Justin Z Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 36 minutes ago, Norm said: Although what kind of stuff they were supposed to have in place, when they'd been excluded from discussions and with less than a weeks notice to get shit done, I'm not too sure. And that's really the heart of it, isn't it? Many folks were carrying on about the Scottish Parliament's "meaningless" vote against the withdrawal agreement, saying "good, this is a reserved matter", and cheering on Westminster for shutting the SG out of negotations, saying "stay out of it." Now all of a sudden it's the SG's responsibility? Laughable brass necked two facedness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 23 minutes ago, Smithee said: WM's own fisheries minister didn't even read the last minuteagreement before voting in favour, but it's Holyrood's fault for not being prepared? Not at all. But Ri Alban asked why the Scottish Government has to do anything. I was just explaining why, despite being given this unholy turd to deal with, deal with it they must. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Norm said: Not at all. But Ri Alban asked why the Scottish Government has to do anything. I was just explaining why, despite being given this unholy turd to deal with, deal with it they must. Not disagreeing with you, following on if anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 More fishing industry Brexit misery. https://news.stv.tv/politics/scotlands-biggest-fish-market-a-ghost-town-due-to-brexit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Boris says that all the Fishing Industry's worries about the extra red tape will disappear as soon as they start getting their increased quotas. He actually promised them "El Dorado" The mythical city "paved with gold" that cost the lives of everybody that tried to find it through starvation or disease? Yep, that place. UK fishermen can catch as many fish as they want but if they can't sell them to their EU customers then they're not going to get good prices are they? They'll be working harder for the same (or less) income. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Cade said: Boris says that all the Fishing Industry's worries about the extra red tape will disappear as soon as they start getting their increased quotas. He actually promised them "El Dorado" The mythical city "paved with gold" that cost the lives of everybody that tried to find it through starvation or disease? Yep, that place. UK fishermen can catch as many fish as they want but if they can't sell them to their EU customers then they're not going to get good prices are they? They'll be working harder for the same (or less) income. It's mental. "The problem we have here Baldrick, is that due to red tape we're unable to sell all the fish we've caught." "Not to worry sir, I have a cunning plan. We'll catch more fish." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Cade said: Boris says that all the Fishing Industry's worries about the extra red tape will disappear as soon as they start getting their increased quotas. He actually promised them "El Dorado" The mythical city "paved with gold" that cost the lives of everybody that tried to find it through starvation or disease? Yep, that place. Is it possible he promised them "Eldorado"? As in painful to watch and cancelled after one series? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 22 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Is it possible he promised them "Eldorado"? As in painful to watch and cancelled after one series? Boris Johnson as Markus Tandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Liz Truss admits that food shortages in Northern Ireland are due to Brexit. The Northern Ireland Secretary had claimed that it was purely down to Covid, but Truss let the mask slip and the truth came out a wee bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 UK refuses to give EU ambassador and other officials based in London full diplomatic status as "The EU is not a nation state", despite EU officials having full diplomat status across most of the world. We're a petty, pathetic, juvenile nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Cade said: UK refuses to give EU ambassador and other officials based in London full diplomatic status as "The EU is not a nation state", despite EU officials having full diplomat status across most of the world. We're a petty, pathetic, juvenile nation. I'm no fan of Brexit but I can understand this decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, Cade said: UK refuses to give EU ambassador and other officials based in London full diplomatic status as "The EU is not a nation state", despite EU officials having full diplomat status across most of the world. We're a petty, pathetic, juvenile nation. It's petty as anything, it's not just most of the world, every single country that has an EU ambassador accords full diplomatic privilege. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Just another sign that the UK now views the EU as a rival/enemy and not a key trading and security partner. Wonder how long it'll be before we break the exit deal in a race to the bottom and get hammered with tariffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 On 19/01/2021 at 20:27, Pans Jambo said: More fishing industry Brexit misery. https://news.stv.tv/politics/scotlands-biggest-fish-market-a-ghost-town-due-to-brexit Brexit : the gift that keeps on giving the voters what they voted for - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55530721 Imports from overseas have always been liable to import duty / VAT but now UK consumers are just realising what this means , being hit with this and additional charges from courier firms who have had to pay millions for the additional bureaucracy and are passing this on to consumers. Go brexit !! Love this comment : "For providing this service, [HMRC] intend to charge a fee to every company in the world in every country in the world which exports to the UK," said Dutch Bike Bits on its website. "Clearly this is ludicrous for one country, but imagine if every country in the world had the same idea. "If every country decided to behave in the same way, then we would have to pay 195 fees every year, keep up with the changes in taxation law for 195 different countries, keep accounts on behalf of 195 different countries and submit payments to 195 tax offices in 195 different countries, and jump through whatever hoops were required to prove that we were doing all of this honestly and without any error." Dutch Bike Bits said it had many customers within the UK and would like to be able to trade with them. "Not being able to send parcels to the UK does not work in any way in our favour and it is not what we wanted," the firm added. "If you're angry about this, and you may well be so, please contact your elected representative in the UK." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 I've noticed the supermarkets are bit short of stock. Not just NI me thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Freight traffic has from the UK and EU countries has dropped by almost a third since December 31. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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manaliveits105 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Nissan confirm they will remain in Sunderland due to Brexit deal - 6000 jobs safe 👍 huzzah ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Nissan confirm they will remain in Sunderland due to Brexit deal - 6000 jobs safe 👍 huzzah ! Or in other words, "phew, at least Nissan didn't also bail, time to spin this as a BIG BREXIT WIN! 🤩" No really, that's exactly what the PM is doing: But knowing his usual level of preparedness, he's not even hoping people don't read down the article to where it says: ...because he won't have read the article either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Justin Z said: 🤩" Well that was disappointing Edited January 22, 2021 by Konrad von Carstein Because technically challenged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: Well that was disappointing You mean hanging by fingernails to maintain an auto industry status quo—an industry that had shrunk by more than 2/3 in the UK from what it was at the time of the Brexit referendum—doesn't call for a “huzzah”? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 aw yankee google went to town again its still good news though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said: Nissan confirm they will remain in Sunderland due to Brexit deal - 6000 jobs safe 👍 huzzah ! FFS 😁😁😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 “The UK auto industry collapsing by 71% since I voted for Brexit, even inclusive of Nissan remaining in Sunderland, is good news.” –manaliveits105, 2021 Guess that's where we are now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldChampions1902 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 “we are going to need to see a lot more investment in battery production in the UK if we are to preserve the UK as a car manufacturer and exporter," said Professor David Bailey of Warwick University. Given the above statement, and the deal we have with the EU that states quite clearly it’s expectations on a “level playing field”, a couple of questions spring to mind. 1. What will happen if the U.K. government decides to invest £Multi millions in car battery development to support the car manufacturing industry? Level Playing Field?? 2. What would Nissan say if that happens after they have sunk millions into that new production at Sunderland? 3. How would the EU view point 1 and what sanctions would they retaliate with? 4. Given all of the above, looking at long term investment in car manufacturing, why would any producer choose to build later models in the U.K? The answer is they wouldn’t and they won’t IMHO, because there is too much uncertainty as to how any U.K. government will behave which could seriously hurt their export capabilities. To sum up, whilst there are many immediately visible negative consequences of Leaving, the most dramatic ones will take much, much longer to become obvious. The U.K. car industry is just one of hundreds of such examples. Such scenarios have been described as the “slow puncture effect”. As far as that industry is concerned, the nail has only just lodged itself in the tread and the above points are a few of the issues that represent the imperceptible sound of hissing. Hopefully that has burst a few bubbles on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Justin Z said: You mean hanging by fingernails to maintain an auto industry status quo—an industry that had shrunk by more than 2/3 in the UK from what it was at the time of the Brexit referendum—doesn't call for a “huzzah”? Couldn't get a gif to embed, on my phone, a deflating balloon Another self own by John Bull's lapdug...With some xenophobic name calling thrown in... Edited January 22, 2021 by Konrad von Carstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: Another self own by John Bull's lapdug...With some xenophobic name calling thrown in... The Brexiteer brand wouldn't be complete without it 17 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: Couldn't get a gif to embed, on my phone, a deflating balloon How about a metaphor for the quality of the poster in question's contributions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, Justin Z said: The Brexiteer brand wouldn't be complete without it How about a metaphor for the quality of the poster in question's contributions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, Justin Z said: The Brexiteer brand wouldn't be complete without it How about a metaphor for the quality of the poster in question's contributions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said: aw yankee google went to town again its still good news though Good news that its not shutting? Yes I suppose it is for the local area and their families. But why were they even considering it in the first place? What was the need? Brexit is slightly less shite now? is that the good news? Answers on a postcard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 43 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said: “we are going to need to see a lot more investment in battery production in the UK if we are to preserve the UK as a car manufacturer and exporter," said Professor David Bailey of Warwick University. Given the above statement, and the deal we have with the EU that states quite clearly it’s expectations on a “level playing field”, a couple of questions spring to mind. 1. What will happen if the U.K. government decides to invest £Multi millions in car battery development to support the car manufacturing industry? Level Playing Field?? 2. What would Nissan say if that happens after they have sunk millions into that new production at Sunderland? 3. How would the EU view point 1 and what sanctions would they retaliate with? 4. Given all of the above, looking at long term investment in car manufacturing, why would any producer choose to build later models in the U.K? The answer is they wouldn’t and they won’t IMHO, because there is too much uncertainty as to how any U.K. government will behave which could seriously hurt their export capabilities. To sum up, whilst there are many immediately visible negative consequences of Leaving, the most dramatic ones will take much, much longer to become obvious. The U.K. car industry is just one of hundreds of such examples. Such scenarios have been described as the “slow puncture effect”. As far as that industry is concerned, the nail has only just lodged itself in the tread and the above points are a few of the issues that represent the imperceptible sound of hissing. Hopefully that has burst a few bubbles on here. "Slow puncture effect". That'll help my kids future in this shitty island ran by millionaire arseholes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Pans Jambo said: Good news that its not shutting? Yes I suppose it is for the local area and their families. Oh yeeeeaahhhh, and I'd forgotten about this: Nissan was offered secret state aid to cope with Brexit, minister concedes The business secretary has been forced to admit the existence of a previously secret package of state aid to Nissan that could have been worth up to £80m had the carmaker gone ahead with plans to manufacture a new model X-Trail in Sunderland after Brexit. Greg Clark released a letter dated October 2016 in which he pledged tens of millions of taxpayer support and promised the Japanese company it would not be “adversely affected” after the UK left the EU. Yet, at the time the commitments were first made, Downing Street had said “there was no special deal for Nissan” and Clark refused six times to answer a question about what was on offer when interviewed on the BBC. He even appeared to suggest no money was involved. Asked on BBC One’s Question Time about the deal, he said: “There’s no chequebook. I don’t have a chequebook.” By spending tens of millions in taxpayer money, they managed to save a few jobs in the auto industry, fast sinking though it is nonetheless due to self-inflicted Brexit lunacy. Huzzah! 🥳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Justin Z said: “The UK auto industry collapsing by 71% since I voted for Brexit, even inclusive of Nissan remaining in Sunderland, is good news.” –manaliveits105, 2021 Guess that's where we are now. you should be ashamed of yourself voting for Brexit - I certainly did not but we are where we are now and have to get on with it nice to see your wee groupies hanging on your every slaver though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) On 20/01/2021 at 22:19, manaliveits105 said: try and learn to live with it and not resort to insults you will feel a lot better for it . Edited January 22, 2021 by Justin Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Justin Z said: Most brexitons wouldn't have a clue what he's talking about. I had hoped he'd explain how UK citizens in NI can apply for EU passports and retain their freedom of movement rights (while the rest of us are fecked, obviously) but when you've got Tory MPs tweeting the world that any Brit can apply for an Irish passport you can see why it took SO long to "get a deal". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Meanwhile in the sunny uplands of the fishing world ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 30 minutes ago, RobboM said: Meanwhile in the sunny uplands of the fishing world ..... Happy to ruin many other people's hopes and dreams because he thought it would benefit his family and his industry. Don't have any sympathy for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, Taffin said: Happy to ruin many other people's hopes and dreams because he thought it would benefit his family and his industry. Don't have any sympathy for him. ...while ignoring expert advice to the contrary. Sounds oddly familiar 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 49 minutes ago, RobboM said: Meanwhile in the sunny uplands of the fishing world ..... tough feckin titty He knew what he was voting for. Prick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldChampions1902 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 9 hours ago, Pans Jambo said: "Slow puncture effect". That'll help my kids future in this shitty island ran by millionaire arseholes! The slow puncture effect in the financial services sector is well underway. Mind boggling sums involved and when the dust settles in a few years time, I fear what the total cost to us all will be. They knew what they voted for. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/20/brexit-has-driven-2500-finance-jobs-and-170bn-to-france-says-bank-governor?fbclid=IwAR2Hnc2g8QIX3-609XDaVL6TFqiHoIGz8FzDVQbr7n4OMVx8FHIJU6MoSco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 6 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said: Most brexitons wouldn't have a clue what he's talking about. I had hoped he'd explain how UK citizens in NI can apply for EU passports and retain their freedom of movement rights (while the rest of us are fecked, obviously) but when you've got Tory MPs tweeting the world that any Brit can apply for an Irish passport you can see why it took SO long to "get a deal". EU passports? Like, one of these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, WorldChampions1902 said: The slow puncture effect in the financial services sector is well underway. Mind boggling sums involved and when the dust settles in a few years time, I fear what the total cost to us all will be. They knew what they voted for. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/20/brexit-has-driven-2500-finance-jobs-and-170bn-to-france-says-bank-governor?fbclid=IwAR2Hnc2g8QIX3-609XDaVL6TFqiHoIGz8FzDVQbr7n4OMVx8FHIJU6MoSco I just don’t understand what has happened here tbh. Who is benefiting? It’s a slowly unfolding fecking disaster... Id like to see odds on us rejoining in the next year or so tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 12 hours ago, Taffin said: Happy to ruin many other people's hopes and dreams because he thought it would benefit his family and his industry. Don't have any sympathy for him. I don't get the vitriolic attitude towards people who voted brexit. The Johnson and Farage, Yes, but not someone who thinks it's what's best for his family. Please don't tell me folk would rather go bust than make someone else go bust. Bollox, you protect your own first and always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 I'm glad for the people of Sunderland they don't get put thro what many towns in Scotland went thro, when Companies left them and Thatcher didn't put other things in place to keep folk from despair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 13 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said: Most brexitons wouldn't have a clue what he's talking about. I had hoped he'd explain how UK citizens in NI can apply for EU passports and retain their freedom of movement rights (while the rest of us are fecked, obviously) but when you've got Tory MPs tweeting the world that any Brit can apply for an Irish passport you can see why it took SO long to "get a deal". See if I was a Unionist PM who didn't want Scotland to leave, I'd have negotiated with EU for Scotland to retain what NI have retained. It would have put The SNP on the back foot for a bit and made it really difficult to argue for indyref 2. But hey, thank feck we have English nationalism at the top table of Wm. If we must have border checks England and Wales vs the EU.27. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: I don't get the vitriolic attitude towards people who voted brexit. The Johnson and Farage, Yes, but not someone who thinks it's what's best for his family. Not having sympathy for someone is hardly vitriolic. 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: Please don't tell me folk would rather go bust than make someone else go bust. Bollox, you protect your own first and always. He wasn't about to go bust. He just wanted more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Fishermen got greedy, all they were thinking of was getting more and more quota and profit and they never thought it through. Now they're able to catch more fish, but they're getting less for it so all that's ended up is that they're working harder for less gain. We told them so. They refused to listen. We told them so again. They did a silly wee flotilla down the Thames with Kate Hoey and Nigel Farage. We told them so yet again. They voted leave. Now the cold dawn of reality is hitting them. Feck 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 6 hours ago, ri Alban said: I don't get the vitriolic attitude towards people who voted brexit. The Johnson and Farage, Yes, but not someone who thinks it's what's best for his family. Please don't tell me folk would rather go bust than make someone else go bust. Bollox, you protect your own first and always. I do. It's interesting to contrast the arguments on here for brexit and for/against independence. One had literally no cost benefit analysis done* (in fact, not a single economic argument was ever put forward other than unicorns like fish & "trade deals" , but emotion won the day. Now, compare it to the independence debate. That should tell you all you need to know. * Even when businesses warned voters it was in UKs best interests to stay, that advice was ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldChampions1902 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 7 hours ago, ri Alban said: I don't get the vitriolic attitude towards people who voted brexit. The Johnson and Farage, Yes, but not someone who thinks it's what's best for his family. Please don't tell me folk would rather go bust than make someone else go bust. Bollox, you protect your own first and always. Remember the farmer who relied on Eastern European countries labour to pick his crop? On the C4 Dispatches programme he conceded that voting for Brexit would mean he would be out of business. One of the quotes, David Figgis said he voted for what he thinks is “better for my country” but added: “Personally, it’s a disaster.” Not quite in tune with your point, but that is a special type of person. He was so conned, that he was willing to vote for likely having to wind up has family business in order to “benefit” his country. I struggle to make sense of that, like much of Brexiteer thinking. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-backing-fruit-farmer-shares-fears-after-voting-leave-despite-relying-on-eastern-european-labour-a4111936.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Cade said: Fishermen got greedy, all they were thinking of was getting more and more quota and profit and they never thought it through. Now they're able to catch more fish, but they're getting less for it so all that's ended up is that they're working harder for less gain. We told them so. They refused to listen. We told them so again. They did a silly wee flotilla down the Thames with Kate Hoey and Nigel Farage. We told them so yet again. They voted leave. Now the cold dawn of reality is hitting them. Feck 'em. This. All day long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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