More Tory lies

[Victorian]

There's two separate strands in a parliamentary sense.  

 

1.  The rule breaking and loss of moral authority.

 

2.  Misleading parliament.  Much the more serious and important to prosecute.

 

Most of the electorate who either like Johnson or are mostly disinterested in politics wont care about the misleading of parliament.  Some of them might care about the rule breaking but the people who voted for him will mostly continue to support him.  He has a certain factor where people tend to view him as someone beyond the norms and somehow expected to be (and accepted as) a flawed showman.

 

Enough smoke and mirrors,  confusion and delay will enable him to weather the storm on rule breaking in a parliamentary context.  No PM can survive a bang-to-rights misleading of parliament.  I think the confusion,  conflation and enough muddying the waters between various reports and inquiries might be enough to dodge the question of misleading parliament.  If enough time passes and enough shite is spouted by the likes of Dorries,  Bone,  Zahawi,  the more likely it is that those in parliament who would press this attack will weary,  lose their resolve,  lose their focus,  etc.

[maroonlegions]

4 minutes ago, Victorian said:

There's two separate strands in a parliamentary sense.  

 

1.  The rule breaking and loss of moral authority.

 

2.  Misleading parliament.  Much the more serious and important to prosecute.

 

Most of the electorate who either like Johnson or are mostly disinterested in politics wont care about the misleading of parliament.  Some of them might care about the rule breaking but the people who voted for him will mostly continue to support him.  He has a certain factor where people tend to view him as someone beyond the norms and somehow expected to be (and accepted as) a flawed showman.

 

Enough smoke and mirrors,  confusion and delay will enable him to weather the storm on rule breaking in a parliamentary context.  No PM can survive a bang-to-rights misleading of parliament.  I think the confusion,  conflation and enough muddying the waters between various reports and inquiries might be enough to dodge the question of misleading parliament.  If enough time passes and enough shite is spouted by the likes of Dorries,  Bone,  Zahawi,  the more likely it is that those in parliament who would press this attack will weary,  lose their resolve,  lose their focus,  etc.

Tell you something your summary if produced as part of a defence  would be laughed out of a court of law.

 

Anyone who defends this utter serial liar and narcissist is beyond reproach ...

 

 

People lost love ones , people could NOT attend funerals ect..   

 

This is a one MAN party government..   The defence that the public knew he was a showman is cringeworthy.. 

 

NEVER trust a tory...

 

The voting public up here are from a different cut of cloth and he in my view has kicked the  SNP can for independence further down the road.

[Paddy Crossan]

Sad thing is Tories will still win next election as Labour need to win 40+ seats in Scotland to win, I think. Luckily the Scottish people sussed out the Tory light Liebor party years ago. The first past the post system is a disgrace. I read recently that if the first past the post had been in place in Scotland that the SNP would have won the equivalent of 550 seats out of 650 compared to Westminster.

[Victorian]

9 minutes ago, maroonlegions said:

Tell you something your summary if produced as part of a defence  would be laughed out of a court of law.

 

Anyone who defends this utter serial liar and narcissist is beyond reproach ...

 

 

People lost love ones , people could NOT attend funerals ect..   

 

This is a one MAN party government..   The defence that the public knew he was a showman is cringeworthy.. 

 

NEVER trust a tory...

 

The voting public up here are from a different cut of cloth and he in my view has kicked the  SNP can for independence further down the road.

 

Not the first time you've spectacularly missed the point.  I'm not defending or excusing the cretin.  

 

Ffs.

 

[NANOJAMBO]

@PaulBrandITV

 

PM not the only one facing the heat today. Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick faces questions from London Assembly members at 10am about why police have decided not to investigate No 10 parties at this stage.

[Unknown user]

33 minutes ago, maroonlegions said:

Tell you something your summary if produced as part of a defence  would be laughed out of a court of law.

 

Anyone who defends this utter serial liar and narcissist is beyond reproach ...

 

 

People lost love ones , people could NOT attend funerals ect..   

 

This is a one MAN party government..   The defence that the public knew he was a showman is cringeworthy.. 

 

NEVER trust a tory...

 

The voting public up here are from a different cut of cloth and he in my view has kicked the  SNP can for independence further down the road.

 

What did you read?

[Tazio]

Cake. It’s a hell of a drug. 

[hughesie27]

The cake is a lie.

[Victorian]

Rees-Mogg on Newsnight.  This will be some bullshit.

[Ray Gin]

49 minutes ago, Tazio said:

Cake. It’s a hell of a drug. 

 

Loony stuff

 

[Lone Striker]

1 hour ago, Tazio said:

Cake. It’s a hell of a drug. 

More details required.  What colour was the icing ?  Was there jam in the middle ?  A Boris face on the top ?   These things are important.   The Met are on the case .........

 

 

 

[Victorian]

The latest ploy is to portray the whole litany of parties,  peev-ups and related lies as boiling down to the latest birthday party and a piece of cake.  They're not daft.  Everything else being pushed into the background and concentrated on a bit of cake.  

 

The latest menaces on Tory MPs is the implied threat that a new leader = a general election.  All of a sudden,  Rees-Mogg has declared that we actually have a de facto presidential system.  Any new leader must seek a personal mandate.  Speaks to the personal interests concerns of individual MPs who would rather not face an election while their ratings are so damaged.

 

If a new leader is forced in any case?  Just watch the prospect of an election disappear in a puff of smoke.

 

Absolute scum.

[Riccarton3]

11 minutes ago, Victorian said:

The latest ploy is to portray the whole litany of parties,  peev-ups and related lies as boiling down to the latest birthday party and a piece of cake.  They're not daft.  Everything else being pushed into the background and concentrated on a bit of cake.  

 

The latest menaces on Tory MPs is the implied threat that a new leader = a general election.  All of a sudden,  Rees-Mogg has declared that we actually have a de facto presidential system.  Any new leader must seek a personal mandate.  Speaks to the personal interests concerns of individual MPs who would rather not face an election while their ratings are so damaged.

 

If a new leader is forced in any case?  Just watch the prospect of an election disappear in a puff of smoke.

 

Absolute scum.

Earlier, I liked the description 'despot arguments' : to try and blame others for distracting the govt from other pressing issues when, in reality holding it to account for self inflicted disgrace.

 

I can't watch Mogg. He has a sick warped mind.

Edited January 25, 2022 by Riccarton3

[Lone Striker]

4 minutes ago, Victorian said:

The latest ploy is to portray the whole litany of parties,  peev-ups and related lies as boiling down to the latest birthday party and a piece of cake.  They're not daft.  Everything else being pushed into the background and concentrated on a bit of cake.  

 

The latest menaces on Tory MPs is the implied threat that a new leader = a general election.  All of a sudden,  Rees-Mogg has declared that we actually have a de facto presidential system.  Any new leader must seek a personal mandate.  Speaks to the personal interests concerns of individual MPs who would rather not face an election while their ratings are so damaged.

 

If a new leader is forced in any case?  Just watch the prospect of an election disappear in a puff of smoke.

 

Absolute scum.

Aye, JRM was pushing hard on Newsnight to change the narrative, in his trademark menacingly calm way.   

 

The media are being ridiculously obsequious too  in constantly focusing on cake, which just cheapens the whole thing when compared to a potential war about to break out in Europe.    The core of the the scandal is that all indoor gatherings of folk from  more than 1 household was outlawed at the time, regardless of whether cake was being eaten or how long  the gathering lasted.    Hundreds of ordinary folk were being arrested or issued with spot fines by police at the time for doing stuff like that.     

 

BoJo cleverly introduced the concept of "welcoming the investigations so that the House and the country can be given clarity, and can draw a line under everything".      Makes you wonder if Sue Gray and Cressida Dick have been "leaned on" already.

 

 

[Unknown user]

20 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

Aye, JRM was pushing hard on Newsnight to change the narrative, in his trademark menacingly calm way.   

 

The media are being ridiculously obsequious too  in constantly focusing on cake, which just cheapens the whole thing when compared to a potential war about to break out in Europe.    The core of the the scandal is that all indoor gatherings of folk from  more than 1 household was outlawed at the time, regardless of whether cake was being eaten or how long  the gathering lasted.    Hundreds of ordinary folk were being arrested or issued with spot fines by police at the time for doing stuff like that.     

 

BoJo cleverly introduced the concept of "welcoming the investigations so that the House and the country can be given clarity, and can draw a line under everything".      Makes you wonder if Sue Gray and Cressida Dick have been "leaned on" already.

 

 

It annoyed me that he said he should have sent everyone inside too.

It was after hours, everyone should have been at home not shuffled out of sight

[dobmisterdobster]

1 hour ago, Lone Striker said:

The media are being ridiculously obsequious too  in constantly focusing on cake, which just cheapens the whole thing when compared to a potential war about to break out in Europe. 

 

His speech at PMQs about Ukraine was excellent. Contrast that with deranged mainstream media obsessing over a slice of cake. It's silly to a ridiculous degree.

[The Real Maroonblood]

5 hours ago, dobmisterdobster said:

 

His speech at PMQs about Ukraine was excellent. Contrast that with deranged mainstream media obsessing over a slice of cake. It's silly to a ridiculous degree.

Did he manage to string two words together?

If he did that would be a first.

 

[joondalupjambo]

10 hours ago, Tazio said:

Cake. It’s a hell of a drug. 

Rotten Tomatoes review of the film Cake.

 

Cake finds Boris Johnston making the most of an overdue opportunity to test his dramatic chops, but it lacks sufficient depth or warmth to recommend for all but his most ardent fans.

[Costanza]

 

 

 

[Taffin]

15 hours ago, Victorian said:

Not sure it should be published.  There's now a police inquiry going on so surely it would impinge on that.  The police have to conduct their inquiry from scratch as the information gathered by Sue Gray is not valid for police investigation purposes.

 

This is all orchestrated in any case.  He was happy to rely on the Sue Gray findings whilst he thought that would draw a line under things.  Since then it seems that the findings might be troublesome for him.  Imo the police investigation has been contrived in order to invalidate the importance of the Sue Gray report.  It will now be shifted on to the police investigation being the be-all-and-end-all.  

 

Think you're spot on. Given there will have been a police presence at Downing Street during most of these gatherings and nothing was done, you have to wonder why something is being done now and I can only assume it's because it's been decided it's the best route to go down for the government and Boris.

[John Findlay]

[Victorian]

Cue another round of wizardry about birthdays,  bits of cake and getting on with the public's priorities,  etc.  The campaign is on to get as many people as possible to forget all about the other 17 gatherings,  staffers drunk and sparked out under desks,  Johnson and wife holding gatherings in the flat and,  most crucially,  the multiple instances of misleading parliament.

 

Cake and proportionality.

[Unknown user]

8 hours ago, dobmisterdobster said:

 

His speech at PMQs about Ukraine was excellent. Contrast that with deranged mainstream media obsessing over a slice of cake. It's silly to a ridiculous degree.

 

The corrupt liar gave a good speech to his mates, let's forget everything

[The Mighty Thor]

14 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Cue another round of wizardry about birthdays,  bits of cake and getting on with the public's priorities,  etc.  The campaign is on to get as many people as possible to forget all about the other 17 gatherings,  staffers drunk and sparked out under desks,  Johnson and wife holding gatherings in the flat and,  most crucially,  the multiple instances of misleading parliament.

 

Cake and proportionality.

There's rumblings about the comings and goings at Chequers during lockdown too.

 

Apparently the Johnson's are partial to a knees up in the Buckingham countryside too. 

[Japan Jambo]

16 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

In reality, I think the report could be a tad more embarrassing for BoJo.

 

It seems that SG's report will make no judgements, but will simply list all the events she investigated, identifying who or how many attended. She will discount all those that she considers to be work events, but decide that a number of events require further investigation by the police to determine if they broke any laws and who should face sanctions.

 

Fortunate for him then that he has no shame.

 

Those around him though will kick him to the curb, I'd like to think they'd do that as he is an afront to all that is decent but alas it'll be political expediency and self interest that will be the motivating factors.

[Ray Gin]

18 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

The corrupt liar gave a good speech to his mates, let's forget everything

 

It was only notable for slightly less stumbling and waffle than usual.

 

[Victorian]

28 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

There's rumblings about the comings and goings at Chequers during lockdown too.

 

Apparently the Johnson's are partial to a knees up in the Buckingham countryside too. 

 

Would not be surprised.  

[XB52]

49 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Cue another round of wizardry about birthdays,  bits of cake and getting on with the public's priorities,  etc.  The campaign is on to get as many people as possible to forget all about the other 17 gatherings,  staffers drunk and sparked out under desks,  Johnson and wife holding gatherings in the flat and,  most crucially,  the multiple instances of misleading parliament.

 

Cake and proportionality.

Although I agree about the absurdity of all these parties and that any person with a shred of decency would have resigned by now, I think everyone is missing the point. This tory government is guilty of corruption on a mass scale, illegally giving hundreds of millions of pounds of contracts to their mates/donors and this is now being totally overlooked. Like the cake issue being used to ignore the numerous other parties 

[SectionDJambo]

9 hours ago, dobmisterdobster said:

 

His speech at PMQs about Ukraine was excellent. Contrast that with deranged mainstream media obsessing over a slice of cake. It's silly to a ridiculous degree.

PMQs is today.

The deranged distraction has been caused by the PM, his staff and some of his party denying that they flouted the same laws and rules that the public were told, by them, that they had to follow. Even the Head of State followed the rules, most publicly at her husband's funeral.

To make the distraction worse, the PM and others have then continued to lie about those laws and rules being broken. What foreign leader, ally or potential foe, is going to believe a word that comes out of Johnson's mouth at a time when trust will be paramount between leaders of nations. What foreign leader is going to trust that anyone closely connected with Johnson isn't just doing his bidding by telling his lies.

At a time of international crisis, a PM of the UK who cannot be trusted to tell the obvious truth is a liability. I very much doubt if Putin is even bothering to listen to Johnson and Truss. "Global Britain" is probably at it's weakest point in history for it's influence on foreign affairs.

This isn't about a cake, it's about the credibility and integrity of the UK, which Johnson and his gang have destroyed.

[Roxy Hearts]

1 hour ago, John Findlay said:

I got banned when I quoted that years ago about that dump 🤣

[Lone Striker]

2 hours ago, John Findlay said:

For a few seconds, your pic had me wondering why Jeremy Corbyn was being photographed next to  C3PO & R2D2. 😃

 

 

 

 

[Horatio Caine]

1 hour ago, SectionDJambo said:

PMQs is today.

The deranged distraction has been caused by the PM, his staff and some of his party denying that they flouted the same laws and rules that the public were told, by them, that they had to follow. Even the Head of State followed the rules, most publicly at her husband's funeral.

To make the distraction worse, the PM and others have then continued to lie about those laws and rules being broken. What foreign leader, ally or potential foe, is going to believe a word that comes out of Johnson's mouth at a time when trust will be paramount between leaders of nations. What foreign leader is going to trust that anyone closely connected with Johnson isn't just doing his bidding by telling his lies.

At a time of international crisis, a PM of the UK who cannot be trusted to tell the obvious truth is a liability. I very much doubt if Putin is even bothering to listen to Johnson and Truss. "Global Britain" is probably at it's weakest point in history for it's influence on foreign affairs.

This isn't about a cake, it's about the credibility and integrity of the UK, which Johnson and his gang have destroyed.

Absolutely nailed it.

[Bindy Badgy]

13 hours ago, hughesie27 said:

The cake is a lie.

 

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

1 hour ago, SectionDJambo said:

PMQs is today.

The deranged distraction has been caused by the PM, his staff and some of his party denying that they flouted the same laws and rules that the public were told, by them, that they had to follow. Even the Head of State followed the rules, most publicly at her husband's funeral.

To make the distraction worse, the PM and others have then continued to lie about those laws and rules being broken. What foreign leader, ally or potential foe, is going to believe a word that comes out of Johnson's mouth at a time when trust will be paramount between leaders of nations. What foreign leader is going to trust that anyone closely connected with Johnson isn't just doing his bidding by telling his lies.

At a time of international crisis, a PM of the UK who cannot be trusted to tell the obvious truth is a liability. I very much doubt if Putin is even bothering to listen to Johnson and Truss. "Global Britain" is probably at it's weakest point in history for it's influence on foreign affairs.

This isn't about a cake, it's about the credibility and integrity of the UK, which Johnson and his gang have destroyed.

Johnson also hid the findings of the Tory links to Russia.

[Boab]

2 minutes ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

Johnson also hid the findings of the Tory links to Russia.

They'll receive the report and decide what bits to make public.

Don't get the anticipation, media led, for the findings.

I know he's a pathological liar, so do most of you !

What can be learned from a report that we don't already know ?

Laughable really if it wasn't linked to a very serious time for many people.

 

 

[Lone Striker]

Since this is a generic "knock the Tories" thread, did anyone else see the documentary last night "The Decade the Rich Won"   ?      It centred on the fallout from the financial crisis of 2008, starting with the decision to pump money into the economy via the bailout to the banks who had caused the bloody thing.   Astonishing to hear Alistair Darling & Mervyn King actually admit that it caused a huge increase in wealth inequality/unfairness around the world - which they admitted was unfair and wrong.    The famous "Quantative Easing"  (QE) then became the favoured buzz phrase of politicians who had no idea what it entailed, and no country had actually tried the concept on such a scale - another emperors new clothes scenario.

 

The financial markets had a field day ....well,  decade actually.   £300bn "free" money (from their point of view)   From seeing their assets crash in value, all of a sudden they were back in business  and just carrying on gambling as if nothing had happened. 

 

Osborne & Cameron tried to justify the Tory policy of austerity by blaming Darling & Brown for  the huge deficit they inherited.   Make the poor pay for the outrageously bad management decisions of big banks and financial regulators.

 

By the time the EU referendum came along, large numbers of ordinary folk just wanted to kick the financial establishment, and BoJo & Farage managed to convince enough of them that the EU was part of it.

 

Corbyn actually came across quite well in his interview.   Varoufakis (Greek finance  minister for a year) too.   I think it was him who wrote a critique of the financial crisis years ago, and suggested a much better solution would have been to simply give a free large lump sum of money to each household in the country - some of it would stay  in people's   bank accounts, but  a lot of it would get spent throughout the economy. Problem solved (in his words) - banks suddenly get an influx of deposits, jobs get protected, and no need for austerity.

 

Interesting, but depressing stuff.

 

[Jeffros Furios]

The fat mess is obscene , a disgusting pig .

[Nucky Thompson]

7 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said:

The fat mess is obscene , a disgusting pig .

Correct. I can't stand Blackford myself and he's Hibs

[Don Dan]

Bojo caught lying again. 
 

Afghanistan! Dogs first people left! 
Boris denied, numerous times, that he had intervened now there is emails showing that in fact he intervened. 

[Mikey1874]

Could be the dogs and cats that get him.

 

 

[Mikey1874]

 

[Don Dan]

[Unknown user]

7 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

 

I suppose number 10's become a brothel then

[Riccarton3]

 

 

1 hour ago, Jeffros Furios said:

The fat mess is obscene , a disgusting pig .

Just a *****. Unfortunately, that's viewed as a strength by allies

[Don Dan]

31 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

I suppose number 10's become a brothel then

Withe the serial shagger in residence then it’s highly likely.

[manaliveits105]

Tory MP loves what he saw from Johnson at PMQs

Jonathan Gullis, the Conservative MP for Stoke-on-Trent North, has insisted Boris Johnson was on "fine form once again" during today's PMQs.

"We can't move on because Captain Hindsight is relentless in talking about the issues that he thinks matters," Mr Gullis says, adding people outside of the "London bubble" are interested in other issues.

Mr Gullis said: "I think the government is doing a good job, this was the most challenging global pandemic we've seen in over 100 years, unprecedented. 

"No country has got everything perfect, we never pretended we got everything right. But on the big calls, the prime minister's absolutely hit the nail on the head every single time."

He went on to defend the prime minister on practically every point raised by our political correspondent Kate McCann.

"I think the prime minister is a fantastic individual", he said, asked if anything would change his mind about the Mr Johnson.

[NANOJAMBO]

34 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

I suppose number 10's become a brothel then

Judging by the interior decor , absolutely.*

 

*I have never been to a Turkish brothel.

[NANOJAMBO]

2 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Tory MP loves what he saw from Johnson at PMQs

Jonathan Gullis, the Conservative MP for Stoke-on-Trent North, has insisted Boris Johnson was on "fine form once again" during today's PMQs.

"We can't move on because Captain Hindsight is relentless in talking about the issues that he thinks matters," Mr Gullis says, adding people outside of the "London bubble" are interested in other issues.

Mr Gullis said: "I think the government is doing a good job, this was the most challenging global pandemic we've seen in over 100 years, unprecedented. 

"No country has got everything perfect, we never pretended we got everything right. But on the big calls, the prime minister's absolutely hit the nail on the head every single time."

He went on to defend the prime minister on practically every point raised by our political correspondent Kate McCann.

"I think the prime minister is a fantastic individual", he said, asked if anything would change his mind about the Mr Johnson.

LOL.

Just saw Gullis doing his propaganda speech post PMQ on BBC News.

He is quite clearly off his head.  

[The Mighty Thor]

5 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Tory MP loves what he saw from Johnson at PMQs

Jonathan Gullis, the Conservative MP for Stoke-on-Trent North, has insisted Boris Johnson was on "fine form once again" during today's PMQs.

"We can't move on because Captain Hindsight is relentless in talking about the issues that he thinks matters," Mr Gullis says, adding people outside of the "London bubble" are interested in other issues.

Mr Gullis said: "I think the government is doing a good job, this was the most challenging global pandemic we've seen in over 100 years, unprecedented. 

"No country has got everything perfect, we never pretended we got everything right. But on the big calls, the prime minister's absolutely hit the nail on the head every single time."

He went on to defend the prime minister on practically every point raised by our political correspondent Kate McCann.

"I think the prime minister is a fantastic individual", he said, asked if anything would change his mind about the Mr Johnson.

[NANOJAMBO]

53 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

His missus contacted an American billionaire (I'm not sure if his name is in the public domain yet) and he forked out for a private plane to go to Kabul.

So when he says "he" didn't prioritise it, that's true, as his wife did the work , allegedly,

but it's not clear if the animals boarded the plane themselves or whther they were given assistance by ATC/UK troops/ground staff in Kabul etc.