More Tory lies

[maroonlegions]

22 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Know the feeling well, got the tee-shirt and all.

 

And yes I try and not get angry, as all political parties are all the same, if it's not the Tories fecking things up then it's Labour who is, then the Tories, then Labour and round and round we go.

 

That i will agree with mate.

 

Never ending political circle of feck ups.

 

Anothers left, another"s  right, anothers peace  and another's fight.

[maroonlegions]

6 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

And the same with most of the population I'd guess, they would be out the door, however the point in question here wasn't what was found on his computer but the breech of trust shown by the Police officers who leaked the info to the media, years after they had been ordered to destroy that info.

 

And on Thursday there, we had a guy who's rape trail collapsed after the Police were ordered by the court to release vital information which they had withheld from the defence for two years, which proved his innocence.

 

I'd be a bit more concerned about the actions of the Police, whom it has been shown in these two cases alone, can withhold crucial information or hold onto information Illegally to then be used against someone at a later date. 

This concerns me a great deal more than some legal porn found on some guy's computer, indeed it is something which should be of concern to every member of the public, that the Police can and do stitch people up or destroy careers at the drop of a hat whenever it suits them.

Your points are noted and yes there is corruption in every part of administration.

 

But the timing and the way it manifests can be seen as a "whistle-blowers" mandate to expose those in positions of responsibility and power .   

 

Is there a law today or in the past that was created that those that misuse their positions of trust and power  or others by it cannot be held accountable after an expiry date? i mean  should there be  no time limit. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

10 minutes ago, maroonlegions said:

Your points are noted and yes there is corruption in every part of administration.

 

But the timing and the way it manifests can be seen as a "whistle-blowers" mandate to expose those in positions of responsibility and power .   

 

Is there a law today or in the past that was created that those that misuse their positions of trust and power  or others by it cannot be held accountable after an expiry date? i mean  should there be  no time limit. 

 

That can equally apply to the Police as well, for are they not also in positions of responsibility and power.

 

As for a law, we all know that money, power and influence can often be used to let's just say bend the rules and laws for those in the positions of power and influence, therefore it seems that laws are often only applicable to us mere mortals as they certainly don't apply to everyone equally, never have and never will either.

 

[ri Alban]

On 16/12/2017 at 20:10, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

And the same with most of the population I'd guess, they would be out the door, however the point in question here wasn't what was found on his computer but the breech of trust shown by the Police officers who leaked the info to the media, years after they had been ordered to destroy that info.

 

And on Thursday there, we had a guy who's rape trail collapsed after the Police were ordered by the court to release vital information which they had withheld from the defence for two years, which proved his innocence.

 

I'd be a bit more concerned about the actions of the Police, whom it has been shown in these two cases alone, can withhold crucial information or hold onto information Illegally to then be used against someone at a later date. 

This concerns me a great deal more than some legal porn found on some guy's computer, indeed it is something which should be of concern to every member of the public, that the Police can and do stitch people up or destroy careers at the drop of a hat whenever it suits them.

Well done those coppers. Expose these Tory filth. I wonder what else they(All coppers) have covered up for government.

Oh i forgot, only in Russia.

Edited December 22, 2017 by ri Alban

[Seymour M Hersh]

On 16/12/2017 at 19:45, maroonlegions said:

No words, feck all, what was found on his computer, if i had done that at my work it would have been the sack mate,

 

What if you hadn't downloaded it though but it was still on your computer? 

[deesidejambo]

On 16/12/2017 at 21:08, maroonlegions said:

 

Trick is when trying to be a smart arse troll boy you always give your self away for not thinking it through, you just are smart enough.

 

How about you being a man and admit the content of that theme  i posted was never about the lobster , it was about the inequality of her insidious policies  on the those vulnerable in our country and the fact she sat down to such a meal after those polices were put in place.

 

How's that for thinking for myself.

 

You missed out the "super rich and hidden donors" bit and the FACT she is an evil cow by  her  very policies on welfare and social spending cuts   those are a testimony  of that but you knew that anyway, or at least i think you did , you  cant be that thick surely.

 

Oh and tell me again why she needed  to bribe the DUP with a £billion of OUR tax payers money to get into power .

 

Your are a one trick pony mate and a shie one at that, now way back to your lobster and caviar life style. 

 

Yawn..

 

your post was specifically and exclusively about eating lobster and beef.     Nothing else.   That’s what I responded to.

 

So no doubt you never eat beef to maintain your Tory hating credentials  

[ri Alban]

3 minutes ago, deesidejambo said:

 

Yawn..

 

your post was specifically and exclusively about eating lobster and beef.     Nothing else.   That’s what I responded to.

 

So no doubt you never eat beef to maintain your Tory hating credentials  

I thought pork was the choice of the Tory Porkers. 

[deesidejambo]

On 16/12/2017 at 20:34, Space Mackerel said:

 

^^ conveniently misses out the super rich and donors part. 

How may times have you sat down to a whole or half lobster this year? 

 

Never.   So does that make me a non-Tory according to MLs logic?

 

And beef?   You better give it up or you must be a Tory according to MLs post.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

4 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Well done those coppers. Expose these Tory filth. I wonder what else they(All coppers) have covered up for government.

Oh i forgot, only in Russia.

 

What makes you think it's only the Government that the Police cover-up for, and I can tell you that it's not exclusively just for Tories, but also Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Greens, and not just politicians either, funny handshakes and all that.

 

 

[Cade]

Re-shuffle omni-shambles yesterday.

 

Chris Grayling announced as new Chair of the Tory Party then the tweet deleted and someone else getting the job.

 

Justine Greene resigns after refusing to move to Work&Pensions.

 

Jeremy Hunt told to move to Business but refused to leave as Health, and gets his way.

 

And top top it all off, Toby Young resigns from the Office for Students after only 8 days due to everybody reminding themselves how much of a twat he is.

 

Strong and stable aye?  

 

[Boris]

22 minutes ago, Cade said:

Re-shuffle omni-shambles yesterday.

 

Chris Grayling announced as new Chair of the Tory Party then the tweet deleted and someone else getting the job.

 

Justine Greene resigns after refusing to move to Work&Pensions.

 

Jeremy Hunt told to move to Business but refused to leave as Health, and gets his way.

 

And top top it all off, Toby Young resigns from the Office for Students after only 8 days due to everybody reminding themselves how much of a twat he is.

 

Strong and stable aye?  

 

 

Shambolic is the description.  And these are the folk going into bat for "us" in the Brexit negotiations.

 

You really couldn't make it up.

 

 

[JamboX2]

15 minutes ago, Cade said:

Re-shuffle omni-shambles yesterday.

 

Chris Grayling announced as new Chair of the Tory Party then the tweet deleted and someone else getting the job.

 

Justine Greene resigns after refusing to move to Work&Pensions.

 

Jeremy Hunt told to move to Business but refused to leave as Health, and gets his way.

 

And top top it all off, Toby Young resigns from the Office for Students after only 8 days due to everybody reminding themselves how much of a twat he is.

 

Strong and stable aye?  

 

 

Only thing keeping them in office is the loathing of Labour. 

 

The reshuffle from reading the weekend papers was to:

 

- appoint a new First Secretary of State  (didn't happen)

- sack the Business Secretary (didn't happen)

- move Graylin out of government to a senior party role (didn't happen)

- shuffle her competent ministers between Health/Welfare/Education/Justice (half right - Gauke to Justice from DWP but Hunt refusing to move then getting more responsibility is mad, Greening- one of her most able - resigning dreadful and Clark not freeing up space is again a blow)

- Leadsome was to be moved on (never happened), and

- a new separate Ministry for Housing separate of the Local Government department (again never happened, she merely renamed the Local Government 

Department the Ministry for Housing, Local Government and Communities with the same minister in charge!)

 

All in all it was a waste of her and the government's time. Not to mention she was unable to remove the incompetent Trade Secretary (Fox) or the catastrophic Foreign Secretary  (Bojo). 

 

Reshuffles usually do little unless you've been in power for a long time with the same faces at the top. However that Cabinet needed a major shake up. Unable to do it. Means she's on borrowed time to me. Rumour is No.10 gave the Chair of the 1922 Committee a gong in the honours list to prevent him admitting there's plenty letters from MPs calling for a leadership election to go ahead. Very unstable government here!

[JamboX2]

2 minutes ago, Boris said:

 

Shambolic is the description.  And these are the folk going into bat for "us" in the Brexit negotiations.

 

You really couldn't make it up.

 

 

 

Back in 2016 when Cameron said it was going to happen he should've called a National Council to be formed on the issue.  Made up of a government minister, senior opposition MPs, representatives from London, Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester and Newcastle  (Mayor cities) and the devolved administrations/parliaments (Scotland/Wales/NI). 

 

The Minister for Brexit should co-chair it, with the PM, and the structure of a deal should've been put together there then put to the Houses of Parliament for their approval. Then  (and only then) should Art.50 be invoked and talks begun.

 

Far, far too big an issue for one party!

[Bristol jamboree 10]

The vote in the referendum was of the 100% able to vote 37% voted to leave.The Scottish assembly vote in 1978/79 was the same as the referendum result but did not pass the 40% needed for change.Why vote if you want to stay in the E U.The leave have to get 40% of total 100%.It was treated like a general election.

[Cade]

Jeremy Hunt manages to remember to claim 27p for a car journey but can't remember to declare a multi million pound investment in property

 

[Pans Jambo]

2 hours ago, Cade said:

Jeremy Hunt manages to remember to claim 27p for a car journey but can't remember to declare a multi million pound investment in property

 

27pence?

 

I would be embarrassed claiming that amount off my employer.

 

He is a 'Jeremy Hunt' isnt he!

[shaun.lawson]

Hmm, where shall I put this? The Brexit thread? The Tory lies thread? Same difference really.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/15/no-10-refuses-caribbean-request-to-discuss-children-of-windrush

 

Utterly vile. But wakey wakey folks, this sort of thing is going on because a substantial proportion of the electorate want it to. 

[deesidejambo]

49 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

Hmm, where shall I put this? The Brexit thread? The Tory lies thread? Same difference really.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/15/no-10-refuses-caribbean-request-to-discuss-children-of-windrush

 

Utterly vile. But wakey wakey folks, this sort of thing is going on because a substantial proportion of the electorate want it to. 

Shaun I respect your historical knowledge but this is not vile.   It is clear in the article that the issue is in hand and will be addressed.
 

Just because doesn't make it onto the cohgm agenda doesn't mean its not recognised.

 

Nobody is being deported.

 

Nobody is being discriminated against.

 

Its just an issue of sorting out administrative pension issues amongst others that will be sorted out.  If they are not given pensions then it is a problem worth complaining about. But a quid says it will be unravelled and fixed, if not, then you have a case.

 

But       I think you let your hatred of Tories skew your ability to analyse issues as they arise.

 

 

 

 

[LesJambes]

On 13/04/2018 at 12:36, Cade said:

Jeremy Hunt manages to remember to claim 27p for a car journey but can't remember to declare a multi million pound investment in property

 

I wonder how much 'bedroom tax' MP's would be paying if it applied to them, with their three homes on public money?

[deesidejambo]

19 minutes ago, LesJambes said:

I wonder how much 'bedroom tax' MP's would be paying if it applied to them, with their three homes on public money?

Nothing.  Because it’s not a tax.   It’s a reduction in benefits not a tax.

[LesJambes]

Just now, deesidejambo said:

Nothing.  Because it’s not a tax.   It’s a reduction in benefits not a tax.

Okay, how much would be reduced from their wages and expenses for having a spare bedroom, or a spare house? And how much would the Royal Family be deducted for Buckingham Palaces spare bedrooms?

[deesidejambo]

6 minutes ago, LesJambes said:

Okay, how much would be reduced from their wages and expenses for having a spare bedroom, or a spare house? And how much would the Royal Family be deducted for Buckingham Palaces spare bedrooms?

Nothing.    Same as everyone else. Bedroom tax is not a reduction in wages or earnings.  Nobody pays it out of wages or earnings.

[LesJambes]

14 minutes ago, deesidejambo said:

Nothing.    Same as everyone else. Bedroom tax is not a reduction in wages or earnings.  Nobody pays it out of wages or earnings.

So it only applies to poor unemployed people trying to live on £40 a week or whatever it is now? Seems fair.. BTW did you know that politicians get £100 a week on top of expenses and wages, and whatever 'donations' they're receiving, as a weekly shopping budget? Meanwhile the unemployed are expected to live on less than ten pounds per day while looking for work in one of the highest rates of unemployment in recent history? Fat **** Ian Duncan Smith charged taxpayers about £40 for one breakfast alone! How do they expect people to live on that? Let them eat cake, right? None of them have ever been skint in their lives, they have zero empathy and they're compltely out of touch with the modern day UK.

[deesidejambo]

2 minutes ago, LesJambes said:

So it only applies to poor unemployed people trying to live on £40 a week or whatever it is now? Seems fair.. BTW did you know that politicians get £100 a week on top of expenses and wages, and whatever 'donations' they're receiving, as a weekly shopping budget? Meanwhile the unemployed are expected to live on less than ten pounds per day while looking for work in one of the highest rates of unemployment in recent history? Fat **** Ian Duncan Smith charged taxpayers about £40 for one breakfast alone! How do they expect people to live on that? Let them eat cake, right? None of them have ever been skint in their lives, they have zero empathy and they're compltely out of touch with the modern day UK.

If you follow many of my posts you will see that I am a very strong advocate of closing the rich-poor gap by significant tax increases on the higher earners in line with Labours policies.

 

The income would be used for support of the lower earners by significant increase of the earnings threshold thereby rebalancing tax take to a fairer position and encouraging more people into employment.

 

 Imo The SNP has a great chance to do this once the Scottish tax bands were introduced but they bottled it.

[LesJambes]

1 minute ago, deesidejambo said:

If you follow many of my posts you will see that I am a very strong advocate of closing the rich-poor gap by significant tax increases on the higher earners in line with Labours policies.

 

The income would be used for support of the lower earners by significant increase of the earnings threshold thereby rebalancing tax take to a fairer position and encouraging more people into employment.

 

 Imo The SNP has a great chance to do this once the Scottish tax bands were introduced but they bottled it.

I'm pretty new here, but from the few posts I've seen I agree with you about a lot of things. But I despise the tories and I won't keep that a secret. And I despise Labour too for the most part.

[deesidejambo]

2 minutes ago, LesJambes said:

I'm pretty new here, but from the few posts I've seen I agree with you about a lot of things. But I despise the tories and I won't keep that a secret. And I despise Labour too for the most part.

No.    Don’t let your politics be governed by hate.   

 

Choose policies and issues you personally support and vote on issues not parties.

 

On tax - you are now PM.   What would you do wrt taxation and the rich-poor gap?   Forget the evil Tories or Labour.   What would you do?  

[LesJambes]

Just now, deesidejambo said:

No.    Don’t let your politics be governed by hate.   

 

Choose policies and issues you personally support and vote on issues not parties.

 

On tax - you are now PM.   What would you do wrt taxation and the rich-poor gap?   Forget the evil Tories or Labour.   What would you do?  

I'm not a tax lawyer, but it seems obvious the first thing is to chase down tax dodgers as best as possible, something that hasn't been happening nearly enough for the last few governments. Find ways to fine or tax companies like Amazon. This really should take priority over a few unemployed people having a 'spare bedroom'. Second don't take money out of the pensions fund, that seems fairly obvious. Don't bail out banks then sell them back at a loss ot the public, and the enrichment of bankers (who coincidentally advised them to sell the banks back at a loss). Personally I'd have nationalised the bank and put profits back into the public purse. Banking can be extremely profitable, why not nationalise it and reduce the tax burden? Plenty of other commercial and industrial entities that could be profitable too, again all of these could alleviate the taxes of the rich far better than dismantling the NHS. Which BTW also creates mroe health problems and thus higher disability related unemployment.

 

It's too late to go into detail on hypothetical parliamentary policies that you're just going to pick apart anyway.

[deesidejambo]

2 minutes ago, LesJambes said:

I'm not a tax lawyer, but it seems obvious the first thing is to chase down tax dodgers as best as possible, something that hasn't been happening nearly enough for the last few governments. Find ways to fine or tax companies like Amazon. This really should take priority over a few unemployed people having a 'spare bedroom'. Second don't take money out of the pensions fund, that seems fairly obvious. Don't bail out banks then sell them back at a loss ot the public, and the enrichment of bankers (who coincidentally advised them to sell the banks back at a loss). Personally I'd have nationalised the bank and put profits back into the public purse. Banking can be extremely profitable, why not nationalise it and reduce the tax burden? Plenty of other commercial and industrial entities that could be profitable too, again all of these could alleviate the taxes of the rich far better than dismantling the NHS. Which BTW also creates mroe health problems and thus higher disability related unemployment.

 

It's too late to go into detail on hypothetical parliamentary policies that you're just going to pick apart anyway.

So you would leave personal tax bands unchanged?     

[Cade]

Subtext: "If you wanted a debate on Syria, you should have called Parliament before launching airstrikes"

 

[shaun.lawson]

21 hours ago, deesidejambo said:

Shaun I respect your historical knowledge but this is not vile.   It is clear in the article that the issue is in hand and will be addressed.
 

Just because doesn't make it onto the cohgm agenda doesn't mean its not recognised.

 

Nobody is being deported.

 

Nobody is being discriminated against.

 

People have already been deported. The Home Office doesn't even know how many.

 

People - scores upon scores of them - have already been discriminated against. The Home Office doesn't know how many either.

 

I don't understand how you sit there posting with such complacency when this has been going on for so long. I don't understand why so many have this attitude of "oh no, this couldn't possibly happen in Britain" when it does happen, it is happening and it has been happening.

 

 

[deesidejambo]

11 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

People have already been deported. The Home Office doesn't even know how many.

 

People - scores upon scores of them - have already been discriminated against. The Home Office doesn't know how many either.

 

I don't understand how you sit there posting with such complacency when this has been going on for so long. I don't understand why so many have this attitude of "oh no, this couldn't possibly happen in Britain" when it does happen, it is happening and it has been happening.

 

 

Show me where it says Windrush migrants have already been deported.  

[shaun.lawson]

Just now, deesidejambo said:

Show me where it says Windrush migrants have already been deported.  

 

Asked about it in Parliament, the Home Secretary could not give an answer, and said she'd talk to the High Commissioners. That's the same High Commissioners which the government had refused to meet. 

 

Hostile environment plus UKIP apologia meets breathtaking incompetence and overwhelmed Home Office. And this is the result. Human misery.

[deesidejambo]

Just now, shaun.lawson said:

 

Asked about it in Parliament, the Home Secretary could not give an answer, and said she'd talk to the High Commissioners. That's the same High Commissioners which the government had refused to meet. 

 

Hostile environment plus UKIP apologia meets breathtaking incompetence and overwhelmed Home Office. And this is the result. Human misery.

Shaun you are over-reacting imo.

 

The issue is clear - Due to the fact it was many years ago, Windrush migrants dont have paperwork to prove where they arrived from so they are "at risk" of deportation.     The Govt have repeatedly said they will engage and sort the issue out.    It is now going to be discussed at the CHGM.

 

I know you hate Tories, thats fine if you want to, but dont get hysterical please about an issue that has arisen and is being dealt with.

 

And your statement that Windrush migrants have already been deported is simply wrong.

[shaun.lawson]

1 minute ago, deesidejambo said:

Shaun you are over-reacting imo.

 

The issue is clear - Due to the fact it was many years ago, Windrush migrants dont have paperwork to prove where they arrived from so they are "at risk" of deportation.     The Govt have repeatedly said they will engage and sort the issue out.    It is now going to be discussed at the CHGM.

 

I know you hate Tories, thats fine if you want to, but dont get hysterical please about an issue that has arisen and is being dealt with.

 

And your statement that Windrush migrants have already been deported is simply wrong.

 

No it isn't. If it was wrong, the Home Secretary would have said so. Everything Lammy said in that speech was bang on the money. And sorry - but it should not take a media uproar to get the government to sort this out. That it has is another reminder of the kind of government the UK has. 

[shaun.lawson]

8 minutes ago, deesidejambo said:

And your statement that Windrush migrants have already been deported is simply wrong.

 

"Immigration minister Caroline Noakes admitted today that at least some of the WIndrush kids have already been deported".

 

The rest of this article gets it bang on too.

 

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/04/16/windrush-scandal-shows-what-happens-when-anti-immigrant-hyst

[pablo]

 

Hopefully the situation is resolved pronto and the people affected can be given the correct documents and get on with their lives. An appalling mess, there's no doubt. That said, can't say that I've got a problem with the government tightening up on immigration rules.

[deesidejambo]

Ok if it’s confirmed that some have already been deported I agree it’s shameful.   But it seems strange that this happened without publicity.

 

They should be allowed to return

[LesJambes]

This situation is crazy, sending people in their 60's to a country some of them don't even remember is ridiculous. Especially when we have ISIS fighters returning to France and the UK, quite probably having participated in war crimes. We shouldn't be harbouring war criminals. If we don't send them to Syria directly for trial they should definitely be investigated by the EU for human rights abuses. I would like to think if UK citizens went abroad and murdered people, regardless of our diplomatic relations with the respective nation, that we'd hold them to account as far as possible. Sorry to veer off topic but this just seems like such an insane juxtaposition to me.

[Cade]

Esther McVey was up here today, trying to justify the Rape Clause to the Scottish Parliament.
She still think there's nothing wrong with it.

She more or less said that it's a 2-for-1: Not only do you get more benefit money for your 3rd kid, but you also get to report a rape!

[deesidejambo]

28 minutes ago, Cade said:

Esther McVey was up here today, trying to justify the Rape Clause to the Scottish Parliament.
She still think there's nothing wrong with it.

She more or less said that it's a 2-for-1: Not only do you get more benefit money for your 3rd kid, but you also get to report a rape!

Agree it should be binned.    But reporting rape should be encouraged not covered up

[Cade]

3 minutes ago, deesidejambo said:

Agree it should be binned.    But reporting rape should be encouraged not covered up

Encouraged, by all means.

Forced? No.

[Victorian]

Really not sure how they could have ****ed this up in good faith.    Impossible.     The answer lies in something other than good faith.

 

Chronic incompetence + disinterest = guaranteed shitfest.

 

Arseholes.

[shaun.lawson]

 

[Victorian]

Unless of course it was a case of the Home Office gathering all of the 'low hanging fruit' in terms of deportations to help the figures along.    Perceived easy (easier) scores than perhaps deportations of other demographics,  etc.      Target driven inhumanity.

[shaun.lawson]

3 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Unless of course it was a case of the Home Office gathering all of the 'low hanging fruit' in terms of deportations to help the figures along.    Perceived easy (easier) scores than perhaps deportations of other demographics,  etc.      Target driven inhumanity.

 

Correct. They've been doing it for years. Same approach from the DWP to benefits; same approach from HMRC to tax. 

[Victorian]

Just now, shaun.lawson said:

 

Correct. They've been doing it for years. Same approach from the DWP to benefits; same approach from HMRC to tax. 

 

Yep.    The Home Sectetary's sudden attack of candour regarding "policy" being to blame certainly smells rancid enough for one to be certain that something else is being 'protected'.

 

Look!   We admit we are to blame 'cos of THIS.    No need to keep on looking... all is admitted.

[shaun.lawson]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

 

Yep.    The Home Sectetary's sudden attack of candour regarding "policy" being to blame

 

Funny, who was it who was responsible for Home Office policy for 6 years? Can't quite think off-hand... 

[Victorian]

Just now, shaun.lawson said:

 

Funny, who was it who was responsible for Home Office policy for 6 years? Can't quite think off-hand... 

 

Yes it was the shitemare May.

[Thunderstruck]

Around 10 years ago a change was made by the then Labour Government to place an onus on employers to verify that employees were British Citizens or had a right to remain and work in the U.K.

 

You might remember having to produce your Passport or Birth Certificate to your employer at the time and it is the reason that Passport or Birth Certificate now form part of the necessary documents to take to a job interview. 

 

Hefty fines could be imposed for employing unentitled individuals and these checks unearthed quite a few individuals who could not prove their status and could not then remain in employment.

 

Sometimes these would be straightforward chancers but other times they would be children of immigrants or adoptees who innocently thought that the correct paperwork would have been obtained by their natural or adoptive parents. 

 

Not it sure if the same now applies to benefits but, if it does, these individuals could find themselves between a rock and a hard place. 

 

I recall a briefing at that time which suggested that the “innocents” could expect to be granted a right to remain but that it would take time to conduct checks - during which time that individual could not work. 

 

Bureaucratic shortcomings or a directed campaign? My money is on the former and no doubt exacerbated by cutbacks. 

 

 

[JamboX2]

28 minutes ago, Hunky Dory said:

Deportation of citizens that have been here since childhood.

 

Policies that have led to death of 1000s of civilians.

 

Providing arms to despots.

 

Arming nearly every side in Syria at some point.

 

Bypassing parliament and spending needless money on missiles.

 

Homeless numbers at an all time high.

 

Silence.

 

-

 

Gaelic road signs - SCANDAL, SNPBAD, SHOCKING, EMBARRASSING, WASTE OF MONEY.

 

Not really the point HD...