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3 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

No, she's turned against him and his advisors.   Bit of a surprise, tbf.   

 

That Welsh secretary guy is like a poor mans JRM.   

Oakewood on fire. Fiona Bruce will want to 'move on'. 

 

 

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jack D and coke

That posh pipe cleaner doubling down on his support for Johnson. 
I don’t like to wish ill on people but he’s severely trying me. 
It’s like being trolled when he opens his mouth :lol: 

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2 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

I've seen multiple postings about him. Never heard of him before. He denies its a wig he wears... Bizarre , He has had cancer * skin and prostrate so possibly had chemo for prostrate so maybe  lost his hair.   ? 

 

"In 2015 Fabricant was diagnosed with skin cancer and prostate cancer, undergoing a prostatectomy as treatment for the latter.[35] He spoke of his treatment for prostate cancer in the House of Commons the following year, highlighting the shortage of specialist prostate cancer nurses in the National Health Service. " 

 

Although i have sympathy regarding the above he seems a right contrary character and has said some offensive  stuff about various peoples ( Muslims and Palestinians ) A rather unusual  character really. 

 

 

 

Thoughts with cancer at this difficult time. 

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8 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

That posh pipe cleaner doubling down on his support for Johnson. 
I don’t like to wish ill on people but he’s severely trying me. 
It’s like being trolled when he opens his mouth :lol: 

I know what you mean but every time he opens his mouth it's an own goal. His efforts today to suggest the rules were disproportionate to the dangers in order to try and soften the impact of party gate was risible in the extreme. Excruciating. Nice suit, though.

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52 minutes ago, Costanza said:

 

I’m certainly no royalist but what a bunch of utter *****. They claim to be the establishment party than behave like that towards an old woman who has been the monarch for many years. All of the people in the UK suffering through funerals without loved ones and the Queen toeing the line, albeit with more pomp and a band or two but still not the full thing. 

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5 minutes ago, Tazio said:

I’m certainly no royalist but what a bunch of utter *****. They claim to be the establishment party than behave like that towards an old woman who has been the monarch for many years. All of the people in the UK suffering through funerals without loved ones and the Queen toeing the line, albeit with more pomp and a band or two but still not the full thing. 

They are all back stabbing *****. It's how their families got rich in the first place. Doubt they have a genuine friendship with anyone that they wouldn't sell for a profit. 

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11 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said:

I know what you mean but every time he opens his mouth it's an own goal. His efforts today to suggest the rules were disproportionate to the dangers in order to try and soften the impact of party gate was risible in the extreme. Excruciating. Nice suit, though.

It’s clear he believes himself above us all. He done it last year too at Christmas where he traveled miles from his local chapel to attend a special mass out with the zones we were all meant to stay in. After his Grenfell tower comments too…
How on earth do these people get into these positions where they’re spitting down on us like this?  
 

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48 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

No, she's turned against him and his advisors.   Bit of a surprise, tbf.   

 

That Welsh secretary guy is like a poor mans JRM.   

Poshflaps Mogg was challenged in the House today to name the leader of the Welsh conservatives - a follow up to the snide comments about Ross. He very confidently named the wrong person. 

 

He stated that he holds Ross in low regard because a member of the Conservative party should always give its leader full support. Yes, the same cunstard who openly plotted against Teresa May when she led the party. 

 

The guy is a thick as Dorries in the neck of a bottle and nastier that Patel but having the posh accent and demeanour sees him get away with it. 

 

 

15 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said:

Nice suit, though.

I suppose it is if you're going to a 1930s fancy dress party. 

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13 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

They are all back stabbing *****. It's how their families got rich in the first place. Doubt they have a genuine friendship with anyone that they wouldn't sell for a profit. 

Haha! 

When Liz "Dipshit" Truss wrote yesterday that she was "100% behind the Prime Minister", it crossed my mind that that's the best place to be if you're going to stab him between the shoulder blades. 

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2 minutes ago, I P Knightley said:

Haha! 

When Liz "Dipshit" Truss wrote yesterday that she was "100% behind the Prime Minister", it crossed my mind that that's the best place to be if you're going to stab him between the shoulder blades. 

Or peg him until his arse bursts. 

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28 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

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Oh look its trolly mctroller 👍🏻 Evening lad , no take to share on the parties the night before Prince Phillips funeral? 

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6 hours ago, sadj said:

Oh look its trolly mctroller 👍🏻 Evening lad , no take to share on the parties the night before Prince Phillips funeral? 

Son of Dorries is unusually quiet on that one, especially for a flag shagging troll. 

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6 hours ago, sadj said:

Oh look its trolly mctroller 👍🏻 Evening lad , no take to share on the parties the night before Prince Phillips funeral? 

He's the fan leader of the British cult! Probably self flagellates.

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8 hours ago, Tazio said:

I’m certainly no royalist but what a bunch of utter *****. They claim to be the establishment party than behave like that towards an old woman who has been the monarch for many years. All of the people in the UK suffering through funerals without loved ones and the Queen toeing the line, albeit with more pomp and a band or two but still not the full thing. 

 

They'll try and blame this on staff but it's inconceivable that ministers,  the press and the Met didn't know about this but let it go on unchecked.

They probably had to scan in that suitcase full of booze FFS.

Maybe a good thing on one regard that it didn't come out in 2020 given the impact it would have had on the public.

 

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16 hours ago, Lone Striker said:

There's loads of things in Scotland that need improving though.   More affordable housing, more NHS staff, more police, better funding for essential council services, etc         There's a concerning disconnect between the SG and the Scottish voters currently  - the SG say they're constrained by Westminster funding rules, yet seem determined to avoid raising more taxes from Scottish businesses and people,  imo for political reasons. Keep blaming devolution.

 

 In an independent Scotland, would we (the voters) not expect to pay more tax in order to achieve these better outcomes ?   I would, and would gladly pay more tax if I could see a SG with radical ambition to improve the country.  

 

Take the FoH analogy.  Whats the point of moaning that Hearts don't have enough money to compete at the top end of the league when we (the fans) have  got the means of giving extra funding voluntarily to the club ?  If Hearts came out and said they were looking for funding to build our own training facility, most fans would  gladly contribute if they could afford to.    For me, I love Scotland and would take the same view if it was to help  advance our country.

 

Just on your first paragraph. We have built more affordable housing, have more nhs staff, have more police than rUK already (can't comment on council services as no idea how to find that out) 

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4 minutes ago, Dazo said:

The state some of you get into over mp’s telling lies. 😂

The state of the mp's trying to defend the indefensible. I need to get off to work, clink clink

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Not sure what I make of  BBC radio constant reference now to BYOB, linking it into just about any associated news, even sport. Just seems to trivialize it all. Just report the ****ing facts and leave this stuff to satirical shows.  Have they not been listening  to the stories about the alternative scenarios for people that haven't been partying? Death and grief.

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2 hours ago, Dazo said:

The state some of you get into over mp’s telling lies. 😂

It's in the context of the pandemic that makes it more than a point scoring exercise, D.

I can't imagine what some people, who lost someone and couldn't be with them at that time, must be thinking.

Being a public forum, I'll refrain from airing my thoughts if it was one of my family.

 

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2 minutes ago, Boab said:

It's in the context of the pandemic that makes it more than a point scoring exercise, D.

I can't imagine what some people, who lost someone and couldn't be with them at that time, must be thinking.

Being a public forum, I'll refrain from airing my thoughts if it was one of my family.

 


Those things aren’t linked though, the people linking them are making political point scoring. The horrific experiences people went through would have still happened, work colleagues having a piss up didn’t change that. 

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1 minute ago, Dazo said:


Those things aren’t linked though, the people linking them are making political point scoring. The horrific experiences people went through would have still happened, work colleagues having a piss up didn’t change that. 

They made the rules that made these experiences horrific. 

And then pissed all over them.

Indefensible...I would hope most would agree.

 

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26 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

His alibi.

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Sure it wasn't a Corona briefing?

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8 minutes ago, Boab said:

They made the rules that made these experiences horrific. 

And then pissed all over them.

Indefensible...I would hope most would agree.

 

It's very straightforward and doesn't need twisting unless you're some kind of sociopath.

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2 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Those things aren’t linked though, the people linking them are making political point scoring. The horrific experiences people went through would have still happened, work colleagues having a piss up didn’t change that. 

But they are linked.  We were all bound by the same set of laws/guidelines at the time.  One group, to their emotional distress, abided by those rules.  The other group, in blatant disregard for the rules and the rest of the population, decided that parties were appropriate.  I can't see a clearer illustration of "one rule for them and another rule for everyone else".

 

It is abhorrent that Downing Street continued to act as party central while the rest of us were restricted from such activities.  

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14 minutes ago, Boab said:

They made the rules that made these experiences horrific. 

And then pissed all over them.

Indefensible...I would hope most would agree.

 


Not defending what they did in any way boab. 👍

 

5 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

But they are linked.  We were all bound by the same set of laws/guidelines at the time.  One group, to their emotional distress, abided by those rules.  The other group, in blatant disregard for the rules and the rest of the population, decided that parties were appropriate.  I can't see a clearer illustration of "one rule for them and another rule for everyone else".

 

It is abhorrent that Downing Street continued to act as party central while the rest of us were restricted from such activities.  


I disagree regarding the link. People up and down the country adhere and break guidance or laws every single day. It does not mean any of those people are linked. People lost out on precious time with loved ones because of the rules not because some work mates had a party. Again I’m not defending what they did, just people linking them. For me the links being made are purely political. 

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9 minutes ago, Dazo said:


Not defending what they did in any way boab. 👍

 


I disagree regarding the link. People up and down the country adhere and break guidance or laws every single day. It does not mean any of those people are linked. People lost out on precious time with loved ones because of the rules not because some work mates had a party. Again I’m not defending what they did, just people linking them. For me the links being made are purely political. 

You appear to be acknowledging that the parties should not have taken place.  What do you believe should be the response to the fact that they did?  Should any individual or group be sanctioned, if at all?  If so, then what would be an appropriate sanction?

 

Do you not acknowledge that those who formulated and sought to impose restrictions on the population makes it a political issue?

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Just now, Footballfirst said:

You appear to be acknowledging that the parties should not have taken place.  What do you believe should be the response to the fact that they did?  Should any individual or group be sanctioned, if at all?  If so, then what would be appropriate.

 

Do you not acknowledge that those who formulated and sought to impose restrictions on the population is a political issue?


I’ll be honest it’s a tough one because on the actual party issue I think if people who work together every day, in the same office decide to have a piss up in their place of work I don’t really see the harm. Most of those parties would have been full of hardworking office staff.  That said if caught they should have been dealt with in line with the rules or laws at the time. Over and above that those in positions of authority who had knowledge should probably lose their jobs. 
 

Let’s be honest though people up and down the country we’re having parties and get together’s in varying levels of rule breaking. I know people who lost loved ones they couldn’t see but who also broke the rules. I just find rolling out heartbroken people and yet another picture of the queen sitting on her own all a bit needless, distasteful and political. 

 

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19 minutes ago, Dazo said:


Not defending what they did in any way boab. 👍

 


I disagree regarding the link. People up and down the country adhere and break guidance or laws every single day. It does not mean any of those people are linked. People lost out on precious time with loved ones because of the rules not because some work mates had a party. Again I’m not defending what they did, just people linking them. For me the links being made are purely political. 

The link is clear, D.

They made the very rules they broke.

No matter if they're Tory, SNP, whatever.

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3 hours ago, Dazo said:

The state some of you get into over mp’s telling lies. 😂

The shite you'll accept from your lords and masters :laugh2:

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1 minute ago, Boab said:

The link is clear, D.

They made the very rules they broke.

No matter if they're Tory, SNP, whatever.


One action didn’t cause the other though. Link is maybe the wrong word. You’re right though rosette colour is irrelevant. 

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1 minute ago, Smithee said:

The shite you'll accept from your lords and masters :laugh2:


See if that’s how you view them then that’s your problem Smithee not mine. 😘

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1 minute ago, Dazo said:


One action didn’t cause the other though. Link is maybe the wrong word. You’re right though rosette colour is irrelevant. 

No moralising here, D.

Impossible to calculate the number of people who were fined for having a piss up during lockdown. 

The point, the main point, is that they were prosecuted. 

If there are no prosecutions to come regarding this, can we really blame anyone for telling them to stuff it ?

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4 minutes ago, Dazo said:


See if that’s how you view them then that’s your problem Smithee not mine. 😘

Your lords and masters old chap

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There is no link as such.  But mentioning the experiences of people in connection with all the piss taking rule breaking provides perspective and context.

 

It shouldn't be that difficult to understand.

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No matter what your political or Covid-related stance is, how can folk actually defend the government's actions on this issue? Is it no longer done to put up your hands and say "It's a fair cop, Guv"?

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14 minutes ago, Smithee said:

Your lords and masters old chap


And yet they’re not. I only have one lord & master, so she tells me anyway.
 

I’m assuming your a short type of guy Smithee ? Always angry about something. 😂

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Probably as big a concern as these government employees, senior staff and the PM having these gatherings, which were clearly illegal, is that the Met Police must have known what was going on and did nothing.

The Met Police know exactly who goes through the gates to and from No10, and you would like to think that they could realise people have been drinking when they are checking back out again.

Then there is the story of somebody being sent out for drink for the April booze ups that we are now hearing happened on the eve of Prince Philip's funeral. So they were allowed to go out and come back with a suitcase, or similar, of booze. No check on the contents in case of an explosive device being smuggled in? The officers of a Met Police Commissioner, who has been reprieved from the sack for incompetence on more than one occasion by this government, turning a blind eye whilst coming down hard on the public. It stinks.

The whole culture within Downing Street is one of chaos and little regard for the rules that the general population had to follow. That culture comes from the top. The PM is ultimately responsible for all of these indiscretions as he is the leader who sets the tone.

Like her or loathe her, but can you imagine Thatcher having allowed these events to have taken place during the times we are living through now? Or indeed any PM in recent memory?

Any defence of Johnson is pathetic.

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1 hour ago, Dazo said:


Those things aren’t linked though, the people linking them are making political point scoring. The horrific experiences people went through would have still happened, work colleagues having a piss up didn’t change that. 

Laughable. 

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9 minutes ago, redjambo said:

No matter what your political or Covid-related stance is, how can folk actually defend the government's actions on this issue? Is it no longer done to put up your hands and say "It's a fair cop, Guv"?


Is anyone actually defending them though ? Like genuinely defending them and not trolling as I haven’t seen it. 

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