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Just shows how poor MP's pay is compared to what they can earn in the public sector (admittedly obscene numbers, mind)

*Private*, duh.

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Space Mackerel

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What an embarrassment to her gender and the general population.

 

She is not fit to even be in opposition.

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What an embarrassment to her gender and the general population.

 

She is not fit to even be in opposition.

Due to no worries on the rape front.

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Space Mackerel

Due to no worries on the rape front.

State assessed if you've been raped or not is the way to go via Ruth.

Handouts are at the discretion of the DHSS.

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Frank

What happened to your manifesto pledge of no more Tax hikes. NI hike for the self employed to align with PAYE employees without the same benefits. Are they gonnae give me holiday pay etc...???

 

LIARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Political party in "not fulfilling manifesto pledges" shocker.

 

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aussieh

Political party in "not fulfilling manifesto pledges" shocker.

 

:vrwow:

Take yer time there noo Frank. Nae rush.

 

 

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Victorian

Mooth must be spewin'. Utterly hamstrung by a woeful policy she can't speak out against. Forced to defend it by saying the SNP should mitigate against it from the welfare fund if it's that bad.

 

Sound. We'll impose any number of horrendous policies and if you don't like them... and don't allocate your own budget to take up the slack... it's your fault.

 

Meanwhile in England... Grammar Schools ra-ra-ra. They're open to all and everyone. Honest they are.

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Boris

Mooth must be spewin'. Utterly hamstrung by a woeful policy she can't speak out against. Forced to defend it by saying the SNP should mitigate against it from the welfare fund if it's that bad.

Sound. We'll impose any number of horrendous policies and if you don't like them... and don't allocate your own budget to take up the slack... it's your fault.

Meanwhile in England... Grammar Schools ra-ra-ra. They're open to all and everyone. Honest they are.

Excellent post, Sir.

 

You would think the Labour Party would be all over this up here as well, but sadly not.

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Victorian

Excellent post, Sir.

 

You would think the Labour Party would be all over this up here as well, but sadly not.

Dugbaws is probably too busy trying to rehash the 'concentrate on the day job' soundbyte for the next eagerly anticipated chance to wheel it out.

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Space Mackerel

I saw the SLAB party political broadcast the other night. Anyone would think this indy2 referendum was next week going on the amount they banged on about it.

 

Utterly pathetic stuff, no wonder they are where they are.

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Seymour M Hersh

The Tory lie of "fairness".

 

 

 

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Osborne , its astounding and even  scary that this man can get so many highly paid jobs given his abject failure to meet any of his own targets.

 

Was part of the cabinet that instigated  welfare cuts for the vulnerable and mentally and disabled. :thumbsdown:

 

Serial liars the lot of them.

 

Some Tories will just put it to envy and jealously though.   :vrface:

 

It's hardly May's fault that the evening standard are so stupid to appoint that fekwit is it? As for the serial liars bit surely your mature enough to realise that all politicians are serial liars.

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JamboX2

March 2015?

 

Since the SNP landslide has similar not been done?

 

Genuine question as I'd be surprised if my taxes didn't (rightly) subsidise the living costs of MPs from far outwith London.

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JamboX2

Excellent post, Sir.

 

You would think the Labour Party would be all over this up here as well, but sadly not.

Sadly as Denis Healy once said of Geoffrey Howe, Ms Dugdale has likely been going door to door of late, gun in hand, hole in foot telling anyone who will listen she didn't realise it was loaded rather than attacking this Tory debacle.

 

Then again rather than play the man I'd rather she was actually playing the game in the first place and articulating what she's wanting to achieve from these local elections.

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Sadly as Denis Healy once said of Geoffrey Howe, Ms Dugdale has likely been going door to door of late, gun in hand, hole in foot telling anyone who will listen she didn't realise it was loaded rather than attacking this Tory debacle.

 

Then again rather than play the man I'd rather she was actually playing the game in the first place and articulating what she's wanting to achieve from these local elections.

Alas she has found out good and proper that SLAB are indeed just a branch office even with Corbyn at the helm.

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Space Mackerel

Sadly as Denis Healy once said of Geoffrey Howe, Ms Dugdale has likely been going door to door of late, gun in hand, hole in foot telling anyone who will listen she didn't realise it was loaded rather than attacking this Tory debacle.

 

Then again rather than play the man I'd rather she was actually playing the game in the first place and articulating what she's wanting to achieve from these local elections.

What do you think of this?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08mj8kb/party-election-broadcasts-scottish-labour-party-scottish-council-elections-2017-11042017

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JamboX2

Alas she has found out good and proper that SLAB are indeed just a branch office even with Corbyn at the helm.

No John. She's had the most authority and independence of anyone in that job. She has total control of the Scottish Party.

 

She has a seat on the UK NEC.

 

The failings now are those of herself and her advisors and her senior MSPs. After this further decline to come she should stay in post but actually wake up, flex her muscles and actually focus on day to day issues in a coherent way.

 

Scottish Labour should say what do we want to do for Scotland. Even be as bold as to identify 4 or 5 key evils or ills in Scottish life and tailor policies to combat them much like Beveridge did with Disease, Squalor, Ignorance, Want and Idleness. I'd argue they should be:

 

Inequality - welfare & health & attainment

Ignorance - connectivity, education and skills, combatting sectarianism

Shelter - housing

Centralisation - empowering local communities

Freedom - greater democracy and rights

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Space Mackerel

No John. She's had the most authority and independence of anyone in that job. She has total control of the Scottish Party.

 

She has a seat on the UK NEC.

 

The failings now are those of herself and her advisors and her senior MSPs. After this further decline to come she should stay in post but actually wake up, flex her muscles and actually focus on day to day issues in a coherent way.

 

Scottish Labour should say what do we want to do for Scotland. Even be as bold as to identify 4 or 5 key evils or ills in Scottish life and tailor policies to combat them much like Beveridge did with Disease, Squalor, Ignorance, Want and Idleness. I'd argue they should be:

 

Inequality - welfare & health & attainment

Ignorance - connectivity, education and skills, combatting sectarianism

Shelter - housing

Centralisation - empowering local communities

Freedom - greater democracy and rights

Dugdale will be dug meat after these council elections mate.

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John Findlay

No John. She's had the most authority and independence of anyone in that job. She has total control of the Scottish Party.

 

She has a seat on the UK NEC.

 

The failings now are those of herself and her advisors and her senior MSPs. After this further decline to come she should stay in post but actually wake up, flex her muscles and actually focus on day to day issues in a coherent way.

 

Scottish Labour should say what do we want to do for Scotland. Even be as bold as to identify 4 or 5 key evils or ills in Scottish life and tailor policies to combat them much like Beveridge did with Disease, Squalor, Ignorance, Want and Idleness. I'd argue they should be:

 

Inequality - welfare & health & attainment

Ignorance - connectivity, education and skills, combatting sectarianism

Shelter - housing

Centralisation - empowering local communities

Freedom - greater democracy and rights

That doesn't mean anything. Still a branch office and as long as there is a UK labour party. SLAB will be a branch office.

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MacDonald Jardine

That doesn't mean anything. Still a branch office and as long as there is a UK labour party. SLAB will be a branch office.

Does that mean there's only one proper political party in Scotland?

 

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Space Mackerel

That doesn't mean anything. Still a branch office and as long as there is a UK labour party. SLAB will be a branch office.

Not a very good branch office either with Kezia and Jeremy at loggerheads over indy2 and the Section 30 request.

 

An utter shambles of a party now.

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John Findlay

Does that mean there's only one proper political party in Scotland?

 

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No. One run by Scotland. The rest from London which includes the Greens to a certain degree.

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SwindonJambo

Not a very good branch office either with Kezia and Jeremy at loggerheads over indy2 and the Section 30 request.

An utter shambles of a party now.

I 100% agree with your final sentence Spacey Mac. It certainly suits your agenda in Scotland but for rUK it's a very bad thing as it means that the thoroughly insipid Party in Power can get sloppy, make boo boos and comfortably remain in Power. Dominance by a single party is never a good thing in any political sphere. It never ends well.

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Space Mackerel

I 100% agree with your final sentence Spacey Mac. It certainly suits your agenda in Scotland but for rUK it's a very bad thing as it means that the thoroughly insipid Party in Power can get sloppy, make boo boos and comfortably remain in Power. Dominance by a single party is never a good thing in any political sphere. It never ends well.

I actually think that Jeremy Corbyn isn't that bad a choice down South given the MSM bias that's been adopted since he took the reigns over at Labour, there's definitely an agenda set against him in tv and the usual print media., it's pretty obvious.

He's probably the only decent left winger that can resurrect Labour up here, Kezia is an utter disaster, some saying SLAB are on 14% now.

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SwindonJambo

I actually think that Jeremy Corbyn isn't that bad a choice down South given the MSM bias that's been adopted since he took the reigns over at Labour, there's definitely an agenda set against him in tv and the usual print media., it's pretty obvious.

He's probably the only decent left winger that can resurrect Labour up here, Kezia is an utter disaster, some saying SLAB are on 14% now.

Kinnock began his career on the left but moved closer to the middle ground later. As an elder statesman he always says that you must win the middle ground to win an election, albeit too late to become PM himself, something which was within his grasp in 1992 until his career ending brain fart in Sheffield the Sunday night before the election, which he later admitted regretting.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-39531021

 

Jeremy Corbyn is a dreadful choice for down here. He may be popular with his party membership, but Labour voters are now deserting the party by the million, including me. As a Lanarkshire boy, I will never vote Tory after Maggie's mob left us to rot in the 80s. I'll probably end up voting for the Monster Raving Looney Party if they field a candidate here.

 

Scotland has always been a bit further left than rUK though so the middle ground is much smaller.

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Space Mackerel

Kinnock began his career on the left but moved closer to the middle ground later. As an elder statesman he always says that you must win the middle ground to win an election, albeit too late to become PM himself, something which was within his grasp in 1992 until his career ending brain fart in Sheffield the Sunday night before the election, which he later admitted regretting.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-39531021

 

Jeremy Corbyn is a dreadful choice for down here. He may be popular with his party membership, but Labour voters are now deserting the party by the million, including me. As a Lanarkshire boy, I will never vote Tory after Maggie's mob left us to rot in the 80s. I'll probably end up voting for the Monster Raving Looney Party if they field a candidate here.

 

Scotland has always been a bit further left than rUK though so the middle ground is much smaller.

Well, I'm not any Labour political strategist but if I lived in Swindon I would be inclined to pledge my vote to JC, maybe the Greens or Lib Dems.

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SwindonJambo

Well, I'm not any Labour political strategist but if I lived in Swindon I would be inclined to pledge my vote to JC, maybe the Greens or Lib Dems.

The Monster Raving Looney Party bit was a joke. I've never seen them field a candidate in my seat (Wantage, big rural seat near Swindon). I'll probably vote Lib Dem by default even though I think Tim Farron's a completely anonymous lightweight.

 

Swindon has 2 MPs- North & South. Both were Labour throughout Blair & Brown's time but both turned blue in 2010 and have remained so ever since. Swindon is very much a barometer town politically.

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JamboX2

Dugdale will be dug meat after these council elections mate.

She won't. There's no one else. Equally, changing leadership will only work if there is a change in direction and a change in attitude. At present I see little evidence of that occurring.

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JamboX2

That doesn't mean anything. Still a branch office and as long as there is a UK labour party. SLAB will be a branch office.

That means nothing. The party in Scotland is fully autonomous. Reforms have happened to that effect.

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Space Mackerel

The Monster Raving Looney Party bit was a joke. I've never seen them field a candidate in my seat (Wantage, big rural seat near Swindon). I'll probably vote Lib Dem by default even though I think Tim Farron's a completely anonymous lightweight.

 

Swindon has 2 MPs- North & South. Both were Labour throughout Blair & Brown's time but both turned blue in 2010 and have remained so ever since. Swindon is very much a barometer town politically.

Tim Farron is an anonymous lightweight given the amount of media coverage he gets compared to the big two though. I've always voted SNP since I could bar once to get Tory Blair into power the first time, best to stick with your convictions.

 

Good to hear you're not a Tory though [emoji106]

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JamboX2

I 100% agree with your final sentence Spacey Mac. It certainly suits your agenda in Scotland but for rUK it's a very bad thing as it means that the thoroughly insipid Party in Power can get sloppy, make boo boos and comfortably remain in Power. Dominance by a single party is never a good thing in any political sphere. It never ends well.

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JamboX2

The Monster Raving Looney Party bit was a joke. I've never seen them field a candidate in my seat (Wantage, big rural seat near Swindon). I'll probably vote Lib Dem by default even though I think Tim Farron's a completely anonymous lightweight.

 

Swindon has 2 MPs- North & South. Both were Labour throughout Blair & Brown's time but both turned blue in 2010 and have remained so ever since. Swindon is very much a barometer town politically.

I think the Liberals stand a good chance of winning a lot of Labour and moderate Tory seats in any coming election.

 

Labour are alienating themselves from too many liberal voters to go anywhere. Worrying times for the left of UK politics.

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Space Mackerel

She won't. There's no one else. Equally, changing leadership will only work if there is a change in direction and a change in attitude. At present I see little evidence of that occurring.

I think SLAB are in need of a major change in direction. The Greens could overtake them soon. I dunno how you cannot see this? Edited by Space Mackerel

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JamboX2

Kinnock began his career on the left but moved closer to the middle ground later. As an elder statesman he always says that you must win the middle ground to win an election, albeit too late to become PM himself, something which was within his grasp in 1992 until his career ending brain fart in Sheffield the Sunday night before the election, which he later admitted regretting.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-39531021

 

Jeremy Corbyn is a dreadful choice for down here. He may be popular with his party membership, but Labour voters are now deserting the party by the million, including me. As a Lanarkshire boy, I will never vote Tory after Maggie's mob left us to rot in the 80s. I'll probably end up voting for the Monster Raving Looney Party if they field a candidate here.

 

Scotland has always been a bit further left than rUK though so the middle ground is much smaller.

Agreed. You win from the centre.

 

I disagree on the leftier Scotland though. The policies proposed by the SNP as an opposition Westminster party were certainly to the left. Their policies a year later in 2016 to win office - from tax and spend to health, housing and welfare - are solidly centrist policies.

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JamboX2

I think SLAB are in need of a major change in direction. The Greens could overtake them soon. I dunno how you cannot see this?

Spacey read my posts. I've stated repeatedly it's not working right now. There's no coherence in policies and no overarching vision to work to.

 

What I'm saying to you is without someone else offering a change in direction then changing the leader is pointless.

 

Replace her with who? Sarwar? Baillie? Kelly? None will do any better. All will do the same stuff. Only one who may be different is Findlay. But he seems a bit quiet of late.

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Space Mackerel

Spacey read my posts. I've stated repeatedly it's not working right now. There's no coherence in policies and no overarching vision to work to.

 

What I'm saying to you is without someone else offering a change in direction then changing the leader is pointless.

 

Replace her with who? Sarwar? Baillie? Kelly? None will do any better. All will do the same stuff. Only one who may be different is Findlay. But he seems a bit quiet of late.

Politics is something that never stands still, I'm sure you'll agree?

Why SLAB have is something I can't get my head around hence their current position these days.

Will you be voting for them in the Council Elections?

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SwindonJambo

Tim Farron is an anonymous lightweight given the amount of media coverage he gets compared to the big two though. I've always voted SNP since I could bar once to get Tory Blair into power the first time, best to stick with your convictions.

Good to hear you're not a Tory though [emoji106]

This is my MP. He is an absolute tosser. Just an anonymous over privileged drone, picking up his MP salary, no small expenses and some nice consultancy work on the side. He has a title and his father was a Labour peer , even though he's Tory himself.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Vaizey

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JamboX2

Politics is something that never stands still, I'm sure you'll agree?

Why SLAB have is something I can't get my head around hence their current position these days.

Will you be voting for them in the Council Elections?

After reading the Edinburgh manifestos I'll likely be providing support to Labour, Lib Dems and Greens.

 

I agree politics never stands still but I really don't think you're getting what I'm telling you - if there is no prospect of any change in direction under a new leader I see little point in changing leader.

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SwindonJambo

Tim Farron is an anonymous lightweight given the amount of media coverage he gets compared to the big two though. I've always voted SNP since I could bar once to get Tory Blair into power the first time, best to stick with your convictions.

Good to hear you're not a Tory though [emoji106]

Paddy Pantsdown and Cleggy Pie got much more publicity then Tim Farron as both had a bit of charisma and their party held far more seats during their respective times at the helm. They will now become a fringe irrelevance, winning the odd seat by dint of a protest vote as they did recently over Zac Goldsmith's support for the 3rd Heathrow runway. That hoisted their seat count from 8 to 9. As JamboX 2 says, they may pick up a lot of votes from disaffected habitual Labour voters.

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Space Mackerel

After reading the Edinburgh manifestos I'll likely be providing support to Labour, Lib Dems and Greens.

 

I agree politics never stands still but I really don't think you're getting what I'm telling you - if there is no prospect of any change in direction under a new leader I see little point in changing leader.

I was going to vote according to the manifestos of the local candidates but seeing as Labour and the Torys are supposedly making this to be a referendum on a referendum, they will not be getting my vote. They'll be ranked last.

Both need to grow up, it's embarrassing canvassing from the pair.

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Space Mackerel

This is my MP. He is an absolute tosser. Just an anonymous over privileged drone, picking up his MP salary, no small expenses and some nice consultancy work on the side. He has a title and his father was a Labour peer , even though he's Tory himself.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Vaizey

We agree, he sounds like an absolute tosser.

This is what is wrong in politics now, MP's are not from normal jobs and walks of life these days. They barely represent the common man/woman.

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Space Mackerel

Paddy Pantsdown and Cleggy Pie got much more publicity then Tim Farron as both had a bit of charisma and their party held far more seats during their respective times at the helm. They will now become a fringe irrelevance, winning the odd seat by dint of a protest vote as they did recently over Zac Goldsmith's support for the 3rd Heathrow runway. That hoisted their seat count from 8 to 9. As JamboX 2 says, they may pick up a lot of votes from disaffected habitual Labour voters.

Nah, I don't buy that. There is a definite MSM bias against Corbyn and Farron and Sturgeon and pretty much anything else that disagrees with the British/English state, more so post Brexit.

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SwindonJambo

We agree, he sounds like an absolute tosser.

This is what is wrong in politics now, MP's are not from normal jobs and walks of life these days. They barely represent the common man/woman.

Many if not most politicians nowadays are career politicians with little or no employment experience outside politics. It is not healthy. All Parties are guilty and it's happening in other countries too.

 

Believe me, disaffection with the cosseted Westminster bubble is not confined to Scotland- far from it. We are just 80 miles West of London here and even here people feel alienated. No doubt it's much worse in the North of England.

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Space Mackerel

Many if not most politicians nowadays are career politicians with little or no employment experience outside politics. It is not healthy. All Parties are guilty and it's happening in other countries too.

 

Believe me, disaffection with the cosseted Westminster bubble is not confined to Scotland- far from it. We are just 80 miles West of London here and even here people feel alienated. No doubt it's much worse in the North of England.

I think you're now getting the jist why we want to get away from Westminster rule with the above post. It's nice to have these options given the circumstances. :)

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JamboX2

I was going to vote according to the manifestos of the local candidates but seeing as Labour and the Torys are supposedly making this to be a referendum on a referendum, they will not be getting my vote. They'll be ranked last.

Both need to grow up, it's embarrassing canvassing from the pair.

What do you expect when for near 3 months all we've heard from the SNP is independence. Not surprising given that's their only reason for being. Equally true given the recent comments of Frank Ross, SNP Leader in Edinburgh. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/frank-ross-check-the-name-on-ballot-paper-when-you-vote-1-4414408/amp

 

Nothing on policy. Nothing on aims for the city.

 

It'll be interesting in Edinburgh I think. I think Labour's overall crisis will hit them here resulting in more SNP, LibDems, Greens and Tories.

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Space Mackerel

What do you expect when for near 3 months all we've heard from the SNP is independence. Not surprising given that's their only reason for being. Equally true given the recent comments of Frank Ross, SNP Leader in Edinburgh. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/frank-ross-check-the-name-on-ballot-paper-when-you-vote-1-4414408/amp

 

Nothing on policy. Nothing on aims for the city.

 

It'll be interesting in Edinburgh I think. I think Labour's overall crisis will hit them here resulting in more SNP, LibDems, Greens and Tories.

That's nothing but a puff piece of news and hardly worth reading.

 

Meanwhile...how times change eh? This from 2012.

 

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JamboX2

That's nothing but a puff piece of news and hardly worth reading.

 

Meanwhile...how times change eh? This from 2012.

 

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Can't disagree with Ruth on that. Would rather it was on local issues.

 

But them boom - indyref2 was announced.

 

Meanwhile, Frank Ross is telling us he leads Edinburgh's "only party".

 

No one is talking about local policies.

 

It's a blight on all of them Spacey and a sign of how bad Scottish politics has gotten.

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