aussieh Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 A wee poll says 52.5% of Scotland's electorate would rather be part of an Independent Scotland either inside or outside of the EU, than be part of a Brexit UK. Mintit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 A wee poll says 52.5% of Scotland's electorate would rather be part of an Independent Scotland either inside or outside of the EU, than be part of a Brexit UK. Mintit Polls are a lot of shite and have been for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Polls are a lot of shite and have been for a while. Top of Group E with three wins and a draw so far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab87 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Thing is, there is not a referendum tomorrow, and there will not be for at least two years from now. Things can change vastly between then and now, for both sides of the argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say What Again Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Any news on the Independence sub forum yet, Mods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig_ Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Top of Group E with three wins and a draw so far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted February 16, 2017 Author Share Posted February 16, 2017 Source?Wings46% overall Also Indy is now 2/5 favourite with the bookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say What Again Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Also Indy is now 2/5 favourite with the bookies. It's also 4/6 there will be no referendum before 2020, so the current 52% doesn't mean all that much. I voted Yes btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Polls predicted no to Brexit, Clinton to be President etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted February 16, 2017 Author Share Posted February 16, 2017 I look forward to unionist infested Question Time in Glasgow tonight. Should be a treat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I agree. Polls are crap. Tick Tock though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted February 16, 2017 Author Share Posted February 16, 2017 Polls predicted no to Brexit, Clinton to be President etc..Yes they are crap, but if the other mob can use them... They also missed the SNP landslide in 2015. They should've just called a UDI then and there. That was indyref2 and Scotland voting Yes, but they missed it completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regal Kingston Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Easy to say now. Wait till its announced and we are months into the campaign. The majority of newspapers will start the scaremongering and Gordon Broon will be wheeled out again. They might not actually give a **** this time though now the price in oil has dropped We had our chance and we shat it. On such a big decision (likewise Brexit) it really should be 60% before a change is enforced. Until we get those kind of figures its best just waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Well worth a new thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Wings 46% overall Also Indy is now 2/5 favourite with the bookies. I can't find it, unless you mean the football supporters one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Nationalists really using their brains again, happy to leave Scotland's biggest market over a decision to leave a secondary market.... More idiotic economics from the pro-indy's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 A wee poll says 52.5% of Scotland's electorate would rather be part of an Independent Scotland either inside or outside of the EU, than be part of a Brexit UK. Mintit So the pant wetting nationalists that are crying about Brexit are now saying that Brexit is OK if you call it Sexit? It really is hard to measure stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Nationalists really using their brains again, happy to leave Scotland's biggest market over a decision to leave a secondary market.... More idiotic economics from the pro-indy's. The single market is over ten times the size of the rUK market. Should we simply abandon that? Especially given our economy's reliance on the financial sector? Economies change, if we remain in the UK and out of the single market, there will be consequences. If we leave rUK and retain single market membership , there will be consequences. Either way, there are consequences. Which offers a better future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 An addendum to my post above. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/15/opinion/theresa-mays-empire-of-the-mind.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 It's also 4/6 there will be no referendum before 2020, so the current 52% doesn't mean all that much. I voted Yes btw. Is it really 52% wil vote yes now? Or is it a different question. If it's the former then Nicola will have no choice but to call a Ref asap. But she won't. Bring it on. Tick tock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaths17 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 The single market is over ten times the size of the rUK market. Should we simply abandon that? Especially given our economy's reliance on the financial sector? Economies change, if we remain in the UK and out of the single market, there will be consequences. If we leave rUK and retain single market membership , there will be consequences. Either way, there are consequences. Which offers a better future? leaving 80% of your trade market, with the option to negotiate new trade deals, and trying to expand the 20% else where, with EU trade restrictions, I would think are totally different cases. throw in the fact that, the UK(London/westminster) has bailed us out for the tumbling price of our biggest asset(black gold) and only a brain dead separatist would see independence as a viable option. the next compromising begging bowl we scots will have to go crawling to Westminster with might have a lot worse consiquences than our previous capitulating act of union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Nationalists really using their brains again, happy to leave Scotland's biggest market over a decision to leave a secondary market.... More idiotic economics from the pro-indy's. I think you will find that Scotland voted to remain in one trading market (UK) so it could remain in the other (EU)...Which was followed by it voting to remain in one (EU) but then being dragged out of it by rUK which was a key referendum statement (to stay in the EU you must stay in the UK - yet another lie). The rUK wants to leave its biggest trading partner and that doesn't seem to be an issue with the unionists but when there's any suggestion that Scots want to move on then they are 'not really using their brains again'. Hypocrisy is OK if you're into the UK it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 leaving 80% of your trade market, with the option to negotiate new trade deals, and trying to expand the 20% else where, with EU trade restrictions, I would think are totally different cases. throw in the fact that, the UK(London/westminster) has bailed us out for the tumbling price of our biggest asset(black gold) and only a brain dead separatist would see independence as a viable option. the next compromising begging bowl we scots will have to go crawling to Westminster with might have a lot worse consiquences than our previous capitulating act of union. Is that what you are hoping for? Disgraceful opinion (IMO). Tick Tock. Get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Keep fighting that fight aussieh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 It's not a indy debate until the Mackerel has landed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Top of Group E with three wins and a draw so far... Wings 46% overall Also Indy is now 2/5 favourite with the bookies. Wings Over Scotland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie1874 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I look forward to unionist infested Question Time in Glasgow tonight. Should be a treat. In the city that voted for independence but thankfully the rest of country had sense. If there is a Second vote will the Nats be able to answer any questions this time on currency / how we finance ourselves or will they have the same forward planning as last time and those who led the Brexit campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I'm hopeful they take a sensible, fresh approach to the currency question. There's no reason to retain Sterling. Peg a Pound Scots to the dollar and avoid currency flotation. Allow the government to print money, rather than having money issued as debt--and therefore owing interest from day one--by private banks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irufushi Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 It's not a indy debate until the Mackerel has landed! Hold!!!!!!! He'll be along shortly..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Independent Scotland but part of EU? Not really independence is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Hold!!!!!!! He'll be along shortly..... He will just be tidying up his shite from his Holyrood campsite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irufushi Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 He will just be tidying up his shite from his Holyrood campsite. :rofl: Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Independent Scotland but part of EU? Not really independence is it? Still bossed by the Bank of England too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 A wee poll says 52.5% of Scotland's electorate would rather be part of an Independent Scotland either inside or outside of the EU, than be part of a Brexit UK. Mintit Good news. Thanks for the positive posting Aussie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scallywag Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 https://stv.tv/news/politics/1360183-brexit-a-golden-opportunity-for-an-independent-scotland/ Sir Nicholas Macpherson seems to have changed his views. A very good new week for nats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Independent Scotland but part of EU? Not really independence is it? Yeah coz there's no independent countries in the EU that are sovereign over their own affairs is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaths17 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I think you will find that Scotland voted to remain in one trading market (UK) so it could remain in the other (EU)...Which was followed by it voting to remain in one (EU) but then being dragged out of it by rUK which was a key referendum statement (to stay in the EU you must stay in the UK - yet another lie). The rUK wants to leave its biggest trading partner and that doesn't seem to be an issue with the unionists but when there's any suggestion that Scots want to move on then they are 'not really using their brains again'. Hypocrisy is OK if you're into the UK it seems. no..no..no.......your just making that up in your deluded head. I voted to stay part of the UK...warts n all not this separatist made up crap. there was later in time another vote on a different subject, the 2 were never Siamese twinned as you have made up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I can GAURANTEE not one person who voted in the Scottish ref had the European common market in any part of their thought process. All the yes voters claiming they are hard done by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 When I saw the thread title I thought you were boasting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaths17 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I'm hopeful they take a sensible, fresh approach to the currency question. There's no reason to retain Sterling. Peg a Pound Scots to the dollar and avoid currency flotation. Allow the government to print money, rather than having money issued as debt--and therefore owing interest from day one--by private banks. it canny be anymore a cluster **** than the last time. fat alex, we'll use sterling.......Westminster, you want freedom, get your own cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaths17 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Yeah coz there's no independent countries in the EU that are sovereign over their own affairs is there? did that huge "white paper" fall on your head today ? which country in the EU runs their own affairs ? independence............self-government, self-rule, home rule, self-legislation, self-determination, sovereignty, autonomy, non-alignment, freedom, liberty which part of that do the EU allow ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 no..no..no.......your just making that up in your deluded head. I voted to stay part of the UK...warts n all not this separatist made up crap. there was later in time another vote on a different subject, the 2 were never Siamese twinned as you have made up Maybe a personal choice for you but a key selling point for the No campaign during the referendum was that the only way that Scotland would maintain/guarantee it's 'EU membership' was as part of a United Kingdom. Are you saying that wasn't the case? Of course it was. & the Scotland voted to maintain that in a second referendum AGAIN. & now look where we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasselhoff Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 https://stv.tv/news/politics/1360183-brexit-a-golden-opportunity-for-an-independent-scotland/ Sir Nicholas Macpherson seems to have changed his views. A very good new week for nats. Love how Nats claim to see the truth in news articles and ignore the waffle yet continuously refer to links from ages ago, last July in this case. A classic example of this is the number of people who link to a Business for Scotland 2014 article (before oil revenue crash) stating that an Indy Scotland would have been ?8bn better off now. The direction of travel in polls is not looking good for Yes. Simple analysis of the data of all polls show a clear trend line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Murray Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Maybe a personal choice for you but a key selling point for the No campaign during the referendum was that the only way that Scotland would maintain/guarantee it's 'EU membership' was as part of a United Kingdom. Are you saying that wasn't the case? Of course it was. & the Scotland voted to maintain that in a second referendum AGAIN. & now look where we are. Their own bible (white paper) ?[They?ve] conveniently side-stepped the fact that the EU Referendum was a UK-wide vote - something that the Scottish Government acknowledged in their own White Paper for independence where on page 210 it states ?if we remain part of the UK, a referendum on future membership of the EU could see Scotland taken out of the EU against the wishes of the people?.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Their own bible (white paper) ?[They?ve] conveniently side-stepped the fact that the EU Referendum was a UK-wide vote - something that the Scottish Government acknowledged in their own White Paper for independence where on page 210 it states ?if we remain part of the UK, a referendum on future membership of the EU could see Scotland taken out of the EU against the wishes of the people?.? Wasn't that the YES campaign saying that voting NO could mean leaving the EU, in spite of what Better Together were saying. I.e. Better Together were talking peeeash! (disclaimer: obviously both sides spouted pish!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Murray Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Wasn't that the YES campaign saying that voting NO could mean leaving the EU, in spite of what Better Together were saying. I.e. Better Together were talking peeeash! (disclaimer: obviously both sides spouted pish!) Yes, as is stated, it was in the white paper that a vote to remain in the UK could be a vote to leave the EU in any future European referendum. At the time, in 2014, a vote to remain part of the UK was the only certainty of remaining in the EU, as an Independent Scotland would have been out of rUK and also out of the EU. A week is a long time in politics though, never mind a couple of years, and things change but, here we are now, having voted as the UK to depart the European Union and, as has been shown since the Brexit vote, there has been no considerable desire for another Indyref, no matter what wings over Scotland say's. And yes, absolute peeesh and alt truths being spouted from all sides! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Oh look, the actual poll actually shows support for Indy still trailing.... http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/poll-backing-for-independent-scotland-in-or-out-of-eu-1-4367975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Wasn't that the YES campaign saying that voting NO could mean leaving the EU, in spite of what Better Together were saying. I.e. Better Together were talking peeeash! (disclaimer: obviously both sides spouted pish!) That's how I saw it and the reason I voted yes. I was convinced Brexit would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 It's not a indy debate until the Mackerel has landed! Hold!!!!!!! He'll be along shortly..... I'm just going to sit by the sidelines and watch the Yoonys cack their pants on here till the inevitable day. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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