit, while only a quarter saw a growth in overseas sales. So much for the great leap forward of Global Britain reaching all parts of the world instead of just pesky Europeans. And nearly two years after Brexit took effect, the EU remains the UK’s biggest trading partner, even with these diminished numbers. It’s going to be tough to increase trade – even the historically low exchange rate for the pound isn’t helping much so far. Contrary to the beliefs that Liz Truss and her partners in crime — including chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng – set out in their mad, libertarian pamphlet called Britannia Unchained, this is not because British business people are simply “lazy”. Even if they do stir themselves to try harder, the barriers to exporting remain, with problems in recruitment, retention of staff and rising transport costs making things worse. In response to the steadily falling number of exporters, the Institute of Export and International Trade launched a voucher scheme for companies wanting to start or improve exporting. It’s become a sorry state of affairs, and such news contributes to the shifting public perception of Brexit. As Peter Kellner’s exclusive poll for The New European has found, 60% of voters, including 46% of Leave voters and 41% of those who voted Conservative in 2019, believe that Boris Johnson failed to “get Brexit done”. Buyer’s remorse is on the increase and Brexit is acknowledged to be going badly. None of this matters to the hardline Brexiters in government, who have been doubling down on their suspect project, determined to ignore every ounce of reality thrown their way. What else could they do, when the career peak they have now reached is entirely built on the shifting, shifty sands of Brexit? Large post I thought I’d share from behind a paywall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Two faces of brexit youd never tire of taking your hand across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 25 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Two faces of brexit youd never tire of taking your hand across. Actually thought that was a before and after of Tim Martin after finding out he had to close 30 pubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 23 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Two faces of brexit youd never tire of taking your hand across. Look at them, Lion-o's awful, right-wing parents. Aw, dad, no in front of Cheetara, her dad's an immigrant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Post-Brexit 'science superpower' UK still hasn't appointed a science minister https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/28/uk_science_minitser_role_empty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 20 hours ago, jack D and coke said: Two faces of brexit youd never tire of taking your hand across. Frankie Boyle and Ann's virginity. She said it's because of her religion and God. And Frankie said, Aye, God made her incredibly ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldChampions1902 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 “World Leading”…………..by leaving the U.K. BREXIT. The gift that keeps on leaving! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 1 hour ago, WorldChampions1902 said: “World Leading”…………..by leaving the U.K. BREXIT. The gift that keeps on leaving! Horizon Europe is likely to be sorted in the next 3-4 weeks, along with the NI protocol, if the noises from Dublin, Brussels and London are to be believed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Grauniad reporting that the National Audit Office are now investigating Rees Mogg's £120m 'Festival of Brexit' for 'wasting Tax payer's money' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 9 hours ago, Ulysses said: Horizon Europe is likely to be sorted in the next 3-4 weeks, along with the NI protocol, if the noises from Dublin, Brussels and London are to be believed. Good news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldChampions1902 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 10 hours ago, Ulysses said: Horizon Europe is likely to be sorted in the next 3-4 weeks, along with the NI protocol, if the noises from Dublin, Brussels and London are to be believed. Not according to the US, who have a massive influence on the outcome, whether we like it or not! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-63201671 And even if a ‘resolution’ is eventually found, the Brexit-induced U.K. brain drain doesn’t evaporate, it merely slows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 2 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said: Grauniad reporting that the National Audit Office are now investigating Rees Mogg's £120m 'Festival of Brexit' for 'wasting Tax payer's money' Expected visitors: 66 million (no, really). Actual visitors: 240,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Is there anything against Brexit, that stops the UK joining the single market? I remember they said no-one is wanting to leave the single mark, during the campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 28 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Is there anything against Brexit, that stops the UK joining the single market? I remember they said no-one is wanting to leave the single mark, during the campaign. No, nothing . Just the mindset of the hardliners who wanted a complete & total break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said: No, nothing . Just the mindset of the hardliners who wanted a complete & total break. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Brightside Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 35 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Is there anything against Brexit, that stops the UK joining the single market? I remember they said no-one is wanting to leave the single mark, during the campaign. Technically no, however I think being part of the single market meant allowing freedom of movement. The control of borders was one of the main reasons people voted for Brexit (I didn’t). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 7 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said: Grauniad reporting that the National Audit Office are now investigating Rees Mogg's £120m 'Festival of Brexit' for 'wasting Tax payer's money' Wait, there was a "festival"? Was there?? Really??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Just now, Pans Jambo said: Wait, there was a "festival"? Was there?? Really??? To paraphrase the 60s If you can remember the Festival of Brexit you weren't really there man 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, RobboM said: To paraphrase the 60s If you can remember the Festival of Brexit you weren't really there man 😂 Must have been AWESOME!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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