Manchester Arena

[Maroon Sailor]

Another man arrested at The Arndale but nothing to do with last night's attack

 

Incident over

[Governor Tarkin]

23 year old man arrested in South Manchester

The rozzers must be chomping at the bit to properly work this guy over.

 

I don't know how they hold it together to be honest.

[Armageddon]

Here was me thinking that Anonymous mob were stopping terror.

 

The world is ****ed, we're living on the most perfect place within the solar system that we know of and the human race ****s it up.

[doctor jambo]

but most inadequates and losers don't become mass murderers. The high proportion of those who do (outside perhaps the US with its easy access to weapons of mass destruction) are muslims. So to claim they are losers and inadequates seems to me to miss the point.

You mean apart from the US

And ETA, IRA , UDA, UVF, Red Hand Commandoes, SNLA,  Anders Breivick, pIRA, cont IRA

 

So yes. apart from all that mob ( and the various Sheik radical groups etc, White Supremacist groups all over the world ) then yes, this is solely a Muslim problem

[AlimOzturk]

nothing to with religion? That may just be true in this case though it seems unlikely. But the idea that mass murders by muslims has nothing to do with religion is part of the problem.

I never said it has nothing to do with religion. I said it is used as a blanket to justify, at least to themselves, the violence and terror they cause.

 

They are a minority of vast religion of peace. Even so, I agree with a wider radical solution to the problem and that would be long term ban on any Muslim entering this country unless totally vetted and checked against.

 

We can't keep suffering these atrocities

[Seymour M Hersh]

Islam has been trying to combat and fight Radical Islam for centuries now and they haven't found the answer thus far.

We in the West don't know the answer, that's for sure, and how would we know.

 

I agree with your post, the Muslim communities need to do more, some to their credit try and self police their communities but too many turn a blind eye and don't want to get involved, for whatever reason, possibly mostly through fear of retribution and this is where trust comes in, trust of the Police and to work with the Police and the authorities to try and identify people who are showing signs of radicalisation and to help them, if possible, before they can carry out an attack, this benefits everybody.

But whether this happens is open to question.

 

Have they? When there are more than 100 calls to violence against "non believers/infidels" in the Koran it's a tad hard to accept they've been trying all that hard to combat the "radical" side of their religion.

[Maroon Sailor]

The world is ****ed, we're living on the most perfect place within the solar system that we know of and the human race ****s it up.

Just pure hatred at times.

 

Still plenty good in this world but evil can snuff it out

[Maroon Sailor]

Why SKY still send Kay Burley to these atrocities to report live at the scene, I still find hard to imagine.

Might as well send a vulture.

She looks like one today

[Maroon Sailor]

Parents still waiting on news of their kids in operating theatres

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

Why SKY still send Kay Burley to these atrocities to report live at the scene, I still find hard to imagine.

 

Might as well send a vulture.

She is the dregs. That idiot Eamonn Holmes acting like a dick on Twitter too.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

Burley just called the chief constable Ian Huntley instead of Ian Hopkins. Going well already

[Maroon Sailor]

One of the most gaffe prone, and less empathetic interviewers on national television.

Agree - She seems to thrive on these type of incidents

[Locky]

What I think annoys me most in these situations is people using it as a platform to get involved in political debates.

 

Whatever side of the fence your on, we can all agree this is a sickening attack. Parents are still waiting to find out if their children are safe or not. I really don't see it as the time to be involved in debates or arguments.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

What I think annoys me most in these situations is people using it as a platform to get involved in political debates.

 

Whatever side of the fence your on, we can all agree this is a sickening attack. Parents are still waiting to find out if their children are safe or not. I really don't see it as the time to be involved in debates or arguments.

Not only that but it's the repetition too.

 

Hashtags

Some people ranting about Islam

Other people telling other people they're not allowed to have an opinion until "the full facts are known"

Katie Hopkins being a *****

Owen Jones singing cumbaya

Vigils

A bit of hand wringing

Most people move on a few days later, apart from the victims

 

Although I hugely admire the lengths people went to in Manchester to help the people who were at the arena.

[Jambof3tornado]

Kids dont go to pop concerts to not come home.

 

Sick *******s with no justification at all to target an event where innocent children are attending.

 

Unfortunately lone wolf attacks are almost impossible to predict/prevent.

[Fife jambo ryan]

Can't get my head around the sort of evil it would take to plan an attack on kids. It's incomprehensible.

 

 

 

 

 

Islam is the answer.

[elvoys]

You mean apart from the US

And ETA, IRA , UDA, UVF, Red Hand Commandoes, SNLA, Anders Breivick, pIRA, cont IRA

 

So yes. apart from all that mob ( and the various Sheik radical groups etc, White Supremacist groups all over the world ) then yes, this is solely a Muslim problem

I'd be surprised if all those groups combined for entire existence came close to effect of global jihad for just one year.

 

You're talking near 5 million displaced between Iraq and Nigeria alone, an annual fatality count of plus 30k and 30k plus individual attacks since 9/11. Its not hyperbole.

[redm]

What I think annoys me most in these situations is people using it as a platform to get involved in political debates.

 

Whatever side of the fence your on, we can all agree this is a sickening attack. Parents are still waiting to find out if their children are safe or not. I really don't see it as the time to be involved in debates or arguments.

Yep. Too many people using it as some sort of opportunity or vehicle to promote an agenda under guise of trying to discuss symptoms and cause. Often just thinly veiled bigotry. Nobody's "winning" in this scenario.

 

That there's any sort of fence to divide opinion in first place is the saddest thing.

[redm]

Islam is the answer.

It's really not.

[King prawn]

Islam is the answer.

No it isn't. People from all over the world have committed heinous crimes like the one yesterday.

[doctor jambo]

Islam is the answer.

No, it isn't -

No more than it is the cause of the many different terror groups globally of all different faiths and colours

 

the last great Manchester atrocity were white Irish

 

and despite the atrocities commited in the name of that cause many in our own country continue to have sympathies to what they did..... yet it was no different

its just more dead  kids in a different "cause"

[Pans Jambo]

This thread has turned quick.

[Jeff]

Youngest still missing is 6 years old... 6

[Fife jambo ryan]

No, it isn't -

No more than it is the cause of the many different terror groups globally of all different faiths and colours

 

the last great Manchester atrocity were white Irish

 

and despite the atrocities commited in the name of that cause many in our own country continue to have sympathies to what they did..... yet it was no different

its just more dead kids in a different "cause"

 

 

 

 

 

Is will claim this.

[Rudolf's Mate]

Youngest still missing is 6 years old... 6

FFS!

 

I've stopped watching/reading the news tbh. It's absolutely heartbreaking.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

IS claiming responsibility now.

[Maroon Sailor]

Is will claim this.

Just have

[doctor jambo]

I'd be surprised if all those groups combined for entire existence came close to effect of global jihad for just one year.

 

You're talking near 5 million displaced between Iraq and Nigeria alone, an annual fatality count of plus 30k and 30k plus individual attacks since 9/11. Its not hyperbole.

Its a civil war power struggle.

It happens

 

Communism killed more than Islam has.

The Nazis were pretty effective too

As were the Khmer Rouge

The tamil tigers?

India before the partitioning into Pakistan/India, and the struggles over Kashmir

Hutu vs Tutsi?

 

The above little non Islamic lot piss all over the ISIS mob- make them look like amateurs

They must have accounted for 40 million or so deaths without a Koran in sight for their "beliefs"

 

As they say every remembrance "LEST WE FORGET"

 

Radical idealism is not confined to Islam

[William H. Bonney]

Youngest still missing is 6 years old... 6

Heart breaking.

[redm]

Youngest still missing is 6 years old... 6

Saw a clip of a woman looking for her 15 year old daughter a short while ago and it was utterly heartbreaking. She was in such terrible pain. The word 'worried' doesn't come close to covering it.

 

Parents hunting for their lost babies. It's just the worst. Argh. [emoji31]

[John Findlay]

Warrington. Jonathan Bell. Children being murdered alas is not anything new. Sadly.

[Prince Buaben]

 

Message from the Queen

 

The whole nation has been shocked by the death and injury in Manchester last night of so many people, adults and children, who had just been enjoying a concert. I know I speak for everyone in expressing my deepest sympathy to all who have been affected by this dreadful event and especially to the families and friends of those who have died or were injured. I want to thank all the members of the emergency services, who have responded with such professionalism and care. And I would like to express my admiration for the way the people of Manchester have responded, with humanity and compassion, to this act of barbarity.

[elvoys]

No it isn't. People from all over the world have committed heinous crimes like the one yesterday.

That's simply untrue. Suicide bombing is solely used by jihadists groups across different contexts now that Tamil tigers have disbanded. On a tactical basis its also different from planting a bomb and phoning a warning in advance.

[Fife jambo ryan]

And what are we told? just accept it and carry on that is just submission to the problem

[Swarlos]

These tweets explain it well, wish people would understand that war and hate can only make things worse.

[auldy19]

Was so angry hearing this on the news this morning . Tragic waste of life of innocent people .

 

The question being what is the answer ? How does society respond ? How do the authorities respond ? So many questions but right now the main thoughts go out to those involved and thier families . Sad sad waste .

[All roads lead to Gorgie]

IS claiming responsibility now.

Surely every country that is harbouring this group must pull all resources to root it out once and for all and I include the UK in this. Throw the book at any hangers on. No pussy footing around it.

[doctor jambo]

That's simply untrue. Suicide bombing is solely used by jihadists groups across different contexts now that Tamil tigers have disbanded. On a tactical basis its also different from planting a bomb and phoning a warning in advance.

So now that the Christians have stopped doing it its only ever been a Muslim problem?

Confused much are you

[Cade]

Even though the attacker was not inside the venue and would not have been stopped by this: worrying reports from gig-goers are revealing that bags were not properly searched and that security was lax.

 

I expect this to be addressed in every venue in the nation after this.

[King prawn]

That's simply untrue. Suicide bombing is solely used by jihadists groups across different contexts now that Tamil tigers have disbanded. On a tactical basis its also different from planting a bomb and phoning a warning in advance.

People killing innocent people whether it's by using a bomb or a gun is horrific, cowardly and evil.

[elvoys]

So now that the Christians have stopped doing it its only ever been a Muslim problem?

Confused much are you

Tamil Christians? They were revolutionary Socialists from a Hindu milieu. Who is confused here?

[Francis Albert]

You mean apart from the US

And ETA, IRA , UDA, UVF, Red Hand Commandoes, SNLA,  Anders Breivick, pIRA, cont IRA

 

So yes. apart from all that mob ( and the various Sheik radical groups etc, White Supremacist groups all over the world ) then yes, this is solely a Muslim problem

Why don't you throw in a few more no longer active groups and individuals? I didn't say it was solely a muslim problem. I said it was not solely or primarily a problem with losers and inadequates.

 

I think most if not all of your list includes a racial, nationalist, or religious component. Current jihadist terrorism includes a pretty significant religious component. Something that for some reason we are supposed not to acknowledge.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Surely every country that is harbouring this group must pull all resources to root it out once and for all and I include the UK in this. Throw the book at any hangers on. No pussy footing around it.

 

Something needs to change.

 

Not a fan of Trump, however his speech he gave in Saudi Arabia the other day was spot on, every country needs to root out and destroy the radicals in their own country.

[Jeff]

8 year old announced dead. heartbreaking

[Escobar PHM]

Have they? When there are more than 100 calls to violence against "non believers/infidels" in the Koran it's a tad hard to accept they've been trying all that hard to combat the "radical" side of their religion.

Passages which are completely ignored by the overwhelming vast majority of non radical practising muslims because the overwhelming vast majority of non radical practising muslims finds them abhorrent and irrelevant.

[tian447]

Disgusting.

 

Why the **** do people do this? What is the point? What point does killing children prove apart from the fact that you are a tosser, and everything you stand for is pointless and deplorable.

[Francis Albert]

Something needs to change.

 

Not a fan of Trump, however his speech he gave in Saudi Arabia the other day was spot on, every country needs to root out and destroy the radicals in their own country.

Unfortunately, whatever Trump's intentions, the speech will be seen and is being seen as an endorsement of one branch of Muslim terrorism (Shia) over another branch (Sunni).

[Gizmo]

I never said it has nothing to do with religion. I said it is used as a blanket to justify, at least to themselves, the violence and terror they cause.

 

They are a minority of vast religion of peace. Even so, I agree with a wider radical solution to the problem and that would be long term ban on any Muslim entering this country unless totally vetted and checked against.

 

We can't keep suffering these atrocities

 

I don't think the problem is importing terrorists. I think the problem lies in the exporting of wahhibism by the Saudis. It's taught in mosques, it's taught in "faith" schools (something that imo is incompatible with education and should be strictly separated) and it is an uncompromising, totalitarian vision of Islam. There is also plenty of evidence that the Saudis fund underground movements linked to terror groups.

 

And what do we do about it, do we pressure them or threaten sanctions? No, we queue up to buy their oil and prostrate ourselves to them in order sell them weaponry.

 

 

[Maroon Sailor]

8 year old announced dead. heartbreaking

8 year old lassie from Leyland

[tian447]

I noticed that Donald Trump has come out and said "I won't call these people monsters, because they will like that. Instead, I will call them losers because that's what they are" (bit of paraphrasing).

 

Whilst I don't agree with him in a lot of things, this is exactly what these sub-human cretins are.

 

Losers.