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Governor Tarkin
2 hours ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

They are dispensable, as far as I’m concerned. A drain on this country’s health and intelligence. 

 

Thank goodness the shadow of the Weegie is diminished within the greater UK. ?

 

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maroonlegions
30 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

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Aaaaaanyway, back to the “facts”...where were we?

The Tories are ****, now thats a fact. 

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maroonlegions
7 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

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Should be more food banks in the weegie eh, all those in work but still in poverty, not working hard enough  eh,,all those kids going without and having a shite Xmas, never this governments fault though. 

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1 minute ago, maroonlegions said:

Should be more food banks in the weegie eh, all those in work but still in poverty, not working hard enough  eh,,all those kids going without and having a shite Xmas, never this governments fault though. 

 

I don't give two ****s about them tbh, so you just bash on. ?

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maroonlegions
5 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

I don't give two ****s about them tbh, so you just bash on. ?

Spoken like a true Tory. 

Since when have your parties polices every gave a feck about the poor.:vrface:

 

Ok i will bash on.

 

Dark money .... the greatest current threat to democracy. Money spent below the public radar, that seeks to change political outcomes. It enables very rich people and corporations to influence politics without showing their hands.

 

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

Did they?

Or were they informed years ago that they would have to work to the same ages as men, yet ignored it.

 

When I graduated my pensionable age was 55 ( in psychiatry of all things)

it is now 67.

I also lost all my child benefit AFTER I had 3 kids- so there is decades of state benefit removed at short notice.

 

I'm not weeping for the imposition of equality.

Bully for you. 

So your point is: Im OK so they should stop bleating and just get on with it?

Sounds almost...toryesque.

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2 hours ago, maroonlegions said:

Should be more food banks in the weegie eh, all those in work but still in poverty, not working hard enough  eh,,all those kids going without and having a shite Xmas, never this governments fault though. 

 

Yeah, because Glasgow has only been a shitehole for 5 years right enough. 

 

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Governor Tarkin
3 hours ago, maroonlegions said:

Spoken like a true Tory. 

Since when have your parties polices every gave a feck about the poor.:vrface:

 

Ok i will bash on.

 

Dark money .... the greatest current threat to democracy. Money spent below the public radar, that seeks to change political outcomes. It enables very rich people and corporations to influence politics without showing their hands.

 

 

 

 

 

:kirk:

 

 

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So the London Crossrail project has a budget of £14.8 Billion and has already had £600 Million extra funding and another £350 Million loan and now, they may need as much as an additional £1 BILLION to get it operational. Plus it will probably be a year late.

 

Not seeing anyone from the BBC asking questions...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/09/crossrail-may-not-even-open-next-year-despite-mooted-extra-1bn

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

So the London Crossrail project has a budget of £14.8 Billion and has already had £600 Million extra funding and another £350 Million loan and now, they may need as much as an additional £1 BILLION to get it operational. Plus it will probably be a year late.

 

Not seeing anyone from the BBC asking questions...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/09/crossrail-may-not-even-open-next-year-despite-mooted-extra-1bn

 

 

 

And yet on the socialist scale - the AVERAGE employee in London transport now earns a staggering £83,000 per annum.

I'd be better off driving a Hornby set in London than being a Doctor/dentist/vet in Scotland

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20 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

And yet on the socialist scale - the AVERAGE employee in London transport now earns a staggering £83,000 per annum.

I'd be better off driving a Hornby set in London than being a Doctor/dentist/vet in Scotland

My brother in law is an electrical engineer in the London Underground. Bonkers money he's on!

 

I get house prices and travel is more expensive down there but everything else is the same price as up here (fuel, Sky TV, Tea bags, Gas, TV Licence and Bread)!

 

This 'Higher cost of living in London' is a loadapish IMO.

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5 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

So the London Crossrail project has a budget of £14.8 Billion and has already had £600 Million extra funding and another £350 Million loan and now, they may need as much as an additional £1 BILLION to get it operational. Plus it will probably be a year late.

 

Not seeing anyone from the BBC asking questions...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/09/crossrail-may-not-even-open-next-year-despite-mooted-extra-1bn

 

 

 

I stand corrected.

 

It's actually £2 BILLION in extra funding needed (& has been agreed). Scotland will cough up almost £1.7Bn  for this then!

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55 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

My brother in law is an electrical engineer in the London Underground. Bonkers money he's on!

 

I get house prices and travel is more expensive down there but everything else is the same price as up here (fuel, Sky TV, Tea bags, Gas, TV Licence and Bread)!

 

This 'Higher cost of living in London' is a loadapish IMO.

If they want to bring London House prices into line, bring wages into line.

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maroonlegions
4 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

No shame. 

Bit like his leader May, vote of no confidence coming for May surely.

 

 

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Just now, maroonlegions said:

Bit like his leader May, vote of no confidence coming for May surely.

Dont be even slightly surprised if there isnt. 

tories - No shame. 

Labour - No balls. 

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This is why Theresa May has pulled the plug on the vote tomorrow , simply because it would be a huge defeat for her, and she would almost certainly be expected  to step down, so she's pulled it to save her job, not in the national interest!  Coward.

 

 

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Has anyone else looked into the government's £4bn asylum seeker dispersal scheme procurement contracts story?     You'll need to search long and hard to find a better example of Tory Britain at it's worst.    

 

30,000 - 40,000 asylum seekers to be rehoused across the country to more 'fairly' spread the cost and demand on housing and services for local authorities.     They hand out £4bn worth of contracts to private sector procurement companies and then basically leave them to their own devices with insufficient scrutiny.     While all local authorities are signed up to the scheme in principle,   lo-and-behold,   the budgets for housing procurement of these companies has led to the vast majority of asylum seekers being housed in poor standard,  lowest cost,  cramped housing within the inner cities and hardest pressed authorities,    while none of them are being dispersed to the better off regions,  due to prohibitive cost... the councils predominately inhabited by Tory voters.     

 

Hand out vast sums of public money and operate a 'turn a blind eye' policy to the operations of contractors.    Facilitate the burden being placed on the poorest,  most densely populated areas and protect the party heartlands.

 

A morally bankrupt government,  on the home front this time.

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On 07/12/2018 at 09:25, doctor jambo said:

Did they?

Or were they informed years ago that they would have to work to the same ages as men, yet ignored it.

 

When I graduated my pensionable age was 55 ( in psychiatry of all things)

it is now 67.

I also lost all my child benefit AFTER I had 3 kids- so there is decades of state benefit removed at short notice.

 

I'm not weeping for the imposition of equality.

 

I am just jumping into this tread and so not wanting to stir it up but a have a genuine question.   

Is a person's pensionable age not different to their state pension qualifying age?

Is the pensionable age not relevant in relation to a private pension and the state pension is the government one?

I retired form the workforce at 55 in Australia, as that was my pensionable age, and was allowed to cash out my private pension.  I am now back in Scotland living permanently where my UK state pension age is now 66 due to the changes, a year later than originally expected.

Point being are the two not different here as well? 

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16 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Has anyone else looked into the government's £4bn asylum seeker dispersal scheme procurement contracts story?     You'll need to search long and hard to find a better example of Tory Britain at it's worst.    

 

30,000 - 40,000 asylum seekers to be rehoused across the country to more 'fairly' spread the cost and demand on housing and services for local authorities.     They hand out £4bn worth of contracts to private sector procurement companies and then basically leave them to their own devices with insufficient scrutiny.     While all local authorities are signed up to the scheme in principle,   lo-and-behold,   the budgets for housing procurement of these companies has led to the vast majority of asylum seekers being housed in poor standard,  lowest cost,  cramped housing within the inner cities and hardest pressed authorities,    while none of them are being dispersed to the better off regions,  due to prohibitive cost... the councils predominately inhabited by Tory voters.     

 

Hand out vast sums of public money and operate a 'turn a blind eye' policy to the operations of contractors.    Facilitate the burden being placed on the poorest,  most densely populated areas and protect the party heartlands.

 

A morally bankrupt government,  on the home front this time.

So the tories have a NIMBYism when it come s to folk fleeing from persecution whilst at the same time lining the pockets of the private sector?
Who'd av thunk it?

I suppose a small damp flat is better than running from UK built laser guided missiles though eh?

People actually voted these scumbags into power. I know! Incredulous!

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1 minute ago, Pans Jambo said:

So the tories have a NIMBYism when it come s to folk fleeing from persecution whilst at the same time lining the pockets of the private sector?
Who'd av thunk it?

I suppose a small damp flat is better than running from UK built laser guided missiles though eh?

People actually voted these scumbags into power. I know! Incredulous!

It's another example of this government's ideology of social and economic apartheid.     And consequently,   overtly racist in it's effect.

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Just now, Victorian said:

It's another example of this government's ideology of social and economic apartheid.     And consequently,   overtly racist in it's effect.

Wont ever be discussed on "this morning" though :(

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maroonlegions
4 hours ago, Victorian said:

It's another example of this government's ideology of social and economic apartheid.     And consequently,   overtly racist in it's effect.

Yip.

 

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Direct result of years of Tory under funding to pave the way for privatisation of the NHS.

 

All in it together, eh.

 

Brutal.

 

 

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Surely they would not  vote in her favour if a vote ever took place that is.

 

 

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28 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Sounds like Jeremy Hunt is doing a fine job in Yemen. Peace seems not far off. Credit were it's due.

 

Mind you,  anybody would put the tanks away,  just to get shot of that *****.

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35 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Mind you,  anybody would put the tanks away,  just to get shot of that *****.

Harsh, ?

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Corbyn getting it tight from the Tories for speaking the truth .:gok:

 

 

Mind you here are some facts about some of their own.

 

This why you should never trust the Tories.

 

1. When Tory Chancellor Philip Hammond clearly and undeniably called Andrea Jenkyns a "stupid woman" in parliament how quickly was it completely forgotten about by Tory MPs?

 

2. Did anyone see Tory MPs howling about sexism just last week when Theresa May welcomed an alleged rapist back into the Tory fold without the conclusion of a proper investigation into the allegations just because she was afraid of losing the internal Tory vote of no confidence in her leadership?

 

 

3. Did anyone see Tory MPs banging on about sexism last week when Theresa May also readmitted a vile Tory sex pest who bombarded female constituents with disgusting sex texts and stands accused of bullying a junior female member of staff?

 

4. Why do Tory MPs never complain when Theresa May grovels before misogynistic head-chopping tyrants from Saudi Arabia in order to flog them weapons to commit their war crimes in Yemen despite the fact they execute women's rights protesters, even when she welcomes them to Britain on International Women's Day?

 

 

5. Tory MPs all actively vote in favour of sexist austerity dogma that deliberately loads 86% of the economic pain onto women and even after it's pointed out to them they continue their "war on women" with another brazenly sexist budget designed to punish low-income women and single parents

 

 

6. Did anyone see any Tory MP express distaste at the outrageous sexist views of their Tory candidate for mayor of London Shaun Bailey or complaining when Theresa May backed their parliamentary candidate in Darlington last year despite a slew of sexist and homophobic posts on his personal blog?

 

7. Did anyone see Tories howling with outrage when the Tory MP Christopher Chope deliberately sabotaged the Upskirting Bill by talking for so long there was no time left to vote on it?

 

8. How many Tory MPs complained so loud when Theresa May made a vile extreme-right misogynistic Twitter troll famous by quoting him in parliament to score cheap political points against Jeremy Corbyn?

 

 

9. Where was the outpouring of Tory outrage when the misogynistic Tory MP Philip Davies tried to deliberately derail Domestic Violence legislation with an absurd 91 minute speech aimed at talking out the debate so the vote couldn't happen?

 

10. Where was the outpouring of Tory outrage when the then-Home Secretary Theresa May introduced brazenly sexist arbitrary income requirements for British citizens applying to bring their non-EU spouses to Britain?

 

So when all is said and done it sure looks like that we have a real bunch of utter liberty takers in power at the moment. 

 

Even the head of the EU got in the act too when she went with her begging Brexit change bowl recently. 

 

Seems Tories dont do IRONY.:gok:

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, maroonlegions said:

Corbyn getting it tight from the Tories for speaking the truth .:gok:

 

 

Mind you here are some facts about some of their own.

 

This why you should never trust the Tories.

 

1. When Tory Chancellor Philip Hammond clearly and undeniably called Andrea Jenkyns a "stupid woman" in parliament how quickly was it completely forgotten about by Tory MPs?

 

2. Did anyone see Tory MPs howling about sexism just last week when Theresa May welcomed an alleged rapist back into the Tory fold without the conclusion of a proper investigation into the allegations just because she was afraid of losing the internal Tory vote of no confidence in her leadership?

 

 

3. Did anyone see Tory MPs banging on about sexism last week when Theresa May also readmitted a vile Tory sex pest who bombarded female constituents with disgusting sex texts and stands accused of bullying a junior female member of staff?

 

4. Why do Tory MPs never complain when Theresa May grovels before misogynistic head-chopping tyrants from Saudi Arabia in order to flog them weapons to commit their war crimes in Yemen despite the fact they execute women's rights protesters, even when she welcomes them to Britain on International Women's Day?

 

 

5. Tory MPs all actively vote in favour of sexist austerity dogma that deliberately loads 86% of the economic pain onto women and even after it's pointed out to them they continue their "war on women" with another brazenly sexist budget designed to punish low-income women and single parents

 

 

6. Did anyone see any Tory MP express distaste at the outrageous sexist views of their Tory candidate for mayor of London Shaun Bailey or complaining when Theresa May backed their parliamentary candidate in Darlington last year despite a slew of sexist and homophobic posts on his personal blog?

 

7. Did anyone see Tories howling with outrage when the Tory MP Christopher Chope deliberately sabotaged the Upskirting Bill by talking for so long there was no time left to vote on it?

 

8. How many Tory MPs complained so loud when Theresa May made a vile extreme-right misogynistic Twitter troll famous by quoting him in parliament to score cheap political points against Jeremy Corbyn?

 

 

9. Where was the outpouring of Tory outrage when the misogynistic Tory MP Philip Davies tried to deliberately derail Domestic Violence legislation with an absurd 91 minute speech aimed at talking out the debate so the vote couldn't happen?

 

10. Where was the outpouring of Tory outrage when the then-Home Secretary Theresa May introduced brazenly sexist arbitrary income requirements for British citizens applying to bring their non-EU spouses to Britain?

 

So when all is said and done it sure looks like that we have a real bunch of utter liberty takers in power at the moment. 

 

Even the head of the EU got in the act too when she went with her begging Brexit change bowl recently. 

 

Seems Tories dont do IRONY.:gok:

 

 

 

Good post. 

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A Christmas Carol is 175 years old and we still haven't eradicated child poverty. It's actually getting worse under these Tory Muppets.

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3 hours ago, ri Alban said:

A Christmas Carol is 175 years old and we still haven't eradicated child poverty. It's actually getting worse under these Tory Muppets.

It is. & the muppets who follow them actually believe theres hardly any unemployment either. 

Paid work for more than 1 hour a week is regarded as “employed”.  1 hour a week! Theres how the figures look so good ( & poverty/foodbank use/homeless/etc is on the rise at the same time). 

Strong and stable though eh?

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1 hour ago, Victorian said:

Nut.    We need to concentrate on someone saying "stupid woman" in parliament to a stupid woman.     

It's almost as if the broadcasters and print media want to take all the attention off the tories and May. Perhaps they actually want Brexit to succeed and maintain the political status quo.

 

Dont look at these arseholes driving you off a cliff at 300mph! Look at what Corbyn mumbled!!! Thats the main issue here!!!

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6 hours ago, ri Alban said:

A Christmas Carol is 175 years old and we still haven't eradicated child poverty. It's actually getting worse under these Tory Muppets.

You never will either.

Even taking everything off the rich and dividing it amongst the poor wont work- they have tried it in other countries with disastrous consequences- leading to collapse in economies, starvation, hyper inflation and so on.

Wealth redistribution, once it gets past a certain point, does not work.

Not sure where that point is, though it should be noted that the  countries with the highest living standards tend to have very low taxation

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17 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

You never will either.

Even taking everything off the rich and dividing it amongst the poor wont work- they have tried it in other countries with disastrous consequences- leading to collapse in economies, starvation, hyper inflation and so on.

Wealth redistribution, once it gets past a certain point, does not work.

Not sure where that point is, though it should be noted that the  countries with the highest living standards tend to have very low taxation

Where did that happen?

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13 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Where did that happen?

Zimbabwe.

Russia

Cambodia

Venezuela

China

 

In all those places the poor thought they had it bad, the governments responded......and things got infinitely worse.

If you seized ALL the money and land etc in Scotland and gave everyone their equal share of it, I'm pretty certain child poverty would still exist, and would probably rise in a few years beyond its current level.

 

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Governor Tarkin
53 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

Not sure where that point is, though it should be noted that the  countries with the highest living standards tend to have very low taxation

 

Scandinavian countries being a notable exception.

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Just now, doctor jambo said:

Zimbabwe.

Russia

Cambodia

Venezuela

China

 

In all those places the poor thought they had it bad, the governments responded......and things got infinitely worse.

If you seized ALL the money and land etc in Scotland and gave everyone their equal share of it, I'm pretty certain child poverty would still exist, and would probably rise in a few years beyond its current level.

 

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Some crackers in there Doc.

How about this for wealth distribution:

Chairmen, CEO's and top directors of corporations take a 50% pay cut from their millions of pounds per year pay packet and use that to raise the salaries of their lowest paid staff.

They then pay the tax they REALLY should be paying to the treasury. Not the legal tax avoidance nonsense but the REAL tax they should be paying.

The UK government brings into legislation the living wage and increases it every year by inflation and no more zero hours contracts.

Employment should be counted as a minimum of 4 hours paid work per day (not the 1 hour per week pish they currently count).

More people paid more = bigger tax take and more spending.

Fairly sure theres a few more steps that could redistribute the wealth 

Maybe then the government could pay more than the paltry £73K a year you earn and pay you more (I actually believe Doctors/nurses etc should actually be paid more anyway). They could then invest in infrastructure to create more jobs/more wealth/more tax take/less poor.

 

You mentioned Scottish land, almost 18% (1.5Million Hectares) of land in Scotland is kept in a non-productive state for shooting grouse with only 2640 jobs and an income of around £32M . Sure something better could be done there. 

Forestry, Onshore Wind, Sustainable Tourism, Agriculture, Livestock farming, Fish Farming, Horticulture, Renewable energy (Biomass), Re-population/housing, solar AND Grouse shooting.

 

Wealth redistribution just needs the will and some thought, doesnt mean turning into Cambodia.

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