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And here is another reason why the right wing media and Tories fear Corbyn.

 

Theresa May's £50 million grammar school funding farce.

Can you guess how many of the schools are in the home counties?
 

Can you guess how many are in Tory constituencies?

 

Remember she said , NO money for Schools, nurses or teachers, or just about anyone either than her chosen few well off.

 

 

 

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maroonlegions

And the plot thickens regarding this odious lying creature ;

 

 

We need the full facts! Not an edited version. What is she hiding?

 

This is one of those occasions when a leak could be justified.

 

The UK government has published an overview of the legal advice it received on Theresa May's Brexit deal.

 

Ministers are under pressure from all parties to publish the full advice, with Labour warning of a "constitutional crisis".

 

The PM says the advice is confidential, but some MPs think ministers do not want to admit it says the UK could be indefinitely tied to EU customs rules.

 

Attorney General Geoffrey Cox is making a a Commons statement on it.

 

Sam Gyimah, who quit the government on Friday, said releasing the full advice was "key to restoring trust in politics".

 





 


 

 
 
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Nasty, nasty , horrible man.

 

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I mean who does he think he is??
 
Of course the Tories /May promised MORE social housing. 
 
Were is it??
 
 
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14 minutes ago, maroonlegions said:

Nasty, nasty , horrible man.

 

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I mean who does he think he is??
 
Of course the Tories /May promised MORE social housing. 
 
Were is it??
 
 

 

What makes you believe he will keep his promises, or be able to achieve them. 

 

Until he is in power, he can promise anything he likes but it proves nothing. 

 

No?

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4 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

What makes you believe he will keep his promises, or be able to achieve them. 

 

Until he is in power, he can promise anything he likes but it proves nothing. 

 

No?

 

When the Tories blatantly and repeatedly lie in their manifestos and follow through on nothing all you hear is "yeah, that's politicians for you, what do you expect?" and they still get voted in.

 

I fail to see how Corbyn's word has less credibility than the proven, serial liars in government. 

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48 minutes ago, maroonlegions said:

Nasty, nasty , horrible man.

 

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I mean who does he think he is??
 
Of course the Tories /May promised MORE social housing. 
 
Were is it??
 
 

He can't do it, it's a pipe dream.

most homeless in my neck of the woods are chaotic addicts, dealers who breached their tenancy, just out of prison, or ASBO neighbours no one wants.

there are few/no ok folk in the hostels,

few in temp furnished accommodations . 

You could give most their own flats, but it's a bit unfair on the folk living there already

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17 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

He can't do it, it's a pipe dream.

most homeless in my neck of the woods are chaotic addicts, dealers who breached their tenancy, just out of prison, or ASBO neighbours no one wants.

there are few/no ok folk in the hostels,

few in temp furnished accommodations . 

You could give most their own flats, but it's a bit unfair on the folk living there already

 

When in opposition you never ever have to deliver on these promises. Corbyn and his Marxists chums know this and are using it to their benefit. Of course if ever question on how it would be delivered and paid for they'll roll out abacus Abbott because she'll get the deal of the century!

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49 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

When in opposition you never ever have to deliver on these promises. Corbyn and his Marxists chums know this and are using it to their benefit. Of course if ever question on how it would be delivered and paid for they'll roll out abacus Abbott because she'll get the deal of the century!

 

Desperate , desperate tories on here, in denial and blame shifting , they know their time is up soon.

 

Never admitting that it is the direct result of Tory polices (austerity cuts, welfare cuts), that have shot up homelessness  figures , even the UN have said it.

 

So telling lies about what you will do if elected is the cop out now.

 

ALL IN IT TOGETHER, remember that Tory slogan.

 

This present junta of corporate  elite serving gangsters have under their austerity cover blanket have made those in work poorer.

 

 

Four million British workers live in poverty, charity says

THEGUARDIAN.COM
 

'A Labour government will restore legal aid for people appealing against cuts to benefits such as universal credit, the shadow justice secretary, Richard Burgon, is to announce.

 

Those seeking to challenge decisions by the Department for Work and Pensions on welfare payments, many of which are incorrect, will be able to obtain legal advice to help them pursue appeals, Labour is pledging.

 

Burgon argues that restoring such financial support would encourage the DWP to get decisions right first time, thereby reducing costs for the Ministry of Justice.

 

More than two-thirds of appeals against DWP decisions on personal independence payments (Pips) and employment support allowance (ESA) are successful, says Labour, adding that those decisions have affected thousands of vulnerable people with illnesses, disabilities or in poor health.'

 

So the desperate Tories are cumming up with their new weapon, the cant or will not keep promises  like the above.  The  Tory "cop outs" are now reaching desperation levels.

 

 

 

Oh and i knew something was up when Tories were showing up at food banks, it reeks of desperation.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, maroonlegions said:

 

 

Four million British workers live in poverty, charity says

THEGUARDIAN.COM
 

'A Labour government will restore legal aid for people appealing against cuts to benefits such as universal credit, the shadow justice secretary, Richard Burgon, is to announce.

 

Those seeking to challenge decisions by the Department for Work and Pensions on welfare payments, many of which are incorrect, will be able to obtain legal advice to help them pursue appeals, Labour is pledging.

 

Burgon argues that restoring such financial support would encourage the DWP to get decisions right first time, thereby reducing costs for the Ministry of Justice.

 

More than two-thirds of appeals against DWP decisions on personal independence payments (Pips) and employment support allowance (ESA) are successful, says Labour, adding that those decisions have affected thousands of vulnerable people with illnesses, disabilities or in poor health.'

 

 

 

 

 

 

it's probably just badly worded but why would Labour be cutting benefits such as universal credit?

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How much is a passport today.

 

Sure the poor can afford one??

 

How about the very old or say those with a disability??

 

Do the poor and those very old who are poor and also those who are poor with a disability  ever vote Tory?? 

 

Nice sneaky way of making sure  that those in that list cant vote against them.

 

The public must  stand up against a Government that is determined to make it harder for people to vote.

 

People fought for the right to vote and it must be defended.

 

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THEGUARDIAN.COM
 

The government argues that the change is needed to prevent voter impersonation, but critics say it is an excessive deterrent to tackle a tiny problem, and disproportionately affects more vulnerable people such as older or poorer voters, or those with a disability.

 

 

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59 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

it's probably just badly worded but why would Labour be cutting benefits such as universal credit?

The difficulty is always balancing the books.

Taxation is higher than it ever has been, the tax take is at record high levels, the tax bands are creeping up and more and more people are now in ever higher bands.

THe trouble is the spiralling cost of keeping the elderly- social care, health care especially.

Nobody has really come up with a viable way of countering that. Labour would increase tax and spend- but you would need to keep doing this year on year on year merely to keep level with increased spending.

This labour is financially incontinent, you can only squeeze so much out of a working population to keep above water.

Costs have to be brought down from somewhere.

But from where?

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Tories on here defending, spinning and  using cop outs  at the utter misery this Government has inflicted on millions of hard working people and the poor and those with disabilities is fecking breathtaking. 

 

Those doing  so must be benefiting from such Tory draconian polices, has to be. 

 

Make it legal for 16 year olds to vote and lets see what that outcome has at the next general election, no chance the selfservatives cry. 

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14 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

The difficulty is always balancing the books.

Taxation is higher than it ever has been, the tax take is at record high levels, the tax bands are creeping up and more and more people are now in ever higher bands.

THe trouble is the spiralling cost of keeping the elderly- social care, health care especially.

Nobody has really come up with a viable way of countering that. Labour would increase tax and spend- but you would need to keep doing this year on year on year merely to keep level with increased spending.

This labour is financially incontinent, you can only squeeze so much out of a working population to keep above water.

Costs have to be brought down from somewhere.

But from where?

 Tax the tax avoiders like Amazon, Boots and the like and the very high earners.

 

Peoples care in older life should be taken care off, tax the really well off and those companies that have and are avoiding paying UK tax.

 

You paint a tory cop out, never enough money to help the poor and less well off but enough to bribe the DUP by £1 billion. :cornette:

 

Were is the magic money tree i hear you cry. LOL>

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Just now, maroonlegions said:

 Tax the tax avoiders like Amazon, Boots and the like and the very high earners.

 

Peoples care in older life should be taken care off, tax the really well off and those companies that have and are avoiding paying UK tax.

 

You paint a tory cop out, never enough money to help the poor and less well off but enough to bribe the DUP by £1 billion. :cornette:

I'd have given the DUP nothing. I'd have threatened them with Tory candidates standing in NI.

And its not a cop out.

When people expect anything for "free" the demand is limitless. You could double NHS spending, social work spending and benefits and pensions spending and in a year you would need to find even more money.

Even if you could rake £50 billion a year from the well off and big companies EVERY year, it would soon be gone.

It would take many billions per annum merely to restore the pay of nurses/ dr's and midwives/ the police/ fireservice/ social workers back to what it was living standards wise 10 years ago.

And that's without buying a single fake hip.

 I could accept if labour said- "we need £80 billion extra per year- and this is where its coming from"- but they cannot- mainly because it doesn't exist beyond the world of memes

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Here you go, here is  the Tory concept of  their ALL IN TOGETHER "bullshit they sold.

 

Snakes, liars and gangsters are riff within this present infighting shambles of a government.

 

Utter vile individuals , truely insidious polices.

 

 

'Headteachers and campaigners for children with special educational needs and disabilities (SEND) have reacted with fury to a government announcement that 16 grammar schools are to split a £50m bonus to create new school places.

 

Making the announcement on Monday, the education secretary, Damian Hinds, said the 16 schools chosen to receive the additional funding out of 39 applications had been given permission to expand after setting out clear actions to prioritise access for ...

 

Making the announcement on Monday, the education secretary, Damian Hinds, said the 16 schools chosen to receive the additional funding out of 39 applications had been given permission to expand after setting out clear actions to prioritise access for disadvantaged children.

 

The shadow education secretary, Angela Rayner, said: “Today’s announcement is a stark reminder that the Conservatives have nothing to offer the overwhelming majority of schools apart from more cuts.

 

“At a time when the chancellor promises only ‘little extras’ for almost every school, the government are handing out millions to a handful of cherry-picked grammar schools which will do nothing for almost every child in the country.”'

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

I'd have given the DUP nothing. I'd have threatened them with Tory candidates standing in NI.

And its not a cop out.

When people expect anything for "free" the demand is limitless. You could double NHS spending, social work spending and benefits and pensions spending and in a year you would need to find even more money.

Even if you could rake £50 billion a year from the well off and big companies EVERY year, it would soon be gone.

It would take many billions per annum merely to restore the pay of nurses/ dr's and midwives/ the police/ fireservice/ social workers back to what it was living standards wise 10 years ago.

And that's without buying a single fake hip.

 I could accept if labour said- "we need £80 billion extra per year- and this is where its coming from"- but they cannot- mainly because it doesn't exist beyond the world of memes

 

:facepalm::vrface::wtfvlad:

 

 

 

 

Utter cop out, pure desperation. 

 

Pity those UK tax avoidance companies have not been made to pay BACK all those billions over the years eh, there is your magic money tree, that would be some meme eh, a meme beyond your world of Tory accounts. :lol:

 

She found £1 billion  to bribe the DUP, after saying there is feck all, there is no magic money tree. You are making shit up mate, sad, memes or not you cannot be serious and defend this governments record, breath taking arrogance and one full of made up shite.

 

Waffle, after waffle, like Mays pages of her  Brexit .

 

There is no way you are not a Tory troll making it up as you go along, bit like that insidious leader of yours.:gok:

 

 

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5 minutes ago, maroonlegions said:

Here you go, here is  the Tory concept of  their ALL IN TOGETHER "bullshit they sold.

 

Snakes, liars and gangsters are riff within this present infighting shambles of a government.

 

Utter vile individuals , truely insidious polices.

 

 

'Headteachers and campaigners for children with special educational needs and disabilities (SEND) have reacted with fury to a government announcement that 16 grammar schools are to split a £50m bonus to create new school places.

 

Making the announcement on Monday, the education secretary, Damian Hinds, said the 16 schools chosen to receive the additional funding out of 39 applications had been given permission to expand after setting out clear actions to prioritise access for ...

 

Making the announcement on Monday, the education secretary, Damian Hinds, said the 16 schools chosen to receive the additional funding out of 39 applications had been given permission to expand after setting out clear actions to prioritise access for disadvantaged children.

 

The shadow education secretary, Angela Rayner, said: “Today’s announcement is a stark reminder that the Conservatives have nothing to offer the overwhelming majority of schools apart from more cuts.

 

“At a time when the chancellor promises only ‘little extras’ for almost every school, the government are handing out millions to a handful of cherry-picked grammar schools which will do nothing for almost every child in the country.”'

 

 

 

So , really good schools are given extra money to increase their accessibility to disadvantaged youngsters ......and that is a bad thing?

You would rather all kids had a bad education than poor, bright kids got a really good education?

Study after study has shown that the BIGGEST factor in educational achievement was ........even above private education was.......... parental attitude .

At my kids schools the rich parents who don't put in the effort- their kids do not very well.

The poorer parents who are really engaged with their kids education- the kids do really well .

The private schools facilities are not much different ( frequently worse)

The teachers are drawn from the same Colleges and often from the state sector.

Class sizes are not much different.

Yet they do so much better.

I suspect its mainly because the private schools are full of kids who give a shit, with parents who give a shit.

if you are less well off with a good, hard working kid- you should have access to  a school full of likeminded kids if you so choose.

Scotland should have Grammar schools back.

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, maroonlegions said:

 

:facepalm::vrface::wtfvlad:

 

 

 

 

Utter cop out, pure desperation. 

 

Pity those UK tax avoidance companies have not been made to pay BACK all those billions over the years eh, there is your magic money tree, that would be some meme eh, a meme beyond your world of Tory accounts. :lol:

 

She found £1 billion  to bribe the DUP, after saying there is feck all, there is no magic money tree. You are making shit up mate, sad, memes or not you cannot be serious and defend this governments record, breath taking arrogance and one full of made up shite.

 

Waffle, after waffle, like Mays pages of here  Brexit .

 

There is no way you are not a Tory troll making it up as you go along, bit like that insidious leader of yours.:gok:

 

 

I'm not a Tory.

But I am also not a fantasy socialist who believes that a few large companies can be whacked for endless billions year on year on year to cover endless and limitless rise in expenditure

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So , really good schools are given extra money to increase their accessibility to disadvantaged youngsters ......and that is a bad thing?

You would rather all kids had a bad education than poor, bright kids got a really good education?

Study after study has shown that the BIGGEST factor in educational achievement was ........even above private education was.......... parental attitude .

At my kids schools the rich parents who don't put in the effort- their kids do not very well.

The poorer parents who are really engaged with their kids education- the kids do really well .

The private schools facilities are not much different ( frequently worse)

The teachers are drawn from the same Colleges and often from the state sector.

Class sizes are not much different.

Yet they do so much better.

I suspect its mainly because the private schools are full of kids who give a shit, with parents who give a shit.

if you are less well off with a good, hard working kid- you should have access to  a school full of likeminded kids if you so choose.

Scotland should have Grammar schools back.

 

 

 

No, Scotland should have it's own language back. 

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5 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

No, Scotland should have it's own language back. 

Pictish?

Saying as Gaelic was Irish.....

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1 minute ago, doctor jambo said:

Pictish?

Saying as Gaelic was Irish.....

Scots! England can go back to speaking French.

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2 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Why do you not speak Scots on here?

Because as a nationalist, he is focussed on a single part of his countries history that he wants to live in.

ie- after the pagans/ Picts/Vikings/gaels/romans/anglo Saxons/Irish

 

but before the English, though not really as Scots is a dialect, not a language.

He is after the Land'O Burns language, but with the best bits of Braveheart thrown in (but not the language nor religion) but definitely the Freedom bit, just not sure free from whom, and the land restored to its original owners, though not any of the owners who  were dispossessed before that bit.

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More humanity and decency  in this mans pinky than the whole of the Tory millionaire  cabinet put together.

 

Tyson Fury to donate entire £8m purse to the homeless after incredible Deontay Wilder fight!

 

When interviewed recently he said:

 

“I don’t really have much use for it, I’m not interested in becoming a millionaire or a billionaire.

 

I’m a boxer not a businessman and I’ll probably go down the same route as every other boxer skint at the end of it all, You can’t take it with you so I might as well do something with it and help out people who can’t help themselves.

 

I’m going to give it to the poor and I’m going to build homes for the homeless."

 

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Its not about the politics, its all about the person you are and just how much you give a feck.
 
Never let a Tory or anyone for that matter  spin the lie that there is never enough to go around, those  that hord billions in off shore accounts, tax evasion  and avoidance and those who defend them are real enemies of humanity.
 
 
 
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19 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

Because as a nationalist, he is focussed on a single part of his countries history that he wants to live in.

ie- after the pagans/ Picts/Vikings/gaels/romans/anglo Saxons/Irish

 

but before the English, though not really as Scots is a dialect, not a language.

He is after the Land'O Burns language, but with the best bits of Braveheart thrown in (but not the language nor religion) but definitely the Freedom bit, just not sure free from whom, and the land restored to its original owners, though not any of the owners who  were dispossessed before that bit.

More utter waffle.

 

 Rule Britannia dear chap.

 

Nothing wrong in being patriotic or having ones country at the heart of your concern. One bit of history or not.  

 

The biggest threat to the Scots going their own way is this present government. How ironic is it that any possible independence for Scotland could come about by the actions and polices of this present Tory junta.

 

You would do well to curb your slandering of him, it could very well come back and bit yer arse one day and maybe even in our life time. If the Tories win the next election ???????

 

There was a surge in the SNP vote for a reason, nothing to do with it being a "rouge" or lucky outcome. That in its self should be a stark  warning to those who treat SNP voters as nothing  more than a joke.

 

Once again your arrogance  shines through in your above quoted post.

 

Why was Robert Burns never knighted or became a  sir, his "mans inhumanity  to man "probably killed it eh.

 

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11 minutes ago, maroonlegions said:

More humanity and decency  in this mans pinky than the whole of the Tory millionaire  cabinet put together.

 

Tyson Fury to donate entire £8m purse to the homeless after incredible Deontay Wilder fight!

 

When interviewed recently he said:

 

“I don’t really have much use for it, I’m not interested in becoming a millionaire or a billionaire.

 

I’m a boxer not a businessman and I’ll probably go down the same route as every other boxer skint at the end of it all, You can’t take it with you so I might as well do something with it and help out people who can’t help themselves.

 

I’m going to give it to the poor and I’m going to build homes for the homeless."

 

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Its not about the politics, its all about the person you are and just how much you give a feck.
 
Never let a Tory or anyone for that matter  spin the lie that there is never enough to go around, those  that hord billions in off shore accounts, tax evasion  and avoidance and those who defend them are real enemies of humanity.
 
 
 

I guess that's homes, as long as your not gay- because he doesn't like them.

Great guy right enough, apart from the drugs, the infidelity and the homophobia.

 

And good on him for giving away his £8million, as long as he doesn't use it as a tax write off and gives the whole amount after tax and NI is deducted to pay for social care/NHS/benefits and pensions, which would leave him with a net donation of £4.4 million.

Or if he was registered in Scotland £4.3 million to build homes.

Or post Corbyn victory less than £4 million out his "purse"

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Tories are utter desperate.

 

 

 

Farcical Scenes As Conservatives 'Filibuster' In Parliament To Buy Time For Contempt Response Over Brexit Legal Advice.

 

In an apparent attempt to ‘filibuster’, Alan Duncan talked about steam engines and Scottish inventors, praised the “greatest drummer in the House of Commons” and offered an extended explanation on the founding of the Chilean navy.


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Ask any charities  like Shelter and Child poverty charities,.

 

A meme yes ,but for those  Tories NOT working with, or directly  involved with such charity action groups, this meme is beyond your reality or even your grasp  or conception of just how this present governments direct polices have created such misery.

 

Remember folks  that Tory  beauty  that we are "ALL IN IT TOGETHER".

 

LIES, nothing more or nothing less.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, maroonlegions said:

Ask any charities  like Shelter and Child poverty charities,.

 

A meme yes ,but for those  Tories NOT working with, or directly  involved with such charity action groups, this meme is beyond your reality or even your grasp  or conception of just how this present governments direct polices have created such misery.

 

Remember folks  that Tory  beauty  that we are "ALL IN IT TOGETHER".

 

LIES, nothing more or nothing less.

 

 

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Orrrrrrr the last Labour government spent soooooo much money that when the crisis hit they left a note saying we were utterly broke and now people are paying the price for such fiscal profligacy?

There is pain over here, no doubt there is, of course there is. And for what its worth I DONT think the benefit cuts are OK, or even defensible.

BUT until a party, any party, finds a solution to the elderly "issue" then the burden is going to fall on someone.

IN the public sector we have endured the equivalent of a 20% pay cut so we've done our bit.

You'll never catch the rich- the proper rich.

So who is left?

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1 hour ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Why do you not speak Scots on here?

 

1 hour ago, doctor jambo said:

Because as a nationalist, he is focussed on a single part of his countries history that he wants to live in.

ie- after the pagans/ Picts/Vikings/gaels/romans/anglo Saxons/Irish

 

but before the English, though not really as Scots is a dialect, not a language.

He is after the Land'O Burns language, but with the best bits of Braveheart thrown in (but not the language nor religion) but definitely the Freedom bit, just not sure free from whom, and the land restored to its original owners, though not any of the owners who  were dispossessed before that bit.

You don't half talk shite.  Are you still dealing drugs for the pharmaceutical companies.

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52 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

 

You don't half talk shite.  Are you still dealing drugs for the pharmaceutical companies.

:gok:

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Chris Grayling.      My word what a ****ing arsehole.        

Yip , another Tory embarrassment . 

 

 

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1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

 

You don't half talk shite.  Are you still dealing drugs for the pharmaceutical companies.

 

He’s nailed you, you dirty bigot. ?

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6 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

The difficulty is always balancing the books.

Taxation is higher than it ever has been, the tax take is at record high levels, the tax bands are creeping up and more and more people are now in ever higher bands.

THe trouble is the spiralling cost of keeping the elderly- social care, health care especially.

Nobody has really come up with a viable way of countering that. Labour would increase tax and spend- but you would need to keep doing this year on year on year merely to keep level with increased spending.

This labour is financially incontinent, you can only squeeze so much out of a working population to keep above water.

Costs have to be brought down from somewhere.

But from where?

Have you ever heard of Modern Monetary Theory? I hadn’t either until about 6 months ago but it’s a fascinating subject about how governments don’t have to budget like say households for instance. We’ve been led to believe that governments need to balance books like we do in our own lives and basically it’s not true. 

You can’t run out of your own money. Austerity was and is a choice. 

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11 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Have you ever heard of Modern Monetary Theory? I hadn’t either until about 6 months ago but it’s a fascinating subject about how governments don’t have to budget like say households for instance. We’ve been led to believe that governments need to balance books like we do in our own lives and basically it’s not true. 

You can’t run out of your own money. Austerity was and is a choice. 

Basically, there's a magic money tree.

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5 minutes ago, Smithee said:

Basically, there's a magic money tree.

Not sure I’d say magic money tree but deficits etc are not really what they tell us they are.

This balancing the books nonsense we’re fed isn’t true. 

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5 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Not sure I’d say magic money tree but deficits etc are not really what they tell us they are.

This balancing the books nonsense we’re fed isn’t true. 

 

I'd say it works, isn't it basically that a government with its own currency can create whatever money it wants to pay for whatever it wants to do, domestically at least?

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7 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

I'd say it works, isn't it basically that a government with its own currency can create whatever money it wants to pay for whatever it wants to do, domestically at least?

That leads to inflation, and hyper inflation if they do it too much.

 

UK Govt fired up the printing presses to bail out the banks. 

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4 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

I'd say it works, isn't it basically that a government with its own currency can create whatever money it wants to pay for whatever it wants to do, domestically at least?

In a nutshell yeah. I’m not fully understanding of it but I watch the odd video etc when I’ve got time. It can confuse me a bit but in general a deficit/surplus isn’t actually the terrible/desirable thing they tell you it is. Britain CANNOT run out of money and neither can any country that has its own currency. Austerity etc is a choice. 

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Just now, Cade said:

That leads to inflation, and hyper inflation if they do it too much.

 

UK Govt fired up the printing presses to bail out the banks. 

No it doesn’t. This is the mistruth apparently. If that was the case Japan would have hyper inflation. 

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2 minutes ago, Cade said:

That leads to inflation, and hyper inflation if they do it too much.

 

UK Govt fired up the printing presses to bail out the banks. 

Being for Indy you should read up on it??

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9 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Have you ever heard of Modern Monetary Theory? I hadn’t either until about 6 months ago but it’s a fascinating subject about how governments don’t have to budget like say households for instance. We’ve been led to believe that governments need to balance books like we do in our own lives and basically it’s not true. 

You can’t run out of your own money. Austerity was and is a choice. 

 

:clap: :clap: :clap: 

 

In some respects, the concept of money itself is a scam. It's not worth anything; it's an IOU. "I promise to pay the bearer the sum of..."

 

But 'sound money' is an even bigger scam. It's complete nonsense - which only became en vogue in the last 40 years. For hundreds of years before that, sovereign states spent what they wanted. And now, observe: the same people (the same politicians, the same journalists, the same commenters on here) who support Brexit because it'll "give us back our sovereignty" then instantly say "but Corbyn would wreck the economy because he'll spend money!" All the while ignoring that we've never lost our sovereignty, because we've never been part of the single currency. 

 

"Running a country is like running a household budget"? Few parties have ever been as skilled as the Tories at putting together simple slogans repeated ad infinitum which brainwash extraordinary numbers of people. "We have to live within our means". "Labour crashed the economy". "Labour ran out of money". "Welfare is a lifestyle choice". "Strivers and skivers". "Let's take back control". All of it is bollocks. All of it. 

 

Why is running a country absolutely not like running a household budget? Because unlike a household, when a country cuts spending, its income will fall too. If a country doesn't invest in technology, in modern materials and equipment, its productivity will fall. Lots of people probably imagine that "low productivity" means "lazy workers". It doesn't; not a bit of it. Productivity's been a massive problem in the UK for decades - and the reason is because we don't invest in the future, and we don't stay up to date with modern methods. 

 

After the Second World War, Britain was bankrupt. We had to go crawling on our hands and knees to Washington for a huge loan: John Maynard Keynes' last great service to his country. Yet despite being bankrupt, what did we do? We only went and created the entire welfare state and built homes galore: laying the foundations for a whole generation of prosperity. Well, that's funny - how did we do that? Answer: we spent to invest and we spent to grow. Economies do not grow sustainably without regular, substantial investment. And as sustainable growth increases a country's income, the tax take goes up, more money is available to spend, and it's a virtuous cycle.

 

Running a country, in fact, is a lot more like running a very large, modern business - and I can't help but wonder if all those who come out with shite such as "we've maxed out the credit card!" themselves borrowed to start and grow their own business, and themselves took out a mortgage. Strange how it's OK for them, but it's not OK for anyone else, isn't it?

 

Monetarism, sound money, neoliberalism? It's a massive con perpetrated on the people, which funnels wealth upwards - and combined with austerity, also destroys the supply side of the economy. It's quite astonishing that anyone would keep voting for more of the same - that anyone would keep voting to drink out of the same toilet bowl day in, day out - but that's the thing about humans. Goldfish learn more quickly.

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3 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

:clap: :clap: :clap: 

 

In some respects, the concept of money itself is a scam. It's not worth anything; it's an IOU. "I promise to pay the bearer the sum of..."

 

But 'sound money' is an even bigger scam. It's complete nonsense - which only became en vogue in the last 40 years. For hundreds of years before that, sovereign states spent what they wanted. And now, observe: the same people (the same politicians, the same journalists, the same commenters on here) who support Brexit because it'll "give us back our sovereignty" then instantly say "but Corbyn would wreck the economy because he'll spend money!" All the while ignoring that we've never lost our sovereignty, because we've never been part of the single currency. 

 

"Running a country is like running a household budget"? Few parties have ever been as skilled as the Tories at putting together simple slogans repeated ad infinitum which brainwash extraordinary numbers of people. "We have to live within our means". "Labour crashed the economy". "Labour ran out of money". "Welfare is a lifestyle choice". "Strivers and skivers". "Let's take back control". All of it is bollocks. All of it. 

 

Why is running a country absolutely not like running a household budget? Because unlike a household, when a country cuts spending, its income will fall too. If a country doesn't invest in technology, in modern materials and equipment, its productivity will fall. Lots of people probably imagine that "low productivity" means "lazy workers". It doesn't; not a bit of it. Productivity's been a massive problem in the UK for decades - and the reason is because we don't invest in the future, and we don't stay up to date with modern methods. 

 

After the Second World War, Britain was bankrupt. We had to go crawling on our hands and knees to Washington for a huge loan: John Maynard Keynes' last great service to his country. Yet despite being bankrupt, what did we do? We only went and created the entire welfare state and built homes galore: laying the foundations for a whole generation of prosperity. Well, that's funny - how did we do that? Answer: we spent to invest and we spent to grow. Economies do not grow sustainably without regular, substantial investment. And as sustainable growth increases a country's income, the tax take goes up, more money is available to spend, and it's a virtuous cycle.

 

Running a country, in fact, is a lot more like running a very large, modern business - and I can't help but wonder if all those who come out with shite such as "we've maxed out the credit card!" themselves borrowed to start and grow their own business, and themselves took out a mortgage. Strange how it's OK for them, but it's not OK for anyone else, isn't it?

 

Monetarism, sound money, neoliberalism? It's a massive con perpetrated on the people, which funnels wealth upwards - and combined with austerity, also destroys the supply side of the economy. It's quite astonishing that anyone would keep voting for more of the same - that anyone would keep voting to drink out of the same toilet bowl day in, day out - but that's the thing about humans. Goldfish learn more quickly.

The Tory is the master of mind control slogans. 

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11 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

No doubt someone will be along to say this is not the tories fault...

 

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Yep. Even in Uruguay, it's 50%.

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