flecktimus Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Tory UK Gov refused to devolve to @CrownEstateScot the @TheCrownEstate share in Fort Kinnaird Retail Park in Edinburgh - now we know why - just sold for £167.3m. Scotland presumably not getting a penny despite Scottish asset. Absolute scandal. A huge sum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 I see Douglas Ross encouraged members of the SNP to name powers being ‘grabbed’ by Westminster today. Anyone know what their response was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Phil Dunphy said: I see Douglas Ross encouraged members of the SNP to name powers being ‘grabbed’ by Westminster today. Anyone know what their response was? Saw it, was brilliant. The collective that is the SNP at Westminster couldnt answer, wish he had shown them red card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 29 minutes ago, flecktimus said: Tory UK Gov refused to devolve to @CrownEstateScot the @TheCrownEstate share in Fort Kinnaird Retail Park in Edinburgh - now we know why - just sold for £167.3m. Scotland presumably not getting a penny despite Scottish asset. Absolute scandal. A huge sum. Wonder how much investment the Crown Estate made at Kinnaird. Its good to post the full facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasselhoff Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Fracking ban isn't a fracking ban. Power grab isn't a power grab either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 1 hour ago, jambo lodge said: Saw it, was brilliant. The collective that is the SNP at Westminster couldnt answer, wish he had shown them red card. So they never actually responded to his open question? Hm, seems odd when they staged a walk out over the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 4 hours ago, The Continental Op said: Strictly speaking it delivers a higher proportion per head of all public spending increases. It does not preserve the overall Scotland/UK balance, as it is designed to gradually bring about convergence with average UK spending. Don't understand your post but given that it has been in place since 1978 increases will account for the vast bulk of current expenditure. Don't think a convergence policy is in place but happy to hear differently. Read the link below for info about Barnett. Notice it says Scotland has a 16% per head advantage over England and does 'spectacularly well' out of it https://news.sky.com/story/the-barnett-formula-explained-10389582 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 What was all this chat on here about needing Royal Navy orders? https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/12907/worlds-first-hydrogen-powered-ferry-be-built-scotland-eu-funding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 This was the shipyard that the SG help save with investment and grants. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-34900369 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 15 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: This was the shipyard that the SG help save with investment and grants. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-34900369 Cant believe anything the BBC says? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 4 hours ago, Phil Dunphy said: I see Douglas Ross encouraged members of the SNP to name powers being ‘grabbed’ by Westminster today. Anyone know what their response was? Is this still available on VAR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 5 hours ago, Dannie Boy said: Energy minister Paul Wheelhouse announced in October that fracking was “effectively banned” as the government unveiled the results of a four-month consultation that found overwhelming opposition to the process. Nicola Sturgeon later told MSPs: “Fracking is banned in Scotland – end of story.” Fracking has not been banned in Scotland despite “mistaken” statements from Nicola Sturgeon and her government suggesting it had been, the Court of Session has said. A judge ruled that unconventional oil and gas extraction has not been outlawed in Scotland when considering a bid by petrochemical giants Ineos to start fracking in Scotland. At the Court of Session, Lord Pentland rejected Ineos’s attempt to overturn the Scottish Government’s decision to outlaw fracking on the grounds that a ban wasn’t actually in place. Lies or incompetence from the SNP either way Sturgeon needs to resign. Misleading business and the electorate is inexcusable. Eh? Resign for what? Protecting what's left of the environment. While we can I'd hope the SNP would be brave and legislate . Unfortunately if ever a trade deal such as TTIP came into force companies like INEOS would be able to sue democratically elected governments who reflect the overwhelming public opinion on this. Have a go at Sturgeon but on this you are a mile away. Also I'd remind those nationalists that the EU has similar rules which put business first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 31 minutes ago, jake said: Eh? Resign for what? Protecting what's left of the environment. While we can I'd hope the SNP would be brave and legislate . Unfortunately if ever a trade deal such as TTIP came into force companies like INEOS would be able to sue democratically elected governments who reflect the overwhelming public opinion on this. Have a go at Sturgeon but on this you are a mile away. Also I'd remind those nationalists that the EU has similar rules which put business first. Misleading the electorate, business and parliament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 13 hours ago, Phil Dunphy said: I see Douglas Ross encouraged members of the SNP to name powers being ‘grabbed’ by Westminster today. Anyone know what their response was? They didn't have one. Embarrassment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Am I right in saying that even though there isn’t an actual fracking ban because of this moratorium or whatever as long as the snp are in power they can’t frack? People don’t think that it’s actually very clever no? People want Sturgeon to resign for protecting our environment? Aye? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Am I right in saying that even though there isn’t an actual fracking ban because of this moratorium or whatever as long as the snp are in power they can’t frack? People don’t think that it’s actually very clever no? People want Sturgeon to resign for protecting our environment? Aye? I believe the U.K. government sold them licenses to frack before the “ban” was put in inplace by Holyrood. Ineos aren’t happy hence why they’re making a big hoo ha about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, jambo lodge said: Wonder how much investment the Crown Estate made at Kinnaird. Its good to post the full facts. When you use the word 'presumably' in your evidence you are not posting the full facts just speculation. Edited June 20, 2018 by jambos are go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 15 hours ago, flecktimus said: Tory UK Gov refused to devolve to @CrownEstateScot the @TheCrownEstate share in Fort Kinnaird Retail Park in Edinburgh - now we know why - just sold for £167.3m. Scotland presumably not getting a penny despite Scottish asset. Absolute scandal. A huge sum. The internet is a valuable source of information, if you bother yourself to look. http://www.crownestatescotland.com/ All our revenue profit goes to Scottish Government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said: They didn't have one. Embarrassment. So they staged a walkout over a power grab that they can’t give us any details on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 12 hours ago, Space Mackerel said: What was all this chat on here about needing Royal Navy orders? https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/12907/worlds-first-hydrogen-powered-ferry-be-built-scotland-eu-funding Old news but the bigger question is how orders that had to go to open tender throughout the EU magically managed to find themselves placed within Scotland. I’m sure it had nothing to do with the yard being rescued, to much razzmatazz, by Clyde Blowers’ Jim McColl (at the time an SNP supporter) a few weeks before the referendum. A rescue that would have been unnecessary if Fergusons had been given a fair share in earlier years when the Scottish Government had its own vessels built in Poland and Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: So they staged a walkout over a power grab that they can’t give us any details on? Maybe they just want to keep it a secret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: So they staged a walkout over a power grab that they can’t give us any details on? They have been back to the training ground practising for the next strop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said: They have been back to the training ground practising for the next strop. That’s like something Tripper would post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said: Maybe they just want to keep it a secret. Seems legit. They go about their business in such a dignified and subtle manner as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: Seems legit. They go about their business in such a dignified and subtle manner as well. Probably don't want to trouble their cult following with tricky political shit until they have their freedom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said: Probably don't want to trouble their cult following with tricky political shit until they have their freedom. That’s probably it. Imagine if they gave their following any actual information other than “Tories bad, grrrrr”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Verhofstadt tells SNP that Leave means Leave for the entire U.K. and there can be no (Joanna) Cherry picking of bits to be able to stay or get favourable treatment. Maybe next time they can send Blackford to verbally abuse him. That’ll teach him. https://www.scotsman.com/news/guy-verhofstadt-scotland-obliged-to-follow-brexit-decision-1-4757296 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said: Verhofstadt tells SNP that Leave means Leave for the entire U.K. and there can be no (Joanna) Cherry picking of bits to be able to stay or get favourable treatment. Maybe next time they can send Blackford to verbally abuse him. That’ll teach him. https://www.scotsman.com/news/guy-verhofstadt-scotland-obliged-to-follow-brexit-decision-1-4757296 Not sure anyone was under the impression that Scotland could? Also, in a roundabout way, shows the EU's hand in reference to Northern Ireland. No deal here we come! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said: Verhofstadt tells SNP that Leave means Leave for the entire U.K. and there can be no (Joanna) Cherry picking of bits to be able to stay or get favourable treatment. Maybe next time they can send Blackford to verbally abuse him. That’ll teach him. https://www.scotsman.com/news/guy-verhofstadt-scotland-obliged-to-follow-brexit-decision-1-4757296 Oh did Mr Blackford be a bad man in the house of commons? Deary me grow up man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Oh did Mr Blackford be a bad man in the house of commons? Deary me grow up man He is a buffoon and a bully. The general view is that he went beyond the bounds of acceptable behaviour on Monday. Playing the man and not the ball (only to be expected of a Hibee) as they knew there was no real point in the debate they created a strop about last week. For God’s sake, they can’t even list the powers they are getting all steamed up about. It is simple “maskirova” but I doubt you will see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 31 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Oh did Mr Blackford be a bad man in the house of commons? Deary me grow up man You might know, what powers are we in danger of losing with this legislation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Murray Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Thunderstruck said: Old news but the bigger question is how orders that had to go to open tender throughout the EU magically managed to find themselves placed within Scotland. I’m sure it had nothing to do with the yard being rescued, to much razzmatazz, by Clyde Blowers’ Jim McColl (at the time an SNP supporter) a few weeks before the referendum. A rescue that would have been unnecessary if Fergusons had been given a fair share in earlier years when the Scottish Government had its own vessels built in Poland and Germany. Guaranteed work for the Clyde workforce for at least the next two decades, would be under threat from an Independent Scotland as "Whether the Treasury would allow billions of pounds to be spent on the Type 26 in 'foreign' yards, is very doubtful". https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/scottish-nationalism-continues-to-cast-a-shadow-over-the-royal-navy/ Edited June 20, 2018 by Adam Murray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 7 hours ago, jack D and coke said: That’s like something Tripper would post You found one of these powers the wicked Tories are stealing from the Poundworld Parliament yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Trapper John McIntyre said: You found one of these powers the wicked Tories are stealing from the Poundworld Parliament yet? Why co you want your life governed from somewhere 400 odd miles away in another country by a government the majority here by a long way didn’t vote for? Youre quite a strange laddie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Why co you want your life governed from somewhere 400 odd miles away in another country by a government the majority here by a long way didn’t vote for? Youre quite a strange laddie. What other country? I live in the United Kingdom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 10 hours ago, Space Mackerel said: Why co you want your life governed from somewhere 400 odd miles away in another country by a government the majority here by a long way didn’t vote for? Youre quite a strange laddie. Has anyone told us what powers the Tories are trying to take away from Scotland yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 14 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: Has anyone told us what powers the Tories are trying to take away from Scotland yet? Nope, nothing but avoidance and deflection, you'd almost think some on here were SNP MP's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 25 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: Has anyone told us what powers the Tories are trying to take away from Scotland yet? Im guessing you’ll be ****** a hoop when the U.K. government starts fracking in your back yard and you start chomping on mutated plants? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 36 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Im guessing you’ll be ****** a hoop when the U.K. government starts fracking in your back yard and you start chomping on mutated plants? Wait until Sir Jim decides to close Grangemouth because importing shale products from the US is too expensive. I imagine we will then find out what Sturgeon’s ban is made of. Maybe you can now answer this question: If extracting Shale gas was identified as a vital part of the post-independence Scottish economy, would your anti-fracking stance tell you that independence wouldn’t be worth it? A simple yes/no will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff the Mince Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Space Mackerel said: Im guessing you’ll be ****** a hoop when the U.K. government starts fracking in your back yard and you start chomping on mutated plants? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 33 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said: Wait until Sir Jim decides to close Grangemouth because importing shale products from the US is too expensive. I imagine we will then find out what Sturgeon’s ban is made of. Maybe you can now answer this question: If extracting Shale gas was identified as a vital part of the post-independence Scottish economy, would your anti-fracking stance tell you that independence wouldn’t be worth it? A simple yes/no will be fine. Has he ever actually answered any question? It'll be some copy and paste shite from Wings over Scotland or an amusing GIF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 24 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said: Has he ever actually answered any question? It'll be some copy and paste shite from Wings over Scotland or an amusing GIF. Not holding my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Space Mackerel said: Im guessing you’ll be ****** a hoop when the U.K. government starts fracking in your back yard and you start chomping on mutated plants? I’ll be happy if you can tell me what powers the Tories are trying to grab away from Holyrood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Dawnrazor said: Nope, nothing but avoidance and deflection, you'd almost think some on here were SNP MP's. Ah, to be fair. He joined a Hearts messageboard to talk about politics because none of his “real life” pals want to talk to him about it. It’s a bit of a shame for him really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: I’ll be happy if you can tell me what powers the Tories are trying to grab away from Holyrood. What like fishing, fracking, environment & such like? Anyway, you lot dont get to ask questions anymore (said so pn the other thread). Will wokers rights be maintained after Brexit? Edited June 21, 2018 by Pans Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: What like fishing, fracking, environment & such like? Anyway, you lot dont get to ask questions anymore (said so pn the other thread). Will wokers rights be maintained after Brexit? You lot I stand by my grow up point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: What like fishing, fracking, environment & such like? Anyway, you lot dont get to ask questions anymore (said so pn the other thread). Will wokers rights be maintained after Brexit? What specific rights are Scotland going to lose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 18 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: What specific rights are Scotland going to lose? Will the NHS be sold off bit by bit by the Tories? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: You lot I stand by my grow up point Will financial institutions move en-masse to the EU after Brexit thus creating tens of thousands of job losses in Edinburgh plus, will Standard Life HQ move from Edinburgh??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: Will the NHS be sold off bit by bit by the Tories? The SNP are currently in charge of the NHS in Scotland and are increasing the amount of privatisation year on year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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