General Election

[Victorian]

On the day a general election is proposed, there's already a situation where the Labour Party is being criticised for attempting to put some focus on traditional issues like the economy, NHS and other services, instead of dancing to the Tory Party / media tune that the ONLY show in town is Brexit. The dye is already cast on that score. It's quite incredible - and absurd - that basic, big ticket issues are already being kicked into the long grass by the media. Brexit is of course a very important part of this election but the prospective winning party will also have to govern the country on a day to day and issue to issue basis, much like every other imcoming government. All of the majot departments need to be run. All associated budgets must be set. A wide ranging political and economic philosophy has to be set out and enacted.

 

Excuse me Tory Party and compliant media..if you don't mind too much, I'd like to find out what everyone plans to do in government should they be elected. To concentrate on the day job and who's best to carry it out.

[SwindonJambo]

I think the SNP might lose a couple of seats, but if the Lib Dems don't select a new candidate in Orkney/Shetland that could go any way and will the Hearts vote prop up Murray again?

So it could be 56 SNP v 3 Tory.

Scotland and Northern Ireland have the most political intrigue in this election, England will be about how many Tory seats gain from Labour and Wales is likely to stay the same.

I should add that Labour will not be wiped out, they have some seats that are just never going Tory. Corbyn does have some support

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Agree with all of that. Corbyn's support may be small but it's very passionate and in too many cases aggressive. There are swathes of seats all over Northern England and South Wales which would elect a donkey with a red rosette. Probably about 150 seats. That's where FPTP unfairly favours Labour and Conservative- their respective core immovable supports are all concentrated in certain geographical areas, though in fairness that's collapsed in Scotland.

 

It's going to be fascinating to see how it all plays out. We seem to be voting a bit frequently these days - I hope there isn't voter fatigue and a low turnout.

[EwanHearts]

See Labour in 2010. Historic high. A year later decimated at Holyrood. 4 years later 1 MP. A year later still 3rd place.

 

All in 6 years.

 

Change can be quick and brutal.

 

Democrats 49 states in 1964. Republicans 49 states in 1972. Watergate and Vietnam. Republicans 49 states in 1984.

 

Labour: laughing stock in 1935. Landslide in 1945. Labour, suicidal, full of entryist Militants in 1983, landslides in 1997 and 2001. Conservatives, 166 seats in 1997, 400 being forecast now.

[Space Mackerel]

What's happening to the dodgy expenses from the last elections? [emoji2]

[Victorian]

What's happening to the dodgy expenses from the last elections? [emoji2]

You might need to expand on that for non C4 news viewers. The matter doesn't seem to exist on other outlets.

[Space Mackerel]

You might need to expand on that for non C4 news viewers. The matter doesn't seem to exist on other outlets.

It's almost like the Torys have called this election so they have avoided the tin pail. :-/

[Victorian]

It's almost like the Torys have called this election so they have avoided the tin pail. :-/

There's a bit of mileage left in it but it at least removes the embarrassment of by-elections.

 

The legal ramifications will play out anyway.

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BREAKING: The CPS have told Channel 4 News tonight that they are considering charges against more than 30 individuals. #electionexpenses

[Irufushi]

I see the usual suspect is at the old link posting.

[Space Mackerel]

There's a bit of mileage left in it but it at least removes the embarrassment of by-elections.

 

The legal ramifications will play out anyway.

Just as well they only cheated since 2015, that's a full year before indyref1 too. :-/

[Space Mackerel]

alex thomson?Verified account @alextomo 5h5 hours ago

 

 

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BREAKING: The CPS have told Channel 4 News tonight that they are considering charges against more than 30 individuals. #electionexpenses

I love proper investigative journalists who take on Sevco and the Tory Pary, one of a kind [emoji41]

[Rudy T]

Reading this thread confirms my long held opinion on the independence hard liners and that it's as much about dethroning and destroying the Tory party as it is about the reality of independence. This hatred stems from Thatcher and Sturgeon is utterly blinded by it. Salmond was bad but Sturgeon has taken it to a new level. The referendum stunk of it last time.

 

Well they've got their fight now. This looks a straight up square go between the two. And this time it'll be last man standing. It doesn't strike me as the behaviour of parties that really care about the country or its people. It's all become very personal.

 

May will go all out on the union vote and it'll be a real test of independence appetite and yet again our country will be divided not on issues that effect us on a daily basis but on whether the SNP can take us out of our current union and then attempt to force us into a union with a shambolic Europe.

[SwindonJambo]

Reading this thread confirms my long held opinion on the independence hard liners and that it's as much about dethroning and destroying the Tory party as it is about the reality of independence. This hatred stems from Thatcher and Sturgeon is utterly blinded by it. Salmond was bad but Sturgeon has taken it to a new level. The referendum stunk of it last time.

Well they've got their fight now. This looks a straight up square go between the two. And this time it'll be last man standing. It doesn't strike me as the behaviour of parties that really care about the country or its people. It's all become very personal.

May will go all out on the union vote and it'll be a real test of independence appetite and yet again our country will be divided not on issues that effect us on a daily basis but on whether the SNP can take us out of our current union and then attempt to force us into a union with a shambolic Europe.

Sturgeon lived her formative years under Thatcher and it's clearly shaped her views so that bears out your first point. Yep - it's pure party politics,posturing and power games with the electorate the canonfodder. I've met loads of Europeans who would gladly leave the EU, which is indeed an utter shambles, dominated by 1 country. Our exit will cement that country's dominance.

 

Excellent post btw,.

[aussieh]

Lesley Riddoch bielin' because Scotland's not yet independent.

Only right weirdos don't want to run their own country.

[aussieh]

On the day a general election is proposed, there's already a situation where the Labour Party is being criticised for attempting to put some focus on traditional issues like the economy, NHS and other services, instead of dancing to the Tory Party / media tune that the ONLY show in town is Brexit. The dye is already cast on that score. It's quite incredible - and absurd - that basic, big ticket issues are already being kicked into the long grass by the media. Brexit is of course a very important part of this election but the prospective winning party will also have to govern the country on a day to day and issue to issue basis, much like every other imcoming government. All of the majot departments need to be run. All associated budgets must be set. A wide ranging political and economic philosophy has to be set out and enacted.

 

Excuse me Tory Party and compliant media..if you don't mind too much, I'd like to find out what everyone plans to do in government should they be elected. To concentrate on the day job and who's best to carry it out.

The SNP wants you to have your own government. Vote for anyone else, then your wanting Tory rule over Scotland.

Scotland v Empire, your choice. Scottish v British/English

Left v far right

Socialist v Fascist

Peace v War

The best small country in the world v C...s.

Choice v telt

Saltire v Bogroll

Republic v Inbreds

Bravehearts v Fingerbums

[Arnold Rothstein]

The SNP wants you to have your own government. Vote for anyone else, then your wanting Tory rule over Scotland.

Scotland v Empire, your choice. Scottish v British/English

Left v far right

Socialist v Fascist

Peace v War

The best small country in the world v C...s.

So angry. You should put your energy into something else oz, alleviate some of that tension. Maybe English language lessons?

[stevie]

In the history of the Labour Party,have they ever been in such a shanbolic mess?

I couldn't bring myself to vote for a party with Corbyn at the helm,throw in John McDonnell and Diane Abbott and it gets even worse.So do I vote Torie or Lib dem?Who are best placed to fight of the SNP Nazi's?

[hughesie27]

In the history of the Labour Party,have they ever been in such a shanbolic mess?

I couldn't bring myself to vote for a party with Corbyn at the helm,throw in John McDonnell and Diane Abbott and it gets even worse.So do I vote Torie or Lib dem?Who are best placed to fight of the SNP Nazi's?

Find a party that supports the views and values that you hold.

 

The only challenger to SNP up here is Labour and you habe already ruled them out.

[stevie]

Find a party that supports the views and values that you hold.

 

The only challenger to SNP up here is Labour and you habe already ruled them out.

Always been a Labour man but the party seems to be in a time warp.

[Arnold Rothstein]

In the history of the Labour Party,have they ever been in such a shanbolic mess?

I couldn't bring myself to vote for a party with Corbyn at the helm,throw in John McDonnell and Diane Abbott and it gets even worse.So do I vote Torie or Lib dem?Who are best placed to fight of the SNP Nazi's?

Depends on your constituency. If it's Edinburgh West for example then I would vote Lib Dem.

[jambo lodge]

Just listened to Angus Robertson on Radio Scotland. Not a clue when asked what the SNP policy on Europe will be in their manifesto. Asked the listeners for their ideas as to what might be in the manifesto.............clueless.

[aussieh]

Just listened to Angus Robertson on Radio Scotland. Not a clue when asked what the SNP policy on Europe will be in their manifesto. Asked the listeners for their ideas as to what might be in the manifesto.............clueless.

Single Market membership. What's the Traitors offering.

[Space Mackerel]

Just listened to Angus Robertson on Radio Scotland. Not a clue when asked what the SNP policy on Europe will be in their manifesto. Asked the listeners for their ideas as to what might be in the manifesto.............clueless.

It would be nice to hear from Maggie May on her strategy from exiting the EU.

 

Oh wait, she's shitting it from any tv debate.

[aussieh]

It would be nice to hear from Maggie May on her strategy from exiting the EU.

 

Oh wait, she's shitting it from any tv debate.

There's the thing, She'll need to show her hand now she's asked for an election.

[frankblack]

There's the thing, She'll need to show her hand now she's asked for an election.

 

So will the SNP - this vote in Scotland will be fought on a strict SNP vs Anti-SNP basis in each constituency.  Labour may end up doing surprisingly well up here as a result and take back seats from you.

 

I would be worried if I was you.  The SNP are going to lose seats - its just a matter of how many.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

Guessing McGlashan tops the post count already.

[Rudy T]

Sturgeon lived her formative years under Thatcher and it's clearly shaped her views so that bears out your first point. Yep - it's pure party politics,posturing and power games with the electorate the canonfodder. I've met loads of Europeans who would gladly leave the EU, which is indeed an utter shambles, dominated by 1 country. Our exit will cement that country's dominance.

 

Excellent post btw,.

It's already starting to have the feel of two champion boxers who have bad mouthed each other for years. Now there's no one else to fight one has challenged the other in one last career defining slug fest. It's going to be bloody and nasty!

[aussieh]

So will the SNP - this vote in Scotland will be fought on a strict SNP vs Anti-SNP basis in each constituency. Labour may end up doing surprisingly well up here as a result and take back seats from you.

 

I would be worried if I was you. The SNP are going to lose seats - its just a matter of how many.

Worried why? Slab are a busted flush, and I know for a fact The Tories are not a threat, so who's taking what from the SNP, who will take between 52 and 59 seats.

Scotland will be Independent by July, perfect timing. Independence day July 12. Oh, Unionist pain will be so good. Tears and snotters everywhere.

[Boris]

So will the SNP - this vote in Scotland will be fought on a strict SNP vs Anti-SNP basis in each constituency.  Labour may end up doing surprisingly well up here as a result and take back seats from you.

 

I would be worried if I was you.  The SNP are going to lose seats - its just a matter of how many.

 

And in the meantime the right wing Tories grab more power.  Divide and conquer aided and abetted by blinkered thinking.

 

BTW, no real issues if Labour or Lib Dems take SNP seats, still opposed to the Tories.  They are the real danger to this country (UK & Scotland), imo.

[Rudy T]

I just don't see Labour's voice getting heard in Scotland, they might well have a nice set of progressive policies but who is going to vote for that, most of them are devolved issues anyway.

 

This election is about the EU and Independence, your vote is going to be framed around that.

 

Pro Independence - SNP

Unionist Pro EU - Lib Dem

Unionist Brexiteer - Conservative

 

I just don't see a big group for Labour to pick up and grab their votes.

 

The same thing could well happen in England if the Remainers get up off there arse and vote for the Lib Dems.

I agree with most of that. But I'm not sure what the lib dems can do about Brexit. Sure they can soften it a bit but then does that come across as weaknesses when it comes to negotiations? I honestly think it's just Tory v SNP. No v Yes. May and Sturgeon know it and will go all out on it. The lib dems and labour are a side show, lib dem votes would play into the SNPs hands and many will take that view and grudgingly vote tory as a one of tactical vote. This really isn't a general election it's a bitch fight!

[aussieh]

And in the meantime the right wing Tories grab more power. Divide and conquer aided and abetted by blinkered thinking.

 

BTW, no real issues if Labour or Lib Dems take SNP seats, still opposed to the Tories. They are the real danger to this country (UK & Scotland), imo.

Union at any cost it seems Boris. They've an absolute cheek slagging yes voters for Independence at any cost.

[Space Mackerel]

There's the thing, She'll need to show her hand now she's asked for an election.

She'll do yet another U turn and look a fool for the umpteenth time again. She's hopeless in debates though. Angus Robertson rips her up for arse paper at PMQ's every week.

 

2 good articles from Craig Murray below

 

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/04/the-cottonwool-election/

 

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/03/disappearing-prime-minister/#respond

 

 

 

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[Victorian]

The SNP will lose seats. They'll probably slide back to approx 40 to 45 seats at the worst. That would still massively eclipse any return they've had apart from the last one. They'll be portrayed as losing ground but in truth they still have huge support. Seats will be lost to some tactical voting, as eagerly forecast (encouraged) by the BBC and other media.

[GBJambo]

Worried why? Slab are a busted flush, and I know for a fact The Tories are not a threat, so who's taking what from the SNP, who will take between 52 and 59 seats.

Scotland will be Independent by July, perfect timing. Independence day July 12. Oh, Unionist pain will be so good. Tears and snotters everywhere.

Panicking

[frankblack]

I just don't see Labour's voice getting heard in Scotland, they might well have a nice set of progressive policies but who is going to vote for that, most of them are devolved issues anyway.

 

This election is about the EU and Independence, your vote is going to be framed around that.

 

Pro Independence - SNP

Unionist Pro EU - Lib Dem

Unionist Brexiteer - Conservative

 

I just don't see a big group for Labour to pick up and grab their votes.

 

The same thing could well happen in England if the Remainers get up off there arse and vote for the Lib Dems.

 

In Scotland the vote is a simple choice of Pro Union or Indy at all costs.  Its a binary decision like a yes/no referendum, and Brexit will not come into it.

[aussieh]

I agree with most of that. But I'm not sure what the lib dems can do about Brexit. Sure they can soften it a bit but then does that come across as weaknesses when it comes to negotiations? I honestly think it's just Tory v SNP. No v Yes. May and Sturgeon know it and will go all out on it. The lib dems and labour are a side show, lib dem votes would play into the SNPs hands and many will take that view and grudgingly vote tory as a one of tactical vote. This really isn't a general election it's a bitch fight!

Scottish Labour voters need to realise Labour have gone in England. England is unfortunately now right wing Tory. This socialist Britain mantra is history. The only way for Scotland to avoid this is Independence, with an elected Labour party.

Your gonnae have to decide now. Scottish Independence or Tory rule. No its no buts. And if you chose Tory rule, well hell mend you.

Shut Holyrood and remove the name of Scotland from everything. Arseholes.

[frankblack]

Worried why? Slab are a busted flush, and I know for a fact The Tories are not a threat, so who's taking what from the SNP, who will take between 52 and 59 seats.

Scotland will be Independent by July, perfect timing. Independence day July 12. Oh, Unionist pain will be so good. Tears and snotters everywhere.

 

Maybe in whatever reality you are living in.  Meanwhile for the rest of us it will be business as usual in the UK.

 

And in the meantime the right wing Tories grab more power.  Divide and conquer aided and abetted by blinkered thinking.

 

BTW, no real issues if Labour or Lib Dems take SNP seats, still opposed to the Tories.  They are the real danger to this country (UK & Scotland), imo.

 

The SNP are a bigger danger than the Tories and will wreck our economy with their Independence at all costs.  We have yet to see what their policies are for the deficit, currency, etc.  The signs are there for all to see with Scotland's economy performing worse than the rest of the UK.

 

Meanwhile in Education the EIS are due to start 3 day a week strikes from May over pay...

[Mikey1874]

On the day a general election is proposed, there's already a situation where the Labour Party is being criticised for attempting to put some focus on traditional issues like the economy, NHS and other services, instead of dancing to the Tory Party / media tune that the ONLY show in town is Brexit. The dye is already cast on that score. It's quite incredible - and absurd - that basic, big ticket issues are already being kicked into the long grass by the media. Brexit is of course a very important part of this election but the prospective winning party will also have to govern the country on a day to day and issue to issue basis, much like every other imcoming government. All of the majot departments need to be run. All associated budgets must be set. A wide ranging political and economic philosophy has to be set out and enacted.

 

Excuse me Tory Party and compliant media..if you don't mind too much, I'd like to find out what everyone plans to do in government should they be elected. To concentrate on the day job and who's best to carry it out.

A bit old fashioned. But might suddenly.

 

10 years of SNP government bringing awful child poverty, education and struggling health fugures.

 

And you still get people saying thet switched from Labour to SNP because they are now the true party of the people.

 

Till independence is set aside or achieved this will continue. Could be 20 years of wasted time in government.

[aussieh]

A bit old fashioned. But might suddenly.

 

10 years of SNP government bringing awful child poverty, education and struggling health fugures.

 

And you still get people saying thet switched from Labour to SNP because they are now the true party of the people.

 

Till independence is set aside or achieved this will continue. Could be 20 years of wasted time in government.

Utter lies.

[Victorian]

In Scotland the vote is a simple choice of Pro Union or Indy at all costs. Its a binary decision like a yes/no referendum, and Brexit will not come into it.

The Tories already have a Brexit mandate but are begging for a bigger one to offset the fact that not all Tory MPs will fall into line. The SNP don't need to campaign for a referendum as that mandate is also already there. It has even been endorsed by Holyrood.

 

Perhaps the Tory party would be better to fix their internal division instead of maligning those with a clear mandate which has already been successfully implemented.

[aussieh]

Maybe in whatever reality you are living in. Meanwhile for the rest of us it will be business as usual in the UK.

 

 

The SNP are a bigger danger than the Tories and will wreck our economy with their Independence at all costs. We have yet to see what their policies are for the deficit, currency, etc. The signs are there for all to see with Scotland's economy performing worse than the rest of the UK.

 

Meanwhile in Education the EIS are due to start 3 day a week strikes from May over pay...

UK tick tock

 

 

If not through Scottish Independence, then by Russian bombs.

Any will suffice.

[Boris]

 

 

The SNP are a bigger danger than the Tories and will wreck our economy with their Independence at all costs.  We have yet to see what their policies are for the deficit, currency, etc.  The signs are there for all to see with Scotland's economy performing worse than the rest of the UK.

 

Meanwhile in Education the EIS are due to start 3 day a week strikes from May over pay...

 

Says it all.  Obviously you are more than welcome to vote how you see fit, but to me at least I can't understand how anyone can see the Tories in a good light.

 

Be careful what you wish for.

[jambo lodge]

And in the meantime the right wing Tories grab more power.  Divide and conquer aided and abetted by blinkered thinking.

 

BTW, no real issues if Labour or Lib Dems take SNP seats, still opposed to the Tories.  They are the real danger to this country (UK & Scotland), imo.

Funny that, you must be hard of hearing. Scottish Secretary of State this morning confirming that Holyrood will be given more powers post Brexit. The Tories are the only safe pair of hands at the moment for both the UK and Scotland.

[hughesie27]

Funny that, you must be hard of hearing. Scottish Secretary of State this morning confirming that Holyrood will be given more powers post Brexit. The Tories are the only safe pair of hands at the moment for both the UK and Scotland.

What about the extra powers we were promised by voting No after the original referendum? Did they ever surface?

[Doogz]

What about the extra powers we were promised by voting No after the original referendum? Did they ever surface?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland_Act_2016

[Space Mackerel]

The SNP will lose seats. They'll probably slide back to approx 40 to 45 seats at the worst. That would still massively eclipse any return they've had apart from the last one. They'll be portrayed as losing ground but in truth they still have huge support. Seats will be lost to some tactical voting, as eagerly forecast (encouraged) by the BBC and other media.

You're listening too much to the deluded Yoons on here and their wishful thinking.

 

SNP have increased their percentage of the vote, more so for a GE.

 

It's way over 50% now.

 

 

 

 

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[Doogz]

You're listening too much to the deluded Yoons on here and their wishful thinking.

 

SNP have increased their percentage of the vote, more so for a GE.

 

It's way over 50% now.

 

 

 

 

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How much is "way over 50%" ? Actually, probably best if you just provide a link to this poll ...... it's not the one that asked 175 people again is it ?

[aussieh]

You're listening too much to the deluded Yoons on here and their wishful thinking.

 

SNP have increased their percentage of the vote, more so for a GE.

 

It's way over 50% now.

 

 

 

 

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Mack, do me favour. Can you put up the David Davies interview with Dan Walker on BBC breakfast this morning, please.

 

it's a treat.

[aussieh]

What about the extra powers we were promised by voting No after the original referendum? Did they ever surface?

No

[Doogz]

What about the extra powers we were promised by voting No after the original referendum? Did they ever surface?

 

 

No

 

What about the Scotland Act 2016 ?  https://www.snp.org/pb_what_powers_does_the_scotland_act_2016_devolve