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Just now, Space Mackerel said:

 

My mate picked up something in Colinton Mains for something like that, granted it needed gutted top to bottom.

 

Interests rates are pretty low and a good mortgage advisor is the best person to ask for that.

Well done your mate.

 

Sticky plasters are not the answer.

 

Look it's up to you but whoever holds office should be open to legitimate criticism.

I've praised the SNP for a lot.

 

Housing is perhaps the most important issue affecting all four nations.

I'd like Scotland to do the right thing.

 

 

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Just now, Space Mackerel said:

 

No jake, I talk to people who control millions of pounds for property repairs in local authorities. I'm not a personal finance expert. Thats your own domain.

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If I'm a personal finance expert we are all feked .

I'm away see ye later.

Stop always towing the party line .

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2 minutes ago, jake said:

Well done your mate.

 

Sticky plasters are not the answer.

 

Look it's up to you but whoever holds office should be open to legitimate criticism.

I've praised the SNP for a lot.

 

Housing is perhaps the most important issue affecting all four nations.

I'd like Scotland to do the right thing.

 

 

 

You should join a party, maybe the SNP and try to influence policy then?

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19 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

You should join a party, maybe the SNP and try to influence policy then?

Prefer to bitch on kickback mate.

 

I know I know.

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1 hour ago, frankblack said:

 

Sounds like North Korea is your ideal kind of society with censorship of the free press and government produced propoganda.

We have a fair and balanced media? Do you honestly and I mean, honestly believe that? How do people choose a party to vote for, what influences them? I've not met a person yet that's read a party manifesto. Nothing to do with N Korea. 

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On 16/12/2019 at 16:16, frankblack said:

 

Cult of Sturgeon mindset.

 

Voting for independence with a party that is deliberately avoiding giving answers on how they plan to implement independence is mind numbingly stupid.

 

I voted for the SNP in 2014 with the belief that they had done their research with their white paper.  That was a complete load of bollocks proven when the oil price crashed within months.

 

Knock yourself out - just don't criticise anyone who voted for Brexit if you can't truly say that the SNP have given the full facts and negatives of independence.

 

I'd rather remain part of the UK than put any faith in a separatist party who are less than honest on the damage their policies will cause.

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57 minutes ago, jake said:

Yes because old people have no experience of lying politicians or media manipulation.

 

How do you get your information?

 

Is it only old people who disagree with you who you want to die?

 

 

I used to vote Labour as I believed them by watching the news and listening to my Dad. I changed my opinion when I realised we were being lied to. Old folk are mostly set in their ways and most are not for changing. My father in law buys the Daily Mail is an ex cop and liked Thatcher. 

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4 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Copied and and pasted from some SNP blog no doubt.

 

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Another blooper from frank 😕

 

https://www.eaglebrae.co.uk/news/amazing-loch-ness-facts/

 

The most notable bit of trivia is the Loch’s volume of water. While Loch Ness is only second on the podium behind Loch Morar for the deepest body of fresh water in the UK, and again second behind Loch Lomond for the greatest surface area of fresh water It thrashes the competition when it comes to which holds the most volume of water!

Loch Ness holds an estimated 263 billion cubic feet of water, which is more than all the water in all the lakes, rivers and reservoirs in the whole of England and Wales combined! Loch Ness’s deepest points are over 800ft deep which is twice the average depth of the North Sea.

Being some 37 km long it means the volume is sufficient for every single person on earth to fit inside the loch 10 times over. So the next time you’re sat in one of the log cabins near Loch Ness admiring the view and you’re disappointed not to see Nessie, just remember you are already looking at something incredible – a lot of water!

 

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1 minute ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Another blooper from frank 😕

 

https://www.eaglebrae.co.uk/news/amazing-loch-ness-facts/

 

Loch Ness holds an estimated 263 billion cubic feet of water, which is more than all the water in all the lakes, rivers and reservoirs in the whole of England and Wales combined! Loch Ness’s deepest points are over 800ft deep which is twice the average depth of the North Sea.

 

And the relevance of that answer is?

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1 minute ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Another blooper from frank 😕

 

https://www.eaglebrae.co.uk/news/amazing-loch-ness-facts/

 

Loch Ness holds an estimated 263 billion cubic feet of water, which is more than all the water in all the lakes, rivers and reservoirs in the whole of England and Wales combined! Loch Ness’s deepest points are over 800ft deep which is twice the average depth of the North Sea.

 

England have less than 10 years supply of water left and are reliant on getting supplies from Scotland as they are with Power to the North of England.

 

That is a fact not even Boris would lie about.

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Just now, frankblack said:

 

And the relevance of that answer is?

 

6 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Copied and and pasted from some SNP blog no doubt.

 

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Just now, frankblack said:

 

And the relevance of that answer is?

 

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2 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

I used to vote Labour as I believed them by watching the news and listening to my Dad. I changed my opinion when I realised we were being lied to. Old folk are mostly set in their ways and most are not for changing. My father in law buys the Daily Mail is an ex cop and liked Thatcher. 

Think we in general as Scots are Labour minded (bit of a crap term).

Scots were not always though .

We were a conservative nation small c.

When you think of how strong Labour were in Scotland I think people do feel the same way you do.

Taking the steps to go full independent does scare many.

I dont think it's a case of being gullible.

If theres anyone who doesnt trust the media in general it's me.

It's been a monumental shift in politics up here to who were once labelled tartan tories with good reason.

 

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Just now, wavydavy said:

 

England have less than 10 years supply of water left and are reliant on getting supplies from Scotland as they are with Power to the North of England.

 

That is a fact not even Boris would lie about.

 

They seem to have droughts down there quite often, I seen it on the news loads.

 

maybe they might get it from France though fter they leave the EU?

 

Who needs water anyways...?

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7 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Copied and and pasted from some SNP blog no doubt.

 

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No you are 100% wrong it is actually from Business for Scotland which is a group that help promote Scottish Business.

 

BfS campaigns for the business and economic policies that will allow our members’ businesses to thrive and bring greater prosperity to Scotland.  We publish articles that influence, provide expert opinion, evidence and advice to both the Scottish and UK Parliaments, we also organise networking events, conferences and dinners, and regularly produce impactful and unique research reports.

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Just now, Space Mackerel said:

 

They seem to have droughts down there quite often, I seen it on the news loads.

 

maybe they might get it from France though fter they leave the EU?

 

Who needs water anyways...?

 

They seem to have more flooding than droughts in recent years.

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Just now, frankblack said:

 

They seem to have more flooding than droughts in recent years.

 

Have you ever drunk flood water? or tried to retain it for drinking?

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1 minute ago, wavydavy said:

 

No you are 100% wrong it is actually from Business for Scotland which is a group that help promote Scottish Business.

 

BfS campaigns for the business and economic policies that will allow our members’ businesses to thrive and bring greater prosperity to Scotland.  We publish articles that influence, provide expert opinion, evidence and advice to both the Scottish and UK Parliaments, we also organise networking events, conferences and dinners, and regularly produce impactful and unique research reports.

 

Statistics can be used to represent whatever you want if given out of context and excluding whatever doesn't fit your argument.

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2 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Have you ever drunk flood water? or tried to retain it for drinking?

 

Irrelevant - I just countered Spacey's point that England is struggling with droughts.

 

What water shortages did England have last year that caused them to import water from elsewhere?

 

More to the point, if water is a resource Scotland can export, what would it cost to get it down to Kent?

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1 minute ago, frankblack said:

 

Statistics can be used to represent whatever you want if given out of context and excluding whatever doesn't fit your argument.

 

You should know all about that then given the replies you give rather than try and discuss.

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1 minute ago, frankblack said:

 

Statistics can be used to represent whatever you want if given out of context and excluding whatever doesn't fit your argument.

 

ANOTHER incredible post from frank who has not used a fact or stat on this thread.

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1 minute ago, frankblack said:

 

Irrelevant - I just countered Spacey's point that England is struggling with droughts.

 

What water shortages did England have last year that caused them to import water from elsewhere?

 

More mental knots frank?

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/environment/england-run-out-of-water-25-years-scotland-is-the-answer-505268

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3 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

And the relevance of that answer is?

Water in the not so distant future will be the source of conflict.

Might even see a regime change in Scotland much like we see now for other resources.

I dont think the SNP get the credit they deserve for halting fracking.

We do need to protect the resource of water .

I'm not sure if we can fully under devolvement.

And I trust one thing and that's the greed that will come from London regarding water.

Does anyone know what powers our current situation has over Scotlands water?

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1 minute ago, frankblack said:

 

Irrelevant - I just countered Spacey's point that England is struggling with droughts.

 

What water shortages did England have last year that caused them to import water from elsewhere?

 

Who said anything about last year? They do not have enough water to continue to support the current and future demands and it's estimated they have about 10 years supply.

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1 minute ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

ANOTHER incredible post from frank who has not used a fact or stat on this thread.

 

No he can't figure out how to doctor the facts to suit his argument.

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Just now, wavydavy said:

 

Who said anything about last year? They do not have enough water to continue to support the current and future demands and it's estimated they have about 10 years supply.

 

And you think it is cost effective to export it down to somewhere like Kent? Or perhaps build their own facilities?

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1 minute ago, wavydavy said:

 

No he can't figure out how to doctor the facts to suit his argument.

 

His arguments get toasted every time.

Theyre not really arguments, its just the way he 'feels' 😕

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1 minute ago, wavydavy said:

 

No he can't figure out how to doctor the facts to suit his argument.

 

Getting touchy that your argument doesn't hold water?

 

I can't be arsed posting random crap from untrustworthy sites like some on here - it proves nothing, but its easy to pick apart the arguments from the Nationalists on here.

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22 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Copied and and pasted from some SNP blog no doubt.

 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-49838304

 

Mr Ewing said: "We have one of the largest white fish markets in Europe in Peterhead, our boats catch 8% of the total EU landings and the industry turnover exceeds £500m each year.

"Much of that money is the lifeblood of some our most vulnerable coastal communities, and so what these statistics tell us is very important.

"It's therefore encouraging to see the total value of landings increase - although the story isn't positive across the board, with the total shellfish tonnage dropping again."

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2 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

And you think it is cost effective to export it down to somewhere like Kent? Or perhaps build their own facilities?

 

Who said anything about piping water to Kent?  You are now saying they build "their own facilities" as if you are suddenly not one of them.

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2 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Getting touchy that your argument doesn't hold water?

 

I can't be arsed posting random crap from untrustworthy sites like some on here - it proves nothing, but its easy to pick apart the arguments from the Nationalists on here.

 

Looks like the iNews and the BBC are fake now 😕

 

 

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2 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Getting touchy that your argument doesn't hold water?

 

I can't be arsed posting random crap from untrustworthy sites like some on here - it proves nothing, but its easy to pick apart the arguments from the Nationalists on here.

 

You are being idiotic if you are really suggesting that facts extracted from the Business for Scotland website are not relaible.

 

This is a well respected Scottish Enterprsie which helps Entrepreneurs throughout the country develop and promote their businesses and ideas.

 

Run along now if you can't be arsed.

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3 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Looks like the iNews and the BBC are fake now 😕

 

 

 

Mind you a fair bit of BBC is.

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Just now, wavydavy said:

 

Mind you a fair bit of BBC is.

 

State propaganda, not watched it in years. Cancelled my license ages ago.

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4 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Who said anything about piping water to Kent?  You are now saying they build "their own facilities" as if you are suddenly not one of them.

 

You are insisting that England can't solve their own projected water shortages, and implying that they would be dependant on Scotland.

 

The reverse argument can be used on energy as Scotland is going to run out of nuclear power stations in the not too distant future and may have to import energy from England, where they are investing.

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6 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Looks like the iNews and the BBC are fake now 😕

 

 

 

Never heard of iNews before, and I didn't reply to your BBC post.

 

You bash on with whatever point you think you made amongst your personal abuse.  I'm off for a curry. 👍

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19 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Have you ever drunk flood water? or tried to retain it for drinking?

Tbf there is technology that can .

I think I'm right in saying it's already happening in one of the middle east countries with sea water?

Dont know what the cost would be though and going on experience I'd say any future government in Westminster would likely just use Scotlands.

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Just now, frankblack said:

 

Never heard of iNews before, and I didn't reply to your BBC post.

 

You bash on with whatever point you think you made amongst your personal abuse.  I'm off for a curry. 👍

 

frank getting the personal abuse narrative going as he ties himself up in knots again.

 

:jj_facepalm:

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2 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

Import energy, in Scotland, for 5.5 million people :notsure:

 

Spacey would let the lights go out in an independent Scotland when the wind isn't blowing.

 

:cornette:

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1 minute ago, frankblack said:

 

You are insisting that England can't solve their own projected water shortages, and implying that they would be dependant on Scotland.

 

The reverse argument can be used on energy as Scotland is going to run out of nuclear power stations in the not too distant future and may have to import energy from England, where they are investing.

 

Utter bollocks.  So you believe some figures but only the ones you like.

 

For these reasons, renewable energy markets offer a huge economic opportunity for Scotland. Currently the renewables industry contributes £5.9 billion to Scotland’s economy and employs more than 21,400 people. Exports of renewable electricity are at their highest since 2017.

 

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1 minute ago, frankblack said:

 

Spacey would let the lights go out in an independent Scotland when the wind isn't blowing.

 

:cornette:

 

Scottish Independence means we won't be able to charge our mobile phones readers. 😕

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1 hour ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

https://inews.co.uk/news/scotland/nicola-sturgeon-scottish-independence-2020-historic-year-1352143

 

Please note the article was an extract from an interview in 2019. The First Minister, who has called for indyref2to be held in the second half of next year in the wake of the UK's departure from the EU, said her government would "work to ensure" it took place.

 

 

Readers should also note that the so-called 'promise' I asked Ainsley to verify was merely the journalist's interpretation of what Sturgeon said viz (presuming the text quoted in the article is accurate)

 

"And we will work to ensure that people in Scotland have the chance to determine our own future – by deciding whether we wish to become an independent country."

 

By my reading 'work to ensure' does not equate to 'promise'.

 

Then again, I'm not straw-clutchingly trying - and failing - to prove some point.

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1 hour ago, jake said:

Think we in general as Scots are Labour minded (bit of a crap term).

Scots were not always though .

We were a conservative nation small c.

When you think of how strong Labour were in Scotland I think people do feel the same way you do.

Taking the steps to go full independent does scare many.

I dont think it's a case of being gullible.

If theres anyone who doesnt trust the media in general it's me.

It's been a monumental shift in politics up here to who were once labelled tartan tories with good reason.

 

I would say I was small c Scottish Conservative. Not that idiot Ruth Davidson type as she's a Brit loon. More of an Adam Smith type. I believe in wealth recreation and tax fairness but also the need to look after the people less fortunate. 

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10 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

I would say I was small c Scottish Conservative. Not that idiot Ruth Davidson type as she's a Brit loon. More of an Adam Smith type. I believe in wealth recreation and tax fairness but also the need to look after the people less fortunate. 

There was a very good article by the adam smith institute that put forward the economic case for independence.

 

Answered the currency question and the lack of a central bank head on.

Not sure its palatable for the Scottish electorate.

In fact it said that Scotland would undoubtedly prosper.

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23 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

I would say I was small c Scottish Conservative. Not that idiot Ruth Davidson type as she's a Brit loon. More of an Adam Smith type. I believe in wealth recreation and tax fairness but also the need to look after the people less fortunate. 

Tbh I'm more of a socialist I suppose.

But try going down that route after indy and we would get a doing.

Anyway tried looking for the Adam Smith thing in full.

Found this instead

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/aug/21/scottish-independence-pound-thinktank-thrive-currency

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