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So now we have David Davis admitting that the UK government has done NO impact assessments for any implications of BREXIT on various sectors of the UK economy, NO formal impact assessment of the effects of leaving the EU customs BEFORE the Cabinet took the decision to withdraw from the EU.

 

To think some have called for a non political stigma (Tory), attachments to this utter comedy circusl

 

Incompetence in every meaning of the word here, the utter contempt shown by this government for its people is  breathtaking.

 

So out of touch.

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, JamboX2 said:

 

I agree. As someone to the left I think there's a big issue of government by protest and difference in Scotland. It's existed since 1999 but since 2007 has become much more prevalent. The conservatism and reluctance to change in Scotland in terms of democratic institutions and transparency is a major issue. Local government, service provision, the state's role all need discussed. Otherwise we get repeated errors in delivering policy like Police Scotland, OFBA and Named Person. All fair ideas. All poorly delivered.

but, the separatists said that with scots running everything it would all be fandabbydozey.

 

brexit was never gonna be easy to many hands in the pot. someone has all ready said it should be easy, just a case of finding the middle ground but when you've got thousands of invested parties all wanting their cut/their own way it's almost impossible to find a middle.

 

as said it should be the country trying to sort it out and not a party. on the other side, it's the reason brexit is now a topic, there are to many petty ersoles getting their euros worth in and a total lack of overall control, hence the non release of uncalculable audits, it's a beaurocratic maze.

 

they still want to trade with us and we still want to trade with them, get it sorted. typical of politicians, blah, blah, blah and ****all happens, their all hot air and no substance, the less of them the better.

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Hammond has also admitted that the Cabinet hasn't got a united strategy or final plan as to what Brexit will look like.

 

Nobody has got a clue what they're doing, what they want out of all of this or how to go about getting it.

 

It's complete clusterfeck.

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6 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Pretty much what I believe too. This socialist utopia would disintegrate rapidly if Scotland ever got Indy. We’d more likely go the opposite way. 

Dont try tell the SNP drones that though. 

Based on what? Jack! Don't just say something, explain why you think this.

I'm interested, that's all.

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1 hour ago, reaths17 said:

but, the separatists said that with scots running everything it would all be fandabbydozey.

 

brexit was never gonna be easy to many hands in the pot. someone has all ready said it should be easy, just a case of finding the middle ground but when you've got thousands of invested parties all wanting their cut/their own way it's almost impossible to find a middle.

 

as said it should be the country trying to sort it out and not a party. on the other side, it's the reason brexit is now a topic, there are to many petty ersoles getting their euros worth in and a total lack of overall control, hence the non release of uncalculable audits, it's a beaurocratic maze.

 

they still want to trade with us and we still want to trade with them, get it sorted. typical of politicians, blah, blah, blah and ****all happens, their all hot air and no substance, the less of them the better.

It is easy, just withdraw and then come back and negotiate.

 

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1 hour ago, maroonlegions said:

So now we have David Davis admitting that the UK government has done NO impact assessments for any implications of BREXIT on various sectors of the UK economy, NO formal impact assessment of the effects of leaving the EU customs BEFORE the Cabinet took the decision to withdraw from the EU.

 

To think some have called for a non political stigma (Tory), attachments to this utter comedy circusl

 

Incompetence in every meaning of the word here, the utter contempt shown by this government for its people is  breathtaking.

 

So out of touch.

 

 

 

 

They could at least have created a work of fiction like the no-expense-spared Scottish Independence White Paper. 

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1 minute ago, Thunderstruck said:

 

They could at least have created a work of fiction like the no-expense-spared Scottish Independence White Paper. 

Just for once play the ball. This has nothing to do with Scotland or the SNP. The Tories will never recover from this if all goes tits up.

England,and Scotland will crucify them.

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Space Mackerel
5 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said:

 

They could at least have created a work of fiction like the no-expense-spared Scottish Independence White Paper. 

 

Proud your elected representatives are proven liars? :)

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maroonlegions
13 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said:

 

They could at least have created a work of fiction like the no-expense-spared Scottish Independence White Paper. 

 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Proud your elected representatives are proven liars? :)

 

Are you saying the SNP are liars. Have you had a Damascene moment. 

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Parliament's sports and social club bar has been closed indefinitely after a fight broke out last night.

64 year old man taken to hospital in an ambulance.

57 year old man charged with GBH and affray.

 

:vrface:

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58 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said:

 

Are you saying the SNP are liars. Have you had a Damascene moment. 

 

Dinnae get on at me because your beloved Conservative and Unionist Party is riddled with sex pests, peadophiles, charlatans and liars please. 

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The Tories have done what my dad and Grandad predicted they would do and that is ruin this country. 

 

The Tory fall out forced Cameron into the referendum. A power grab from team Boris and Gove along with racist prick Farage somehow convinced the majority that Brexit was a good idea. 

 

Cameron then tucked tail and ran leaving the worst prime minister in living history to preside over the most important negotiations since the good Friday agreement. And they might go on to **** that up as well. 

 

This is worrying times. We should do a massive u turn and admit we are wrong. It isn't to late.

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maroonlegions
1 hour ago, Cade said:

Parliament's sports and social club bar has been closed indefinitely after a fight broke out last night.

64 year old man taken to hospital in an ambulance.

57 year old man charged with GBH and affray.

 

:vrface:

 

To think that these cretins:euro: could very well be a bit pished or intoxicated:booze: when debating or voting on things that affect all of us. In no other work place would this be acceptable.:brooding:

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maroonlegions
25 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Dinnae get on at me because your beloved Conservative and Unionist Party is riddled with sex pests, peadophiles, charlatans and liars please. 

:rofl:

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27 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Dinnae get on at me because your beloved Conservative and Unionist Party is riddled with sex pests, peadophiles, charlatans and liars please. 

 

“My Party” - seems your memory isn't your strong suit. 

 

Every party has “sex pests, peadophiles, charlatans and liars”. If you think that your party is immune, you are on an expressway to disappointment. 

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May rang the Irish PM to see if he's still got the same Brexit plans as monday.

 

Aye, Theresa, he does.

It's your useless lot of bams that keep changing things.

 

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3 hours ago, Cade said:

Hammond has also admitted that the Cabinet hasn't got a united strategy or final plan as to what Brexit will look like.

 

Nobody has got a clue what they're doing, what they want out of all of this or how to go about getting it.

 

It's complete clusterfeck.

Pretty much.

 

We went to the polls in a general election on the prospectus that a Tory government with a majority were asking for a renewed mandate and larger majority in order to deliver a strong and stable Brexit.

 

Upon the electorate rejecting that,   the Tories were determined to press ahead and control every aspect and nuance of Brexit anyway.     The sordid shacking up with the DUP barely allowing them to form an administration.     

 

Since limping on regardless against the infinitely more professional and coherent EU negotiating side,     they're still determined to control every aspect of Brexit,  despite the Tory party itself having no settled policy platform on the matter and no concern whatsoever as to the carnage to the interests of average, hard working,  non wealthy, non privileged people that will ensue upon a no-deal outcome.

 

They're determined to drive the bus over the cliff but the chancers aren't that arsed because it wont hit them personally.

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3 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Based on what? Jack! Don't just say something, explain why you think this.

I'm interested, that's all.

Because we are surrounded by conservative governed English speaking countries. 

To compete we’d need to be pretty similar I’d imagine and maybe more so to attract the investment initially. 

Ireland hasn’t had a labour government since it went independent. 

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2 hours ago, maroonlegions said:

 

To think that these cretins:euro: could very well be a bit pished or intoxicated:booze: when debating or voting on things that affect all of us. In no other work place would this be acceptable.:brooding:

 

The report I heard on Sky said that MP's or Lords were not involved, seems to have been staffers.

 

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maroonlegions
3 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

The report I heard on Sky said that MP's or Lords were not involved, seems to have been staffers.

 

This time maybe but when you can drink before debates or votes that is another matter. lol.

 

The fact MPs and Lords can is the concern,

 

Those photos of Lords sleeping during debates is a debate in itself . lol 

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2 hours ago, Thunderstruck said:

 

“My Party” - seems your memory isn't your strong suit. 

 

Every party has “sex pests, peadophiles, charlatans and liars”. If you think that your party is immune, you are on an expressway to disappointment. 

 

Links please :)

 

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14 minutes ago, maroonlegions said:

This time maybe but when you can drink before debates or votes that is another matter. lol.

 

The fact MPs and Lords can is the concern,

 

Those photos of Lords sleeping during debates is a debate in itself . lol 

 

Not disputing any of what you say, just this time it seems to have not been MP's or Lords, that's all.

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4 hours ago, Thunderstruck said:

 

They could at least have created a work of fiction like the no-expense-spared Scottish Independence White Paper. 

 

:rofl: horrendous contribution to a brexit thread 

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2 minutes ago, Cade said:

They've had 40 years of constant moaning to plan for this

 

:rofl: 

 

:rofl:

 

Absolute tea pots, the lot of them. 

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3 minutes ago, Cade said:

They've had 40 years of constant moaning to plan for this

 

:rofl: 

They should have got Humphrey Appleby to do the negotiations.

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2 hours ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

:rofl:

 

Absolute tea pots, the lot of them. 

 

2 hours ago, Cade said:

They've had 40 years of constant moaning to plan for this

 

:rofl: 

 

I think you 2 will find that ultimately that the UK hold the strong hand .

 

For the EU has the most to lose .

It in general is on a shaky nail and uses mostly the language of punishment.

It's southern states are already buckling under mass unemployment.

It's political map is becoming more restless and individual countries are confronting Brussels .

It needs trade with the UK.

As does Ireland.

It needs stability.

Supposedly the UK should already be in turmoil.

Ridiculous scaremongering from some citing food shortages.

My god that guardian is the mirror image of the sun.

And Spacey if you think that brexit is impossible and hope that it is.

What chance has Scotland after a union ten fold in time and complexity.

 

It reaffirms my contempt for the EU and isn't it just like it to ignore votes it doesn't like.

And does everything to change it.

Trust me you will be glad we got out when we did.

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1 hour ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

:rofl: horrendous contribution to a brexit thread 

 

It was a perfectly valid comment in the context of what had passed earlier when one of our resident nationalists drew our attention to parallels:- 

 

6 hours ago, Space Mackerel said:

Mind all the Yoons wailing and greeting about no plans post Yes vote in 2014?? ???

 

 

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9 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Because we are surrounded by conservative governed English speaking countries. 

To compete we’d need to be pretty similar I’d imagine and maybe more so to attract the investment initially. 

Ireland hasn’t had a labour government since it went independent. 

Surrounded? There's 1, England. And the way their Tory government is governing, it'll be their last.

I'd rather Scotland reduced it's trade with Post Indy Britain, (miss out the middle man)it's the main reason we're in this state (Sovereign and mess). Or are world trade opportunities N/A to Scotland, only the UK. We can always learn an other language, We've always been good at that.

 

Anyway, even if the utopia you talk about doesn't become reality, well at least we decided it. 

 

Cheers for your reply, BTW, appreciated.

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5 hours ago, jake said:

 

 

I think you 2 will find that ultimately that the UK hold the strong hand .

 

For the EU has the most to lose .

It in general is on a shaky nail and uses mostly the language of punishment.

It's southern states are already buckling under mass unemployment.

It's political map is becoming more restless and individual countries are confronting Brussels .

It needs trade with the UK.

As does Ireland.

It needs stability.

Supposedly the UK should already be in turmoil.

Ridiculous scaremongering from some citing food shortages.

My god that guardian is the mirror image of the sun.

And Spacey if you think that brexit is impossible and hope that it is.

What chance has Scotland after a union ten fold in time and complexity.

 

It reaffirms my contempt for the EU and isn't it just like it to ignore votes it doesn't like.

And does everything to change it.

Trust me you will be glad we got out when we did.

Sorry jake, tell me how the Eu needs UK trade?( Yes they'll want it, but need, now that's scaremongering) The UK equates to 3% of the EU trade, 3%!?!?! while the UK is 45% add to that an Independent Scotland and it's around 60%, yes Scotland has 60% with rUK, but there's historical and political reasons for this, that can and will be put right post Indy.( Especially the maritime border).

 

Jake, I have no doubt negotiations will be long and drawn out post Indyref2 ( The UK government has proved this), but there will be no block on trade negotiations with the EU and the ROW. Oh and Scotland  as you say about the UK hold all the cards. Otherwise they'd have binned us long ago.

Anyway, I'm neither pro EU or anti EU membership, but I'd like the movement of people to stay, it's a great thing for Scotland, but equally a bad thing for England. Just one of many reasons at this time in history we should go our separate ways. I'm sure we'd side want trade with each other.

 

P.S Brexit hasn't happened yet, until then let's see what happens. They should have  planned this before they had the Ref and now the Tories have Fecked it and their/themselves right up. Especially Ireland, the DUP and the Tories are willingly throwing the peace in the bin for Brexit at all costs. Shameful!

 

 

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jack D and coke
10 hours ago, jake said:

 

 

I think you 2 will find that ultimately that the UK hold the strong hand .

 

For the EU has the most to lose .

It in general is on a shaky nail and uses mostly the language of punishment.

It's southern states are already buckling under mass unemployment.

It's political map is becoming more restless and individual countries are confronting Brussels .

It needs trade with the UK.

As does Ireland.

It needs stability.

Supposedly the UK should already be in turmoil.

Ridiculous scaremongering from some citing food shortages.

My god that guardian is the mirror image of the sun.

And Spacey if you think that brexit is impossible and hope that it is.

What chance has Scotland after a union ten fold in time and complexity.

 

It reaffirms my contempt for the EU and isn't it just like it to ignore votes it doesn't like.

And does everything to change it.

Trust me you will be glad we got out when we did.

You won’t get a coherent answer out Spacey mate. I’ve tried plenty times to have this conversation with him and I get deflection, whataboutery and emojis as replies. 

 

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Space Mackerel
19 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

You won’t get a coherent answer out Spacey mate. I’ve tried plenty times to have this conversation with him and I get deflection, whataboutery and emojis as replies. 

 

 

 

??????

 

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29 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

You won’t get a coherent answer out Spacey mate. I’ve tried plenty times to have this conversation with him and I get deflection, whataboutery and emojis as replies. 

 

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. Jake is stating an opinion as fact.

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8 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. Jake is stating an opinion as fact.

Well aware of that mate. You can’t deny these brexit negotiations have gave us a glimpse into the cluster**** that independence might have been and the EU is certainly not as entwined as we are with rUK. To me it’s seems like independence supporters especially(and I voted yes btw)are revelling in the shambles of the discussions atm whereas we might have been in as much, if not more of a shambles if a Yes vote had happened, who knows. 

And Salmond claimed we’d be independent within two years as in now it would’ve been all worked out!

It smacks of enormous levels of hypocrisy imo.  

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10 hours ago, jake said:

 

 

I think you 2 will find that ultimately that the UK hold the strong hand .

 

For the EU has the most to lose .

It in general is on a shaky nail and uses mostly the language of punishment.

It's southern states are already buckling under mass unemployment.

It's political map is becoming more restless and individual countries are confronting Brussels .

It needs trade with the UK.

As does Ireland.

It needs stability.

Supposedly the UK should already be in turmoil.

Ridiculous scaremongering from some citing food shortages.

My god that guardian is the mirror image of the sun.

And Spacey if you think that brexit is impossible and hope that it is.

What chance has Scotland after a union ten fold in time and complexity.

 

It reaffirms my contempt for the EU and isn't it just like it to ignore votes it doesn't like.

And does everything to change it.

Trust me you will be glad we got out when we did.

 

Just in Ireland alone It is estimated that a 'Hard Brexit' would result in the Irish economy shrinking by some 4% and cost about 40,000 jobs.

http://www.irishnews.com/news/brexit/2017/01/19/news/hard-brexit-will-lead-to-40-000-job-losses-in-republic--894036/

Belgium is around about the same job loses of 40,000 and the EU as a whole could see around about 1.2m jobs lost if there is a 'Hard Brexit'.

In the UK there could be around about half a million job losses, according to this article.

http://www.cityam.com/272707/hard-brexit-cost-eu-twice-many-jobs-uk

 

If there was a 'Hard Brexit' and the inevitable job losses and the shrinking of both the UK and EU economies, add this to the already weak economies of the Southern Mediterranean countries and there could be a real danger that the EU could be plunged into a recession, so could the UK as well, this is why it's imperative for the EU to get a deal as much as it is for the UK.

 

The one major advantage the UK would have post 'Hard Brexit' is the ability to adapt quickly and be flexible in pursuing trading opportunities with other countries, the EU on the other hand by it's very structure is unable to adapt as quickly as one single country can. 

The EU would need to convene a meeting of all the members so on and so forth, whereas the UK can chop and change within a phone call or two, potentially.

 

So a 'Hard Brexit' is in nobody's interests, it would hurt the UK, but it would also hit the EU hard as well, perhaps twice as hard as the UK

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4 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Well aware of that mate. You can’t deny these brexit negotiations have gave us a glimpse into the cluster**** that independence might have been and the EU is certainly not as entwined as we are with rUK. To me it’s seems like independence supporters especially(and I voted yes btw)are revelling in the shambles of the discussions atm whereas we might have been in as much, if not more of a shambles if a Yes vote had happened, who knows. 

And Salmond claimed we’d be independent within two years as in now it would’ve been all worked out!

It smacks of enormous levels of hypocrisy imo.  

 

Have to agree that many people who support Independence seem to be enjoying the utter shambles of the 'Brexit' negotiations, yet somehow think that a similar 'Divorce' between Scotland & the rest of the UK would be a breeze and be plain sailing and worked out over a few Sunday Lunches sort of thing.

The 'Brexit' negotiations are a clear example of how difficult the negotiations would be between Holyrood & Westminster.   

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13 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Well aware of that mate. You can’t deny these brexit negotiations have gave us a glimpse into the cluster**** that independence might have been and the EU is certainly not as entwined as we are with rUK. To me it’s seems like independence supporters especially(and I voted yes btw)are revelling in the shambles of the discussions atm whereas we might have been in as much, if not more of a shambles if a Yes vote had happened, who knows. 

And Salmond claimed we’d be independent within two years as in now it would’ve been all worked out!

It smacks of enormous levels of hypocrisy imo.  

That may well be, but the fault lies at the Brexit Tories, they're causing this, Indy is a different bridge and will be crossed when fronted. Stop bringing the SNP, into this, it's not any there doing.

Try May, Boris, Gove, Mogg and Davies, these muppets took the So called Union to early election so they could do what want, and lost. Now they paid off the Flat earthers of NI to put them back in power. The said Flat earthers now want the same treatment as rUK, but only when it suits them. But hey, let's deflect this shambles onto #SNPbad and the yes voters. Good one.

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10 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Have to agree that many people who support Independence seem to be enjoying the utter shambles of the 'Brexit' negotiations, yet somehow think that a similar 'Divorce' between Scotland & the rest of the UK would be a breeze and be plain sailing and worked out over a few Sunday Lunches sort of thing.

The 'Brexit' negotiations are a clear example of how difficult the negotiations would be between Holyrood & Westminster.   

No one does, especially if Ruth the flat controller and her ugly mob have anything to do with it.

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Space Mackerel

Brilliant! Now all the Brexiteer snowflakes are wailing and greeting because everybody is laughing at them and the predictament they’ve got the country into :lol:

 

Notice not one poster has offered a solution to it though? Why’s that? Because they haven’t the faintest idea what’s going on or what’s involved. Like they did pre referendum. 

 

Utter tea pots. 

 

 

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Just now, ri Alban said:

That may well be, but the fault lies at the Brexit Tories, they're causing this, Indy is a different bridge and will be crossed when fronted. Stop bringing the SNP, into this, it's not any there doing.

Try May, Boris, Gove, Mogg and Davies, these muppets took the So called Union to early election so they could do what want, and lost. Now they paid off the Flat earthers of NI to put them back in power. The said Flat earthers now want the same treatment as rUK, but only when it suits them. But hey, let's deflect this shambles onto #SNPbad and the yes voters. Good one.

Who’s deflecting onto the snp? I’m only making a point that snp voters(who I’ve voted before too)fail to see the similarities of all this with an Indy vote and none want to discuss it. Are you saying there isn’t anything similar and that Indy is a different bridge and all will be sound there? :lol: Same with all this nonsense about separate deals from Nicola Sturgeon. Edinburgh voted No in the referendum might they have tried what Sadiq Khan is suggesting about London remaining in the EU? Where does this nonsense end?  I believe NI shouldn’t get a seperate deal either btw, if you are part of the union then the same deal must be for all or maybe another indyref needs to happen. 

Im anything but an SNPbad poster but I’ll call them out from time to time. 

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jack D and coke
4 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

Brilliant! Now all the Brexiteer snowflakes are wailing and greeting because everybody is laughing at them and the predictament they’ve got the country into :lol:

 

Notice not one poster has offered a solution to it though? Why’s that? Because they haven’t the faintest idea what’s going on or what’s involved. Like they did pre referendum. 

 

Utter tea pots. 

 

Haven’t noticed them myself tbh. Seems more like remainers still crying over spilt milk. 

Any idea on the currency plans for Indy Scotland yet pal? 

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3 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Who’s deflecting onto the snp? I’m only making a point that snp voters(who I’ve voted before too)fail to see the similarities of all this with an Indy vote and none want to discuss it. Are you saying there isn’t anything similar and that Indy is a different bridge and all will be sound there? :lol: Same with all this nonsense about separate deals from Nicola Sturgeon. Edinburgh voted No in the referendum might they have tried what Sadiq Khan is suggesting about London remaining in the EU? Where does this nonsense end?  I believe NI shouldn’t get a seperate deal either btw, if you are part of the union then the same deal must be for all or maybe another indyref needs to happen. 

Im anything but an SNPbad poster but I’ll call them out from time to time. 

 

 

Put it this way, some of the language and nationalism coming from the UK government pre and post euref doesn't help for a start. And I'd expect about a dozen of Scotland's top lawyers to do the negotiations without any fuss. But as we stand it's the brexit bridge we're crossing and the life rafts beached. 

It's fairly easy to negotiate if you want to. Scottish Independence should go like clockwork if both sides want it. But the UK are at it here, they want Eu membership without the rules,regulations, fees, and people. Just the trade, but that comes with add ons.

 

I actually meant in general, BTW, not you. :)

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Space Mackerel
14 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Haven’t noticed them myself tbh. Seems more like remainers still crying over spilt milk. 

Any idea on the currency plans for Indy Scotland yet pal? 

 

I think there is going to be a major news announcement in the NY pal. 

 

Hows your Brexit impact assessments going? Do they exist or not? :rofl:

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18 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Haven’t noticed them myself tbh. Seems more like remainers still crying over spilt milk. 

Any idea on the currency plans for Indy Scotland yet pal? 

Our own, whether it's the pound, dollar , or euro. It's not rocket science or hard to do. We've been doing it for centuries independent and conquered.

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4 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Our own, whether it's the pound, dollar , or euro. It's not rocket science or hard to do. We've been doing it for centuries independent and conquered.

Lender of last resort will be? 

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jack D and coke
8 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

I think there is going to be a major news announcement in the NY pal. 

 

Hows your Brexit impact assessments going? Do they exist or not? :rofl:

Standard emoji to deflect as expected. I’m totally relaxed about brexit mate. I was relaxed about Indy too. 

So an announcement in the NY? How many years has this taken and it’s still next year? 

 

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