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Confidence and supply = DUP voting with Conservatives on Queen's Speech and Budgets.

 

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Brutal cold bloodied reptiles.

 

 

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DUP voted with them , ironic as they are handed ?1.5 billion  for NI, there public services will be happy though. 

 

Reptiles is talking them up.

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Brutal cold bloodied reptiles.

 

 

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DUP voted with them , ironic as they are handed ?1.5 billion  for NI, there public services will be happy though. 

The self interested on here wonder why I call them lizards. Gave themselves an 11% pay rise though.

 

Utter filth.

 

UKIP are nicer even...

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Govt promises to fund NI women having abortions on the NHS in the rest of the UK in a bid to stave off a defeat in the commons.

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doctor jambo

Govt promises to fund NI women having abortions on the NHS in the rest of the UK in a bid to stave off a defeat in the commons.

Of course, and so they should

We always have done too, and those from Ireland

This is nothing new

They are just pretending like its a new thing

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Of course, and so they should

We always have done too, and those from Ireland

This is nothing new

They are just pretending like its a new thing

Women in NI travelling to the mainland to have an abortion were being charged ?900.

 

Now they won't be.

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John Findlay

Well done by the DUPpers.

 

Now they have to try and get the Assembly back to spend it.

If they offer Sinn Fein the right amount all will be fine.

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doctor jambo

Women in NI travelling to the mainland to have an abortion were being charged ?900.

 

Now they won't be.

Not in Scotland they weren't

 

but perhaps they should deduct ?900 each time this happens from the ?1billion,  and put the girls up in good hotels and feed them etc-this would seem only fair for being put through this.

Travel costs + subsitance + ?900 charge+ accommodation all deducted from the "settlement"  to NI

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Not in Scotland they weren't

 

but perhaps they should deduct ?900 each time this happens from the ?1billion,  and put the girls up in good hotels and feed them etc-this would seem only fair for being put through this.

Travel costs + subsitance + ?900 charge+ accommodation all deducted from the "settlement"  to NI

:yas:

 

that'd be grand

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Not in Scotland they weren't

 

but perhaps they should deduct ?900 each time this happens from the ?1billion,  and put the girls up in good hotels and feed them etc-this would seem only fair for being put through this.

Travel costs + subsitance + ?900 charge+ accommodation all deducted from the "settlement"  to NI

If the DUP (& the others) wern't so bloody old testament then the girls wouldn't need to travel in the first place.

 

Fluffy & Co did well sneaking a Billion to N.I. & not 1 penny more in Barnett Consequentials for Scotland though. Should be almost ?3Bn extra for Scotland.

 

Showing his true colours.

 

Of course we cant really afford it although I just watched a ?3.1Billion pound boat chug up the forth earlier this week and I will watch another one in a couple of years. That'll help the NHS etc.

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If the DUP (& the others) wern't so bloody old testament then the girls wouldn't need to travel in the first place.

 

Fluffy & Co did well sneaking a Billion to N.I. & not 1 penny more in Barnett Consequentials for Scotland though. Should be almost ?3Bn extra for Scotland.

 

Showing his true colours.

 

Of course we cant really afford it although I just watched a ?3.1Billion pound boat chug up the forth earlier this week and I will watch another one in a couple of years. That'll help the NHS etc.

Ruth should refuse to back the PM unless we get ?3 billion

Which we will spend on gay bakeries, rainbow marches and building a massive Sexual health clinic with spa, 5 * hotel and "Gordon Ramsey at Stranraer" brasserie for the exclusive use of the women of NI who need it

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Ruth should refuse to back the PM unless we get ?3 billion

Which we will spend on gay bakeries, rainbow marches and building a massive Sexual health clinic with spa, 5 * hotel and "Gordon Ramsey at Stranraer" brasserie for the exclusive use of the women of NI who need it

Ruth should refuse to back the PM but she wont. She will completely capitulate and even endorse her to the hilt as shes nothing but a wee lapdog and just the leader of the westminster tory Scottish branch office.

 

As for the rest of your post... :wtfvlad:

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If the DUP (& the others) wern't so bloody old testament then the girls wouldn't need to travel in the first place.

 

Fluffy & Co did well sneaking a Billion to N.I. & not 1 penny more in Barnett Consequentials for Scotland though. Should be almost ?3Bn extra for Scotland.

 

Showing his true colours.

 

Of course we cant really afford it although I just watched a ?3.1Billion pound boat chug up the forth earlier this week and I will watch another one in a couple of years. That'll help the NHS etc.

A pity, then, that you didn't recognise that the "boat" is a tangible result of the defence spending dividend that has seen (and will continue to see) a disproportionate amount spent in Scotland. That is money that is NOT included in the Barnett formula.

 

To remind you - 15% of Scotland's industrial output relies on the Royal Navy.

 

Mind you, there is always the couple of billion of Barnett Consequentials that (per Audit Scotland) the Scottish Government diverts from front line NHS in Scotland. That might be a good place to start.

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A pity, then, that you didn't recognise that the "boat" is a tangible result of the defence spending dividend that has seen (and will continue to see) a disproportionate amount spent in Scotland. That is money that is NOT included in the Barnett formula.

 

To remind you - 15% of Scotland's industrial output relies on the Royal Navy.

 

Mind you, there is always the couple of billion of Barnett Consequentials that (per Audit Scotland) the Scottish Government diverts from front line NHS in Scotland. That might be a good place to start.

Theyre dick measuring excerises. A throwback to a long gone empire that used to think it ruled the waves.

 

Wont even have planes on them for 4 or 5 years as it is (& they will be American planes).

 

Next thing you know we will be spending untold billions on some submarines or something!

 

Lets just be independent then we wont even need to discuss the Barnett formula in the first place!

 

Nice to see you're happy with Scotland NOT getting the 3?Billion though...

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Theyre dick measuring excerises. A throwback to a long gone empire that used to think it ruled the waves.

 

Wont even have planes on them for 4 or 5 years as it is (& they will be American planes).

 

Next thing you know we will be spending untold billions on some submarines or something!

 

Lets just be independent then we wont even need to discuss the Barnett formula in the first place!

 

Nice to see you're happy with Scotland NOT getting the 3?Billion though...

So, on the substantive point - the defence dividend - nothing. The rest is just poorly informed diversion.

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Theyre dick measuring excerises. A throwback to a long gone empire that used to think it ruled the waves.

 

Wont even have planes on them for 4 or 5 years as it is (& they will be American planes).

 

Next thing you know we will be spending untold billions on some submarines or something!

 

Lets just be independent then we wont even need to discuss the Barnett formula in the first place!

 

Nice to see you're happy with Scotland NOT getting the 3?Billion though...

1. A Brexit nation will be more global in trade - so the theory goes. Most trade is still conducted by sea. You need to protect shipping lanes in that case. I wouldn't be surprised if a future SDR proposes a bigger Navy. Of which they're a big part.

 

2. Correct. Huge procurement screw ups on the planes. We bought the wrong one. Cheaper, French option was available.

 

3. Barnett. The ?1bn is NOT a Barnet issue. It's a grant outwith Barnet. Core spend in England by WHITEHALL on education and health (etc) needs to occur for Barnet to cick in. We missed out because the SNP won't deal with May. Stormont has an extra billion now. Sturgeon as the leader of a nationalist party should drop her pretence on political favourites and be open to deal. Her interest isn't socialism or the left (or the right) it's centrism and expedience to independence. She showed that on the dog tails recently - shifting right to woo farmers back - and on education were her party and the Tories joined to dilute local government control of schools - like academies down south - to woo middle class Tories. Both sets of voters they lost a month ago.

 

If you want ?3bn extra ask why they won't do deals like the DUP will. The DUP will work with anyone in Whitehall to serve NI. There's why the billion happened.

 

Barnett is faux outrage as here it's got zilch to do with it.

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I have never in my life witnessed anyone hurting more than maroonlegions on this thread. Ever. About anything :lol:

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So, on the substantive point - the defence dividend - nothing. The rest is just poorly informed diversion.

Yip, like faslane I am sure they support 350,000 Scottish jobs and independence would mean that they would have been built in Sri Lanka or land locked Zimbabwe or whatever. Thank the lord for the UK eh!

No MOD bases closed up here then?

At a time of lizard imposed austerity should we be spending over ?6Bn on a floating runway with no aircraft to go on them?

That desperate to cling to power they offerred a terrorist political wing ?1.5Bn bribe.

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1. A Brexit nation will be more global in trade - so the theory goes. Most trade is still conducted by sea. You need to protect shipping lanes in that case. I wouldn't be surprised if a future SDR proposes a bigger Navy. Of which they're a big part.

 

2. Correct. Huge procurement screw ups on the planes. We bought the wrong one. Cheaper, French option was available.

 

3. Barnett. The ?1bn is NOT a Barnet issue. It's a grant outwith Barnet. Core spend in England by WHITEHALL on education and health (etc) needs to occur for Barnet to cick in. We missed out because the SNP won't deal with May. Stormont has an extra billion now. Sturgeon as the leader of a nationalist party should drop her pretence on political favourites and be open to deal. Her interest isn't socialism or the left (or the right) it's centrism and expedience to independence. She showed that on the dog tails recently - shifting right to woo farmers back - and on education were her party and the Tories joined to dilute local government control of schools - like academies down south - to woo middle class Tories. Both sets of voters they lost a month ago.

 

If you want ?3bn extra ask why they won't do deals like the DUP will. The DUP will work with anyone in Whitehall to serve NI. There's why the billion happened.

 

Barnett is faux outrage as here it's got zilch to do with it.

1. You can buy 6 or 7 vessels to protect shipping lanes effectivley for the price of 1 aircraft carrier.

 

3. The fact is NI are getting additional money and so by the Barnett rules so should Scotland & Wales. Idesputible fact. Dress it up any way you like but Because of this dodgy deal to stay in office, the tories have short changed us by ?2.9Bn.

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I suppose the ?1.5Bn bribe money could have went towards giving the public sector a real wage increase.

Shame the ruling UK party of lizards and old testament terrorist sympathisers voted it down & then celebrated when they won the vote though.

Got money for foreign wars - yes plenty.

Got money for useless nuclear bombs - yes plenty

Got money to bribe the DUP & stay in corrupt power - yes around ?1.5Bn

Got money for nuclear submarines - Yes plenty

Got money for floating runways - Yes plenty

Got money to gave yourself an 11% pay increase - Yes plenty

Got money to give our Monarch a multi million pound wage increase? - Yes no problem

Got money to pay for over ?1Bn renovations for a palace to house Billionaires - Yes Plenty

Got any money to give Corporations and Billionaires tax cuts? - Yes plenty as long as they are tory party doners.

Got any money for the NHS - No we are giving huge NHS contracts to private companies but its all good because most of the lizard party or their families are share holders in said private companies.

Got any money to halt austerity - no we are skint

Got any money to pay for public sector pay increases - where is the money going to come from? - No.

 

Lizards. Shown for what they are when the cheered and celebrated keeping our firefighters on the breadline.

 

If you voted tory you should be ashamed.

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1. You can buy 6 or 7 vessels to protect shipping lanes effectivley for the price of 1 aircraft carrier.

 

3. The fact is NI are getting additional money and so by the Barnett rules so should Scotland & Wales. Idesputible fact. Dress it up any way you like but Because of this dodgy deal to stay in office, the tories have short changed us by ?2.9Bn.

1. Fair point. But you require air cover at sea too. Partly why UK naval operations of late have been close to home.

 

2. No. Barnett has nothing to do with any of this. It's a political deal no more grubby than that kf the Welsh Lab-Lib pact or the SNP-Green one. Read up on Barnett. It's really got nothing to do with this money. I was startled how many MPs and MSPs got that wrong over the past few days on all sides.

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1. Fair point. But you require air cover at sea too. Partly why UK naval operations of late have been close to home.

 

2. No. Barnett has nothing to do with any of this. It's a political deal no more grubby than that kf the Welsh Lab-Lib pact or the SNP-Green one. Read up on Barnett. It's really got nothing to do with this money. I was startled how many MPs and MSPs got that wrong over the past few days on all sides.

1. They do but helicopers can be and are launched from much smaller vessels than a 65,000 ?3.2 Billion floating super driveway.

 

2. Regardless. Its still actually extra money. It's a bribe. they get it, Wales & Scotland should too.

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UK Government priorities:

 

1. Money

 

2. Human life

 

Just for a change why dont we change these priorities round?

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John Findlay

UK Government priorities:

 

1. Money

 

2. Human life

 

Just for a change why dont we change these priorities round?

We haven't in the past. Why change a habit of the human race?

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1. They do but helicopers can be and are launched from much smaller vessels than a 65,000 ?3.2 Billion floating super driveway.

 

2. Regardless. Its still actually extra money. It's a bribe. they get it, Wales & Scotland should too.

A bribe involves some sort of support or action after it is paid. What support is Scotland giving here?

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Dusk_Till_Dawn

Looks like the Northern Ireland assembly is toast. Same old politics over there.

 

Mind you, that 4pm deadline set yesterday was laughable.

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A bribe involves some sort of support or action after it is paid. What support is Scotland giving here?

Not sure what you mean.

 

The Lizzard party are giving the Old Testament Party a ?Billion to support them in Westminster (Hence the recent vote to maintain the 1% pay cap for the public sector was passed). Thats the bribe.

 

Theres a basic rule in regard to Westminster dishing out cash to the devolved nations. Its called Barnett. One gets more of an 'award' and the same percentage goes to the others.

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Thunderstruck

UK Government priorities:

 

1. Money

 

2. Human life

 

Just for a change why dont we change these priorities round?

Want to give us a similar list of priorities for the Scottish Government.

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Want to give us a similar list of priorities for the Scottish Government.

Well its not lets give mahoosive tax cuts to corporation and allow Billionaires to hide billions off-shore.

 

Nor is it to spend untold billions on WMD's or foreign wars or 'look at me, look at me I have an aircraft carrier dont you know'.

 

Nor is it to cut public sector pay or charge the disabled for a 2nd bedroom.

 

You can see where this is going...

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Thunderstruck

Well its not lets give mahoosive tax cuts to corporation and allow Billionaires to hide billions off-shore.

 

Nor is it to spend untold billions on WMD's or foreign wars or 'look at me, look at me I have an aircraft carrier dont you know'.

 

Nor is it to cut public sector pay or charge the disabled for a 2nd bedroom.

 

You can see where this is going...

A list of what it is not doing. How apt.

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A list of what it is not doing. How apt.

Indeed. Apt that its not a right wing party for billionaires and corporations.

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Thunderstruck

Indeed. Apt that its not a right wing party for billionaires and corporations.

A party's position on the political balance is determined by deeds and not words, particularly when said party has been in power for a decade.

 

By your last few replies you have admitted that they have done nothing (we all know you are dodging the "Indy" elephant in the room) so how are their credentials to be measured?

 

Is creating a country that has "favourable" corporation tax rates in keeping with being "left of centre"?

 

Is deliberate avoidance of the use of tax powers defensible in a country where poverty is on the increase while education, health, etc are in the slide. At best, ineptitude. At worst, a criminal action designed to foster grievance.

 

I look forward to your latest unamusing attempt at diversion as a response.

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maroonlegions

This is now getting fecking insane, i mean just who the feck does May and her austerity loving junta think they are. They are now playing god ffs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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:gok:

 

 

 

Mind you these utter vile reptiles would if they could, i mean if it meant persevering them and their rich mates way of life at the expense  of the many it would happen.

 

:smuggy:

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A list of what it is not doing. How apt.

 You know that feeling when you see someone who owes you money and is  out on the piss and  is spending it like there is no tomorrow.

 

You no that feeling off.. :muggy:  and    :evilno: .

 

 

 

This is exactly what May is doing with your money in regards to that massive billion pound "political bung" she bribed the DUP with. :lightbulb:

 

There can be no doubt that when May came out and told the NHS /nurses there is no magic money tree she said so in a manner that was  callous, vindictive and down right disrespectful .

 

Put it this way ,do you think she would have given NI such a massive amount of money if the DUP had not helped her cling so precariously onto power?? 

 

Answers on a postcard to Gerry Adams and Sinn Fein  in regards to the Good Friday Agreement ,which is now in real danger of igniting the hatred and bigotry again that so many on here have voiced their anger at.

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Ruth should refuse to back the PM but she wont. She will completely capitulate and even endorse her to the hilt as shes nothing but a wee lapdog and just the leader of the westminster tory Scottish branch office.

 

As for the rest of your post... :wtfvlad:

A lizard lapdog?

 

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Govt promises to fund NI women having abortions on the NHS in the rest of the UK in a bid to stave off a defeat in the commons.

So the DUP like many in N.Ireland are (or they say they are) very opposed to abortion and maintain very strict rules/laws.

 

But as a (in)direct result of the 'coalition' deal women from N.Ireland have been given a major boost by the offer of free abortions on the NHS in England. They still have to arrange travel etc.

 

Tbh I'd expect if the DUP had a real principled stance they might be thinking of withdrawing from the deal. How do they explain that to the anti-abortion people?

 

But its prerty mad just now. Its like anything can happen.

 

(Just on clarity re the position in Scotland Nicola Sturgeon talked recently of giving free abortions to women from N.Ireland suggesting that is NOT the case just now. Though I'm not certain. But she was given a strong "mind your own business" response by the DUP which is a bit ironic today.)

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 You know that feeling when you see someone who owes you money and is  out on the piss and  is spending it like there is no tomorrow.

 

You no that feeling off.. :muggy:  and    :evilno: .

 

 

 

This is exactly what May is doing with your money in regards to that massive billion pound "political bung" she bribed the DUP with. :lightbulb:

 

There can be no doubt that when May came out and told the NHS /nurses there is no magic money tree she said so in a manner that was  callous, vindictive and down right disrespectful .

 

Put it this way ,do you think she would have given NI such a massive amount of money if the DUP had not helped her cling so precariously onto power?? 

 

Answers on a postcard to Gerry Adams and Sinn Fein  in regards to the Good Friday Agreement ,which is now in real danger of igniting the hatred and bigotry again that so many on here have voiced their anger at.

Apparently not. The approach seems to be lets get back round the table so we can get our share of the money from the magic money tree. and for all the SNP moral outrage at the Tory/DUP alliance as soon as they heard how much money NI was getting they started shouting me, me, me, me, me. Where's our money? We want money. What happened to the political outrage at the DUP's election manifesto. The only person to come out of this with any dignity is the people's PM Jeremy Corbyn. Scottish Nationalists and Irish Nationalists have **** all to do with Socialism, or even Social Democracy for that matter.

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Not sure what you mean.

 

The Lizzard party are giving the Old Testament Party a ?Billion to support them in Westminster (Hence the recent vote to maintain the 1% pay cap for the public sector was passed). Thats the bribe.

 

Theres a basic rule in regard to Westminster dishing out cash to the devolved nations. Its called Barnett. One gets more of an 'award' and the same percentage goes to the others.

Well going in reverse.

 

This money has 0 effect on Barnett.

 

I was defining a bribe. You rightly said the DUP are supporting the Queens Speech in return for cash monies. If the SNP want more they'll need to back the Tories here.

 

As, and I suggest you look it up, this has 0 to do with Barnett.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula?wprov=sfla1

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Dont you just love the Tories, the 'Auld Wrinkly Teresa May' getting into bed with the 'Turnbacktime Party' and threatening the 'Good Friday' agreement all for a ?1 Billion, there is no shame with that horrible right wing of 'Genghis Khan' scumbag party.

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Just imagine Corbyn's Labour were the biggest party and 7 seats or less short of a majority. It could easily happen! There's a wee party somewhere, operating in the same are as the DUPers who happen to have 7 seats. I wonder if they'd offer them something, and if so, what? Would SF part with their principles for an improbable sniff of power? Perhaps not. Grubby little deals such as the one we've just seen are a part of Politics unfortunately. I can see the DUPers throwing their toys out the pram if anything upsets them and another GE to swiftly follow.

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Dont you just love the Tories, the 'Auld Wrinkly Teresa May' getting into bed with the 'Turnbacktime Party' and threatening the 'Good Friday' agreement all for a ?1 Billion, there is no shame with that horrible right wing of 'Genghis Khan' scumbag party.

:oohmatron:

 

:sweeet:

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Toxteth O'Grady

You would have thought the tories could have told us about their plans for bringing forward the increase in pension age before the election.

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You would have thought the tories could have told us about their plans for bringing forward the increase in pension age before the election.

Weren't they just following the advice of the independent body that had been set up to look at subject.

 

Whether people like it or not some realiagment of expectations around state pensions, needs to happen.

 

Like I said on a thread the other day I expect state pensions to become means tested. As the state can't afford to deal with aging populations as it has in the past.

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Weren't they just following the advice of the independent body that had been set up to look at subject.

 

Whether people like it or not some realiagment of expectations around state pensions, needs to happen.

 

Like I said on a thread the other day I expect state pensions to become means tested. As the state can't afford to deal with aging populations as it has in the past.

They lied, it's ok. Just admit it. It's alright, we understand. You were led up a garden path, again. And again.....etc.

 

What were their policies?

 

Oh yeah....Sure n Stable. :lol:

 

Now you're well ****ed.

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Weren't they just following the advice of the independent body that had been set up to look at subject.

 

Whether people like it or not some realiagment of expectations around state pensions, needs to happen.

 

Like I said on a thread the other day I expect state pensions to become means tested. As the state can't afford to deal with aging populations as it has in the past.

My point is that they have kept it quiet until after the election and announced it just before the summer recess.
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My point is that they have kept it quiet until after the election and announced it just before the summer recess.

My point was a independent review ongoing prior to the election which has just been concluded. They didn't know the outcome until happened.

 

I would have expected the govt of the day to implement the recommendations.

 

However, if makes you better **** the tories.

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My point was a independent review ongoing prior to the election which has just been concluded. They didn't know the outcome until happened.

 

I would have expected the govt of the day to implement the recommendations.

 

However, if makes you better **** the tories.

It appears I was wrong and issued prior to GE knock you socks off boys.

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They lied, it's ok. Just admit it. It's alright, we understand. You were led up a garden path, again. And again.....etc.

 

What were their policies?

 

Oh yeah....Sure n Stable. :lol:

 

Now you're well ****ed.

You ok hun, you sound upset.

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