Say What Again Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 One of the reviews I've just read brings up a decent point. Did the Lannister army manage to take Highgarden in a matter of hours? They didn't have the benefit of a sneaky cave back entrance and would have had to have laid siege to the castle. Surely the Tyrell army could hold this place for more than a few hours? You'd think days, if not weeks! I know they have to move the story along, but one of the biggest families in Westeros, and the army that helped swing the Battle of Blackwater Bay, obliterated in a matter of mins on their home turf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Jersey_HMFC Posted August 1, 2017 Author Share Posted August 1, 2017 One of the reviews I've just read brings up a decent point. Did the Lannister army manage to take Highgarden in a matter of hours? They didn't have the benefit of a sneaky cave back entrance and would have had to have laid siege to the castle. Surely the Tyrell army could hold this place for more than a few hours? You'd think days, if not weeks! I know they have to move the story along, but one of the biggest families in Westeros, and the army that helped swing the Battle of Blackwater Bay, obliterated in a matter of mins on their home turf It is a bit ridiculous that the biggest house army in Westeros was obliterated and couldn't hold onto a castle for very long. Lady Olenna remarks that they were never the best at fighting but their numbers surely counted.. or did they.. when people referred to the Tyrell army perhaps they meant the reach army and once Tarly (who was always the real reason behind the Reach's strength) and some other minor houses (not including those that stayed with Stannis and were wiped out at blackwater/North) defected over to the Lannisters, maybe the Tyrells didn't have many numbers left. strange that Tarly's sigil and the sigils of others weren't there, just the lannister colours and sigil. The show is very inconsistent in this regard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KineticBeat Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 One of the reviews I've just read brings up a decent point. Did the Lannister army manage to take Highgarden in a matter of hours? They didn't have the benefit of a sneaky cave back entrance and would have had to have laid siege to the castle. Surely the Tyrell army could hold this place for more than a few hours? You'd think days, if not weeks! I know they have to move the story along, but one of the biggest families in Westeros, and the army that helped swing the Battle of Blackwater Bay, obliterated in a matter of mins on their home turf Yep that seems to have been what happened. Jamie seems to have gotten out of bed, taken Highgarden and be expected back in Kings Landing with the gold within 14 days. I can handle Euron teleporting around the seas of Westeros at inhumane speed but this was a bit of a stretch. The Tyrell armies would have been weakened by Tarly's backstab but there is no way you'd take somewhere like Highgarden without a very long seige. Especially since Highgarden is supposed to have enough grain to feed the entire realm. Even one line about having men on the inside would have explained it all enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Jersey_HMFC Posted August 1, 2017 Author Share Posted August 1, 2017 Yep that seems to have been what happened. Jamie seems to have gotten out of bed, taken Highgarden and be expected back in Kings Landing with the gold within 14 days. I can handle Euron teleporting around the seas of Westeros at inhumane speed but this was a bit of a stretch. The Tyrell armies would have been weakened by Tarly's backstab but there is no way you'd take somewhere like Highgarden without a very long seige. Especially since Highgarden is supposed to have enough grain to feed the entire realm. Even one line about having men on the inside would have explained it all enough. To be fair it isn't confirmed how long it took for the Lannisters to take over Highgarden it just cuts straight to the end But the timelines are all over the place and I think to enjoy the show one has to ignore the fact it takes some people an episode to get from one end of the country to the other and for others half a season I think the showrunners have said scenes aren't happening all the same time/real time etc, so if Jorah shows up at Dragonstone next episode that means he left Oldtown weeks ago maybe even whilst Jon was on route to Dragonstone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KineticBeat Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 To be fair it isn't confirmed how long it took for the Lannisters to take over Highgarden it just cuts straight to the end But the timelines are all over the place and I think to enjoy the show one has to ignore the fact it takes some people an episode to get from one end of the country to the other and for others half a season I think the showrunners have said scenes aren't happening all the same time/real time etc, so if Jorah shows up at Dragonstone next episode that means he left Oldtown weeks ago maybe even whilst Jon was on route to Dragonstone It kind of is. Cersei leaves Jamie in bed to talk to the Iron Bank. She tells them she'd be able to pay them back in 14 days (with the gold from Highgarden). That means the show expects Jamie to travel to Highgarden, take it, and return to King's Landing within that time period. Which is a stretch. I understand that's how the show is operating and has done for a while. Slightly better writing would make it easier on themselves at points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Jersey_HMFC Posted August 1, 2017 Author Share Posted August 1, 2017 It kind of is. Cersei leaves Jamie in bed to talk to the Iron Bank. She tells them she'd be able to pay them back in 14 days (with the gold from Highgarden). That means the show expects Jamie to travel to Highgarden, take it, and return to King's Landing within that time period. Which is a stretch. I understand that's how the show is operating and has done for a while. Slightly better writing would make it easier on themselves at points. I know, in that circumstance they could have done it one episode but made the stated timeline bigger An episode of Bronn and Jaime ****ing Lannister on their travels would have been entertaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Jarman Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Does she like a finger up the bum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 It can get confusing! Doesn't help with a constant "Which one's Littlefinger?" "Which one's Euron Grayjoy?" in my lug...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac_fae_Gillie Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 One of the reviews I've just read brings up a decent point. Did the Lannister army manage to take Highgarden in a matter of hours? They didn't have the benefit of a sneaky cave back entrance and would have had to have laid siege to the castle. Surely the Tyrell army could hold this place for more than a few hours? You'd think days, if not weeks! I know they have to move the story along, but one of the biggest families in Westeros, and the army that helped swing the Battle of Blackwater Bay, obliterated in a matter of mins on their home turf In the 1st episode Cersi manages to swing some Tyrell Lords to her side.. So the Tyrells were not as strong as they once were. Plus in then comes to an experienced force vs a city guard + a few more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richiehmfc Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 In the 1st episode Cersi manages to swing some Tyrell Lords to her side.. So the Tyrells were not as strong as they once were. Plus in then comes to an experienced force vs a city guard + a few more. Yes the strength of the tarly army was taken from the Tyrells but I also said the same thing to my wife. How did high garden fall so easily? Its a huge castle on a rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richiehmfc Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 - not struck on Euron. (Or is it just the actor?) I get he is meant to be a madman but he's almost comical. For example imagine Ramsay Bolton giving Jamie the jibes about cersei, he'd be sinister as hell and mean it. Totally agree with this. In the books he is very dark and I had expected him to be a bit less comical. Really enjoyed the episode but I am not buying him as a baddy in the way Joffrey/Ramsey were. They were brilliantly played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Jersey_HMFC Posted August 1, 2017 Author Share Posted August 1, 2017 Totally agree with this. In the books he is very dark and I had expected him to be a bit less comical. Really enjoyed the episode but I am not buying him as a baddy in the way Joffrey/Ramsey were. They were brilliantly played They've merged Victarion and Euron and come up with something a bit too comical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Placid Casual Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 There are rumours that we may have to wait until 2019 for the final season I don't mind them taking their time to get the ending it (or we!) deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Placid Casual Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Enjoyed that episode, especially the end. "He always was a *****" [emoji38] Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk There were some great lines in this episode but that made me laugh out loud. "That was Joffrey?s sword wasn?t it? Not that he ever used it. What did he call it?" "Widow?s Wail." "He really was a *****, wasn?t he." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Placid Casual Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Looking forward to some dragon damage next week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Looking forward to some dragon damage next week! Cersie's on a roll this season, knocking off her enemies right and left. It won't surprise me if she kills one or two of them with the giant crossbow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Placid Casual Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Cersie's on a roll this season, knocking off her enemies right and left. It won't surprise me if she kills one or two of them with the giant crossbow. Yes I think one of them will be taken out by that crossbow. Wouldn't like to be the person that fired it though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Will Jon Snow be a dragon rider? And Tyrion for that matter ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthVodka Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Will Jon Snow be a dragon rider? And Tyrion for that matter ... Earlier books had much more of Jon's warg ability. It's almost been forgotten in the series. They are missing a trick if Jon doesn't litteraly take control of a dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KineticBeat Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 If Jon ends up becoming a drsgon rider, Viserion will die and Jon will end up riding Rhaegal, the Dragon named after his da Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 It is a bit ridiculous that the biggest house army in Westeros was obliterated and couldn't hold onto a castle for very long. Lady Olenna remarks that they were never the best at fighting but their numbers surely counted.. or did they.. when people referred to the Tyrell army perhaps they meant the reach army and once Tarly (who was always the real reason behind the Reach's strength) and some other minor houses (not including those that stayed with Stannis and were wiped out at blackwater/North) defected over to the Lannisters, maybe the Tyrells didn't have many numbers left. strange that Tarly's sigil and the sigils of others weren't there, just the lannister colours and sigil. The show is very inconsistent in this regard I thought it was a bit odd as well. However, if the Tyrell army had already left to besiege Kings Landing - as was the original plan - then you could understand how easy it was. I suspect that we'll never hear of the Tyrell army again and we're to assume that they got wiped out then though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 If Jon ends up becoming a drsgon rider, Viserion will die and Jon will end up riding Rhaegal, the Dragon named after his da Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk I'd have thought he'd be more interested in the dragon's mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Jersey_HMFC Posted August 2, 2017 Author Share Posted August 2, 2017 I'd have thought he'd be more interested in the dragon's mother. one incest storyline is enough even for GoT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthVodka Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 I'd have thought he'd be more interested in the dragon's mother. Must be a safe bet he gives his aunt one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 one incest storyline is enough even for GoT Ah, but Jon doesn't know that Daenerys is his Aunt, and besides all the best dynasties were founded upon incest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Placid Casual Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Ah, but Jon doesn't know that Daenerys is his Aunt, and besides all the best dynasties were founded upon incest. I thought Bran would send a raven as soon as he learned that Jon was at Dragonstone. "MATE, DINNIE FIRE INTAE HER. SHE'S YER DA'S SISTER." Or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say What Again Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 I thought Bran would send a raven as soon as he learned that Jon was at Dragonstone. "MATE, DINNIE FIRE INTAE HER. SHE'S YER DA'S SISTER." Or something like that. I'm not so sure he would. The wee weirdo seemed pretty happy telling his sister he'd watched her get pumped on her wedding night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Placid Casual Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Very true, bang out of order that was. I think Sansa's "WTF??" face will also be seen when she meets Arya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Ah, but Jon doesn't know that Daenerys is his Aunt, and besides all the best dynasties were founded upon incest. If Jon Snow has sex with his aunt Daenerys, will that make him a Hibs supporter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bajthejambo Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 I'm not so sure he would. The wee weirdo seemed pretty happy telling his sister he'd watched her get pumped on her wedding night. I found that strange too. "You looked Beautiful". It's just as well he's paralysed from the waist down, the dirty ******* pervert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richiehmfc Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 If Jon ends up becoming a drsgon rider, Viserion will die and Jon will end up riding Rhaegal, the Dragon named after his da Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk I agree with this, she made a point of telling Jon that they were named after her brothers. I don't think it will be this series though. I think it'll be part of the full ending, I think it'll be a wee teaser this series where it shows that the dragons won't hurt him. A big like Tyrion last series/2 series ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroHour Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 GoT needs some fresh puntang pie. Lena Headey bores me now and her nude scenes are done with body doubles (cause she's a flat chested hag with shite tattoo's). Seen enough Emilia Clarke now too, yawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say What Again Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 GoT needs some fresh puntang pie. Lena Headey bores me now and her nude scenes are done with body doubles (cause she's a flat chested hag with shite tattoo's). Seen enough Emilia Clarke now too, yawn. Arya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 See Melissandre telling Varys that they both need to die in a foreign country or something. Bit of foreshadowing I think. Poor Varys, I like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 GoT needs some fresh puntang pie. Lena Headey bores me now and her nude scenes are done with body doubles (cause she's a flat chested hag with shite tattoo's). Seen enough Emilia Clarke now too, yawn. Sure I read Emilia Clarke is a double too. It's a clause in her contract. Not that we've seen much of her recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Sure I read Emilia Clarke is a double too. It's a clause in her contract. Not that we've seen much of her recently.Was her at the start series 1 and 2 but then I'm sure a clause was put in so she didn't have to anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Jersey_HMFC Posted August 3, 2017 Author Share Posted August 3, 2017 Was her at the start series 1 and 2 but then I'm sure a clause was put in so she didn't have to anymore she said in the papers last year she didn't use a body double for the dosh Kaleen burning down scene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Next weeks episode leaked already pirate bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul Allen Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Episode 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_jailer Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Episode 4 Been leaked online Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Episode 4 Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Ah, but Jon doesn't know that Daenerys is his Aunt, and besides all the best dynasties were founded upon incest. His aunt? Is it not his half sister.. Thought They have the same dad..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William H. Bonney Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 His aunt? Is it not his half sister.. Thought They have the same dad..? Definitely his aunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mutley Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 His aunt? Is it not his half sister.. Thought They have the same dad..? Her dad was aerys the mad king, his dad is rhaegar the mad kings son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavsy Van Gaverson Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Leaked episode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Leaked episode agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Leaked episode was excellent again. They've nailed this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 They've merged Victarion and Euron and come up with something a bit too comical Totally agree with this. In the books he is very dark and I had expected him to be a bit less comical. Really enjoyed the episode but I am not buying him as a baddy in the way Joffrey/Ramsey were. They were brilliantly played Kinda pissed me off how they turned Euron into some all killing murderous insane Terminator. I'm also pissed at him for not waiting 10 more minutes so we got to see the two dirties Yara and Ellaria going at it. GoT needs some fresh puntang pie. Lena Headey bores me now and her nude scenes are done with body doubles (cause she's a flat chested hag with shite tattoo's). Seen enough Emilia Clarke now too, yawn. Lena Heady is fit man, don't let her portrayal of that monster Cersei throw you off! As for seeing too much of Emilia Clarke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Riddley Walker Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 That last scene was unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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